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sOphia
Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 2:00am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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When the book refers to cilantro as a superfood and coriander as an avoid does it mean the fresh herb vs the ground seed?  Over here we call both the fresh plant and the seed 'coriander'.
Also not sure how the book can say 'curry' is a superfood when most curry powders have coriander in them  
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coriander is the seed
cilantro is the herb

curry can be made using only compliant spices


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I got some important healing from btd,can never discount how much includin meat & restricting meat healed my metabolism.  But I got to a certain point where other issues were adressed but not entirely....gtd is the next stage as far as I can tell.  Sure for a lot of years I thought dairy was a problem.  Now I get that its a whole metabolic syndrom having to do with genes that have starvation imprints on them.  The main issue is to eat enough of the right food to keep my insulin in check.  Also though I love to exercise overexercising & undereating has been an ongoing 20 year issue.  Just exercising a lot isn't the answer.  I love btd, very grateful for how much it helped me but gtd is better.  For me, anyway.
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Hello,

I am experiencing conflicting information regarding what genotype I am.

I have used 3 calculators with varying results. I am an O negative, my torso is longer, my lower leg is longer & index fingers longer.

1) Basic Calculator- I circled Row 4- I have four basic matches to strength test: 2,4,5 & 6. I strength test them and Explorer wins with 22 points and Gatherer has the lowest with 3 points. "Circle your Genotype with the highest score" "Congratulations, you've discovered your genotype!" So I am an Explorer.

2) Intermediate Calculator- I check Row 4 (based on what I did on Basic Calculator). I am an O negative blood type, I circle Row 16 which has two numbers: 2 & 4*. I am to write the number without the asterisk (which is 2). The calculator says that is my Genotype- Gatherer.

What??

So here is my issue: with the Basic Calculator, I test very high for Explorer (22 points) so based on that info I am an Explorer. But in the Intermediate Calculator I am a Gatherer but test the lowest for that genotype with a measly 3 points. I'm thin & tall at 5 ft. 9 in. and I used to model on the runways in Europe. I am an ecto-mesomorph and have a square jaw; with nothing related to Gatherer.

So I would like clarification on the Strength Testing. The book clearly says that strength testing will let you know how much of that genotype you express. It is a "measurement of the effects that your genotype exerts in your body." Pg. 97
However the Basic Calculator uses the Strength Testing to see how many points you have and the highest wins and that's your genotype. This is clearly conflicting.

So if I am a Gatherer with 3 points on the strength test does this mean that I barely express any qualities of that genotype? Or does it mean that I am not a Gatherer?

Your help would be much appreciated!

Michelle
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^^I'm new to genotype, a lot of people seem to benefit from SWAMI software.  Other than that I would suggest you go with the diet you most closely relate to.  You sound like an Explorer.  I'm guessing but it seems a lot of Gatherers have strong insulin issues.  If you aren't big on sweets or a yoyo dieter you migh t not be a Gatherer.  SWAMI can probably determine.
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Hi Sahara,

I was hoping I wouldn't have to do SWAMI.  I'll need more definitive answers. I'd be so much easier to do the calculators and know now.
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You sound like an Explorer.  You could look over the food lists and decide which one fits you better.  Then follow that dieta while you wait on SWAMI.  
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Hi Sahara,

I was hoping I wouldn't have to do SWAMI.  I'll need more definitive answers. I'd be so much easier to do the calculators and know now.


Ideally you would use the advanced calculator in the back. Sometimes that gives a clear answer even without secretor status.

If that does not give a clear answer, use the intermediate calc as the next best choice.

Ultimately, a more refined and personalized diet is gotten via SWAMI, which looks at things in a little more depth and factors in as much as possible.

Or, you could try the generic Gatherer diet for a whole and see how you do. That is fine too.
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Quoted from sOphia
When the book refers to cilantro as a superfood and coriander as an avoid does it mean the fresh herb vs the ground seed?  Over here we call both the fresh plant and the seed 'coriander'.
Also not sure how the book can say 'curry' is a superfood when most curry powders have coriander in them  


I see it different then Lola, I think curry is a genoharmonic food and is fine as a combination of spices.



