Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register


Main Forum Page  ♦   Latest Posts  ♦   Member Center  ♦   Search  ♦   Archives   ♦   Help   ♦   Log In/Out   ♦   Admins
Forum Login
Login Name: Create a new account
Password:     Forgot password

BTD Forums    Diet and Nutrition    The GenoType Diet  ›  Diabetes control
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 8 Guests

Diabetes control  This thread currently has 6,915 views. Print Print Thread
7 Pages « 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 » All Recommend Thread
Jenny
Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 2:28am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swamied Warrior
Ee Dan
Posts: 1,771
Gender: Female
Location: Canberra, Australia
Age: 73
Sorry Cristina, I've only just noticed your question. The prick test I use is from a kit that I was given by a relative who had several gratis ones in her cupboard. I believe if you go to a pharmacy that stocks diabetic stuff that you can buy it at retail prices. However, if your doctor has given you a referral due to being Type 2 already, you can join the national diabetic association and get all your stocks at a highly subsidized rate.

What I logged on for today was to give a useful update if anyone needs this information.
I have been doing my personal swami Warrior for a while now, and getting used to the various aspects of it that have altered from what I did before. I guess I am even more compliant that I ever have been, and especially take note of how much and how many per day and per week. Suddenly I realized that I had never really done much with the super spices, and as I am very familiar with Indian food, decided to really do that with a vengance. So now my hot meal of the day is highly spiced with supers, and I can feel my digestion being particularly warm.  But wait for it, after 4 days of this, my early morning prick test is way down, as though my metabolism has been cranked up and insulin resistance is being dealt a blow. So exciting.



Eating half and exercising double.
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 50 - 157
Cristina
Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 1:14pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SwamiX Explorer A2+; L(a-b+); MN,INFP, T/ R1b-M343
Ee Dan
Posts: 3,548
Gender: Female
Location: Sunny Coast,��QLD, Australia
Age: 63
Thanks Jenny and great work!!  Spices are so important too, they aid digestion and the ones in our SFs lists are specially designed to get us healthy.  Coming from a Mediterranean background, they (spices, condiments) are never too far away when I am cooking and they are some of the first lists I check when updating my Swami.  Like you I try to use elements from all categories diversifying and experimenting as much as possible.  Fantastic work!!  Keep us posted.  




Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 51 - 157
kittykar1
Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 6:00pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

RH -; 43% -Gatherer-SWAMI
Autumn: Harvest, success.
Posts: 380
Gender: Female
Location: Missouri
Age: 55
Jenny,

I was diagnosed as pre-diabetic last summer (0 and put on 1/2 tab of low dose meds. Have spent the last year in a dizzy state of hypoglycemia. Stopped taking drugs last week and am also taking Glycoscia. Feeling much better, but not sleeping as good. Started on Melatonin for that last night. Really need to invest in a glucose meter and keep track ( as a nurse I really know this) instead of going on how I feel. Will do that soon. As soon as I went  totally gluten free this summer I became dizzier and ate very little food ( side effect of med). I am gettin my appetite back and can now eat more than a protein shake and a bowl of soup daily.


"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality."John Lennon

Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 52 - 157
geminisue
Thursday, November 5, 2009, 12:12am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMIED Rh+ G2-Gatherer
Sam Dan
Posts: 2,763
Gender: Female
Location: GOTL, Ohio, U.S.A.
Age: 69
You can usually get a free meter and then have to buy strips or drums, you can get good price from the diabetic association, if your insurance, doesn't cover them.  A prescription and a phone call to some medical supply place is about all you need to do.  Or go to a hospital where they have diabetic classes and ask if they have any new meters you can start off with, they may talk you into attending classes, which is wise to do when you are new and each year after.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 53 - 157
kittykar1
Friday, November 6, 2009, 12:41am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

RH -; 43% -Gatherer-SWAMI
Autumn: Harvest, success.
Posts: 380
Gender: Female
Location: Missouri
Age: 55
Thanks, I'll look into that.


