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Dianet52
Friday, September 19, 2008, 8:54pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hi all, Recently found out Im a Hunter type O. I have some questions though. Had I not read the GTD diet and just did BTD I would be sabataging myself with food. For example, I was eatting a lot of cherries, essene bread (manna), ezekiel bread, nectarines, tomatoes and spinach because they were either "beneficails" or "neutrals". Now I understand thru GTD none of these are good for me in fact most of them are "AVOIDS". How could one benefit from the BTD without knowing their genotype? And I am sensitive to caffeine and in the test it asked me if I was but in the final evaluation it had no bearing whatsoever on the outcome of my genotype. I also understood that ezekial bread , because its sprouted, was OK and acceptable for the type O. Now its saying "avoid". I do know that there is a genetic predisposistion to depression/mental illness in my family too. It doesn't say in the GTD if "Ezekial" bread is allowed, all it says is "100 sprouted what" is an "avoid". Im a little confused and frustrated so bear with me. Appreciate any feedback. Oh ya, what about the Herba Mate tea, its touted as a "Superfood" although Im caffeine sensitive and it does have "natural Caffeine" Thanks! Diane
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I love mate, it doesn t affect me as coffee does.

BTD and GTD do not sabotage your physiology.....

both systems are fine, followed compliantly.

What is the determinant for 'typing' foods?
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1202698596/s-14/highlight-toxin/#num14
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Dr. D once saying that Genotype trumps the BTD.  This was in response to a question about trying to combine both diets, and could a person eat genotype toxins if they were blood type beneficials.  His answer seemed to be that you could eat blood type avoids that were genotype superfoods,
but you should not eat genotype toxins just because they were blood type beneficials.  This is if you are trying to follow both diets.


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You need to figure out what needs more fixing:

Your genes (then GTD it)
You (then BTD it)


try out your free trial at GTD. com and decide which you want to stick with...there s also an online test to determine which one is right for you
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2008/01/25/?blog=24


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Diane, the two diets approaches are like looking at a statue from two different angles. What you see from the front is different than what you see from the back. Both views are valid, choose the one you prefer to look at. There is a fair amount of overlap though and I think you will find that the Hunter diet is very similar to the O secretor diet. For me, nearly every neutral I had been using became a superfood. Giving up regular use of 3-4 food items was a small price to pay for some other foods I had been craving, like the hard cheeses.    
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You will read different things about Yerba Mate.  All caffeine is "natural."  Coffee, tea, chocolate...what else contains it?  What they don't usually say is that it's not actually caffeine, it's mateine (I think I've spelled that right), which is a stimulant also but of a different sort.  It makes me alert but calm.  It's hard to describe.  I try not to go shopping (especially somewhere that's overwhelming to me sensory-wise, like Walmart) unless I've first had a cup of Mate.  It helps me concentrate and get my job done without zoning.  I wish I'd known about it when I was in school.  I'd love to see a study done with ADD children and Yerba Mate.  It helps me a lot.


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"Everything is permissible for me, but not everything is beneficial..."  I Corinthians 6:12

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Hi all, Recently found out Im a Hunter type O. I have some questions though. Had I not read the GTD diet and just did BTD I would be sabataging myself with food. . .
Now I understand thru GTD none of these are good for me in fact most of them are "AVOIDS". How could one benefit from the BTD without knowing their genotype? Thanks! Diane


You won't sabotage yourself by following the BTD.  It is a complete program.  The GTD is a complete program also.

Here is an example, and I believe I read something similiar in one of Dr. D's explanations:

Dr. D. wrote ER4YT, which taught people to eat for their blood type.  That was like a map which showed which state you live in.

He wrote LR4YT, which explained the Secretor status.  That was like a map which showed which city you live in.

He wrote The Genotype Diet, which explained a different approach to food choices.  That was like a map which showed what street you live on.

Each of these programs point you in the right direction.

Maybe he will write more and more books which further fine-tune the individualized choices for our health.



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very nice Victoria!


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Diane, the two diets approaches are like looking at a statue from two different angles. What you see from the front is different than what you see from the back. Both views are valid, choose the one you prefer to look at. There is a fair amount of overlap though and I think you will find that the Hunter diet is very similar to the O secretor diet. For me, nearly every neutral I had been using became a superfood. Giving up regular use of 3-4 food items was a small price to pay for some other foods I had been craving, like the hard cheeses.    


Nice...


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Quoted from Victoria





Maybe he will write more and more books which further fine-tune the individualized choices for our health.


