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Goldie
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ROB.. man you are talking mile high wait until you fly with out a parashute here on energy alone..

yes its the avoid foods that make us ill .. and the neutral are not much better..

some meds are less bad.. I am currently taking 2 pills but fully intend to get rid of the need for them as well..

I rather eat food than pills.. good luck.. and you are right.. diabetes starts at birth .. how are your nerves?? any twitching??


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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... how are your nerves?? any twitching??

In the past, I've had horrific nervous disorders.  Today with the help of meditation, deep breathing, massage therapy and BTD they are much better managed.

These days only when my sugar levels are in an extremely low state, which I don't allow to happen very often, do I experience radical nervous energy.  Once I discover my glucose levels have dropped or are declining I instantly bring them back up with proper fuel... i.e. not table sugar and/or glucose tabs as many MDs suggest.  

I was hospitalized as a child because of stomach disorders... they ran tons of tests: upper and lower GIs, allergy prick tests, etc.  I was pre-junior high school, perhaps 10-12, and the doctor wanted to put me on a low dosage of Valium.  Imagine that.  My mother had the prescription filled but I refused to take it.  

I guess I've been blessed with a keen sense of awareness of my body chemistry.  
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I guess I've been blessed with a keen sense of awareness of my body chemistry.


that s the very reason why you got here!


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In the past, I've had horrific nervous disorders.  Today with the help of meditation, deep breathing, massage therapy and BTD they are much better managed.

These days only when my sugar levels are in an extremely low state, which I don't allow to happen very often, do I experience radical nervous energy.  Once I discover my glucose levels have dropped or are declining I instantly bring them back up with proper fuel... i.e. not table sugar and/or glucose tabs as many MDs suggest.  

I was hospitalized as a child because of stomach disorders... they ran tons of tests: upper and lower GIs, allergy prick tests, etc.  I was pre-junior high school, perhaps 10-12, and the doctor wanted to put me on a low dosage of Valium.  Imagine that.  My mother had the prescription filled but I refused to take it.  

I guess I've been blessed with a keen sense of awareness of my body chemistry.


Been there done that ... 168 x ray over 10 years by the time I was 32.. nothing showed the allergy to milk.. doh.. I am O now we know!!!!!

and may I exchange the words above : I AM NOT referring to nervous energy.. that would be hyper - hupo glycemia.. rather I am talking about nerve damage.. twitching and hurting or numbness in legs at night.. neuropathy..?  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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You never know I just SWAMI'ed my first MD. He did remind me not to tell anyone about it, but he also sent someone else to me too. He told me that he has been paying attention to patients blood types and finds that the sick ones are A's, he is a cardiac anesthesiologist, so he looks at lots of blood types.

Docs might come kicking and screaming ( like babies having a tantrum) but people will ask for it eventually.



AWESOME!!! Made me wanna do a happy dance as I read this! AWESOME!!! YAY! One Dr at a time!



O positive baby boy.
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     ======     1+1= 2    ???


I am trying to wrap my aching head around this... Do Diabetics get headaches more than others? especially at 3-4 am when the caffeine in tea is wearing off??
Is it the caffeine in the tea that makes the headcahe go away after on hour or the 2 glasses of water in the tea??  


PLEASE>> PLEASE explain the stuff about to LOW blood sugar.. I am diabetic but I don't want to 'get' it.. so bear with me one more time ( you all) explain.. THANKS>>> (AM I getting it that diabetes is maybe NOT about TO MUCH sweets (guilt) instead of it is about my pancreas NOT MAKING enough Insulin any more (age related -type ll) ??? (so not my fault but my body's -faulty- reactions to food of all sorts??? (much less guilt)

and the cure is exercise?? what is exercise doing within the body to make it better??



Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Goldie, its too complicated to condense into a simple answer on line. I would suggest that you read any and all of the books and publications that are put out by Diabetes associations. There is a factor called insulin resistance. It apparently is part of the type 2 condition that even if your pancreas is working normally, and producing insulin to deal with the glucose in your blood, at a cellular level the insulin cannot do its proper work.
Losing weight is usually a major factor in aiding your body to do its normal work.
I personally find that anything with sugar added is disastrous.. a jam sandwich for instance ruins my readings for half a day. I have totally given up cakes and biscuits and indeed any food with added sucrose.
Just following my motto (eating less and exercising more) has allowed me to live without medication even though all the authorities say that type 2 is a life sentence. And it probably is. But I choose to avoid medication where possible in every area of my life.I don't have headaches, so can't help you there.
If you have been diagnosed with the condition please take it seriously as it is a major life threatening illness if not controlled.I will always be grateful to my GP who warned me that I could lose a limb, have a heart attack or (what was the third thing? oh yes, go blind)...anyway, that I should do something about it..he
scared me rotten and that motivated me to do everything that I have talked about in this thread over the past 18 months. xxx



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Yeah it is serious & well done to you Jenny!!
My Mum has suffered heart attacks, strokes & knee problems (among many other things) for not taking her health seriously enough - I wouldn't like to see anyone facing the end of their days like her, sitting around incapacitated if there was an alternative "fairly readily" able to be accessed from self control...

Goldie - well done on the steps you have accomplished so far!!
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The intelligence behind Diabetes ll just eludes me..( I just fight my shadow)  I am just confused but Jenny gave me 2 clues..  

There is a factor called insulin resistance. It apparently is part of the type 2 condition that even if your pancreas is working normally, and producing insulin to deal with the glucose in your blood, at a cellular level the insulin cannot do its proper work............... it is not making enough any more to deal with the sugar levels.. yes I get that ... especially as I was doing so well eating sugar free......  a life sentence is the stage I am in.. maybe not like the stage I could be in later... but wavering between being a victim and hating being a victim.. knowing full well that I am not...

sort of: if I had a man hitting me .. I could just walk out.. end of discussion... but this darn diabetes will just follow me und slap me on the side of the face again and again.. ( I can honestly say I am glad I am not passing this thing on to the next generation.. I did not make any next generations.. )  

yes I know about the weight.. and I am working on it.. and am doing all sorts of good stuff.. until I sabotage my self.. like this headache stuff.. is just so hard to avoid every day.. to me that is juggling as a full time occupation.. even though I know how to deal with it.. if I forget just for half a day then I suffer.. as I do today..

and yesterday I had a bad (not depression) self pity day.. just wanted to jump out of my skin.. but then things started to look up and all was ok .. but this morning I am not able to shake this headache..  I am sometimes just so darn upset that I am in pain (as I have been all my living days for one thing or another food issue) .... which makes me agitated ( like a little kid, stupid) that I just .... whatever.... having a tantrum..

RIGHT now I feel so P.SST!!!.. but for me anger sometimes is the way to SLAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM a door behind me.. and I can sometimes embrace it to "do" something about it.. I know I am slamming a door on one relationship which is unpleasant .. as it will remove me from a family member I should be able to trust but just can't.. I just feel like taking a hammer to my head..   but like I said .. slamming that door..

well diabetes has such a door... just that it slams me in my behind as it swings back.. you see it has 2*  way hinges.. (get it diabetes 2*)   This is a door so hard to slammm ..... slammm .. thanks for just listening to my rant.. if only my headache would go away.. I wan to eat a cow.. and there-in-is-the-cure!!

Breath deeply.. I will make it... it is just a question how soon... breath deeply ...
P/S     and I hate exercise.. !!!!!  