"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality."John Lennon

Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 54 - 157
Jenny
Monday, November 9, 2009, 9:04am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swamied Warrior
Ee Dan
Posts: 1,771
Gender: Female
Location: Canberra, Australia
Age: 73
Quoted from kittykar1
Jenny,

I was diagnosed as pre-diabetic last summer (0 and put on 1/2 tab of low dose meds. Have spent the last year in a dizzy state of hypoglycemia. Stopped taking drugs last week and am also taking Glycoscia. Feeling much better, but not sleeping as good. Started on Melatonin for that last night. Really need to invest in a glucose meter and keep track ( as a nurse I really know this) instead of going on how I feel. Will do that soon. As soon as I went  totally gluten free this summer I became dizzier and ate very little food ( side effect of med). I am gettin my appetite back and can now eat more than a protein shake and a bowl of soup daily.


Kitty kar.....keep at it my friend....it is so wonderful to get good results....your self esteem will rocket as well as your health....I'm also still on glycoscia, but have been off meds for 3 months now.......thrice daily prick tests keep me on the straight and narrow,
with especially noting of trying to keep the evening meal lighter as it is the one that wreaks the readings in the mornings if I don't keep to correct allowances.... creating a daily planner which I tick off after each meal has been a boon....trying to remember to exercise enough is a major challenge.....but both GP and specialist are amazed at my results, and I am only waiting for them to engage me as a volunteer tutor for their patients...ha ha. The GP said last week that amongst his patients what I have done is almost unheard of, and the specialist agrees. It is so hard for them to then accept that it is not an accident, it is the hard work of the GTD that has done it. But it is probably time for me to press the point.Unfortunately if push comes to shove, they probably write me off as a lucky anomaly.




Eating half and exercising double.
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 55 - 157
Possum
Monday, November 9, 2009, 9:13am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh- Expluntherer... It means I'm an O...;-)
Ee Dan
Posts: 5,396
Gender: Female
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Age: 53
Good to hear how you're going Jenny Well done!!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 56 - 157
Cristina
Monday, November 9, 2009, 9:20am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SwamiX Explorer A2+; L(a-b+); MN,INFP, T/ R1b-M343
Ee Dan
Posts: 3,548
Gender: Female
Location: Sunny Coast,��QLD, Australia
Age: 63
Quoted from Jenny


..trying to remember to exercise enough is a major challenge....



This is so very true for me too.  I read somewhere here it is an A trait.

Glad to see you here Jenny, and that you are doing so well too.  




Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 57 - 157
kittykar1
Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 4:06am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

RH -; 43% -Gatherer-SWAMI
Autumn: Harvest, success.
Posts: 380
Gender: Female
Location: Missouri
Age: 55
Jenny

Glad going off meds is working for you!!! Keep up the good work!! I will keep struggling along to kick off this extra weight and to heal. I think the 16 months on glugophage kept me from weight loss. At least I don't feel like my head is in a continual dizzy fog now.


"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality."John Lennon

Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 58 - 157
Jenny
Friday, January 29, 2010, 11:56pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swamied Warrior
Ee Dan
Posts: 1,771
Gender: Female
Location: Canberra, Australia
Age: 73
Just keeping this thread going for the sake of the current discussion of diabetes control for Gatherers.
All's well here in Jenny land.. hope the same is for all of you working on this issue.



Eating half and exercising double.
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 59 - 157
eh
Saturday, January 30, 2010, 3:03am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Sam Dan
Posts: 752
Quoted from Jenny


Unfortunately if push comes to shove, they probably write me off as a lucky anomaly.



Yes. You can be certain of that.

Back in 2004, I brought up similar issues with the wife of a colleague (I'm interested in this topic because my bloodtype A aunt died of diabetes 2 complications at the age of 64). In any case, she looked at me blankly when I remarked that it must be frustrating for her to treat her failing diabetes II patients when most people are nutritionally illiterate about the effects of diet and morever, are unmotivated to exercise in controlling their diabetes 2. She only happens to be one of Scandinavia's top clinical Professors in the area of diabetes 2. I was having dinner at her place and my remarks were casual, that is, neither probing nor critical of her in any way. She really didn't like the implications of my comments and I was surprised at the depth of her professional disdain.

