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Mrs T O+
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I have heard that the hormones can be 'held' in the fat of your body, so even if organs have been removed, the hormones can still have a 'home.' Can someone clarify that if it is not understood?
MF: I still would rather have my kids older than younger. But the biggest drawback would be when they are middle-aged, we may be too old to enjoy them as long. If I am a healthy 80, I guess I will enjoy my average 50-y.o. sons, but who knows?


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I started peri-menopause in my mid-thirty's and didn't finish for a long time.  I had hot flashes for years,even after the flow stopped (yeah!) up until I stopped eating soy and finally in my 60's I am going to cut back on the HRT and hopefully get off all together.  No debate needed.
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Quoted from Mrs T O+
I have heard that the hormones can be 'held' in the fat of your body, so even if organs have been removed, the hormones can still have a 'home.' Can someone clarify that if it is not understood?


What Dr John Lee explains is that body fat is a reservoir for androgens that can convert to estrogens. On the other hand the more body fat the more estrogen. Since excess estrogen stimulates body fat, a vicious cycle can be generated.

The original hormones still need to come from somewhere and in a woman with no ovaries or menopausal, they can originate in the adrenal glands.  That is why it is so important to have healthy adrenals (no stress!) when you enter menopause.

And BTW, at 62 and I am still having hot flashes! Nothing has helped them go away completely so far. Its not a big problem though. The heat and wine are the worse triggers for me. I have been taking FEM Balance now for 2 months and it is promising but I haven't been in very hot weather yet. I have tried many other things: Vitamin E, the usual recommended herbs, progesterone cream, maca, acupuncture, liver support. If I don't take anything it is worse though.

That is one reason I am doing the liver flush regularly, to rid my liver of what might be obstructing it.  

Maybe they will never go away completely. Who knows. I am still trying.  


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I have heard that the hormones can be 'held' in the fat of your body, so even if organs have been removed, the hormones can still have a 'home.' Can someone clarify that if it is not understood?


Just like with meat  ( beef etc..) the bad things are held in the fat, we have the same problem.

Often when people lose weight too quickly they get sick, one example is gallstones. The body can't rid itself of the waste fast enough so it does what it can then the waste builds up some place, probably the bodies weak spot. Slow weight loss is best, it gives the body time to adjust.

I am  pre menopausal at 46, thanks for this thread it gives me hope that it might not be so bad.





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I'm 40, started perimenopause in 30s--- 33-38, have been on pill since 33.  Have started using some bhrt, will probably switch over entirely within the year.  Thought I'd pull this thread up since it's a  pressing, ongoing issue that drives me nuts.  Last fall I started getting waistline weight gain.  That's better but now its all this itching & interrupted sleep.  Ugh, I worry it will never end.  Think I started having problems early due to vegan diet in my 20s.  
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I found out a lot since I posted on this thread a couple of years ago.

1) Even though I still had my ovaries, they probably stopped "working" about a year after my hysterectomy. So that explains the vaginal pain and dryness for the past 20 years!  

2) I'm now taking bio-identical hormones and found out the best Estrogen cream (according to my doctor) is Estriol applied vaginally. I've only been using it for six weeks, but I'm noticing I'm having a better response to it than the other Estrogen cream I was using. I use progesterone cream as well.

3) A lot of my hot flashes were due to Lyme disease (I was diagnosed about a year ago) my body fighting off the many infections due to tick bites.


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I've had some itchies & dry eyes lately even with all the hormones I use.  Really need to go off the pill.  I am hormonal dependant though, will be on BHRT likely for life.  Wish I could be a little bigger & heavier.  Being small boned has its drawbacks.  I am actually terrified of menopause.  Have been going through a semi agiraphobic phase.  My worse fear is I wing be able to get my hormones.  I worry  constantly.
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Ladies, I have been on bio-identical hormones now for two months and they have CHANGED MY LIFE!  For about three months before, and for three months on, three months off, for a year and a half now, I have been cycling in and out of getting a period.  When I don't get my period, I didn't sleep, has terrible night sweats and hot flashes and was absolutely exhausted.  My adrenal glands were overworked and everything was out of whack    I finally went to a hormone specialist who used bio-identical hormones in the transdermal cream form and my sleep patterns are almost completely normal after two months of using the hormones.  I am on a fairly low dose, but it is still making a huge different.

Dr. Lee's book focuses a lot on estrogen dominance, and I tried the OTC progesterone cream, but it did not help the night sweats and hot flashes.  Come to find out, I was very estrogen deficient, which is easy to spot, because I am a very small person with very little body fat.  As mentioned above, body fat is where your body stores the chemicals needed to convert to estrogen.  Unfortunately with very little body fat, I had no stores of necessary androgens (I forget what it is called) to be converted to estrogen.