# hours later I feel better.. the moon must be a changing??


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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Hi Goldie, I feel quite humbled by your mail, and can see how you are suffering.
Lucky you, you can  'eat a cow', literally! Hopefully you will come to the point one day when you are grateful for this diagnosis, as it has the possibility of leading you to a better life including a svelte body,compassion for people with any illness and greater understanding of the nature of mortality.By the way, without going back over your posts, have you obtained a copy of Peter's Diabetes book? Chapter One is called The Dynamics of Diabetes, and in that I am sure you will find your answers to the scientific questions that are puzzling you. there are many other books that I have dipped into, and they all fundamentally say the same things about glucose, insulin, insulin resistance and the need to lose weight and eat well, but no where else have I found such a profound analysis of correct food/diet as in Peter's work, whether it is BTD,GTD,personalized swami, or the specialist Diabetes book. I personally found it best to stick to the Diabetes book for the 6 months following diagnosis, then returned to my GTD when I had stabilized, then went to the swami when it became available in Australia.
Looking forward to your ongoing story,
Cheerio, Jenny



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Jenny.. I have the diabetes book and I follow it.. 95% then I cheat sometimes and feel the difference .. I am certain that its the best book..

I know my not understanding is just not getting it.. like a mistery.. but suddenly a word will do it .. I know I am on addict.. what ever the addiction .. sweet, indulgence, stomping my feet, all in the name of .... darn it.. where is my freedom and where is .. my reward.._ right here with you all ... and like I said: it's on the cow.. ahaha  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Jenny,

When following the Diabetes book, is it safe to eat the "highly-beneficials" more often than the book suggests for a particular food group?  

For example, I do not eat meat/poultry but I do eat fish.  For blood type A, the book recommends eating fish/seafood 1-3 times per week for caucasians.  

Now, salmon is a highly-beneficial food for blood type A.  Because it's highly beneficial is it safe to eat it more than 3 times per week if you make sure the portion size is correct?  

I'm a bit confused and really appreciate your input!
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Rob, I'd love to be able to answer you authoritatively, but I think the answer would more correctly be...it all depends...
If you are feeling seriously ill and under threat of medication, or any of the horrible outcomes, I would be fairly careful to follow portions etc. pretty closely for a fair while.On the other hand, I can't see that a bit of leeway will hurt. I guess it just puts the balance out somewhat. What's your gut feeling? (good word in this context!)
Jenny



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Can someone tell me.. if I wish to eat lets just say.. prunes.. is it better to eat 2 at a time x 3 times a day?/

or have the six at night?? at the end of the day??


and tomatoe is not good at all?? or is it a plain sugar??

and eating ever smaller meals more often??


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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What's your gut feeling? (good word in this context!)
Jenny

haha Jenny,

Thanks for the quick reply and the aptly timed pun.  

I (for whatever reason) attribute a lot of my early success to eating the highly's as frequently as I'd like.  I do watch portion sizes very closely though as I know too big of a meal wrecks havoc on my glucose levels.

I really think eating the highly beneficials has been good for me which could be just because I want it to be that way.  Perhaps I'm just making too big of a deal out of it.  

I feel as though I'm quite in tune with my body and I believe if it were doing serious harm I'd certainly notice ill side-effects.

I do perform glucose testing numerous times throughout the day as I'm charting all the data to discover exactly what certain foods and portion sizes do to my sugar levels.  I'm getting a good handle on the numbers now and will feel comfortable in the next week or so to hopefully begin doing the tests less frequently.

Anyway, you're a gem.  I feel very blessed to have met you and the rest of this loving, caring community here.


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frequency values are simply guidelines....
if following the diabetes, fish portions will not affect you if you wish to up those according to your needs.....same with veggies....

fruit and starches, I d be more careful to stay within the guidelines


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frequency values are simply guidelines....
if following the diabetes, fish portions will not affect you if you wish to up those according to your needs.....same with veggies....

fruit and starches, I d be more careful to stay within the guidelines

Thanks Lola for your valued input.

I am careful with my grain and fruit portions.  I've yet to eat an amount of any particular fruit or grain, which is actually a beneficial for me, that raised my sugar levels outside of or even near an unacceptable range.  

