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How can rice, rye, blueberries, bananas, mozzarella be good for someone who is an O and toxic if that same O is a Gatherer?????????

Doesn't the genotype diet render the BT diet unusable?

Aren't all the people following the BT diet just hurting their bodies?
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you see... I justamente love my older BTD swami recommendations...but have to look into the menopausal book again....getting thaaat fat...isn't fine @ all ..... ......


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We had  4 blood types groups then we broke them down into 6 genotype groups so things will change.. then if you look at a  SWAMI it is totally individual.



Quote from Dr. D
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In BTD foods exist in singular relationships.

In GTD they often exist in relationship to other foods (easier seen with software, hence 'GenoHarmonic relationships')

When BTD was in formative stages, there was no knowledge of epigenetic relationships.

Someplace, a prior BTD value will usually carry over in a GenoType which has that blood type as an entry requirement.

You can lead horses to water, but you can't make them drink.



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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo

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Genotype and Blood type diets are two different programs, and they really can't be compared.  It helps me to remember that they have different goals:

Blood type diet helps us make the best of the bodies that we have inherited, and to be as healthy as possible with the health or illness tendencies that we have.

Genotype diet re-programs our genes to express positive traits that may have been dormant for generations, and to tone down (suppress) traits that may have shown up as disease in our ancestors for generations.  This diet is designed to make deeper changes.



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again
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2008/04/24/themes-and-skins?blog=24
people concerned with this issue have found Dr. D's Blog on themes helpful.
     Why is it that something that was bad is..

also read the monographs up at the store for your GT and others....
see how it all comes together....


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might it be that lr4yt was def. a sort of intuitive grasp of truth and inspiration and that other issues can be realted to the need of sustain of other researchers..... so called *theories* of ... ....
The swami program was all times very individual.... ;) .......ok I am not at all familiar with epigenteics.... and also my beloved teacher  Prof. Dr. G. Uhlenbruck was more than pleased with the program of Dr.D..... he, himself has created a program of only 5 types... until now I wasn't able to lurke into.... :-/ ...would like have soooo much something to compare...

I am demanding myselve something different....... all the infos given .... I can't relate to my own situation... I grew up in France and wasn't with my parents at all...how can be a program that predictive There're some disagreements in psychological patterns.... I fear...
Sorry but now I must be honest.... the GTD-book is and was nothing
but deceptional to my own oppinion....why...coz lr4yt showed  the way that Dr.D. should have taken ...and not the implementation of
another group of researchers....I feel toughy ..... ok I'll stop here ......

Perhaps am I wrong..... here... or justamente only too A- like fixing my own oppinions... or too....uninformed....if so... I apologize ... ........but i promise to do my homework soon....

one of my lady-teachers once told me... Isa take care of being or getting a sort of dogmatic...... I was sooooo upset about that
bla-bla's but today I only can say ...yep she's right ;)... ...
btw... she tought me: Isa..... in life nothing that only contrary can be found :::: omG how right she was and still is... 8) ..............similar to the situation Dr. D. was mentioning...to
find out....ough...sigh... so called..hypochonders....
....here I also do struggle with my clients.... :-/...


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In my mind and in my experience, the GTD is a superior diet.  My body and my husband's body and all my children's bodies are very sensitive.  We've all done well on BTD, but GTD was even better.  It's more specific.  If you've got a lot of weight to lose or some serious health issues, GTD might be a better choice.

The way I see it is: yes, maybe Food X is bad for Os in general.....but, wait, taking into consideration these other factors (genotype), seems like SOME type Os can do Food X very well.  Maybe Food Y is great for As in general, but oh, wait, when you break the As into a couple of different categories, these As do well with Food Y, but not these other As.


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      "Genotype and Blood type diets are two different programs, and they really can't be compared.  It helps me to remember that they have different goals:"

But surely the client's goal is one and the same....to eat properly for good health. I understand that the programs are different, but it seems to me that the genotype diet renders the BT diet useless at best, and harmful at worst.

