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Mayflowers
Sunday, October 5, 2008, 5:03pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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How many of you are using 1% cow's milk?  In the avoids list,
it says Milk, skim, whole and 2%...what about 1%? I think 1% is a neutral! I'm going to try it and see if it effects me.
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How many of you are using 1% cow's milk?  In the avoids list,
it says Milk, skim, whole and 2%...what about 1%? I think 1% is a neutral! I'm going to try it and see if it effects me.


If skim and 2% are both avoids, I am 99.9% (or more) certain that 1% will be an avoid as well!  

I think the only way we Warriors can have the milk solids is when they are freshly cultured.


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If 1% should be an avoid, it would be listed. Dr. D is well aware that 1% milk is sold right along side 2% milk, skim and whole milk and he would have listed it that way. I believe it's neutral..Until he tells me otherwise..Unless of course it was another typo in the book, but it's not on my SWAMI either. He was careful to put "Beef" on my red meat avoids.  
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Diana, sounds like you're stretching your luck.

What I want to know is if it's okay for an A to drink raw milk.  I would like Dr. D to test that.  Raw milk is very different from homogenized milk.


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I know, isn't it fun!?  
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testing, testing....this is only a test.....
can you guys have goat's milk? I've never tried it but I love goat cheese.
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Maybe you could try 1/2% milk, too, since it's also unlisted.
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1% milk is not listed for any GenoType.

So I think the best we can say is that 1% milk was not test/evaluated for any GenoType.

Now the book does indicate that not listed foods can be treated as neutral.

I know how my body would react if I were to drink milk (Skim, 1%, 2%, whole would make no differnece to me). Since I have no desire indigestion, flatulance, and a headache I am not going to choose to consume milk in any form.

However, if others think that it might suit their body, one could buy a small amount and see how your body reacts to it.



  


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Dr. D left room for common sense in interpretation of the lists. There will never be a master list that contains every possible food. Personal responsibility is the key, as with any diet. Dr D never intended to look over your shoulder while you make your food choices, he is only offering a guide.

How a person chooses to follow the guidelines is completely up to them. I would however caution any other Warriors that a liberal interpretation of 1% milk flies in the face of reason. The same applies to all types for similar situations.
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Quoted from 815
How many of you are using 1% cow's milk?  In the avoids list,
it says Milk, skim, whole and 2%...what about 1%? I think 1% is a neutral! I'm going to try it and see if it effects me.


What do you get when you mix skim milk and 2% milk?  
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Quoted from Lloyd


What do you get when you mix skim milk and 2% milk?  


As I previously mentioned, Dr. D could easily have listed 1% milk along with the rest of them. Why? If I get the chance I'll ask him. And the fact that it wasn't on my SWAMI, leads me to agree with C#. But, I'll see how I do. If I don't feel well, I'll stop using it.
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Maybe you could try 1/2% milk, too, since it's also unlisted.


I've never seen 1/2% milk..Are you joking?
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Quoted from 815


I've never seen 1/2% milk..Are you joking?


No kidding.
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sort of reminds me of the potato question that keeps coming up.  'it says white with skin, does that mean we can have xxxx potato?'

I guess the bottom line is you can HAVE whatever you want.  If you want to be well, you make the best choices for your body.  Looking for foods that you know are probably not good but aren't listed in the exact way you think they should be so that must mean you can have them...doesn't make sense to me if my goal is to be well.  I'm just sayin'...

But hey, if I was 108...I'd eat whatever I wanted!   Do you miss milk that much?  As someone who has not consumed milk in many years, I have trouble getting that *lol*...it just does not have the appeal it did when I was a kid.  


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But raw milk is different.  Even my brother, who has been allergic to milk since we were little, can drink raw milk without getting so much as a sniffly nose.

Diana's playing with fire.  Or diarrhea as the case may be.


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sort of reminds me of the potato question that keeps coming up.  'it says white with skin, does that mean we can have xxxx potato?'Do you miss milk that much?


What other potato is there besides white with skin? Even if the skin is red or blue, the inside is still white...I also have sweet potatoes, and yams listed as an avoid so that covers that. I don't even like potatoes that much..I do love sweet potatoes which I understand are not related to white potatoes.  

With milk, I'm not actually a big milk lover but I was thinking for the calcium. I don't think I'm getting enough and even with greens. I take a supplement but there was a study on post M women taking calcium supplements increased their risk of ca.

Ribbit can you direct me to mountain yams? They are a neutral for me. I don't know where to find them.. You seem to know these things...
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Mountain yams?  They probably grow up there where you are.     I was hiking up Mount Mitchell with my brother once upon a time and we found some wild yams.  We also found olive trees.  Yeah....in the wild.  

So if I peel the potatoes can I eat them?  After all, Dr. D didn't actually list "potatoes, white, without skin."  Doesn't that make them neutral?

I'm joking.  Don't throw spears.


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Oook. Never mind. I thought maybe you knew..  

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I don't use 1% or any milk......I don't really like milk....When I crave dairy, I'd rather have full fat yogurt...

For creamer in coffee or grain beverages soymilk tastes fine to me.





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Phlegm.. and milk go hand and hand for this A Warrior.
  
Uncultured dairy in any form gives me post nasal drip for a week.
Why is milk an avoid for A's? Here it is from the typebase.
Milk Nonfat.. which would include 1%.. and all its relatives.
TYPE A:Secretor:
AVOID: Flocculates serum or precipitates serum proteins. Inhibits proper gastric function or blocks assimilation.

Non Secretor:
AVOID: Flocculates serum or precipitates serum proteins. Inhibits proper gastric function or blocks assimilation.


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Quoted from jayneeo
can you guys have goat's milk? I've never tried it but I love goat cheese.

The list indicates that goat's milk is an avoid for Warriors.



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A's don't need anything to block our absorption ( as milk does see typebase) we have enough trouble with that as it is, especially as we age.


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I think he states slim and 2% as avoids so I think anything inbetween the two are avoids.  I think there's not much difference in them just a little more skimming from the top.
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Just another Warrior to weigh in on this one - since I was accidentally mistyped as Teacher and spent a couple of months "enjoying" Teacher superfood cheeses my body ran out of get-up-and-go.  I was noticing that I really wasn't enjoying the cheese but continued eating it.  The Gouda/Salmon mac and cheese was quite nice, but I digress so.

My father got to take home all my cheese and even my wonderful new cheese grater - I miss them not.  

I do enjoy Kefir very very much - I have to restrain myself to keep a serving to a cup.  I buy the plain.  For all my other milk "needs" I make almond milk.

I would think that anything in a jug at the store they sell for milk is pretty much not much use for anyone for a variety of reasons.  I also would love to see results of raw milk testing.


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How do we get Dr. D to test raw milk?  I'd be willing to bet  the status would be different.


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Raw milk may very well test differently...  

I spent the first 18 years of my life drinking lots of raw cow's and goat's milk.  Of course, since my diet was 90% avoids, who knows how much I hurt because of it...


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for my teatimes I use 0,1% fatty milk, here the issue of
lactose also is not that toughy


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I usually don't drink milk at all. It has made me sick through the years, and its a little expensive. However, In our city you can get milk that is local(i.e. in kansas) and it comes in glass bottles. It Doesn't make me sick at all. On the dairy's website it mentions how plastics leach. Glass does not. Hmmm... any thoughts?
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Is it raw?


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Nope, it is pasturized, like all the rest.
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I wonder if the pasteurized milk is cooled before it's put into plastic jugs or if it's poured in hot and then cooled.  I know heating plastic causes a lot more chemicals to leach out.


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