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BA1984
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how do you know which one is more appropriate for you? I'm confused. i know one is btd and other other one bt is only a factor.

can someone please clarify for me?
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the test is on the blog dated 25th Jan. That should guide you..


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BTD: Align you to genes.
GTD: Align genes to you.

Blood type diet aligns us to our genes.

Genotype diet allows us to begin to alter our genetic tendencies.


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You can begin with either, and make improvements in your overall health.  

BTD will help you to deal with the body you have. It will help you deal with health problems and shorten illness, and manage (possibly curing diseases).

GTD is more powerful, when it comes to affecting your genetic predisposition to diseases, in that it actually shifts the balance in your favor.  You may actually be able to bypass diseases that you have inherited the weakness for.

I found a longer adjustment period when I switched to the GTD 9 months ago, than I did when I switched to the BTD 9 years ago.  But once I made the adjustment, the changes in my health for the better were absolutely dramatic!



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I did the test, and it said that I should go towards GTD, not 100% but by over 50% than BTD, so I'll see how the GTD goes.
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on another note, how come GTD is supposed to be better for weightloss than BTD? is there a way to combin it all together?
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In my case, GT1 has given my thrifty metabolism a jump start, with the addition of a selected variety of specific low glycemic grains and one important addition of dairy in the form of paneer, which makes my body finally let go of stored fat, it didn t want to let go of, in the past!

this is what I believe happens to most GTs following their guidelines, and thus the reason for the pound shedding.

The body doesn t feel deprived and lets go more easily.

Decide which system you want to follow and stick with it for a certain time, giving your body a chance to reset itself.


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i'll have to go back and compare the ERYT diabetes to GTD. How do others combine their diets? or do they just go to one or the other?
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try this approach....
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Genotype trumps the BTD.  This was in response to a question about trying to combine both diets, and could a person eat genotype toxins if they were blood type beneficials.  His answer seemed to be that you could eat blood type avoids that were genotype superfoods, but you should not eat genotype toxins just because they were blood type beneficials.  This is
if you are trying to follow both diets.


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When I was following the BTD, I would eat exclusively from one or another of the Health Series books, if I was working on a specific condition at any given time.  Otherwise, I stayed with the lists in LR4YT.

After being on the GTD, I seem to be just staying with it, because it is working so well for me.  But if I had some life-threatening disease and wanted to work with the corresponding book, I would probably choose foods from that book that are either superfoods or at least neutral on my GTD.  

But for me, the real power comes in sticking mostly with the Diamonds and Superfoods, with Neutral used to fill in the variety.  Too much of the neutral foods will water down the progress.  I feel that way about the BTD also.  If a person really wants to stay with the BTD, the real power is in the Beneficials, and the Neutrals are just for variety.

It's best to not jump back and forth any more than necessary, or we risk not getting the benefits of any of the programs.



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When I was on the BTD, following the beneficials in LR4T, my tastes were moving more toward the GTD...  I didn't know it until the book coame out, but once I read the book and determined my Genotype, the diet I had progressed to was almost spot on...  Since being on the GTD since January, I have been healing much faster and can eat a very restricted diet without craving toxin foods.  I rarely eat anything other than Superfoods and am really satisfied.  

I can't exercise as much as recommended and need to rest quite a bit due to the detox / healing, but I expect that to change as I get healthier...


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I've had a couple of days of GTD, and it does feel a bit better, but I don't feel like I can exercise a lot. I think theres a bit of cleansing, like you all say.
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I tried the gatherer diet for about 6 or 7 months.  I just about had to live on Correctol!  When I decided to return to the O-Nonnie way of eating, I no longer need any laxative.  That speaks tons by itself.  It would seem that my intestines work better on the O Nonnie diet.  I did not dislike the GTD, and I do worry a little that maybe I will get some dread disease because I am not eating for a Gatherer, but we can't predict the future.  I surely am helping my body prepare for aging by following the BTD.


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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BA, if you already know your GT, why not add it to your signature line or under your shield?

that would make it easier to help you out.

meribelle, individuality is key here.....
I had the exact opposite effect following GT2.
It feels so right and my gut is the happiest!