If an O trusts that rice, bananas and blueberries are okay from reading the BT info and eats them repeatedly, they are just poisoning themselves, no? So millions of people are trusting the BT diets, while they can in fact be harmful.

I could see if the genotype diet was just a more specific diet, but it SO conflicts with the BT diet. These programs are totally about what to ingest and what not to ingest. If one is blissfully following the BT diet, oblivious to the Genotype diet, trusting that they are at long last doing what is best for their body, it seems to me that they have been misled.

And what on earth is SWAMI?

I have a myriad of health issues and am disgusted with "doctors". I believed that I was finally on track, but now realize it's not so much of a track as a maze!

Perhaps I should go back to eating whatever and wait another 12 years until this whole system is resolved and reliable. I've wasted about $300 on food and supplements. Uh oh! Realization... are the supplements I'm taking also no longer appropriate? Deflect, Polyvite, etc.? Being 62, I'm running out of time.

One more thing:  Where does everyone find these interesting articles? And is it no longer possible to write to Dr. D'Adamo on this site?
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Quoted from farewell2fat
But surely the client's goal is one and the same....to eat properly for good health. I understand that the programs are different, but it seems to me that the genotype diet renders the BT diet useless at best, and harmful at worst.


The BTD has benefited many people and will continue to benefit people.

It is not the ideal for 100% of the people in the world. No diet is. This includes the GTD, although I think many of the problems with GTD are from people selecting the wrong GenoType.

To find out whether GTD or BTD would better meet the needs of your particular health concerns take this online quiz:

http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm


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And what on earth is SWAMI


It is a computer program that tailors a diet specific to an individuals need.  It combines elements of the BTD and GTD.  It is currently available from IFHI practitioners and Dr. D'Adamo's clinic. A limited version will soon be made available online for a fee.

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I have a myriad of health issues and am disgusted with "doctors". I believed that I was finally on track, but now realize it's not so much of a track as a maze!


Your health history serves as input into the SWAMI program and it will Tailor a diet program that addresses these concerns.

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I've wasted about $300 on food and supplements. Uh oh! Realization... are the supplements I'm taking also no longer appropriate? Deflect, Polyvite, etc.?


These should still be usable.

Lectins are a concern on either the GTD or BTD. So you can continue to use and benefit from Deflect.

Polyvite is a multivitamin.  It will continue to benefit you. When you reorder you may want to consider the GTD multivitamin, but use up the polyvite first.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GTMULTI%2DV

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And is it no longer possible to write to Dr. D'Adamo on this site?


Dr. D'Adamo monitors the forums and answer when appropriate.


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    If an O trusts that rice, bananas and blueberries are okay from reading the BT info and eats them repeatedly, they are just poisoning themselves, no? So millions of people are trusting the BT diets, while they can in fact be harmful.

It's not a question of the BTD "poisoning" you. It's more that the BTD aligns you to your genes so that they won't "trigger" and cause disease and death. The GentoType diet actually changes your genes to prevent future genetic diseases.

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SWAMI  -  Serotyping With Amplification, Modification, Interpretation (although the choice of acronym is also "a lighthearted way of poking fun at all swamis and crystal ball gazers").


The SWAMI is a individualized program that you can get that includes your GenoType and a specialized menu for you..Either from the Clinic or from a program that's soon to be released for specialists.
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Thanks, everyone for your support.

I did the recommended test, and it came out Genotype Diet.

After these vitamins, I'll order the genotype ones.

Thanks again! Hope to SWAMI real soon.
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What a few of us here have done with unusable supplements (if they haven't been opened--or maybe even if they have) is resell them to someone here on the forums who wants them.


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The best way of explaining the 2 diets for me is the Blood Type helped stabilize certain health conditions like heavy periods, and hypothyroidism.  My health definitely improved and I experienced almost no colds or flu during the past 12 years.

I started the genotype diet seriously about 6 months ago.  My body shape has changed, and my skin has really changed for the better.  I had an achilles tendon surgery in April and when I last saw my surgeon, he said although I was at 2 months post surgery, my healing was more like 4 months.