I think the world needs to catch up to him first. If you give them (the world) to much all at once they just can't handle it.

  


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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Quoted from Andrea AWsec

I think the world needs to catch up to him first. If you give them (the world) to much all at once they just can't handle it.



How many years you think? 50? 100?  
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On the BTD vs. GTD quiz, it asks if we have a blood disorder.  What type of blood disorder would fit the yes answer?

I have hemochromatosis which is really an iron disorder so I'm not sure whether to check yes or no.

Hope someone can help...

thank you.

Nevermind!  Here it is:

Hemochromatosis (HHC) is an inherited condition of abnormal iron metabolism; it is not a blood disease. Individuals with hemochromatosis absorb too much iron from the diet. Iron cannot be excreted therefore the metal
     can reach toxic levels in tissues of major organs such as the liver, heart, pituitary, thyroid, pancreas, and synovium (joints). These overburdened organs cease to function properly and eventually become diseased. Therefore, undiagnosed and untreated HHC increases the risk for diseases and conditions such as diabetes mellitus, irregular heart beat or heart attack, arthritis (osteoarthritis, osteoporosis), cirrhosis of the liver or liver cancer, depression, impotence, infertility, hypothyroidism, hypogonadism, and some cancers. Mismanaged iron in the brain is seen in those patients with neurodegenerative diseases: Alzheimer's, early onset Parkinson's, epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, and Huntington's disease.


So... now when I check no to blood disease, man my GTD score is real high.  

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Thx for all the feedback guys, you are all teriffic! Diane
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So I just did the test again checking yes and not to my different disease catgories, and the only thing that throws me into the BTD areana by the slightest amount is Arthritis.  

Everything else takes me full on to the GTD.  

If I check no to Arthritis, I get FULL GTD recommendation.

So I wonder which foods would be affecting my osteoarthritis which only really hurts in my thumb joints and my neck at times.  

It's weird because my left knee if FULL of osteoarthritis and it NEVER hurts anymore.  

I'd love to hear from others following GTD who have arthritis and if your symptoms have improved over time.  

And the biggest thing is, is that I'm not even sure if the thumb joint pain is from osteoarthritis.  The xrays show nothing... my chiro says it's calcium buildup...

Man trying to figure out one's body is a mess!  Ha.   (not really so funny... )
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Quoted from 1323

I have hemochromatosis which is really an iron disorder so I'm not sure whether to check yes or no.


That would be a "yes" funkymuse, I would think because it involves the blood.  Anyone else?  
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So I just did the test again checking yes and not to my different disease catgories, and the only thing that throws me into the BTD areana by the slightest amount is Arthritis.  

Everything else takes me full on to the GTD.  

If I check no to Arthritis, I get FULL GTD recommendation.

So I wonder which foods would be affecting my osteoarthritis which only really hurts in my thumb joints and my neck at times.  

It's weird because my left knee if FULL of osteoarthritis and it NEVER hurts anymore.  

I'd love to hear from others following GTD who have arthritis and if your symptoms have improved over time.  

And the biggest thing is, is that I'm not even sure if the thumb joint pain is from osteoarthritis.  The xrays show nothing... my chiro says it's calcium buildup...

Man trying to figure out one's body is a mess!  Ha.   (not really so funny... )


You made interesting points here...which related to me..I come out in a dead heat
regarding the BTD or the GTD.  I chose the GTD because it was revolutionary.

However, let's talk about the GTD and arthritis...Me too with the thumbs...but not so much
the neck as hips...AND my chiropractor says that there needs to be a balance point between
hips and shoulders...If the axis is off in the shoulders because of the neck, then it throws
off the hips which translates to the knees.

OK, so I'm going back to the thumbs...and the calcium deposit issue...I was at my wit's
end trying to figure out what suddenly caused this awful thumb issue..I had been taking
a calcium/magnesium supplement...BUT having avoided dairy for so many years and suddenly
including dairy in the Warrior diet, daily I was using Whey protein, eating yogurt a few
times a week, lots of almonds and other high calcium foods, and not particularly eating lots of beans which would be high in magnesium..

I decided to stop all calcium supplements (which were probably the wrong kinds anyway) and just allow the diet to give me plenty....but I decided to take  magnesium citrate a few times a day just to see what would happen.  Within a week, my thumbs quit hurting.  That is not to
say that magnesium stopped the pain. The withdrawal from calcium supplements might
have been the issue.

