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Lola
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get your vitamin K level tested, request the osteocalcin test, measures how much carboxylated osteocalcin you have. (carboxylation is dependent on vitamin K.)


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Yes, sorry I didn't have time to explain...

Vitamin K helps put the calcium where it belongs, in your bones, as opposed to calcifications in other places where it can cause major or minor problems.  (I researched it when I found it odd that I had calcifications on an MRI - too much calcium, but osteopenia - too little, at the same time)

There are a few forms of vitamin K, most forms require good intestinal flora to convert to the active form.  Natto contains the active form I believe (I take some derived from Natto).

If you like lab results, this deficiency may only show up in an osteocalcin test, but not the standard blood clotting test (it doesn't take as much K to help blood clot as it does to build bones).


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Oh my... this is interesting.. please elaborate!  Does calcium and/or Magnesium need Vit. K to work properly?


There was a minor discussion on this. Please check out http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-encloplib/m-1206342861/



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Vitamin K helps put the calcium where it belongs, in your bones, as opposed to calcifications in other places where it can cause major or minor problems.


silica and K work nicely together, don t you think?


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vitamin K source in green tea too yes?
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BTD compliance means: Definition of "Compliance"

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This is what I feel about the GTD....It shakes me up, moves me around in an attempt to  find
equilibrium and it takes awhile before my entire being can accept so much movement and
settle down to feel that this newfound place is the right place to be.


I keep seeing that stone rippling very slowly..and have
the patience to keep on going.





Your explanation is inspiring and poetic!  BTD had such immediate improvements for me, but GTD has not felt so "comfortable".  I have been somewhat resistant to committing to it, but your answer makes me rethink that.  Thank you.
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Good to see you again, Island Mama!


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Thanks Ribbit.

I haven't forgotten about all the great people and information that are here...just been preoccupied with work and hurricanes and such.  Fortunately, no big effects in the Keys, but I still evacuated for Ike.  Hurricane season kind of trips me up.  I want to revert back to old "comfort" foods.  I wish I didn't have such a strong emotional connection with food.

Does anyone know of any good "self-help" sources when it comes to overcoming emotional eating?  Anyone tried hypnosis?
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Yes to hypnosis--absolutely Did Not work for me--guess I just don't take suggestions very well!  


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Does anyone know of any good "self-help" sources when it comes to overcoming emotional eating?  Anyone tried hypnosis?


Absolutely... this woman's book saved my life recently:

http://www.dietingrecovery.com

Did hypnosis, did diet pills, did almost every type of diet and restriction and starving, did tons and tons of therapy, and still ended up with the food in my mouth... the bad food - that was my secret friend.  The food I reached out to in times of stress, happiness, sadness, anger, fear, sexual frustration, you name it... if I was 'feeling' "it," I ate to numb "it."

This book will speak to anyone with eating issues of any type especially emotional eating.  

And as well, hand in hand with either the  BTD or GTD (Personally I have found more brain chemistry balance on the GTD), you can be on your way home to freedom from food controlling your life.

I keep track of my progress on my blog.  See my link below.

Hugs and much luck.  







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A great book is "Feeding the hungry heart" by Geneen Roth. Here is a link: http://www.geneenroth.com/books.php#hungryheart
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A great book is "Feeding the hungry heart" by Geneen Roth. Here is a link: http://www.geneenroth.com/books.php#hungryheart


Read that back in my 'therapy days.'  Great book.  But I wasn't 'clean' when I read it.  I was still eating emotionally and badly.  My personal belief gleaned from Becky's book and my own years of humble experience is that just like a drunk cannot go into therapy while still drinking... neither can emotional or overeaters or anyone with an eating problem go into therapy when still indulging.  You can, but the therapy itself usually won't stop the disease.

And I'm not saying 'don't read it,' nor am I saying it won't do you any good... but all of those books and all of the therapy I did for years and years, did not stop my eating issues of eating for every emotional reason under the sun.  I 'understood' why I was eating because of the therapy and the books, but it did not stop the disease.

My experience is, one has to find a place to stop the madness of eating before one can begin to address some of the emotional aspects driving the disease.  When one's mind is clear and free from the brain chemistry ups and downs, one can truly 'see' and 'feel' what's going on.  

Part of the entire issue, again from my own years of trying like a desperate mad woman to figure out my problem, is that when your brain chemistry is whacked from sugar and bad food, you don't think straight, act right, sleep right, your hormones are messed up causing additional emotional and physical problems, etc., etc.  

Again, to first get clean from the overeating and emotional eating, allows one to really see what the issues might be.

It's not an easy road in, but for me, it's been the only road in after years of trying every type of therapy out there while still eating away thinking 'if I just figured out what my problems are,' or 'if I just got the right job,' or 'if I just got the right husband,' or if I just got the... right whatever!' Or 'as soon as my bills are paid,' 'or as soon as my kid leaves home' or 'as soon as tomorrow looks better,' I'll be able to get this eating under control.'  Or the big one.. "If I just lost weight, then by gosh, I'd be able to love myself and then really 'control' my eating."

And the others:  "I deserve this."  "I'm under too much stress today, I have to eat."  "Just today... because my work load is too much and I'm tired, so I'll eat this candy and drink this coffee to help me make it through, and then tomorrow I'll start clean."

