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Dianet52
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Hi all, Recently found out Im a Hunter type O. I have some questions though. Had I not read the GTD diet and just did BTD I would be sabataging myself with food. For example, I was eatting a lot of cherries, essene bread (manna), ezekiel bread, nectarines, tomatoes and spinach because they were either "beneficails" or "neutrals". Now I understand thru GTD none of these are good for me in fact most of them are "AVOIDS". How could one benefit from the BTD without knowing their genotype? And I am sensitive to caffeine and in the test it asked me if I was but in the final evaluation it had no bearing whatsoever on the outcome of my genotype. I also understood that ezekial bread , because its sprouted, was OK and acceptable for the type O. Now its saying "avoid". I do know that there is a genetic predisposistion to depression/mental illness in my family too. It doesn't say in the GTD if "Ezekial" bread is allowed, all it says is "100 sprouted what" is an "avoid". Im a little confused and frustrated so bear with me. Appreciate any feedback. Oh ya, what about the Herba Mate tea, its touted as a "Superfood" although Im caffeine sensitive and it does have "natural Caffeine" Thanks! Diane
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I love mate, it doesn t affect me as coffee does.

BTD and GTD do not sabotage your physiology.....

both systems are fine, followed compliantly.

What is the determinant for 'typing' foods?
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1202698596/s-14/highlight-toxin/#num14
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Dr. D once saying that Genotype trumps the BTD.  This was in response to a question about trying to combine both diets, and could a person eat genotype toxins if they were blood type beneficials.  His answer seemed to be that you could eat blood type avoids that were genotype superfoods,
but you should not eat genotype toxins just because they were blood type beneficials.  This is if you are trying to follow both diets.


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You need to figure out what needs more fixing:

Your genes (then GTD it)
You (then BTD it)


try out your free trial at GTD. com and decide which you want to stick with...there s also an online test to determine which one is right for you
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2008/01/25/?blog=24


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Diane, the two diets approaches are like looking at a statue from two different angles. What you see from the front is different than what you see from the back. Both views are valid, choose the one you prefer to look at. There is a fair amount of overlap though and I think you will find that the Hunter diet is very similar to the O secretor diet. For me, nearly every neutral I had been using became a superfood. Giving up regular use of 3-4 food items was a small price to pay for some other foods I had been craving, like the hard cheeses.    
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You will read different things about Yerba Mate.  All caffeine is "natural."  Coffee, tea, chocolate...what else contains it?  What they don't usually say is that it's not actually caffeine, it's mateine (I think I've spelled that right), which is a stimulant also but of a different sort.  It makes me alert but calm.  It's hard to describe.  I try not to go shopping (especially somewhere that's overwhelming to me sensory-wise, like Walmart) unless I've first had a cup of Mate.  It helps me concentrate and get my job done without zoning.  I wish I'd known about it when I was in school.  I'd love to see a study done with ADD children and Yerba Mate.  It helps me a lot.


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Hi all, Recently found out Im a Hunter type O. I have some questions though. Had I not read the GTD diet and just did BTD I would be sabataging myself with food. . .
Now I understand thru GTD none of these are good for me in fact most of them are "AVOIDS". How could one benefit from the BTD without knowing their genotype? Thanks! Diane


You won't sabotage yourself by following the BTD.  It is a complete program.  The GTD is a complete program also.

Here is an example, and I believe I read something similiar in one of Dr. D's explanations:

Dr. D. wrote ER4YT, which taught people to eat for their blood type.  That was like a map which showed which state you live in.

He wrote LR4YT, which explained the Secretor status.  That was like a map which showed which city you live in.

He wrote The Genotype Diet, which explained a different approach to food choices.  That was like a map which showed what street you live on.

Each of these programs point you in the right direction.

Maybe he will write more and more books which further fine-tune the individualized choices for our health.



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very nice Victoria!


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Diane, the two diets approaches are like looking at a statue from two different angles. What you see from the front is different than what you see from the back. Both views are valid, choose the one you prefer to look at. There is a fair amount of overlap though and I think you will find that the Hunter diet is very similar to the O secretor diet. For me, nearly every neutral I had been using became a superfood. Giving up regular use of 3-4 food items was a small price to pay for some other foods I had been craving, like the hard cheeses.    


Nice...


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Maybe he will write more and more books which further fine-tune the individualized choices for our health.