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That is what concerns me about the Gatherer diet--so many of my staple veggies are off limits now!  I was very regular on the Nomad diet, but maybe that was just because of all the sugary fruits, the sugar being sort of a stimulant.
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BA, if you already know your GT, why not add it to your signature line or under your shield?

that would make it easier to help you out.

meribelle, individuality is key here.....
I had the exact opposite effect following GT2.
It feels so right and my gut is the happiest!


I don't know how
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That is what concerns me about the Gatherer diet--so many of my staple veggies are off limits now!  I was very regular on the Nomad diet, but maybe that was just because of all the sugary fruits, the sugar being sort of a stimulant.


It can be challenging to adapt to the Gatherer diet in the beginning since so many of the commonly eaten foods are not included in it.  But I have seen that it is one which brings stunning results, once you find a way to work with it.  

I have noticed my daughter changing the way she used to approach foods.  For example, she used to start the day with a big fruit smoothie, as I do.  Now her smoothie contains nothing sweet.  It contains homemade almond milk (We believe that homemade is acceptable, since there are no toxins in it), a big helping of freshly ground chia seeds and flax seeds, lecithin, ARA6, a squirt of Proberry liquid and a little chlorella.  She blends this until it is creamy and thick and has come to love it.  There is some protein and a good source of fiber.  



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BA1984,
in member center left margin, you can choose where you want to add a signature or whatever changes you want to do to your avatar settings.
make sure you hit the save button when you are done.

here are some visual changes to guide you
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1219018887/


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I didn't realize how much I crave sugar I was until I started the Gatherer diet.  I was getting my sugar from honey, fruit, and fruit juice, all of which are "healthy" sources, but it was sugar nonetheless.  I need to remember that advice to eat protein when craving carbs!
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I didn't realize how much I crave sugar I was until I started the Gatherer diet.  I was getting my sugar from honey, fruit, and fruit juice, all of which are "healthy" sources, but it was sugar nonetheless.  I need to remember that advice to eat protein when craving carbs!


Craving sugar may be a sign of candida wanting to be fed.  So, it would seem like an indication that the Gatherer diet could be better for you.
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Craving sugar may be a sign of candida wanting to be fed.  So, it would seem like an indication that the Gatherer diet could be better for you.

Very true.  And there's no doubt about the candida; it's on my tongue!
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  Still?  Are you taking chlorophyll?


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Nope, no chlorophyll, but I am taking chlorella.

I had beaten it nearly into submission at the end of June (after a 3-week low-carb stint), but then I went on the Nomad diet, and all the sugary fruits and rice have resurrected it.  The good news is, on the Gatherer diet, my tongue is quickly clearing up again.

I have to say something good about the Nomad diet, though: believing I was a Nomad got me to go gluten-free back in January, and now, FINALLY, I can eat eggs again!   I just ate them again last Saturday, Sunday, and yesterday with no ill effects.  It has been a few months since I tried them.  I guess my gut is nearly healed!  I think I will reintroduce small amounts of SF gluten foods later on, such as Ezekiel bread or barley.

The Gatherer diet is doing something.  The sugar cravings are tapering off, and the less-sweet things on my diet like grapefruit are tasting better.  I am starting to get things done again (i.e. motivation and energy).
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Craving sugar may be a sign of candida wanting to be fed.  So, it would seem like an indication that the Gatherer diet could be better for you.
Interesting. My husband has strong cravings for sweets of the avoid kind that don't seem to be going away on the Gatherer diet. I don't know much about candida. What other signs could there be? I know there is a huge candida thread here somewhere, think I'll go dig it up and read through.



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Drive, that is just somethin' else.  Wow.  Chlorophyll makes your body more alkaline.  Chlorella is different.  I'd get some liquid chlorophyll (mint flavor so it's edible).


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Once my daughter stopped yelling and kicking   and accepted the Gatherer diet, she first noticed how her cravings started disappearing and her tastes changed.  For the first time, she was tasting the subtle flavors of foods, and did not feel that she had to load on sweet tastes.

She said to tell you gatherers that some things that have helped her are eating a couple of 1/2 C servings of millet every day, and not eating fruits early in the day.  Also, get enough protein from the superfood lists, and eat a hefty portion of cooked greens with your meat.  Her current favorite protein sources are buffalo, lamb and wild salmon.