None of that goes away.  Life never stops.  Stress never stops.  And so the emotional eating will never stop because there will never be a tomorrow that is good enough.  That voice will drive one for an entire lifetime unless one begins to recognize what is going on. It drove me for 40 years.  40 years of my life on the horrid roller coaster of "trying to control it," feeling ashamed of my body, of my self, feeling guilty because "I" couldn't get it right!  

Becky's book and website may scare some because it calls the eating issue a disease or an addiction and many people don't want to even consider that there might be a deeper issue called an addition or disease - I mean it's just eating, right?  But my testimony says 'give it a chance.'  It's a cheap book and if you don't recognize yourself and your eating issues in the first chapter, put it on a shelve and forget all I have told you.  But don't throw it out.

I bought this book 5 years ago, once again desperate and at the height of yet another round of binging because my husband was dieing (and that was my big excuse to eat), and yes it's a good one but no excuse is good enough now for me now that I understand about emotional eating and how it can eventually kill.  But I bought the book and recognized myself and the issues right there in the first chapter, and at the time began to try and get clean, but I kept making those excuses to eat.  I didn't 'get it' yet.

I put it on the shelve.  (I'm so glad I didn't throw it away).

5 years later (2 months ago), I pulled it out again and I 'got it.'  

Now almost two months clean from emotional eating and binging and not one binge of junk has happened.  Not even any desire for any junk food or sugar.  

I attribute this to three things... One - 'getting it.'  Understanding and surrendering to the fact that I indeed had an issue with 'eating over anything and nothing,' and I was driven by that voice making excuses to eat.  I listened to it and caved every time.  Even if I knew it was not right, I caved.

The 2nd thing is, Dr. D's GTD which has completely stablized my brain chemistry and given me the tools to handle the stresses and ups and downs of the days.  When the voices do come now, I can walk away from them and 'handle life on life's terms.'  Which means... life is going to throw everything my way... ups and downs... bad days and good... do I eat over them... no.  This is accepting life on life's terms and moving forward without eating over it.

And three, God's help.  I give thanks every day, every moment that I have no cravings.  That I feel 'sane' for once in my life.  And I stay humble about it.  Because the minute I think "I've" got it sussed, the minute I think "I'm in control here" the voice will sneak back in and bite my big ego and the possibility of falling down into the dark hole again becomes a huge threat.  

Therapy?  Well, I haven't needed any yet.  I have a very supporting loving husband who has been clean from alcohol for 25 years and was involved in the 12 step way back when so he understands and supports me and listens and we talk through everything.  I do use Becky's workbook... she has a workbook that helps you walk through your issues as you read the main book.  I haven't used it much but I plan to.

I have a terrible stress going on right now.  My sister is near death and my Mother is acting out in weird ways and my sisters kids are stealing her food stamp cards and all this huge drama is going on.  I have awful ups and downs in my heart and gut from it all, but not once have I wanted to eat over it.

At any rate... I've gotten way away from myself here at 5:30 in the morning, so I'll stop.  I hope that some of what I have said helps someone someday.  And if not, it sure helped me to write it.  To share and give of ones story/testimony is a healing and a reinforcement of the souls journey.

Blessings...





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Thank you for your post.  



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Funky I forwarded your testimony to a friend.


Peter once told  this friend that she had a small asian women hiding inside her body, trying to get out. She has still not been able to change her eating to get the little asian women out. I keep encouraging her.


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That is a powerful post, FunkyM.
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Wow, Funky.  Can we like permanently post that somewhere where it can be read over and over?  That was fantastic.  That's the way I was too.  I think I "got it" a little earlier than you did, but your three reasons are identical to my three reasons.  "Getting it" and the GTD and God's help.  All three just like you said.


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Thanks everyone.  It means so much that you understand and are supportive of my process.  I think we all help one another the most when we share our most vulnerable struggles.    We are all human.. ya know... and we go through stuff... every day.  

My way is certainly not the only way... but I think as we each share our ways, we learn from one another.

My hubby was just wondering if Dr. D really knows how much he has helped those with 'addict' tendencies begin to find clarity and balance.  He says Dr. D has done a tremendous service for this sector of the population and hopes more people with emotional eating issues or just general addiction issues find the BTD and GTD.
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GTD got rid of my cravings.  I used to feel like I had to have snacks between meals and dessert after dinner.  I hardly ever snack--I don't get hungry!  And I don't need dessert anymore.


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Ribbit I was thinking last night about you and wanted to say you are lucky to have 'gotten it' so young.    I am happy for you.  It takes many along time to understand what's going on because of our culture that pushes diets and quick fixes everyones way.  

We get to feeling down and hopeless and desperate and we pick up a magazine and there is the newest diet or diet pill and we gobble it up and start down yet another detour.  

And about desert, yah sometimes I want it, sometimes I just eat fruit and sometimes I don't even want fruit, which kind of scares me cause I know I need it!  
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Funky.. my friend cried when she read your post.


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Funky.. my friend cried when she read your post.


Ah man... I hope could give her a hug.  Gosh I know that place of sadness and horrid frustration.  

I would lay on my bed an cry in horror so many times when I was in a non-stop binging mode.  I didn't know what to do, who to turn to.

And yet I would go out and do it again.  It's a sickness.  

If she wants to email me, please invite her to.

funkymuse@hotmail.com

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