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bizzyboppers
Monday, July 26, 2010, 7:33pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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PS - Looks like your ticker is moving down... Good work!


Thanks. I can feel a difference already.


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Update on son:

WHAM!!!! He hit the floor like a ton of bricks! Yes, my baby boy fainted. At first I thought he was faking, but then he didn't wake up, and didn't wake up. He was out for about 20-30 seconds. . . . He happens to be B+ and measures out to be a Nomad, like DD and I.


Makes me wonder if it's a B thing or a Nomad thing.    I passed out whenever I had needles piercing my skin, for more than 1/2 my life!



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Makes me wonder if it's a B thing or a Nomad thing.    I passed out whenever I had needles piercing my skin, for more than 1/2 my life!


I think the last time he ever got poked was when he was little. Maybe not? I don't remember.  But, he always has been a very woozy boy when it comes to his blood specifically.


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My husband and I have just done the testing from the book.
I came out as mildly positive Gatherer and I'm O+.  Husband doesn't know his blood type so with the other measurement testing he has scored an even 14 for Explorer, Gatherer and Nomad.  He thinks he leans towards Explorer more.
I thought I would be a Gatherer from reading the write up as I tend to a thrifty nature and collect things... as I have already been on the BTD many of the typical Gatherer physical make up parts don't match me as I'm already in shape.
While it's good to have finished the tests I am now feeling like the person who started this thread.  After doing the BTD for at least a year and a half and getting good results I am looking at the foods I have been indulging in thinking they were beneficial and all of a sudden some are poison.  Noone at the start of the thread actually explained that well, the responses are just sort of shrug your shoulders and choose to stick with BTD or not, it's up to me.  But if one takes the viewpoint that Dr D knows what he's talking about, how can he suddenly say I shouldn't be eating prunes and plums that were previously highly beneficial?  What should I believe?  It's enough to make me drop both books to be honest.  Other than that I think I could try and be safe by eating only the foods that both have in common but that would be quite restrictive indeed.
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Did you take "which diet is right" test?  
http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm

The two diets focus on different benefits, so it makes some sense that the foods will be changed...


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Quoted from sOphia
But if one takes the viewpoint that Dr D knows what he's talking about, how can he suddenly say I shouldn't be eating prunes and plums that were previously highly beneficial?  What should I believe?  It's enough to make me drop both books to be honest.  Other than that I think I could try and be safe by eating only the foods that both have in common but that would be quite restrictive indeed.


Two different systems.

Two different methodologies.

No reason to expect that a particular food will be rated the same by the different systems.

Choose one system follow it. Ignore ratings in the system you are not using.



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sOphia
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What you both say makes sense, I hadn't thought of them as different ratings systems.  

ABJoe, I took the test before reading the Genotype book and it said Genotype.  When I discovered the BTD I didn't know about the other one.

It shouldn't be too difficult to tweak my foods now as I have 95% given up wheat, corn and potato except for the odd treat.  I think these were the key factors to a constant low weight for me.  The thing that really hit home as being 'me' was the statement about Gatherers being frequently in a state of hypoglaecemia, when I am not careful about what goes in, this is what happens to me.  Seeing it as a label for something common to my type makes me feel not so alone in fixing it.  
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how can he suddenly say I shouldn't be eating prunes and plums that were previously highly beneficial?  


gtd explained.....science behind....tests research food values
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2010/03/27/hows-and-whys?blog=24
hows and whys


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until you find out your hubs blood type, you can t make assumptions as to his GT!!


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believe me, I have told him this.  

thanks for the other link to read
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I have another question: much of the fruit on the gatherer superfood list are either unavailable at this time of year or are very poor quality/unripe/won't ripen and not good to eat.  How close to being helpful is a tinned apricot compared to a live one health-wise?  Would a good quality black dot fruit be better than a tinned superfood?  I can get lots of yummy apples, I had been eating 2 a day on the BTD and feeling good about getting all that fruit into me.
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How close to being helpful is a tinned apricot compared to a live one health-wise?  Would a good quality black dot fruit be better than a tinned superfood?

The only thing a canned fruit will not have that a fresh one will is the enzymes that are killed during the canning process.  

You need to watch the canned ones for things added, however.  They may be canned in a light sugar syrup, or fruit juice (depending on the compliance), or heavy syrup or corn syrup infused syrup...  Obviously, you need to make the choice about whether to buy / eat these...