She said that fruits are a treacherous road for Gatherers.  It seems to be necessary to eat some in order to avoid the cravings for sweets, however most spike her blood sugar.  She is having the best luck right by eating Goji berries.  During the hot weather, she was doing well on watermelon, but it doesn't seem to balance her since the weather has turned colder.



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I wish one could do both the Gatherer and the O-Nonnie at the same time and have the best of both worlds....... Sigh. That is impossible, I know.


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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I have half a cup each daily of papaya, pineapple, watermelon with seeds, guava, to that I add a dollop of homemade paneer, and add all the grains and seeds to that.....amaranth, almond, linseed, chia, pumpkin seeds and walnuts....about a Tbs of each......cravings have become a thing of the past, .....I also drizzle some grape seed oil.....
sulphur-containing protein to transport oxygen into cells as in
The Budwig Diet....


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A dollup of paneer?  Around here paneer is more the consistency of tofu.  How do you get yours to dollup?


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real compact and thick......I spoon it out of the collander once it s done......if I left it longer with a weight on it, I m sure it would have a tofu like consistency.......


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Lola, do you make your paneer with hot milk/lemon juice?  I would like to try it with goat milk.


Those fruits sound heavenly!  Unfortunately, it's already turning into cold, wet, stormy weather up here in Oregon, and somehow they seem like summer fruits to us.  I'd like to find a good cooked fruit idea for a young Gatherer to eat.  She doesn't enjoy the watermelon and pineapple since the weather changed.



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yes, turn the milk off before it boils.....let cool, add the juice, let separate......before going to bed, drain in the fridge.

peaches perhaps?


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I wish one could do both the Gatherer and the O-Nonnie at the same time and have the best of both worlds....... Sigh. That is impossible, I know.


Many people do combine the BTD and the GTD to a certain extent.  My understanding is that the genotype diet must be considered first, in this case.  You could bring in all the foods you want from the O nonnie diet as long as they are GTD superfoods or at least neutrals.  O nonnie beneficials that are genotype neutrals would seem like a good way to add variety to your diet.

O nonnie beneficials that are genotype black dots might be a better choice than genotype black dots that are O nonnie avoids.  This is just my opinion here.  And I stay away from black dots anyway unless I am in a place with no choices.  In that case, I would evaluate it in this way.

I would not want to eat a genotype toxin no matter what it was on my blood type food list.  



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peaches . . . hmmmm. . . .

hot peach compote, with some currants thrown in for good measure!  

(good idea Lola)


p.s.  I'm nearly ready for sleep.  What time is it down there?



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almost midnight......I ll be going to bed too!


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I may try combining the two diets.  I don't even know where my genotype book is, I'm ashamed to say.


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Get hold of a genotype food list, Meribelle.  Remember if you combine the diets, genotype trumps the BTD lists (until we hear otherwise from the great Dr. D).



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Hot peach compote sweetened with agave, flavored with a tidbit of vanilla and nutmeg.  Topped with plain yogurt.....


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no yogurt for my B non-secreting Gatherer daughter.  

That's part of why she was so resistant!  Gatherers approach dairy more like a type O.



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talking for all gatherers here......who needs yogurt if we get paneer!! not in my wildest dreams did I imagine ever having a dairy become diamond, and home made to boot!


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I hope you will let us know how the goat milk paneer comes out, Victoria! As a gatherer, who's an O, I do fine on goat cheeses, (black dots), and sheep cheeses, Manchego, but the cow milk farmer's cheese gave me a lot of gas...(.I loved it though, while eating it!) Maybe I just have to get used to it.
I know the black dot cheeses are probably keeping my weight loss very slow...
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I "officially" started Gatherer on Sunday, and I'm happy to say that after brushing my teeth and tongue this morning (with baking soda--no more toothpaste for me!), the white coating was gone!  In less than a week!!!!  I still have the red bumps where it's still living under the skin, and I expect it will continue coming back a little after eating, but before today, even brushing my tongue wouldn't get all the thrush off.  A new day has dawned!

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she first noticed how her cravings started disappearing and her tastes changed.  For the first time, she was tasting the subtle flavors of foods, and did not feel that she had to load on sweet tastes.