I  learned something valuable...Sometimes the food is balancing enough and sometimes the supplements are no longer needed as they begin to cause an unbalance, by leaving a
deposit of excess.

Then last week, I tried adding the Clearcal....from NAP...back to achy thumbs....I deducted
that I wasn't ready for calcium...had plenty or else I needed way more magnesium...

I took enough magnesium citrate to bowel tolerance.   Realized it was a lot more than I imagined I'd have needed...and without taking any calcium, I feel rather balanced right now.

What I think happens is that the body makes lots of subtle shifts when you change your diet..
My chiropractor explained it like this:  "Take a totally calm body of water..a lake, for
example... and throw a stone with great force.....To the naked eye, the stone ripples up to a point to where it's visibly vibrating along the water and then you can't perceptibly see
any movement....BUT, on a vibrational level, this stone has impacted this body of water
completely....It will cause movement at the beginning and not stop that movement until
it reaches the end of the body of water and to the naked eye, the time it took for the stone
to stop impacting the body of water was far shorter than it actually was".

Once I had that visual in my head, I realized the impact of all we do...all we eat and drink
and all that influences our body on deeper levels....AND what we rarely ever realize is how
slow a process this all is...how long it might take for the reverberation of anything to reach
it's level and make a complete stop.

The imbalances, I believe have to be tolerated, however uncomfortable until there IS a level
of balance and the intention of the foods/beverages/supplements, activity reach their
final destination...where the body can accept it wholly and heal completely.

I sometimes feel like I'm in total alignment from a chiropractor's adjustment, only to actually
FEEL quite disorganized, disheveled, and just like someone shook me up and left me to find
my own new equilbrium, my body seemed more comfortable being unbalanced. It was all
I knew or felt..I had managed to adjust and accept my own dysfunction.  Sometimes
functional feels like dysfunction when it's not.

This is what I feel about the GTD....It shakes me up, moves me around in an attempt to  find
equilibrium and it takes awhile before my entire being can accept so much movement and
settle down to feel that this newfound place is the right place to be.

It's why I don't think 6 months was quite long enough to do the GTD and expect miracles
for everyone.  Personally, I'm giving it a year....Lots of progress, but often it doesn't feel
perfectly wonderful within my body!  

I keep seeing that stone rippling very slowly..and have
the patience to keep on going.





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have you all read Dr D s latest?
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2008/09/22/yougenics?blog=24
brilliant!
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But foods work differently than drugs. For example, we dont make energy out of drugs; they dont fuel our cellular processes. Foods are functional entities in our bodies, not drugs that prevent deficiencies, and our reactions to food are much more individualized than those we have to drugs.


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I'd love to hear from others following GTD who have arthritis and if your symptoms have improved over time.  


I've been on the Hunter diet since January. I have less pain in joints that hurt for years.  I've been attributing it to an increase in exercise, specifically starting doing Nia, a kind of dance/martial arts/Feldenkrais thing, but it could also be due to eliminating gluten, which has been huge for me.
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Well, it is brilliant and I see that he's answered my question about why the BTD might
work for those who have autism..Dr. D says that the avoidance of lectins might
be why.  And I've got a friend with an 18 year old grandson who has Asperger's, a form
of autism.  I will surely pass on this information to her, along with a copy of ER4YT
so she has a grasp of the lectin concept!  Thanks for sharing this Lola...much appreciated!



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I'd love to hear from others following GTD who have arthritis and if your symptoms have improved over time.  



Yes, and yes!  I used to have constant aching in the joints of some of my fingers, and my right hand was so stiff in the morning, I couldn't close my hand!

This morning, I made a tight fist when I woke up, and realized that it has been a long time since my hand was stiff.  I have no pain in my joints, and my flexibility is greatly improved.  9 months on the GTD.  



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What I think happens is that the body makes lots of subtle shifts when you change your diet..
My chiropractor explained it like this:  "Take a totally calm body of water..a lake, for
example... and throw a stone with great force.....To the naked eye, the stone ripples up to a point to where it's visibly vibrating along the water and then you can't perceptibly see
any movement....BUT, on a vibrational level, this stone has impacted this body of water
completely....It will cause movement at the beginning and not stop that movement until
it reaches the end of the body of water and to the naked eye, the time it took for the stone
to stop impacting the body of water was far shorter than it actually was".

Once I had that visual in my head, I realized the impact of all we do...all we eat and drink
and all that influences our body on deeper levels....AND what we rarely ever realize is how
slow a process this all is...how long it might take for the reverberation of anything to reach
it's level and make a complete stop.