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On canned apricots:

Look at the ingredient list.  If the ingredients are okay than the food is fine to eat.

I certainly would eat canned superfoods before using black dots, particularly if not through the flush out period.

Once through the flush out period, I think one should limit black dots to limited quantities occasionally.

I do not try to limit canned superfoods, but I prefer fresh organic produce from my local farmer's market.  


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Thanks to both for the advice.  Roll on shopping day!!
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Agree with C# and maybe if I still have problems getting my load of fresh enzymes I will supplement with something like 'LiveCell' from NAP.  You are lucky, you have your NZ distributor there handy and there are some very friendly Possums to lend a hand usually nearby too!!  




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Well, this one has the peculiarity of springing into action when most needed and I heard rumors that it will soon spring overseas ...    very loved, sought after and welcome Possum!!!




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Awww Cheers!!! I'll try to spring your way one of these days...

Where are you from sOphia? North or South Island?

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hello Possum, I'm in Auckland, will update my avatar.
I was very happy to read that chocolate is a superfood.  
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Agree with C# and maybe if I still have problems getting my load of fresh enzymes I will supplement with something like 'LiveCell' from NAP.  You are lucky, you have your NZ distributor there handy and there are some very friendly Possums to lend a hand usually nearby too!!  

I used the supplement advisor and ticked a bunch of stuff and it came back with quite a few different ones.  Is LiveCell a good all rounder?  I don't want to have to take a pill every day, I want to get the goodness required from the food I eat, but if I had to choose I'd want something basic.


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I enjoy live cell and polyflora first thing in the morning, with fresh water to help hydrolysis


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... Is LiveCell a good all rounder?  I don't want to have to take a pill every day, I want to get the goodness required from the food I eat, ...


But when you cannot get the food you need for your type, do not think of these supps as such, think of them as food, to feel the void you will otherwise have ... Always aim for getting the best out of your food, that is what we recommend here ... but rather than go without the proper food, use blood type specific supps ... that is my way of looking at it ....  





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I have another question: much of the fruit on the gatherer superfood list are either unavailable at this time of year or are very poor quality/unripe/won't ripen and not good to eat.  How close to being helpful is a tinned apricot compared to a live one health-wise?  Would a good quality black dot fruit be better than a tinned superfood?  I can get lots of yummy apples, I had been eating 2 a day on the BTD and feeling good about getting all that fruit into me.


If the tinned apricots just contain apricots and apricot juice, or apricots and the juice of a neutral fruit, then the can is probably better. But if the can contains the juice of a black dot or an "avoid" fruit, or another avoid such as corn syrup, then it's simply not a food you should be eating.

Besides canned fruits, you can also find many varieties of "out of season" fruits frozen (to make into smoothies or to bake with), dried (be wary of additives), and as juice (be careful with portion sizes; preferably dilute in water or green tea.)

I think you're better off eating "no fruits" than eating avoids or black dots regularly. But please keep in mind that the GTD book only lists beneficials and avoids; unlisted foods are neutral and are fine to eat.

Here's how I would select fruits, in order of preference:

1) beneficial fruits, fresh and in season
2) beneficial dried, frozen, juiced, or canned fruit that contains no bad ingredients
2) neutral fruits, fresh and in season
3) neutral fruits, dried, frozen, juiced, or canned without bad ingredients
4) no fruit at all- eat more veggies to compensate
5) black dot fruits in any form (including beneficial fruits with black dot ingredients)
6) avoid fruits in any form (including beneficial fruits with avoid ingredients.)

I know I listed #2  twice. I did that on purpose- if the beneficial fruits aren't in season, then I'd suggest eating some fresh neutral fruit and some beneficial fruit in other forms.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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Last night I got some superfoods to swap into my diet.  This morning I didn't get the mix right for breakfast  as I was hungry too soon but I have plenty of superfood snacks to keep me going at work.  
I will look into those supplements mentioned earlier.  
Have also made myself a wallet-sized list of the easily available good foods to remind me what I can  eat on shopping day.  The tinned fruit I can get is quite good - it seems to be in an OK juice but I don't drink that anyway.
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just as long as they don t contain citric acid or other corn derivative in the mix for conservation


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