Dr. Uzzi Reiss's book, The Natural Superwoman was a great read for me because he focuses on all the potential issues associated with peri-menopause and menopause, rather than focusing more on estrogen dominance.  Together, however, Dr. Lee's book and Dr. Reiss's books make for informed reading about peri-menopause and menopause.

It was a difficult decision for me to go on the bio-identical hormones, but I decided to do it because my doctor told me that my lack of sleep would cause SERIOUS health issues that would take their toll.  Plus it was so negatively impacting my life that I had to do something.  I'm very happy with the bio-identical hormones.  


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Yes I liked The Natural Superwoman also.  Elizabeth Vliet has written some great books, Screaming To Be Heard especially.  I've even read Sex, Lies & Menopause by T.S. Wiley.  I'm  very pro BHRT.  Need to have my body fat tested.  It's not so much that its low as that I am small boned (ectomorphic) & ate an age accelerating diet in my 20s.  I'm thinking of reading the Schwarzbein Principle first.  Of course I give first priority to btd when I read something but I do think there is a link between a lack of saturated fats from animal foods & accelerated menopause..I couldn't get it reversed even in my 30s.  Now I'm 40 & the ovaries won't ever work like they used to.  Oh well.  I wish I had eaten better when I was younger!  That durn vegan diet if only it could be stamped out like the plague!
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I am type A, Warrior.  Finished menopause at age 53.  


PS. Updated to correct....5/9/11  I'm not a Warrior....I'm a Teacher...I measured incorrectly and followed the wrong diet for 18 months before I did my SWAMI.



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I had a hyster last year (age 37, kept ovaries) I had massive fibroids,endo and was severely anemic. My choice is what was best for me, I have more energy, zest and I know now what it feels like to be freed from the bondages of maxi pads !! I'm not sure what menopause will hold for me, hopefully I'm like my mama who swore she never had a hot flash ever!!


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I really want to post here, as I am 54, still have pretty regular but long periods.  I recently got some medical coverage, so I went to a gyn to be evaluated.  Had an expensive series of lab work and sonogram to find out what I knew already.  Large fibroids in my uterus.  I also still have slightly wonky liver enzymes, but my thyroid is good (even though on synthroid still) and I was also anemic.
So now I am taking floradix and Iron Aid.  I am taking supps to support my liver and explorer supps.

I guess I wanted to say that all these years while I did the btd, I still ate my share of cheeses and dairy products.  My meats were not always grass fed.  But I have changed that in lieu of having a hysterectomy.  I believe I am so close to menopause, and the fibroids could shrink once it hits.  I also believe it's my "weak" liver that isn't processing hormones well that is part of the problem.  I am really avoiding dairy now, unless it's organic and on my list (only mozzarella, feta & pecorino).  I also decided to avoid soy, as it seems to exacerbate my symptoms and I get really emotional after indulging in it.  Trying to eat more bennie fishes and red meats, lots of good greens and
things like quinoa or lentils that are on my list too.  So far so good.  I am hoping to report back in
several months that things have turned around.   I really don't want to have a hysterectomy, especially since my insurance isn't that great.  I can just imagine the expense!
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I had my last period the month after I turned 41.  I had had my right ovary out in '83 due to endometriosis.  Still get the occasional hot flush, but generally very tolerable.



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I really want to post here, as I am 54, still have pretty regular but long periods.  I recently got some medical coverage, so I went to a gyn to be evaluated.  Had an expensive series of lab work and sonogram to find out what I knew already.  Large fibroids in my uterus.  I also still have slightly wonky liver enzymes, but my thyroid is good (even though on synthroid still) and I was also anemic.
So now I am taking floradix and Iron Aid.  I am taking supps to support my liver and explorer supps.

I guess I wanted to say that all these years while I did the btd, I still ate my share of cheeses and dairy products.  My meats were not always grass fed.  But I have changed that in lieu of having a hysterectomy.  I believe I am so close to menopause, and the fibroids could shrink once it hits.  I also believe it's my "weak" liver that isn't processing hormones well that is part of the problem.  I am really avoiding dairy now, unless it's organic and on my list (only mozzarella, feta & pecorino).  I also decided to avoid soy, as it seems to exacerbate my symptoms and I get really emotional after indulging in it.  Trying to eat more bennie fishes and red meats, lots of good greens and
things like quinoa or lentils that are on my list too.  So far so good.  I am hoping to report back in
several months that things have turned around.   I really don't want to have a hysterectomy, especially since my insurance isn't that great.  I can just imagine the expense!


Paula, can you tell us if you are on any type of hormones now, such as birth control, etc?  The reason I ask is that you mention that your liver isn't processing the hormones.  Bio-identical hormones are a cream that you apply to your body and they do not have to pass through the liver.  I am not sure if you are there yet, but if you do need something in the way of hormones, with your liver issues, it sounds like bio-identical transdermal hormones would be best for you.

I don't mean to be nosy, but your post has me wondering if maybe I missed an earlier post where you shared that you are taking HRT or birth control.  