(I bet you want to know what was on our dinner table? Lots of white potatoes and white bread, of course.)

Good luck in raising this with your doctors, Jenny.


Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 60 - 157
Possum
Saturday, January 30, 2010, 3:19am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh- Expluntherer... It means I'm an O...;-)
Ee Dan
Posts: 5,396
Gender: Female
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Age: 53
Oh My.... There is no hope then if even she didn't get it??!!!! Did she notice you avoiding the white death substances?
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 61 - 157
eh
Saturday, January 30, 2010, 3:22am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Sam Dan
Posts: 752
I've NEVER met a potato I didn't love to death, poss.


Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 62 - 157
Jenny
Saturday, January 30, 2010, 4:36am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swamied Warrior
Ee Dan
Posts: 1,771
Gender: Female
Location: Canberra, Australia
Age: 73
Maybe the potato feels the same about you Eh!



Eating half and exercising double.
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 63 - 157
Goldie
Saturday, January 30, 2010, 9:51pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

All Gatherer -70 Scorp/Sag on BTD/GENO 17 year
Sam Dan
Posts: 5,872
Gender: Female
Location: East Coast
Jenny.. Here I am found you and all the posts here.. I will read and fight my daemons..

and I am looking into the following even against my own advice in my signature,,.. ha-ha
but I want to know about the following:

How many are doing:
Cinnamon on BTG or GTD?
Fenugreek in food alone or supplements GTD or BTD?
Bitter melon?  
Turmeric??
any other natural supplements from NAP or others??


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 64 - 157
Jenny
Saturday, January 30, 2010, 11:15pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swamied Warrior
Ee Dan
Posts: 1,771
Gender: Female
Location: Canberra, Australia
Age: 73
Joli O, I imagine that all your respondents will have different answers to this question, based on which system and blood type they are.
For instance, cinnamon and turmeric are superfoods for me as a Swami Warrior, Bitter melon is  Best Avoided, Fenugreek--I don't know, it isn't listed. etc etc

What does your Genotype say about these things for you?

I am off all meds and supplements ( except for a thyroxine supplement for thyroid deficiency) and it is a wonderful break not to be swallowing all those things ...I used to take calcium, iron, Vit D, Vit C probiotics, etc etc. and may only go back to one or two of them if annual tests indicate the necessity. I used glycoscia from NAP for one course, but don't see the need any more. The only thing that matters to me is living my Swami lifestyle.(not fanatically of course) Life is good.



Eating half and exercising double.
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 65 - 157
Possum
Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:30am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh- Expluntherer... It means I'm an O...;-)
Ee Dan
Posts: 5,396
Gender: Female
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Age: 53
Life is good.
That's sooo great to hear Jenny!!!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 66 - 157
Goldie
Sunday, January 31, 2010, 7:17pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

All Gatherer -70 Scorp/Sag on BTD/GENO 17 year
Sam Dan
Posts: 5,872
Gender: Female
Location: East Coast
As Gatherer I need to look at the spices again on what is super beneficial and what is not.  

With being O Turmeric was Beneficial for diabetes, so was Fenugreek and Cinnamon. As Gatherer I am reluctant to give up what I know - until the next book on specific spices for Gatherers with diabetes comes out.  

The above spices where not to be found in the reg ER4YT for o's but was in the diabetes book.. and so far I have not found a place where all is grouped together by Geno types..

I will keep looking at this thread and read all entries from beginning to end and make notes pertaining to gatherers.

The other thing I will also do is, go line item through line item of the food list currently here.
I might find entries there on some substances that are diabetes specific - I found one for cancer - so there might be more.

AFTER the ER4YT came out I did the same and I loved the health Bible. I study every book from beginning to end. I study an vacation. I will do the same on finding all there is to know about food for diabetes.

The Tea idea is a good one but I don't like it without sugar.. tastes yakee..

but I am off caffeine for now and that is always a good thing.. I can usually manage for many month and then if I drink a cup 2 days in a row I am hooked again and need the 5 day suffering withdrawal.  but every time I last a little longer.. the issue is having caffeinated chocolate one day and forgetting and have coffee another day- its just tricky.  