I think the world needs to catch up to him first. If you give them (the world) to much all at once they just can't handle it.

  


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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Quoted from Andrea AWsec

I think the world needs to catch up to him first. If you give them (the world) to much all at once they just can't handle it.



How many years you think? 50? 100?  
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On the BTD vs. GTD quiz, it asks if we have a blood disorder.  What type of blood disorder would fit the yes answer?

I have hemochromatosis which is really an iron disorder so I'm not sure whether to check yes or no.

Hope someone can help...

thank you.

Nevermind!  Here it is:

Hemochromatosis (HHC) is an inherited condition of abnormal iron metabolism; it is not a blood disease. Individuals with hemochromatosis absorb too much iron from the diet. Iron cannot be excreted therefore the metal
     can reach toxic levels in tissues of major organs such as the liver, heart, pituitary, thyroid, pancreas, and synovium (joints). These overburdened organs cease to function properly and eventually become diseased. Therefore, undiagnosed and untreated HHC increases the risk for diseases and conditions such as diabetes mellitus, irregular heart beat or heart attack, arthritis (osteoarthritis, osteoporosis), cirrhosis of the liver or liver cancer, depression, impotence, infertility, hypothyroidism, hypogonadism, and some cancers. Mismanaged iron in the brain is seen in those patients with neurodegenerative diseases: Alzheimer's, early onset Parkinson's, epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, and Huntington's disease.


So... now when I check no to blood disease, man my GTD score is real high.  

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Thx for all the feedback guys, you are all teriffic! Diane
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So I just did the test again checking yes and not to my different disease catgories, and the only thing that throws me into the BTD areana by the slightest amount is Arthritis.  

Everything else takes me full on to the GTD.  

If I check no to Arthritis, I get FULL GTD recommendation.

So I wonder which foods would be affecting my osteoarthritis which only really hurts in my thumb joints and my neck at times.  

It's weird because my left knee if FULL of osteoarthritis and it NEVER hurts anymore.  

I'd love to hear from others following GTD who have arthritis and if your symptoms have improved over time.  

And the biggest thing is, is that I'm not even sure if the thumb joint pain is from osteoarthritis.  The xrays show nothing... my chiro says it's calcium buildup...

Man trying to figure out one's body is a mess!  Ha.   (not really so funny... )
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Quoted from 1323

I have hemochromatosis which is really an iron disorder so I'm not sure whether to check yes or no.


That would be a "yes" funkymuse, I would think because it involves the blood.  Anyone else?  
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So I just did the test again checking yes and not to my different disease catgories, and the only thing that throws me into the BTD areana by the slightest amount is Arthritis.  

Everything else takes me full on to the GTD.  

If I check no to Arthritis, I get FULL GTD recommendation.

So I wonder which foods would be affecting my osteoarthritis which only really hurts in my thumb joints and my neck at times.  

It's weird because my left knee if FULL of osteoarthritis and it NEVER hurts anymore.  

I'd love to hear from others following GTD who have arthritis and if your symptoms have improved over time.  

And the biggest thing is, is that I'm not even sure if the thumb joint pain is from osteoarthritis.  The xrays show nothing... my chiro says it's calcium buildup...

Man trying to figure out one's body is a mess!  Ha.   (not really so funny... )


You made interesting points here...which related to me..I come out in a dead heat
regarding the BTD or the GTD.  I chose the GTD because it was revolutionary.

However, let's talk about the GTD and arthritis...Me too with the thumbs...but not so much
the neck as hips...AND my chiropractor says that there needs to be a balance point between
hips and shoulders...If the axis is off in the shoulders because of the neck, then it throws
off the hips which translates to the knees.

OK, so I'm going back to the thumbs...and the calcium deposit issue...I was at my wit's
end trying to figure out what suddenly caused this awful thumb issue..I had been taking
a calcium/magnesium supplement...BUT having avoided dairy for so many years and suddenly
including dairy in the Warrior diet, daily I was using Whey protein, eating yogurt a few
times a week, lots of almonds and other high calcium foods, and not particularly eating lots of beans which would be high in magnesium..

I decided to stop all calcium supplements (which were probably the wrong kinds anyway) and just allow the diet to give me plenty....but I decided to take  magnesium citrate a few times a day just to see what would happen.  Within a week, my thumbs quit hurting.  That is not to
say that magnesium stopped the pain. The withdrawal from calcium supplements might
have been the issue.