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StarPine
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Thanks Lloyd,

The advanced also says I'm a Gatherer. So if I am a Gatherer with 3 points on the strength test does this mean that I barely express any qualities of that genotype? If so, then why be a Gatherer at all?
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Thanks Lloyd,

The advanced also says I'm a Gatherer. So if I am a Gatherer with 3 points on the strength test does this mean that I barely express any qualities of that genotype? If so, then why be a Gatherer at all?

The answer lies on pages 95 - 97...  It says (paraphrased) that adding Genetic information adds significant weight to the stated Genotype...  With the Advanced Calculator, the strength testing is "just for fun" as the genetic information trumps the strength tests...  

If you want to add additional measurements and get a really personalized diet printout, get SWAMI and enter the additional measurements and medical histories...  It will provide the most accurate of any diet available, but is probably not necessary for some time - as the diet per the advanced calculator should provide a great start to a healthier you.


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StarPine
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Thanks ABJoe!

I did not see that explantion on Page 95! So now I see why I got so confused with the Basic Calculator. Well I'm a Gatherer- at least I know now
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Great!  Much success in meeting your health goals!


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Thanks!  
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curry can be made using only compliant spices


by this quote I am actually saying, that we can all make our own curry blend using our compliant spices if there are any avoids in your store bought curry mix

it is entirely our call to make or follow our lifestyle, anyway we like.....nothing is set on stone


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Genotype and Blood type diets are two different programs, and they really can't be compared.  It helps me to remember that they have different goals:

Blood type diet helps us make the best of the bodies that we have inherited, and to be as healthy as possible with the health or illness tendencies that we have.

Genotype diet re-programs our genes to express positive traits that may have been dormant for generations, and to tone down (suppress) traits that may have shown up as disease in our ancestors for generations.  This diet is designed to make deeper changes.


Yaaaaay! ( I hope my pocketbook can say "yay" too, somehow with all the exotic meats listed under my type  


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I hope my pocketbook can say "yay" too, somehow with all the exotic meats listed under my type  


Just because they are there does not mean you have to eat them.

I rarely have any of the "exotic" meats, other than Ostrich.

And I only have the Ostrich when can I find it at less than $7 US  per pound.


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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I am really lost like many people here. I started with the BTD and I didn't notice any difference, really. So, I bought the genotype one and I have found them incompatible in many aspects. I would like to know if I can eat goat cheese for example (which was good in the BTD), tomatoes, soya milk, rice cakes, honey or butter. I am BT 0 and I am a gatherer. What do you think?
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Welcome Yolprica!

You need to decide if you want to follow BTD or  GTD;  it's really hard to combine the two. The best thing is to get a SWAMI, a computer program that computes the ideal diet just for you. However, if you don't want to (or can't) spend the money on that right now, you could simply follow the Gatherer diet and see how you do on it. In that case, you'd ignore the food values in BTD (blood type diet) and only follow the GTD (genotype diet) book.

Goat cheese, rice cakes, and butter are neutral for Gatherers (as well as for Blood Type O)
Tomatoes are a super-beneficial (yet tomato juice is an avoid, so there's some confusion there- generally, raw tomatoes are fine but tomato sauce/paste is questionable.)
Honey is a black dot avoid- it's something to avoid for at least two months, and then eat cautiously afterwards. Agave is neutral, but all sweeteners need to be eaten in moderation (like one teaspoon per day.)