    


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 67 - 157
Lola
Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:05pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,099
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 57
Quoted Text
so far I have not found a place where all is grouped together by Geno types..


consider neutral then, if following the gtd book recomendations

Quoted Text
I am reluctant to give up what I know - until the next book on specific spices for Gatherers with diabetes comes out.


that personalized book is already out!!
and for every issue not just diabetes
http://www.4yourtype.com/products.asp?dept=48
Quoted Text
SWAMI Xpress will use your own health profile to build a dynamic, one of a kind diet book that is right for you.


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 68 - 157
Jenny
Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 9:03am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swamied Warrior
Ee Dan
Posts: 1,771
Gender: Female
Location: Canberra, Australia
Age: 73
Time to sign in again, especially so that Mile High can take a gander;

I've had some pretty horrible surgery lately (varicose veins) and it has been next to impossible to exercise properly, but 3 weeks since the major work I am now back pounding the pavements. Eating got a bit out of hand, and I will restore myself to my rigid weekly swami program within days. Even if my 3 monthly readingtaken a few days ago is far from perfect I will persuade my doc. to allow me to re-tackle it with diet and exercise rather than medication.

Mile High, are you familiar with the specific BTD diabetes book?
http://www.4yourtype.com/products.asp?dept=48

By the way, my personalized Warrior swami program has restored bell peppers (and pimento which was already there) to neutral,  so I don't feel utterly deprived of nightshades.
Best regards, Jenny



Eating half and exercising double.
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 69 - 157
Cristina
Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 9:12am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SwamiX Explorer A2+; L(a-b+); MN,INFP, T/ R1b-M343
Ee Dan
Posts: 3,548
Gender: Female
Location: Sunny Coast,��QLD, Australia
Age: 63
Ho Jenny, nice to see you around again!  I am glad you are recovering well from your surgery!  All is well in Teacher land here as well!

Always looking forward to your wisdom!  




Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 70 - 157
Goldie
Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 11:27am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

All Gatherer -70 Scorp/Sag on BTD/GENO 17 year
Sam Dan
Posts: 5,872
Gender: Female
Location: East Coast
Gosh if the first post here so long ago was where I was at then (Sunday, January 31, 2010, 7:17pm) then I have come on enormously long way.. I mean I should be on my way to glowing diabetes health reports.. I will let you know next week..  

Since then I have learned to eat different again.. I took the which diet test and went back to BTD.. either diet I can live with - I like meat or turkey.  
I gave up coffee and I think this time its for good..
I learned to have broth and green leaves for morning meals (until 11:30)
I seem to be MUCH less hungry especially later in the day when I can still have the 'extra' meal -I am not counting the broth and green leaves as a calorie meal.
I gave up all sugar for 2-3 weeks and cravings changed to almost very little.
I gave up chocolate 99.9% and learned that I can live with that..
I discovered that if I eat about six prunes I have enough sweet stuff to make it through the day..
I feel that the prunes are really reducing my water retention.  
I gave up (so far) most sweet salad dressings, I eat veggies instead.
I eat one meal a week with a friend who had her belly lap installed and so I am cooking 3 oz for her.
I bought a 1.5 inch smaller fry pan for my needs and am cooking that much less for every meal. it works.
I learned recently that I could feel when my stomach said 'enough'.. but my mind was slow in getting the message, so
I learned of the need to drink 15-20 minutes before eating so that I don't stuff myself and feel uncomfortable from it.
I learned that I sleep much better when I am less stuffed - and somehow the prunes seem to help as I eat them cut into thirds' cold frozen, with some pieces of walnuts if I am in need of ice cream in the evening.. .
I am still look for some 'craving' foods but I am mostly able to handle it..
At least the fear factor of being hungry ( strictly emotional) has left me..

AND BEST of ALL!!!!!!! I found being here has helped me immensely!! THANKS ALL>>> THANKS you are part of my health regimen without which I would not have come so far... and

Lola, she makes me wonder how often she tells someone to jump into the water an do Swami.. so much patience and all the many links!! just fab..    