I've noticed the same thing.  My sweet tooth is finally relenting.

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O nonnie beneficials that are genotype black dots might be a better choice than genotype black dots that are O nonnie avoids.  This is just my opinion here.  And I stay away from black dots anyway unless I am in a place with no choices.  In that case, I would evaluate it in this way.

I would not want to eat a genotype toxin no matter what it was on my blood type food list.

I think this is a good approach.  I'm continuing to avoid the few B-nonnie avoids that aren't toxins or occasionals on GTD.  I hope that if/when I do GTD SWAMI, I'll get some dairy and veggies back, but the fruit selection makes sense to me as it is.  Honestly, I wonder why papaya is allowed, and I bet pineapple is only good because of the bromelain.
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papayine is also a great digestive aid.....
it is present in meat tenderizer!


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Drive, good to hear that things are going so well for you!


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Drive,
My dear daughter is glad to hear that you are feeling better, and are making friends with the gatherer program!  She said when you are craving sweets, try some unsweetened cocoa powder mixed with some dried fruit that is superfood.  She found some unsweetened dried raspberries, and uses a mortar/pestle kind of thing to crush the dried berries together with the cocoa.



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Drive - good news - keep us keep us informed of your progress.  
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No way, Drive!  That's fantastic!  Who would have thought?  A skinny Gatherer.  Maybe you'll gain some much-needed weight now.  Looks like the GTD will help you get a handle on the Candida just like it helped me.

Elizabeth hugged me goodnight and said, "I love my new diet, Mama.  Honey is good for me."  Hurray!


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Those fruits sound heavenly!  Unfortunately, it's already turning into cold, wet, stormy weather up here in Oregon, and somehow they seem like summer fruits to us.  I'd like to find a good cooked fruit idea for a young Gatherer to eat.  She doesn't enjoy the watermelon and pineapple since the weather changed.


I too went off those summery-fruits this winter..I cooked up apricots in winter and ate with ricotta and cocoa powder drizzled with maple and cinnamon- tell her to get into this, very satisfying winter fruit.

ps.Nuts toasted up make a great addition to any baked or stewed fruit
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Elizabeth hugged me goodnight and said, "I love my new diet, Mama.  Honey is good for me."  Hurray!

That's awesome!  I wish I could say the same.  If I'd been listening to my body I'd have known honey WASN'T good for ME...or the strawberries, cherries, grapes, apples, or blackberries.

I bought some dried cranberries from WF, and they were extremely sour.  I reconstituted them in pineapple juice, and they are still a bit much in my oat bran.

I am thrilled to have cocoa back.  I mixed some cocoa, xylitol, and soy lecithin with water to make a thin chocolate sauce--too thin, but still a nice way to add flavor to my cottage cheese.

I tried some of my oat bran tonight without anything to sweeten it.  I've been using xylitol and molasses.  It wasn't so bad, just needed salt and more butter than usual.  I did add molasses anyway, but less than usual, and no xylitol.  This is great!
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welcome to the scrawny B gatherer clan Drive    tho, I think I am finally filling out in some spots-not allot but I sure I have gained a few ..will have to check one day, must be the mac oil and pecans?  

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Drive, good for you that you found the right fit! Which of your measurements were tricky..?

In our local scene, almost all of the O Nonnies are scrawy gatherers. Squirrel will attest to this, although scrawny may not be the exact word used for the women. Willowy comes to mind


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Yes.  Willowy.  Slim.  Slender.  Tawny.  There are better words for a scrawny lady.

Well, I know I posted this before on the GTD testimonials thread, but Elizabeth has responded beautifully to the Explorer diet.  Honey doesn't give her red eye circles anymore.  That's really exciting to me.  SHe can't wait to try cheese again, but I'm making her stay very compliant for at least a few weeks' stretch before I try anything like dairy again.  She ate her brother's pancake last week without realizing it had eggs in it and only had a mild reaction---that's an improvement!!!