My ability to exercise and recover is incredible.  I used to always suffer from post exercise muscle soreness and not anymore.  My stamina has increased.

My body is becoming harder and my once very chunky muscles seem to be more steamlined and my fat is slowly disappearing especially the back fat.

The genotype diet for me is a true refinement of the Blood Type diet.  Many people (like me) started the Blood Type diet because of health problems.  Most people improved, but I have a feeling that for many non secretors esp.  the addition of the Explorer and Gatherer diets really helped with metabolism issues.  

I wouldn't say your supplements are throw aways, I still take deflect religiously and my Teacher husband still likes his A packages.  I didn't start any of the genotype supplements until last month and I think they contributed to clearer skin.
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perhaps all a question of different approaches ...


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Hi everyone, I am so glad for this thread!

I had been wondering for some time about tomatoes and Type A:
Of the three GT's for Type A (Teacher, Warrior, Explorer) I noticed that all of them have tomato listed as a black dot, however, in L4YT (BTD), it states that tomatoes for Type A are a "red flag".

I am referring to Andrea AWsec's post where she quotes from Dr. D about food in the BTD being individual and foods in the GTD as "having a relationship to eachother". I am thrilled 'cos of all the foods I miss most, its tomato - glad that I don't have to live without it forever - in moderation of course  
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On my SWAMi it is an avoid. So bye-bye forever to the tomato.

Fresh tomatoes effect me less then sauce, because the lectin is less concentrated.


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Fresh tomatoes effect me less then sauce, because the lectin is less concentrated.


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the tomato lectin is made stronger by cooking


both sentences have the same meaning!


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I wonder if there are any 0 blood types who cannot ever have tomatos in the swami, esp. a gatherer who has tomatos as a diamond, as I remember from the btd that tomatos turn alkaline in 0's gut(meaning what regarding lectins in tomatos, i don't know). I've heard the lycopenes, if thats the right word, are much higher in canned tomatos as opposed to fresh ones.( Lycopenes are supposed to be a good thing.)

So the question is...any 0 gatherers on the swami who can't eat tomatos for whatever reason?


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Fresh tomatoes give less of a problem ( Fresh means tomato  raw).

Sauce is cooked concentrated more lectins per square inch so to say.

Fresh tomato gives me less of a problem then cooked.

  Never said Dr. D said any such thing.


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I wonder if there are any 0 blood types who cannot ever have tomatos in the swami, esp. a gatherer who has tomatos as a diamond



I have no expertise on this subject, but as I recall the version of SWAMI for practitioners allows one to include chitinase allergies in the input and how strongly to weight this allergen.

If compounds associated with tomatoes were weighted as strong allergens, I would think it would be possible for an O SWAMI to designate tomatoes as an avoid.

I do not have access to the software to test this.





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any 0 blood types who cannot ever have tomatoes in the swami

right here!


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it can be vice-versa dearest Andrea... I've A-clients who support cooked tomatoe much better than raw....I think that all is about (as I once mentioned it...) ... when the aggregate issues are changed...all changes.... ........that's why I always try to make people understand..how important it might be to get tested...equal of what kind of test you might say..ok ....


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Lola: is there a known reason why you shouldn't eat tomatoes?


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as C mentioned above.....swami processes your personal physiological data, according to all the variables .
chitinase allergies is one
but there are other important aspects like Metabolotoxin (antimetabolite)
(Rutin Phenolics)
(Tyramine Phenolics)
(Glycotoxin)
(High Gallic acid concentration)
(Coumarin Phenolics)


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I have no expertise on this subject, but as I recall the version of SWAMI for practitioners allows one to include chitinase allergies in the input and how strongly to weight this allergen.

If compounds associated with tomatoes were weighted as strong allergens, I would think it would be possible for an O SWAMI to designate tomatoes as an avoid.

I do not have access to the software to test this.





The basic DDE filter kicks out the following vegetables as avoids for all blood types with a general chitinase filter (restrict):

Avocado
Potato, white with skin
Tomatillo
Tomato
Water chestnut, matai

The SWAMI should do something similar since the DDE is used in processing.
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