Soy milk is an outright avoid


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Gosh to think I thought I was a Gatherer......   Back in May I had just barely dc'd wheat and was not exercising, really went in to a lot of denial about my issues.  The truth is I burned out on the basic O diet and without support couldn't get myself boosted up to the next point and gave up.  It was a never ending cycle of reintroducing avoids beginning in 2008.  Switching to genotype was probably always the logical next step but I never took it because the book wasn't on the shelf at the store (for some reason many bookstores don't stock it) and I rarely visited the website so got out of the loop.  When I first came on here several months ago I was really thrown by all the SWAMI stuff etc.  The new diet is such an improvement though and makes so much more sense to me.
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So are you on the "book version" of the Hunter diet or do you currently have a SWAMI Sahara?

I did very poorly on the "by the book" Gatherer diet. Too many of the seasonal veggies were black dots and I never "got into the groove" with the Gatherer foods. Plus I increased my dairy intake way too much and got sick from that. I also wasn't fully compliant, because the Gatherer  foods never felt satisfying for me. SWAMI gave me back carrots, sweet potatoes, beets, and winter squashes, which make this livable for me.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I sympathize with the original poster on this somewhat.
Being a newcomer, the Blood type and the Geno Type diets seem contradictory.  

If a food is dogmatically identified as 'toxic' for an 'O' for example, then to say it is not so later is contradictory.
For me, the overall goal of both diets is to "maximize health".  
So I can sympathize with the original post.

Also, I took the test "What Diet is right for you?".   I put three different sets of answers in to test it out.   Every set of answers elected the GenoType diet over the Blood Type diet.   So, I think that they really want the Genotype to replace the BT.
In fact, no matter what answers I put in, I cannot get it to elect the BT diet.   Only if I answer all "no", does it say "too close to call"  and pits the GT equal with the BT.   So, I can't seem to get them to recommend the BT diet at all.

However, I want to reserve judgement and read some more before coming to a conclusion.


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The Blood Type Diet and the Geno Type diet are two separate courses of action; they are not interchangeable. One is not better than the other; it just depends on what the individual wants to achieve.

I started out on the BTD and did very well for 15 years. Then the GTD came out and I switched and did great on that one, even though many of the food ratings changed. I just went with it. Then, later, when I could afford it, I got myself a SWAMI, which is a specific diet tailored to me. I am doing the best of all following my SWAMI.


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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In fact, no matter what answers I put in, I cannot get it to elect the BT diet.   Only if I answer all "no", does it say "too close to call"  and pits the GT equal with the BT.   So, I can't seem to get them to recommend the BT diet at all.


It depend upon what you answer.

If you put that you want to lose weight you are likely to go to the GenoType diet, because that diet considers issues related to weight.

Blood type diet considers how you body reacts to foods. So if you check things like allergies, chemical or environmental sensitivities, skin condition, irritable bowel, headaches, thyroid. You are going to find that the blood type diet is best for you since it is the diet that addresses those conditions most effectively.



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I sympathize with the original poster on this somewhat.
Being a newcomer, the Blood type and the Geno Type diets seem contradictory.  

If a food is dogmatically identified as 'toxic' for an 'O' for example, then to say it is not so later is contradictory.
For me, the overall goal of both diets is to "maximize health".  
So I can sympathize with the original post.

Also, I took the test "What Diet is right for you?".   I put three different sets of answers in to test it out.   Every set of answers elected the GenoType diet over the Blood Type diet.   So, I think that they really want the Genotype to replace the BT.
In fact, no matter what answers I put in, I cannot get it to elect the BT diet.   Only if I answer all "no", does it say "too close to call"  and pits the GT equal with the BT.   So, I can't seem to get them to recommend the BT diet at all..

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It depend upon what you answer.

If you put that you want to lose weight you are likely to go to the GenoType diet, because that diet considers issues related to weight.

Blood type diet considers how you body reacts to foods. So if you check things like allergies, chemical or environmental sensitivities, skin condition, irritable bowel, headaches, thyroid. You are going to find that the blood type diet is best for you since it is the diet that addresses those conditions most effectively.
And if you have both?
I am with Banshaw...Doesn't matter what I put in either...When I originally did the quiz, it came out close between both but now it really doesn't matter what I elect as yes or no, the GTD comes out way ahead? Can you explain that change please?
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