She misses things like strawberries, and every once in a while I forget and give her a fruit she shouldn't have, but overall this is going pretty well.  We discovered that cherrimoya tastes like bananas.  We have a new song we sing.  It's to the tune of "What Do You Do With a Drunken Sailor?" except it's "What Do You Do With a Cherrimoya?" because when I first bought one I hadn't a clue.  I still don't have a clue.  I run it through the juicer with other odds and ends and she drinks it.  I'm wondering if I can use it in place of bananas in banana bread.


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welcome to the scrawny B gatherer clan Drive    tho, I think I am finally filling out in some spots-not allot but I sure I have gone from 60kg to at least 62..will have to check one day, must be the mac oil and pecans?  

I haven't seen any significant change or filling out.  I'd been seeing 132 on the scale for a while, now it's right on 130.  Are you filling out in the right places?

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Drive, good for you that you found the right fit! Which of your measurements were tricky..?

Fingers, for sure.

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Willowy comes to mind

Yes, willowy is good.

I wonder if I'll see my body temperature increase now.  Last night it was 97.2.

Ribbit, I don't think I've even seen a cherimoya!  Did you find them at WF?  They are good for me too, and heaven knows we Gatherers have few fruits available to us.
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Nope, no chlorophyll, but I am taking chlorella.

I had beaten it nearly into submission at the end of June (after a 3-week low-carb stint), but then I went on the Nomad diet, and all the sugary fruits and rice have resurrected it.  The good news is, on the Gatherer diet, my tongue is quickly clearing up again.


Maybe garden of life fungal defense would help?

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Ribbit, I don't think I've even seen a cherimoya!  Did you find them at WF?  They are good for me too, and heaven knows we Gatherers have few fruits available to us.


Same with the poor Explorers.  I found it along with guava at the international farmer's market.  I also got 100% (no sugar) pomegranet juice for her.


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Oh, maybe I have seen those at WF.  They do look familiar.  I probably noticed the price and promptly forgot about them.
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I too went off those summery-fruits this winter..I cooked up apricots in winter and ate with ricotta and cocoa powder drizzled with maple and cinnamon- tell her to get into this, very satisfying winter fruit.

ps.Nuts toasted up make a great addition to any baked or stewed fruit


Oh, there's not much better than apricots!  Dear daughter doesn't care for them, and I cannot understand this perspective.  

Turkish apricots are my favorite dessert, just one or two a day.



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Thanks Lola for that link.....have only now just realised that we call them custard apples!  
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glad it helped!


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oh, apricots! and my cancerian son canned a bunch of them off his tree this summer...!!!! With farmer's cheese!! mmm.
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Thanks Lola for that link.....have only now just realised that we call them custard apples!  


A-ha! solved for me too now.
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Wow, Lola.  It says you should peel them because the peeling can cause numbness.  I peeled Elizabeth's just because it seemed the best thing to do--I'm glad I did!


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Nope, no chlorophyll, but I am taking chlorella.

I had beaten it nearly into submission at the end of June (after a 3-week low-carb stint), but then I went on the Nomad diet, and all the sugary fruits and rice have resurrected it.  The good news is, on the Gatherer diet, my tongue is quickly clearing up again.

I have to say something good about the Nomad diet, though: believing I was a Nomad got me to go gluten-free back in January, and now, FINALLY, I can eat eggs again!   I just ate them again last Saturday, Sunday, and yesterday with no ill effects.  It has been a few months since I tried them.  I guess my gut is nearly healed!  I think I will reintroduce small amounts of SF gluten foods later on, such as Ezekiel bread or barley.

The Gatherer diet is doing something.  The sugar cravings are tapering off, and the less-sweet things on my diet like grapefruit are tasting better.  I am starting to get things done again (i.e. motivation and energy).


Drive once I asked if when you started BTD did you do a 'detox liver protocols' ???? to clean all avoids from your ice cream and fast food that you ate for many years
You can feel the health change sooner with detox supp.



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I read in an earlier post on this thread that a gatherer should eat 1/2 cup of millet twice a day.  How does one cook millet?


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the cherimoya
we cut it in half and scoop out the inside with a spoon like you would a sapote or a mamey.....like pudding!

millet, I soak it overnight, drain it and add fresh water, put it to boil, like rice.


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Here is how I cook millet:

Pour 1 Cup dry millet into a wire mesh strainer and rinse well under cold running water.  Drain for a few minutes, shaking to speed things up.