I like the grazing all day approach... it works for me.  I only seem to get into trouble when I try to eat fewer meals of larger proportions which I choose not to do because I know the consequence.  
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YAP I am coming to the same discovery.. smaller and ever smaller meals work better..

how did my body know that YEARS ago??

the mistery .. it never ends.. some I think is sinking in.. like even after I will lick this .diabetis ll . it still will be with me forever ? !... its like a gift from my father.. he is long gone but keeps on giving..



Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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like even after I will lick this .diabetis ll . it still will be with me forever ?

This is what most literature says.  Supposedly we can't cure it only manage it.  However, I'm not sure I've completely bought into this theory.  I often hear people say they've cured their diabetes and I choose to believe them.  

A think a lot of success and failure associated with the management of this condition begins in the mindset.  Until I'm 50 years into this and struggling and battling to stay on top of the affliction I will not allow my mind to be convinced I have a disease.

I KNOW the Diabetes BTD is controlling my situation extremely well and for that reason alone I've made an agreement with myself to continue pressing forward on the road to recovery by giving my body what it needs to function optimally.    


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I KNOW the Diabetes BTD is controlling my situation extremely well and for that reason alone I've made an agreement with myself to continue pressing forward on the road to recovery by giving my body what it needs to function optimally.    




Excellent!!!  Bravo!!!  Great attitude!!!  Way to go!!!  That is the spirit!! That is the only way!!!




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Rob-if you get 6-8 oz 3 X a week, you can have 4oz-6X a week, or 2oz-12X week.  (your still getting the right amount in per week, and when dealing with diabetes, the combination of what is in the meal effects the outcome of the glucose number, (so if you don't eat your protein portion with your veggies, most likely your glucose number will be higher two hours after eating, then if you did eat it) Fat will also balance the numbers very similiar as protein. 1T=9Gram fat 1oz meat/fish/poultry=7gram protein
many veggies are 5carbs per half cup, greens especially (usually considered free) on diabetic food plan. fruit serving=15Carbs & 1/2 most fruit juice=15 carbs.
Usually men get 30-45 for breakfast and 60-75 for lunch and dinner. (or can divide in six small meals a day.  Glucose needs to be 100-140 before going to bed, if not eat 15-30 carbs, before reclining) (glucose drops during the night, but also raises again in AM, but important to cover the drop, it could be life threatening,if not covered.
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Feeling amazingly chipper today, as my 3 monthly blood test, the one known as Hb1ac
came  up with a 5.4 this morning, an improvement on the past two readings of 6.2 and 6.5. Apparently this reading is bang in the middle of the normal range, let alone the diabetic range. I realize that the U.S. numbering system is different to the Australian and Canadian version, but unfortunately I don't know how to translate them.
My cholesterol was also fine.
Had a longish discussion with the diabetic nurse specialist who does 6 monthly checks on all the danger signs, and she says I am doing amazingly well. I offered to take in and give her a copy of  Peter's diabetes book for her medical library, and she accepted quite happily. She then gave the GP a summary of my situation, emphasising that I was following the BTD program, and obviously doing well on it.
Slowly slowly catchy fishy.



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Jenny,  you are an amazing warrior!!!  Thank you for your testimonials and ground work not only on diabetics but for your general positive influence to this forum!!! and such a great ambassador




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Yeah well done Jenny!! Great example & ambassador!! Go get those little fishies
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I am coming up for air in my gills.. your enthusiasm is great.. as I need it .. muchly..

today I would have no white lines on my swirls.. my fingers are so swollen from eating junk yesterday.. and not just a little.. sorry.. .... but I know sorry does not count..

I need to honor your experience and learn to say no..

as for a permanent 'condition' it is but so is being permanent on BTD.. I accept that..

BUT you are right .. you are not going to get the bad effects of diabetes .. as long as you can adhere to BTD..

I think WE ALL should request that we be given BTD compliant foods if ever we are in a hospital..

going fishing in my own pond of nutrient dense foods.. AHHHHHHHH nutrient is not enough.. it needs to be compliant nutrients!!!


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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