The imbalances, I believe have to be tolerated, however uncomfortable until there IS a level
of balance and the intention of the foods/beverages/supplements, activity reach their
final destination...where the body can accept it wholly and heal completely.

I sometimes feel like I'm in total alignment from a chiropractor's adjustment, only to actually
FEEL quite disorganized, disheveled, and just like someone shook me up and left me to find
my own new equilbrium, my body seemed more comfortable being unbalanced. It was all
I knew or felt..I had managed to adjust and accept my own dysfunction.  Sometimes
functional feels like dysfunction when it's not.

This is what I feel about the GTD....It shakes me up, moves me around in an attempt to  find
equilibrium and it takes awhile before my entire being can accept so much movement and
settle down to feel that this newfound place is the right place to be.

It's why I don't think 6 months was quite long enough to do the GTD and expect miracles
for everyone.  Personally, I'm giving it a year....Lots of progress, but often it doesn't feel
perfectly wonderful within my body!  

I keep seeing that stone rippling very slowly..and have
the patience to keep on going.




I love your visual example, since this is how my mind works, also.  This is a very good example that you have given.  I hear people saying that they eat certain avoids or GTD toxins and don't have any problems with them.  My thought is that just because they don't notice an obvious change in their physical condition does not mean that the food is not causing serious changes.  Diseases are generally slow in developing, and many are silent as they develop.  

I agree with your assessment on time, invisible effects and patience.



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I agree with your assessment on time, invisible effects and patience.
In agreement here too! And very well said, Victoria and Chloe!


I'm onto you, 'euphoria'
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I am B+ and have MS, we'll wait and see wait happens with the new way of eating.
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bdavid, best of luck to you and tell us all about your path....
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bdavid, best of luck to you and tell us all about your path....


I ditto Janyeeo...bdavid!



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OK, so I'm going back to the thumbs...and the calcium deposit issue...I was at my wit's
end trying to figure out what suddenly caused this awful thumb issue..I had been taking
a calcium/magnesium supplement...BUT having avoided dairy for so many years and suddenly
including dairy in the Warrior diet, daily I was using Whey protein, eating yogurt a few
times a week, lots of almonds and other high calcium foods, and not particularly eating lots of beans which would be high in magnesium..

I decided to stop all calcium supplements (which were probably the wrong kinds anyway) and just allow the diet to give me plenty....but I decided to take  magnesium citrate a few times a day just to see what would happen.  Within a week, my thumbs quit hurting.  That is not to
say that magnesium stopped the pain. The withdrawal from calcium supplements might
have been the issue.


You may have a vitamin K deficiency.



Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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You may have a vitamin K deficiency.



Oh my... this is interesting.. please elaborate!  Does calcium and/or Magnesium need Vit. K to work properly?
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get your vitamin K level tested, request the osteocalcin test, measures how much carboxylated osteocalcin you have. (carboxylation is dependent on vitamin K.)


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Yes, sorry I didn't have time to explain...

Vitamin K helps put the calcium where it belongs, in your bones, as opposed to calcifications in other places where it can cause major or minor problems.  (I researched it when I found it odd that I had calcifications on an MRI - too much calcium, but osteopenia - too little, at the same time)

There are a few forms of vitamin K, most forms require good intestinal flora to convert to the active form.  Natto contains the active form I believe (I take some derived from Natto).

If you like lab results, this deficiency may only show up in an osteocalcin test, but not the standard blood clotting test (it doesn't take as much K to help blood clot as it does to build bones).


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Oh my... this is interesting.. please elaborate!  Does calcium and/or Magnesium need Vit. K to work properly?


There was a minor discussion on this. Please check out http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-encloplib/m-1206342861/



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Vitamin K helps put the calcium where it belongs, in your bones, as opposed to calcifications in other places where it can cause major or minor problems.


silica and K work nicely together, don t you think?


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vitamin K source in green tea too yes?
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This is what I feel about the GTD....It shakes me up, moves me around in an attempt to  find
equilibrium and it takes awhile before my entire being can accept so much movement and
settle down to feel that this newfound place is the right place to be.


I keep seeing that stone rippling very slowly..and have
the patience to keep on going.





Your explanation is inspiring and poetic!  BTD had such immediate improvements for me, but GTD has not felt so "comfortable".  I have been somewhat resistant to committing to it, but your answer makes me rethink that.  Thank you.
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Good to see you again, Island Mama!