Heat a skillet to medium low.  Add the rinsed millet and stir with a narrow spatula.  Keep stirring until water has evaporated and milled starts to make little popping sounds.  Keep stirring until grain begins to emit a slightly nutty, roasted smell.  Remove from heat before the color darkens.

Add roasted millet to a saucepan which has 3 1/4 to 3 1/2 Cups Water and salt to taste (1/2 tsp or so).  Cover with a tight-fitting lid.  

Bring to just under a boil, reduce heat to simmer and let cook for 20 minutes.  

Shut heat and let pot sit undisturbed for at least 15 more minutes.  Don't remove the lid at any point during the cooking or steeping.

This is more water than I would use to cook rice, but to my taste, millet is better when cooked soft.  The grains can be crunchy if less water is used.



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the cherimoya
we cut it in half and scoop out the inside with a spoon like you would a sapote or a mamey.....like pudding!

millet, I soak it overnight, drain it and add fresh water, put it to boil, like rice.


Lola, when you soak it, do you keep refrigerated or just anywhere?

Also, what amount of water do you use with a cup of millet if it has been soaked?  Seems like you wouldn't need as much, but I don't know.


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I leave it on the counter......

I cook it as I do rice......I have no exact measurements.....


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Drive once I asked if when you started BTD did you do a 'detox liver protocols' ???? to clean all avoids from your ice cream and fast food that you ate for many years
You can feel the health change sooner with detox supp.

I am taking milk thistle, but nothing else particularly targeted at the liver.

I find millet a bit strong and alkaline tasting to me.  I just cooked it like rice, and it was too mushy.  Does this roasting mellow the taste?
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sapote or a mamey



Never seen those.  Do they have English translations, or would that be their names at a market here?  Do you know, Lola?


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I find millet a bit strong and alkaline tasting to me.  I just cooked it like rice, and it was too mushy.  Does this roasting mellow the taste?


It should not be mushy, only soft and fluffy.  It sounds like there was a little too much water, or maybe it was not cooked long enough.  You should be able to fluff it up with a spoon after it has set for it's 15 to 20 minutes with the lid still on, after it has cooked.  If it is mushy and heavy, some more experimenting is in order.  A good quality sea salt is pretty important for flavor also.

I think roasting makes all the difference, but I'm the only person I know who goes to the trouble.  Oh, I think Accidental Chef dry-roasts all her grains.  I even roast basmati rice.

By the way, millet is the most alkaline of all the grains!



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Thanks Lola for that link.....have only now just realised that we call them custard apples!  


Good to know that it is, after all custard apples! Grows all over the place in the tropics! Neutral for Hunters & Nomads.

And Mamey Sapote is known here as Sapotta, or in Malay Chiku. Superfoods for Hunters & Nomads.



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I gotta try soaking it.  Because it doesn't seem to sit well with my how I've prepared it in the past.


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Yeah, millet felt a little weird in my stomach too.
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Sorry you guys don't care for the millet.  

One way to eat it is to mix it with another cooked grain.



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Millet has to wash well before cooking, as Victoria explained.
Sometimes the brand can make the difference,
For me, millet is a excellent food for my stomach


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hhmm b.... millet ....beurx-beurx.....you see not one nonnie is similar to the other .... ....


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I cooked some millet last night and rinsed it thoroughly before cooking, and I ate some of it this morning.  I like the taste better when rinsed.  My stomach didn't rebel either!  Not that it truly rebelled before, but this morning it felt perfectly settled with the millet.

I don't know what brand this is, because I got it from the bulk aisle a WF.
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I cook the millet till it's real nice and soft.  And yes, I do rinse it first.  I rinse rice, lentils, beans, quinoa....  It's amazing the amount of dirt and other stuff that rinses off that you otherwise would be eating.  Not that I'm against eating a certain amount of dirt, but still.


