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accidental_chef
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Hi Christopher, great messages!

I've been on the GTD studiously since Jan (see thread http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1218526927/ for my testimonial)but I'm faced with challenges which might be solved with the Paleo diet. I'm not sure though..

I have a couple of questions:

1.What kind of exercises do you do and what do you eat pre & post workout? Again, there's a thread on Post workout food for Hunters...and I'm still not happy with what I eat even though it's Hunter diamonds.

2. Generally, what are your meals like..?

I'm healthy and do not suffer from cravings and food addiction. My biggest issue is belly fat which came about after eating 3C of fruit daily. I find it incomprehensible that for a person who runs 7km-10km 4 times a week and who does weights 2 times a week to have belly fat. My next biggest issue is a lack of peristalsis (not constipation).

Could you please recommend the title & author of the actual Paleo book you are following..?

Thanks very much!
AC


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Tea Rose
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How interesting that many of us hunters are having trouble with grains lately - I know I have been, legumes also.  I am only eating basmati rice and no legumes at the moment.  Could there be a seasonal reason for this?  I know I am affected by the seasons big time with sinuses, internal dampness, etc. Makes sense that there could be digestive/congestive seasonal issues too.

Things that I had no problem with in the Summer seem to be troublesome to me since Autumn began and I know that this is always the season that I have to take extra care of myself or I wind up ill.  I started GTD on Jan 5th or 6th with no noticeable problem from (compliant) grains then.  I am hoping that once I get into January I will find (compliant) grains/legume not to be so troublesome for me again.

I love the GTD and the fact that I have options from all food groups and don't see me ever eliminating a food group totally, but that doesn't mean that all the options are good for me all the time.  I imagine that is why there is SWAMI, because we are all individual AND even within our selves we may differ from season to season.  I am hoping!

Actually, I value the experience as part of the journey of getting to know myself.

Tea Rose



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there are no diamond grains for hunters, right?

don t forget, it s the diamonds which help you loose weight....


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Quoted from Lola
there are no diamond grains for hunters, right?

don t forget, it s the diamonds which help you loose weight....


Yes, that's right, no diamond grains for Hunter.
Lola, it's not weight loss we are talking about ...


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from personal experience, it is the SF grains as well as neutrals which do not do the miracles, diamond grains are doing.

but again, i am not a hunter....but did suffer from addictions in the past.


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Christopher
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Accidental Chef- You have your answer as to why you have belly fat in your post....40Km per week!!! That's cortisol overload. Long distance running is not necessarily a health promoting activity.You should do it if you love it but in no way will it change your body comp for the better.
My advice would be to dramatically reduce your long distance running and strength train and sprint more.

As far as pre and post workout food, I do nothing special at all anymore.You would probably like Paleo Diet for Athletes by Cordain as it covers this subject extensively as it applies to endurance/ld running.Sometimes I have a fruit smoothie with 1 cup of berries,nuts and oil right after if I wont be eating for a while. I only do strength training,bodyweight,yoga and corrective exercises.
A typical meal for me would be .5 to 1 cup of onions/peppers/carrot/greens sauteed in ghee,tallow whatever with 8-10 oz grassfed ground meat and 1.5 cups of broccoli.
As far as getting things moving I have tried EVREYTHING and higher fat intake with 400-800mg magnesium oxide at night is the ONLY thing that works for me and it works PERFECTLY.
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I still think that Dr. D’s work is more: food = medicine. I guess for me it boils down to the fact that I do not want to eat what my “ancestors” ate. I want to improve on it.


Egggssssactly! My thoughts entirely..Very well said.
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I still think that Dr. D’s work is more: food = medicine. I guess for me it boils down to the fact that I do not want to eat what my “ancestors” ate. I want to improve on it.


I always wondered how those paleolithic people managed to eat so much coconut oil.  


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suzedgar
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Christopher,
can you please expand more on your comments about cortisol being connected to putting on weight?  
If the body produces too much cortisol, you get fatter?
How does that work?
So i guess - if I give up stimulants like too much coffee etc, I could finally lose the few pounds I have been trying to lose for 6 months???
I am trying to eat as many diamond foods as possible every day and am drinking yerba mate tea but this dreadful coffee is a tough one.  It will probably involve a few days of headaches adn feeling sluggish to give it up.
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Christopher,
can you please expand more on your comments about cortisol being connected to putting on weight?  
If the body produces too much cortisol, you get fatter?
How does that work?

High cortisol levels promote storage of body fat on the torso.  It's a stress response, saving up for lean times.

I don't know if coffee runs up cortisol levels...BUT if it did, I doubt it would be beneficial for As.
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suzedgar
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I don't know Drive - I know that O bloods need a lot of exercise to offset producing too much adrenalin and cortisol - their bodies naturally do that. A bloods don't have that problem so coffee probably doesn't affect them.
I think that O's might do badly on stimulants.

I guess what I am looking for is why coffee is so bad for Hunters???
Is it only because of the acidity issue or the fact it is a stimulant and affects adrenalin levels?
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I think you just answered your own question....yes and yes.
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Quoted from suzedgar
I don't know Drive - I know that O bloods need a lot of exercise to offset producing too much adrenalin and cortisol - their bodies naturally do that.