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Thanks Ribbit.

I haven't forgotten about all the great people and information that are here...just been preoccupied with work and hurricanes and such.  Fortunately, no big effects in the Keys, but I still evacuated for Ike.  Hurricane season kind of trips me up.  I want to revert back to old "comfort" foods.  I wish I didn't have such a strong emotional connection with food.

Does anyone know of any good "self-help" sources when it comes to overcoming emotional eating?  Anyone tried hypnosis?
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Yes to hypnosis--absolutely Did Not work for me--guess I just don't take suggestions very well!  


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Does anyone know of any good "self-help" sources when it comes to overcoming emotional eating?  Anyone tried hypnosis?


Absolutely... this woman's book saved my life recently:

http://www.dietingrecovery.com

Did hypnosis, did diet pills, did almost every type of diet and restriction and starving, did tons and tons of therapy, and still ended up with the food in my mouth... the bad food - that was my secret friend.  The food I reached out to in times of stress, happiness, sadness, anger, fear, sexual frustration, you name it... if I was 'feeling' "it," I ate to numb "it."

This book will speak to anyone with eating issues of any type especially emotional eating.  

And as well, hand in hand with either the  BTD or GTD (Personally I have found more brain chemistry balance on the GTD), you can be on your way home to freedom from food controlling your life.

I keep track of my progress on my blog.  See my link below.

Hugs and much luck.  







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A great book is "Feeding the hungry heart" by Geneen Roth. Here is a link: http://www.geneenroth.com/books.php#hungryheart
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A great book is "Feeding the hungry heart" by Geneen Roth. Here is a link: http://www.geneenroth.com/books.php#hungryheart


Read that back in my 'therapy days.'  Great book.  But I wasn't 'clean' when I read it.  I was still eating emotionally and badly.  My personal belief gleaned from Becky's book and my own years of humble experience is that just like a drunk cannot go into therapy while still drinking... neither can emotional or overeaters or anyone with an eating problem go into therapy when still indulging.  You can, but the therapy itself usually won't stop the disease.

And I'm not saying 'don't read it,' nor am I saying it won't do you any good... but all of those books and all of the therapy I did for years and years, did not stop my eating issues of eating for every emotional reason under the sun.  I 'understood' why I was eating because of the therapy and the books, but it did not stop the disease.

My experience is, one has to find a place to stop the madness of eating before one can begin to address some of the emotional aspects driving the disease.  When one's mind is clear and free from the brain chemistry ups and downs, one can truly 'see' and 'feel' what's going on.  

Part of the entire issue, again from my own years of trying like a desperate mad woman to figure out my problem, is that when your brain chemistry is whacked from sugar and bad food, you don't think straight, act right, sleep right, your hormones are messed up causing additional emotional and physical problems, etc., etc.  

Again, to first get clean from the overeating and emotional eating, allows one to really see what the issues might be.

It's not an easy road in, but for me, it's been the only road in after years of trying every type of therapy out there while still eating away thinking 'if I just figured out what my problems are,' or 'if I just got the right job,' or 'if I just got the right husband,' or if I just got the... right whatever!' Or 'as soon as my bills are paid,' 'or as soon as my kid leaves home' or 'as soon as tomorrow looks better,' I'll be able to get this eating under control.'  Or the big one.. "If I just lost weight, then by gosh, I'd be able to love myself and then really 'control' my eating."

And the others:  "I deserve this."  "I'm under too much stress today, I have to eat."  "Just today... because my work load is too much and I'm tired, so I'll eat this candy and drink this coffee to help me make it through, and then tomorrow I'll start clean."

None of that goes away.  Life never stops.  Stress never stops.  And so the emotional eating will never stop because there will never be a tomorrow that is good enough.  That voice will drive one for an entire lifetime unless one begins to recognize what is going on. It drove me for 40 years.  40 years of my life on the horrid roller coaster of "trying to control it," feeling ashamed of my body, of my self, feeling guilty because "I" couldn't get it right!  

Becky's book and website may scare some because it calls the eating issue a disease or an addiction and many people don't want to even consider that there might be a deeper issue called an addition or disease - I mean it's just eating, right?  But my testimony says 'give it a chance.'  It's a cheap book and if you don't recognize yourself and your eating issues in the first chapter, put it on a shelve and forget all I have told you.  But don't throw it out.