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and guys, salt and ghee makes it much tastier, or at least evoo.
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I cooked a cup of millet in the rice cooker after rinsing.  After cooking and letting it sit in the cooker undisturbed for 20 minutes, and added 1/2 stick of butter and a 1/4 tsp of sea salt.  It could have used more salt.  The millet I ate this morning was mixed into a scrambled egg.  It went nicely with the egg's flavor.
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I always rinsed mine.  That didn't seem to help me I don't think.  I have to try soaking it though.  Plus, I have to see if my son will eat it.  I haven't seen if it's good for him.  And my B daughter!!!!!  And my wife.  I don't think she'll like it as much as quinoa though!


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  The millet I ate this morning was mixed into a scrambled egg.  It went nicely with the egg's flavor.


It sounds delicious , I'll do it the same,
I usually mixed with vegetables and turkey (like coscus) but at lunch!!!

TJ I glad that you can eat eggs, be carefull with eggs with hormones  


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I'm eating soft-cooked millet with scrambled eggs, even as we speak!



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TJ I glad that you can eat eggs, be carefull with eggs with hormones  

I buy free-range eggs.  I think that helps.  Eggs are already so cheap, this is one food I can afford to "upgrade".  I have missed my eggs sorely.  For a cheapskate like me to be deprived of such a cost-effective source of high-quality protein is a tragedy....

Seeing as my egg sensitivity is no more, I'm taking that as a sign that my gut has healed up.  With that in mind, I decided to try some gluten grains that are SF for Gatherers.  I bought amaranth and pearled barley at WF today.  I wanted hulled barley but they were all out!

I cooked a bowl of amaranth porridge and ate it about 15 minutes ago.  I tried cooking it in the microwave like oat bran, but since it's a whole grain it took much longer to cook.  I think I should have used 4:1 water instead of 3:1, and cooked it longer, but it was still good as it was.

Has anyone "popped" amaranth?  I stumbled across the suggestion while looking for directions to cook it.  I used to love popcorn--but then, who wouldn't: simple carbs soaked in melted butter and coated with salt?  Despite my love of popcorn, I quit eating it long before I discovered BTD, because the hulls would shred my throat eating only a handful.

I am pleasantly surprised at how much grain I can eat now, and still make such progress killing off the yeast (if my tongue is any indicator of how the yeast is faring elsewhere).

Tomorrow, I think I'll try cooking some barley.  Any suggestions?
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Do the other grains pop like corn?  I haven't tried.  I thought to "puff" them they had to be under pressure, not just heated.  But maybe to pop them you just heat till they start jumping.   Try it and let us know.


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I am pleasantly surprised at how much grain I can eat now,


I am, too!!!


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I guess the popping will have to wait.  I made more porridge this morning out of the rest of the amaranth...on the stove, this time, and it turned out better!
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Drive, I had good luck making brown basmati rice and amaranth together in the rice cooker and everyone loved it! I forget the water ratio but I think I used 2 to 1 water for the the whole bit.
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My son loves popped amaranth with soja milk or oats milk ,
he usually takes it for breakfast and some rye bread with sardines!!!
then he'is already to run all the morning at school


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Hmm, in the rice cooker you say?  Great idea!

I will not have use of my roommate's rice cooker much longer, since we won't be roommates much longer.  I have got to get myself one of those things.  It has been the most useful small kitchen appliance I've used.
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Where do you get amaranth?  Supposedly it's beneficial for AB's and I'd like to try it.


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I'll mail you a container if you like.


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Where do you get amaranth?  



Outpost Natural Foods has it. It is in bulk foods (Dispenser #81).

2826 S. Kinnickinnic Avenue
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I got my amaranth from Whole Foods.

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Wow, losing another roommate so soon?

Yep, he's moving back to Utah to be near family.  So I'm planning to move back to New Bern to be near MY family!
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TJ I glad that you can eat eggs, be carefull with eggs with hormones  


Hormones are banned in chickens in the US.  But we have to watch out for antibiotics, and arsenic in the chicken feed.  Organic is always better

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Yes,  the chicken feed is a problem   we have too be carefull !!
Eggs is a good source of amino.



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TJota,
I'm curious with your new GT,
now are you eating cheeses , dairy ???or not????  


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I'm eating butter, cream, and cottage cheese.  I have some Monterey Jack (a B-nonnie avoid) that I'm nibbling on until it's gone.  It's neutral on GT2.  I might just keep it, despite it's BTD status.  When I was visiting home last weekend I cheated and had sour cream a few times, but I'm inclined to think it didn't do any harm.  I can't find reasonably price farmer cheese or queso fresca/blanca here!

