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Ribbit
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Drive, that is just somethin' else.  Wow.  Chlorophyll makes your body more alkaline.  Chlorella is different.  I'd get some liquid chlorophyll (mint flavor so it's edible).


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Once my daughter stopped yelling and kicking   and accepted the Gatherer diet, she first noticed how her cravings started disappearing and her tastes changed.  For the first time, she was tasting the subtle flavors of foods, and did not feel that she had to load on sweet tastes.

She said to tell you gatherers that some things that have helped her are eating a couple of 1/2 C servings of millet every day, and not eating fruits early in the day.  Also, get enough protein from the superfood lists, and eat a hefty portion of cooked greens with your meat.  Her current favorite protein sources are buffalo, lamb and wild salmon.

She said that fruits are a treacherous road for Gatherers.  It seems to be necessary to eat some in order to avoid the cravings for sweets, however most spike her blood sugar.  She is having the best luck right by eating Goji berries.  During the hot weather, she was doing well on watermelon, but it doesn't seem to balance her since the weather has turned colder.



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I wish one could do both the Gatherer and the O-Nonnie at the same time and have the best of both worlds....... Sigh. That is impossible, I know.


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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I have half a cup each daily of papaya, pineapple, watermelon with seeds, guava, to that I add a dollop of homemade paneer, and add all the grains and seeds to that.....amaranth, almond, linseed, chia, pumpkin seeds and walnuts....about a Tbs of each......cravings have become a thing of the past, .....I also drizzle some grape seed oil.....
sulphur-containing protein to transport oxygen into cells as in
The Budwig Diet....


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A dollup of paneer?  Around here paneer is more the consistency of tofu.  How do you get yours to dollup?


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real compact and thick......I spoon it out of the collander once it s done......if I left it longer with a weight on it, I m sure it would have a tofu like consistency.......


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Lola, do you make your paneer with hot milk/lemon juice?  I would like to try it with goat milk.


Those fruits sound heavenly!  Unfortunately, it's already turning into cold, wet, stormy weather up here in Oregon, and somehow they seem like summer fruits to us.  I'd like to find a good cooked fruit idea for a young Gatherer to eat.  She doesn't enjoy the watermelon and pineapple since the weather changed.



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Lola
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yes, turn the milk off before it boils.....let cool, add the juice, let separate......before going to bed, drain in the fridge.

peaches perhaps?


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Quoted from meribelle
I wish one could do both the Gatherer and the O-Nonnie at the same time and have the best of both worlds....... Sigh. That is impossible, I know.


Many people do combine the BTD and the GTD to a certain extent.  My understanding is that the genotype diet must be considered first, in this case.  You could bring in all the foods you want from the O nonnie diet as long as they are GTD superfoods or at least neutrals.  O nonnie beneficials that are genotype neutrals would seem like a good way to add variety to your diet.

O nonnie beneficials that are genotype black dots might be a better choice than genotype black dots that are O nonnie avoids.  This is just my opinion here.  And I stay away from black dots anyway unless I am in a place with no choices.  In that case, I would evaluate it in this way.

I would not want to eat a genotype toxin no matter what it was on my blood type food list.  



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peaches . . . hmmmm. . . .

hot peach compote, with some currants thrown in for good measure!  

(good idea Lola)


p.s.  I'm nearly ready for sleep.  What time is it down there?



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Lola
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almost midnight......I ll be going to bed too!


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I may try combining the two diets.  I don't even know where my genotype book is, I'm ashamed to say.


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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Get hold of a genotype food list, Meribelle.  Remember if you combine the diets, genotype trumps the BTD lists (until we hear otherwise from the great Dr. D).



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Hot peach compote sweetened with agave, flavored with a tidbit of vanilla and nutmeg.  Topped with plain yogurt.....


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no yogurt for my B non-secreting Gatherer daughter.  

That's part of why she was so resistant!  Gatherers approach dairy more like a type O.



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talking for all gatherers here......who needs yogurt if we get paneer!! not in my wildest dreams did I imagine ever having a dairy become diamond, and home made to boot!