I bought this book 5 years ago, once again desperate and at the height of yet another round of binging because my husband was dieing (and that was my big excuse to eat), and yes it's a good one but no excuse is good enough now for me now that I understand about emotional eating and how it can eventually kill.  But I bought the book and recognized myself and the issues right there in the first chapter, and at the time began to try and get clean, but I kept making those excuses to eat.  I didn't 'get it' yet.

I put it on the shelve.  (I'm so glad I didn't throw it away).

5 years later (2 months ago), I pulled it out again and I 'got it.'  

Now almost two months clean from emotional eating and binging and not one binge of junk has happened.  Not even any desire for any junk food or sugar.  

I attribute this to three things... One - 'getting it.'  Understanding and surrendering to the fact that I indeed had an issue with 'eating over anything and nothing,' and I was driven by that voice making excuses to eat.  I listened to it and caved every time.  Even if I knew it was not right, I caved.

The 2nd thing is, Dr. D's GTD which has completely stablized my brain chemistry and given me the tools to handle the stresses and ups and downs of the days.  When the voices do come now, I can walk away from them and 'handle life on life's terms.'  Which means... life is going to throw everything my way... ups and downs... bad days and good... do I eat over them... no.  This is accepting life on life's terms and moving forward without eating over it.

And three, God's help.  I give thanks every day, every moment that I have no cravings.  That I feel 'sane' for once in my life.  And I stay humble about it.  Because the minute I think "I've" got it sussed, the minute I think "I'm in control here" the voice will sneak back in and bite my big ego and the possibility of falling down into the dark hole again becomes a huge threat.  

Therapy?  Well, I haven't needed any yet.  I have a very supporting loving husband who has been clean from alcohol for 25 years and was involved in the 12 step way back when so he understands and supports me and listens and we talk through everything.  I do use Becky's workbook... she has a workbook that helps you walk through your issues as you read the main book.  I haven't used it much but I plan to.

I have a terrible stress going on right now.  My sister is near death and my Mother is acting out in weird ways and my sisters kids are stealing her food stamp cards and all this huge drama is going on.  I have awful ups and downs in my heart and gut from it all, but not once have I wanted to eat over it.

At any rate... I've gotten way away from myself here at 5:30 in the morning, so I'll stop.  I hope that some of what I have said helps someone someday.  And if not, it sure helped me to write it.  To share and give of ones story/testimony is a healing and a reinforcement of the souls journey.

Blessings...





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Thank you for your post.  



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Funky I forwarded your testimony to a friend.


Peter once told  this friend that she had a small asian women hiding inside her body, trying to get out. She has still not been able to change her eating to get the little asian women out. I keep encouraging her.


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That is a powerful post, FunkyM.
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Wow, Funky.  Can we like permanently post that somewhere where it can be read over and over?  That was fantastic.  That's the way I was too.  I think I "got it" a little earlier than you did, but your three reasons are identical to my three reasons.  "Getting it" and the GTD and God's help.  All three just like you said.


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Thanks everyone.  It means so much that you understand and are supportive of my process.  I think we all help one another the most when we share our most vulnerable struggles.    We are all human.. ya know... and we go through stuff... every day.  

My way is certainly not the only way... but I think as we each share our ways, we learn from one another.

My hubby was just wondering if Dr. D really knows how much he has helped those with 'addict' tendencies begin to find clarity and balance.  He says Dr. D has done a tremendous service for this sector of the population and hopes more people with emotional eating issues or just general addiction issues find the BTD and GTD.
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GTD got rid of my cravings.  I used to feel like I had to have snacks between meals and dessert after dinner.  I hardly ever snack--I don't get hungry!  And I don't need dessert anymore.


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Ribbit I was thinking last night about you and wanted to say you are lucky to have 'gotten it' so young.    I am happy for you.  It takes many along time to understand what's going on because of our culture that pushes diets and quick fixes everyones way.  

We get to feeling down and hopeless and desperate and we pick up a magazine and there is the newest diet or diet pill and we gobble it up and start down yet another detour.  

And about desert, yah sometimes I want it, sometimes I just eat fruit and sometimes I don't even want fruit, which kind of scares me cause I know I need it!  
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Funky.. my friend cried when she read your post.


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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Funky.. my friend cried when she read your post.


Ah man... I hope could give her a hug.  Gosh I know that place of sadness and horrid frustration.  

I would lay on my bed an cry in horror so many times when I was in a non-stop binging mode.  I didn't know what to do, who to turn to.

And yet I would go out and do it again.  It's a sickness.  

If she wants to email me, please invite her to.

funkymuse@hotmail.com

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