We Hunters do burn off excess cortisol/adrenaline through excercise. Like anything else it is possible to overdo it. Hunters are built more for intense bursts than sustained marathons but there is room for endurance training as well.
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Quoted from Christopher
Accidental Chef- You have your answer as to why you have belly fat in your post....40Km per week!!! That's cortisol overload. Long distance running is not necessarily a health promoting activity.You should do it if you love it but in no way will it change your body comp for the better.
My advice would be to dramatically reduce your long distance running and strength train and sprint more.

As far as pre and post workout food, I do nothing special at all anymore.You would probably like Paleo Diet for Athletes by Cordain as it covers this subject extensively as it applies to endurance/ld running.Sometimes I have a fruit smoothie with 1 cup of berries,nuts and oil right after if I wont be eating for a while. I only do strength training,bodyweight,yoga and corrective exercises.
A typical meal for me would be .5 to 1 cup of onions/peppers/carrot/greens sauteed in ghee,tallow whatever with 8-10 oz grassfed ground meat and 1.5 cups of broccoli.
As far as getting things moving I have tried EVREYTHING and higher fat intake with 400-800mg magnesium oxide at night is the ONLY thing that works for me and it works PERFECTLY.


Thanks Christopher. Your comment on the running is a bit  ..coz I do enjoy that time of the day and it's a great stress buster. But since I'm resting for the whole of December I wont be starting on anything till January. It gives me time to reassess what I want and how I want to achieve it, and posts like yours gives me an inkling as to what I should look out for.

Ah, glad to know that it's not just me who's Mg dependant . Makes me think though: "but why?"...

Thanks again and best wishes!
AC


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Quoted from Dr. D


I always wondered how those paleolithic people managed to eat so much coconut oil.  


I suppose that would apply even more so to the other plant oils.
The whole Paleo concept is an approximation anyway since I'm not cracking femurs/skulls open and sucking the marrow out.

Chef
I blame the temporary Mg reliance on my horrific food choices the first 30 yrs of my life.
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Quoted from suzedgar
I don't know Drive - I know that O bloods need a lot of exercise to offset producing too much adrenalin and cortisol - their bodies naturally do that. A bloods don't have that problem so coffee probably doesn't affect them.


I would have to beg to differ here. I could never drink coffee first, due to the fact that I am extremely caffeine intolerant it makes me extremely jumpy and agitated. Second it makes my stomach so acidic it is intolerable. I also do poorly with chocolate even though it is found naturally in chocolate, tea and coffee.  

So I had to avoid some things on the btd that were supposed to be ok. chocolate and coffee were two of those things. I will only drink decaffeinated tea.

Knowing that I am an explorer has answered the questions as to why the btd was never actually quite right for me.

Like hunters I do well with vigorous exercise.


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I have a couple of questions:

My biggest issue is belly fat which came about after eating 3C of fruit daily. I find it incomprehensible that for a person who runs 7km-10km 4 times a week and who does weights 2 times a week to have belly fat.

AC


AC, dou you try some fat bunner GTD supps??
and less carb and fruit..

7-10 km is good...what time dou you do?




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AC, dou you try some fat bunner GTD supps??
and less carb and fruit..

7-10 km is good...what time dou you do?


Raquel, my issue is the sudden flab on the tummy, and this I have discovered is b'coz of too much fruit. There is also dampness in the upper body which is affecting my kidney & bladder, so that's another thing I've been tyring to heal. Also, I feel my insides are squashed bcoz of such a short torso (just 1" between the lower rib to the top of the hip bone) and with age everything is succumbing to gravitational force much more than before !

I'm not on any supplements, but I do take a high dose of B Complex and also fish oil which is recommended for Hunters, both once a day. And of course Mg oil mixed in some juice before bed to help things happen  !

Actually I dont run the entire 7-10km in one pace. I sprint 100meters then I brisk walk and then sprint again etc., Last year I ran a 10km marathon race at around 48mins. It was my first time and I did it to experience what it was like to take part in such an event. I feel that timings are personal and everyone's pace is different. Hope this helps  


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I feel that timings are personal and everyone's pace is different. Hope this helps  


I agree...so you did a good time at marathon..of course you are Hunter...have you trained all you life??

Some probiotics BTD (Poliflora NAP) is good for colon and fruit digestive... I'm taking now and it`s a great supp...
and some liver detox may help to burn some fat 'located'...


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the paleo diet is very close to the non secretor O diet. Most hunters who cannot lose weight on the  Hunter diet are either exercising too little or not at all or are Aerobically deficient meaning their exercise programs are aerobically deficient (too much anearobic exercise) or they overexercise or are excessively stressed.

I would recommend the Maffetone Method for exercise for Hunters


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Mikeo, what is Maffetone Method???
thanks,


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Raquel, my issue is the sudden flab on the tummy, and this I have discovered is b'coz of too much fruit.



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I think that O's might do badly on stimulants.

I guess what I am looking for is why coffee is so bad for Hunters???
Is it only because of the acidity issue or the fact it is a stimulant and affects adrenalin levels?

Yeah, Os are easily stimulated already, right?

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I would have to beg to differ here. I could never drink coffee first, due to the fact that I am extremely caffeine intolerant it makes me extremely jumpy and agitated. Second it makes my stomach so acidic it is intolerable. I also do poorly with chocolate even though it is found naturally in chocolate, tea and coffee.

I agree, it's probably because:
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