So Jenny:  I am glad you resurrected this old thread so I can look back  ...

But Jenny: I am sorry about your surgery, but now it is behind you.. so A good recovery for you!!!

May I ask why was it necessary?? my sis has big veins, and she hates the looks of them.. but has issues with narcotics, do all people with big veins need them fixed??

and I see that my own veins on the back of my legs and hands seem to become bigger as I age, do they keep getting bigger or are they just not able to be tight because there are things missing like sups and the like??  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 71 - 157
Jenny
Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 11:30am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Swamied Warrior
Ee Dan
Posts: 1,771
Gender: Female
Location: Canberra, Australia
Age: 73
Goldie,
My varicose veins have been part of my life since my first child 44 years ago...they were never painful really, but I finally decided to have a specialist look at them 6 months ago, and he said they were one of the worst he had seen, but would need an ultrasound to see how deep the problem was.. this showed up as serious vein damage and loss of utility in both legs and on one side of the pelvic area.. so the first round of surgery called angiography was used to disable the faulty pelvic vein..then a few weeks later I had the actual surgery on both legs which was the rather disabling part of the procedure...3 weeks later I can see the light, and am glad it was done, knowing that I now have fully functioning veins. I've just gone into this detail to show that you don't know whether you have a serious problem just by looking at the cosmetic detail, you need specialist investigations.
In a nutshell Mr Vascular Surgeon told me that in my case it was caused by pregnancy and heredity ( my father).
Interesting life experience.



Eating half and exercising double.
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 72 - 157
Andrea AWsec
Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 12:03pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI INFJ Warrior Taster
Kyosha Nim
Columnists and Bloggers
Posts: 7,678
Gender: Female
Location: Long Island, NY
Age: 51
Quoted from eh



Good luck in raising this with your doctors, Jenny.


You never know I just SWAMI'ed my first MD. He did remind me not to tell anyone about it, but he also sent someone else to me too. He told me that he has been paying attention to patients blood types and finds that the sick ones are A's, he is a cardiac anesthesiologist, so he looks at lots of blood types.

Docs might come kicking and screaming ( like babies having a tantrum) but people will ask for it eventually.



MIFHI

"Do not try to satisfy your vanity by teaching a great many things. Awaken people's curiosity. It is enough to open minds; do not overload them." Anatole France

"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
Logged
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 73 - 157
MileHighRob
Thursday, May 20, 2010, 2:45am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Pescetarian - Warrior
Ee Dan
Posts: 665
Gender: Male
Location: Colorful Colorado
Age: 54
Thanks for reviving this thread Jenny.  Yes, I just got the Diabetes BTD book recently.

I wish I could locate a converter to see how your Australian units measure up to our U.S. numbers.  Somehow I think my condition may not have escalated as highly as yours might have.  

I do, however, believe I've been battling this undiagnosed for a decade or longer now that I've got a handle on the blood glucose monitoring via finger pricking.  I can closely predict what my numbers will be prior to testing just from how I'm feeling at the time.  I know I experienced many of these same symptoms for years now.  

I remember talking with a close friend prior to getting my lab results back and she suggested that if my glucose numbers came back in the diabetic range then I'd most likely have to be on medication.  She reminded me how I was already doing everything possible diet and exercise wise to control sugar levels.  When she told me "If someone as healthy as you gets diabetic fasting numbers then you'll just have to accept the fact that you're going to need meds to control it".  I was devastated by the words she spoke and the sheer idea of taking medication on an ongoing basis.  

Fortunately, I found the ER4YT lifestyle and learned there were beneficial foods that I could eat more of and that some of the foods I was eating were actually poisoning me.  By merely incorporating the goods and eliminating the bads I've thus far managed to avoid medication.  

The journey continues and I'm feel comforted to know I've found a new family of loving, caring individuals that are willing to hold my hand, guide me and offer all the support I could possibly need to fight this battle.  
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 74 - 157
7 Pages « 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 » All Recommend Thread
Print Print Thread

BTD Forums    Diet and Nutrition    The GenoType Diet  ›  Diabetes control

Thread Rating
There is currently no rating for this thread