I think the biggest change I would see now with SWAMI is that I'd have more dairy products, and I might get back a couple of veggies.  I miss my yogurt, but staying away from it.  I think it's on there because it's no good for Os (the majority of Gatherers).  I think the same thing about navy beans (yes, I know they aren't dairy!)
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Very funny.


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Ribbit you are too kind.  I should've tried outpost.  I'll have to see if they have a website and mail stuff.  I don't think I'm going to be near one any time soon.

So what does amaranth taste like?  What's the texture?


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Very funny.


So am I Jota Jota?  My name is J.J.  



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Jota Jota.  Jota Jota! I don't know how to cook amaranth just plain.  I tried to cook it like quinoa and it was a miserable failure. I just grind it up into flour and use it because it's good for ya.  Plus it's a nice binder.


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add it to your fruit, or salad, or as cereal, raw if you wish...
taste is very plain and the texture is crunchy.

you can also toast it and use as cereal....

add to smoothies.....endless possibilities.


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I should've tried outpost.  I'll have to see if they have a website and mail stuff.


Outpost has a website, but are not set up to ship products.


Nu-World sells amaranth seed and a variety of other amaranth products online.

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Drive, get a rice cooker! You are right about it being a very useful tool! I love mine!
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TJOTA, and what about your back pain it's better with Gatherer diet???...

Spanish lesson No 1 : queso fresco blanco

I also need SWAMI because NOMAD not working as well BTD AB non, but my measure are NOMAD sure

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So what does amaranth taste like?  What's the texture?

It's quite bland, and the grains are very very tiny, like the head of a pin.  TMI alert here...but I noticed quite a lot went through relatively undigested...   Maybe grinding it into flour or "popping" it would make for more thorough digestion.

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Drive, get a rice cooker! You are right about it being a very useful tool! I love mine!

Roommate has decided to give me his.  Yay!

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TJOTA, and what about your back pain it's better with Gatherer diet???...

It was already improved just by going back to BTD, but it hasn't gotten worse again on Gatherer.  I just need to give it enough time to fully heal!

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Spanish lesson No 1 : queso fresco blanco

So cheese is masculine in Spanish?

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I also need SWAMI because NOMAD not working as well BTD AB non, but my measure are NOMAD sure

I'm sorry to hear this.  What have you noticed that isn't working as well?  Is your back hurting too???
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Can anyone recommend a rice cooker that has a very small capacity?  All I've seen around here make so much grain that it would go bad in my fridge before it was all eaten.



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Yeah!!!!!  I have another cohort.  AB also better for me than Nomad.  Yeah!!!!!  Well, at least I think so.  Either that or it was just detoxing me so well it was too much for my emotional state.

The AB diet is a good one!


I'm only saying yeah, because now I don't feel alone!!!


The poster formerly known as "ABNOWAY"

"Finally brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things." - Phillipians 4:8
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Kyosha Nim
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Location: Tenerife-Spain
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JAMES JACOB,so nice or Jaime Jacobo in Spanish you are not alone, we are 2 royals as Isa say

Well, I noticed that nomad not working for me, because my sinus allergies come back, maybe for all cheese ('masculine' yes TJOTA ) and also my old lesion knee get worse. I think that it's because I increased cheese and in my BTD I only can take 1 porcion a week. So I stopped GTD and prefer  BTD no pain, no allergies


Teacher's motto, "all you need is love".
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Kyosha Nim
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Victoria, my rice cooker is by "Zojirushi", it's not that big. You can make any amount. In fact I am eating some millet leftover from last night which I cooked with one c. millet, and 3 c. water...came out beautifully cooked if somewhat mushy...after it sat a while it absorbed more water and by next day was perfect!
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Kyosha Nim
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Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Age: 36
I made millet "grits" for the family.  Everybody loved them.  DH put butter and cheese on his.


ISTJ, BTD since 5/05.  Battling chronic Lyme disease since ~1985.

"Everything is permissible for me, but not everything is beneficial..."  I Corinthians 6:12

Family: 3 As, 1 B, 1 AB, 1 O
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