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I hope you will let us know how the goat milk paneer comes out, Victoria! As a gatherer, who's an O, I do fine on goat cheeses, (black dots), and sheep cheeses, Manchego, but the cow milk farmer's cheese gave me a lot of gas...(.I loved it though, while eating it!) Maybe I just have to get used to it.
I know the black dot cheeses are probably keeping my weight loss very slow...
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I "officially" started Gatherer on Sunday, and I'm happy to say that after brushing my teeth and tongue this morning (with baking soda--no more toothpaste for me!), the white coating was gone!  In less than a week!!!!  I still have the red bumps where it's still living under the skin, and I expect it will continue coming back a little after eating, but before today, even brushing my tongue wouldn't get all the thrush off.  A new day has dawned!

Quoted from Victoria
she first noticed how her cravings started disappearing and her tastes changed.  For the first time, she was tasting the subtle flavors of foods, and did not feel that she had to load on sweet tastes.

I've noticed the same thing.  My sweet tooth is finally relenting.

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O nonnie beneficials that are genotype black dots might be a better choice than genotype black dots that are O nonnie avoids.  This is just my opinion here.  And I stay away from black dots anyway unless I am in a place with no choices.  In that case, I would evaluate it in this way.

I would not want to eat a genotype toxin no matter what it was on my blood type food list.

I think this is a good approach.  I'm continuing to avoid the few B-nonnie avoids that aren't toxins or occasionals on GTD.  I hope that if/when I do GTD SWAMI, I'll get some dairy and veggies back, but the fruit selection makes sense to me as it is.  Honestly, I wonder why papaya is allowed, and I bet pineapple is only good because of the bromelain.
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papayine is also a great digestive aid.....
it is present in meat tenderizer!


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Drive, good to hear that things are going so well for you!


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Drive,
My dear daughter is glad to hear that you are feeling better, and are making friends with the gatherer program!  She said when you are craving sweets, try some unsweetened cocoa powder mixed with some dried fruit that is superfood.  She found some unsweetened dried raspberries, and uses a mortar/pestle kind of thing to crush the dried berries together with the cocoa.



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Drive - good news - keep us keep us informed of your progress.  
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No way, Drive!  That's fantastic!  Who would have thought?  A skinny Gatherer.  Maybe you'll gain some much-needed weight now.  Looks like the GTD will help you get a handle on the Candida just like it helped me.

Elizabeth hugged me goodnight and said, "I love my new diet, Mama.  Honey is good for me."  Hurray!


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Quoted from Victoria

Those fruits sound heavenly!  Unfortunately, it's already turning into cold, wet, stormy weather up here in Oregon, and somehow they seem like summer fruits to us.  I'd like to find a good cooked fruit idea for a young Gatherer to eat.  She doesn't enjoy the watermelon and pineapple since the weather changed.


I too went off those summery-fruits this winter..I cooked up apricots in winter and ate with ricotta and cocoa powder drizzled with maple and cinnamon- tell her to get into this, very satisfying winter fruit.

ps.Nuts toasted up make a great addition to any baked or stewed fruit
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Quoted from Ribbit
Elizabeth hugged me goodnight and said, "I love my new diet, Mama.  Honey is good for me."  Hurray!

That's awesome!  I wish I could say the same.  If I'd been listening to my body I'd have known honey WASN'T good for ME...or the strawberries, cherries, grapes, apples, or blackberries.

I bought some dried cranberries from WF, and they were extremely sour.  I reconstituted them in pineapple juice, and they are still a bit much in my oat bran.

I am thrilled to have cocoa back.  I mixed some cocoa, xylitol, and soy lecithin with water to make a thin chocolate sauce--too thin, but still a nice way to add flavor to my cottage cheese.

I tried some of my oat bran tonight without anything to sweeten it.  I've been using xylitol and molasses.  It wasn't so bad, just needed salt and more butter than usual.  I did add molasses anyway, but less than usual, and no xylitol.  This is great!
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