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massive fibroids,endo and was severely anemic.


were you a starchatarian before??


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Patty,

To tell the truth, after my 5th child was born in '90, I had a tubal ligation.  I don't take any hormones.  I did try some progesterone cream, but I guess I am worried that it might cause the fibroids to grow.   I read alot of articles that say it can go either way.   With a weak liver, it seems like I don't process hormones well.  I think I may be dealing with xenoestrogen issues.   Victoria suggested vitex, which i have added.  My only concern there is that it tends to work on smaller fibroids, mine is pretty large.   Also working on keeping insulin levels steady cause that may really be the key.
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Paula,

Do you have a OB/GYN who is an expert in hormones?  If not, maybe you could see if you can find someone who is an expert and will prescribe the bio-identicals if you need them.  After a hysterectomy, I would assume you need some hormone support.  Obviously, the liver is a key component to hormones.  

What I like about my OB/GYN hormone specialist is that she tells me that she needs to understand how hormones affect every system of the body.  The other thing my OB/GYN recommends is acupuncture.  She is really very focused on natural health.  I am sure there would be someone really good in the SF area.  Maybe you have already found someone, and if so, I wish you well.  It sounds like you have a fairly complicated series of issues.  Hormones may not be ok for you.  


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As far as blood type and age of menopause goes: the females in my maternal side of the family are Type O's and Type B's. They had menopause between ages 55-57.

My paternal grandmother was only about 45 at menopause---her blood type is unknown; but she was a little taller than average, large boned with chiseled facial features and hour-glass build, and in-yer-face, controlling personality (and competitive). Possibly Type O Hunter?
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Patty,
With a weak liver, it seems like I don't process hormones well.  I think I may be dealing with xenoestrogen issues.   Victoria suggested vitex, which i have added.  My only concern there is that it tends to work on smaller fibroids, mine is pretty large.


If this is a duplicate suggestion, my apologies.  I haven't read this thread in a while.

Detoxical-D, Dr. D's formula containing calcium D-glucarate as a primary ingredient, is custom designed to help the body detoxify the liver. It is especially effective for xenoestrogens.
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP053



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Detoxical-D, Dr. D's formula containing calcium D-glucarate as a primary ingredient, is custom designed to help the body detoxify the liver. It is especially effective for xenoestrogens.
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP053
Thanks heaps for posting Victoria - that is very interesting as I didn't know "...Some compromised individuals may have less than optimal levels of Calcium D-glucarate, which can render dangerous levels of toxins more difficult for the body to neutralize and remove..."
I took calcium for a while & over that time I did experience more detoxing but had never connected the actual calcium affect??!! I had always thought it was JUST because I was at the time walking daily, having chia seeds for breakfast every morning & sometimes as an afternoon snack & drinking more water because I was somewhere hot...

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I'm glad this thread was revived, as it is interesting reading what other women are experiencing.  I am 53, O neg Explorer, and I'm perimenopausal.  I'm still having periods, though irregularly now.  Hot flashes and night sweats intermittantly over the past 1.5 years (or so).  Right now, I'm not having them (THANK goodness!!).  I did some research and had my gyn check my hormones (blood test, and not saliva as Dr. Lee recommends), and I am 99.9%  confident that I'm a classic estrogen-dominance case.  Progesterone low due to low or no- ovulation.  Estrogen reading as "normal" for a woman of child bearing age.  Although...I don't know how reliable one blood test on one particular day could be.  I've had it twice, though, and both times estrogen reads as normal, not low.  A sonagram picked up one small uterine fibroid, and one ovary that is "shriveled", whatever that is properly called.  I've been using an OTC bio-identical transdermal progesterone cream, which has alleviated my pretty much 30-day a month PMS symptoms, and it helps me sleep well at night.  That has been a blessing.

My mother is O neg and I don't know her age of menopause.  She had a hysterectomy (uterus only) at around age 20 or 21.  She was unable to bear children for some reason and was told she was lucky to have survived having just the one (me).  Her mother is also O negative.  I don't know her menopausal history either.  It wasn't discussed in my family.  
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Yes, it's good Victoria brought up Detoxical-D... Dr. Nash prescribed it for me during the luteal phase of my cycle. Apparently the body needs to rid itself of toxin build-up particularly during this phase.

Regarding menopause age, my mom was 43 when she had her menopause and she is a Type B. I have been experiencing perimenopausal symptoms since my mid-30s so I guess I'm not too far from menopause. I wouldn't mind if that helps me to shrink my fibroids


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Regarding menopause age, my mom was 43 when she had her menopause and she is a Type B. I have been experiencing perimenopausal symptoms since my mid-30s so I guess I'm not too far from menopause. I wouldn't mind if that helps me to shrink my fibroids


That could explain a lot of your struggles.  And here's hoping that everything improves when that 'blessed time' arrives.     



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Thanks, Victoria. I really look forward to this "blessed time" of my life  


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