I  learned something valuable...Sometimes the food is balancing enough and sometimes the supplements are no longer needed as they begin to cause an unbalance, by leaving a
deposit of excess.

Then last week, I tried adding the Clearcal....from NAP...back to achy thumbs....I deducted
that I wasn't ready for calcium...had plenty or else I needed way more magnesium...

I took enough magnesium citrate to bowel tolerance.   Realized it was a lot more than I imagined I'd have needed...and without taking any calcium, I feel rather balanced right now.

What I think happens is that the body makes lots of subtle shifts when you change your diet..
My chiropractor explained it like this:  "Take a totally calm body of water..a lake, for
example... and throw a stone with great force.....To the naked eye, the stone ripples up to a point to where it's visibly vibrating along the water and then you can't perceptibly see
any movement....BUT, on a vibrational level, this stone has impacted this body of water
completely....It will cause movement at the beginning and not stop that movement until
it reaches the end of the body of water and to the naked eye, the time it took for the stone
to stop impacting the body of water was far shorter than it actually was".

Once I had that visual in my head, I realized the impact of all we do...all we eat and drink
and all that influences our body on deeper levels....AND what we rarely ever realize is how
slow a process this all is...how long it might take for the reverberation of anything to reach
it's level and make a complete stop.

The imbalances, I believe have to be tolerated, however uncomfortable until there IS a level
of balance and the intention of the foods/beverages/supplements, activity reach their
final destination...where the body can accept it wholly and heal completely.

I sometimes feel like I'm in total alignment from a chiropractor's adjustment, only to actually
FEEL quite disorganized, disheveled, and just like someone shook me up and left me to find
my own new equilbrium, my body seemed more comfortable being unbalanced. It was all
I knew or felt..I had managed to adjust and accept my own dysfunction.  Sometimes
functional feels like dysfunction when it's not.

This is what I feel about the GTD....It shakes me up, moves me around in an attempt to  find
equilibrium and it takes awhile before my entire being can accept so much movement and
settle down to feel that this newfound place is the right place to be.

It's why I don't think 6 months was quite long enough to do the GTD and expect miracles
for everyone.  Personally, I'm giving it a year....Lots of progress, but often it doesn't feel
perfectly wonderful within my body!  

I keep seeing that stone rippling very slowly..and have
the patience to keep on going.





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have you all read Dr D s latest?
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2008/09/22/yougenics?blog=24
brilliant!
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But foods work differently than drugs. For example, we dont make energy out of drugs; they dont fuel our cellular processes. Foods are functional entities in our bodies, not drugs that prevent deficiencies, and our reactions to food are much more individualized than those we have to drugs.


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I'd love to hear from others following GTD who have arthritis and if your symptoms have improved over time.  


I've been on the Hunter diet since January. I have less pain in joints that hurt for years.  I've been attributing it to an increase in exercise, specifically starting doing Nia, a kind of dance/martial arts/Feldenkrais thing, but it could also be due to eliminating gluten, which has been huge for me.
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Well, it is brilliant and I see that he's answered my question about why the BTD might
work for those who have autism..Dr. D says that the avoidance of lectins might
be why.  And I've got a friend with an 18 year old grandson who has Asperger's, a form
of autism.  I will surely pass on this information to her, along with a copy of ER4YT
so she has a grasp of the lectin concept!  Thanks for sharing this Lola...much appreciated!



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I'd love to hear from others following GTD who have arthritis and if your symptoms have improved over time.  



Yes, and yes!  I used to have constant aching in the joints of some of my fingers, and my right hand was so stiff in the morning, I couldn't close my hand!

This morning, I made a tight fist when I woke up, and realized that it has been a long time since my hand was stiff.  I have no pain in my joints, and my flexibility is greatly improved.  9 months on the GTD.  



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What I think happens is that the body makes lots of subtle shifts when you change your diet..
My chiropractor explained it like this:  "Take a totally calm body of water..a lake, for
example... and throw a stone with great force.....To the naked eye, the stone ripples up to a point to where it's visibly vibrating along the water and then you can't perceptibly see
any movement....BUT, on a vibrational level, this stone has impacted this body of water
completely....It will cause movement at the beginning and not stop that movement until
it reaches the end of the body of water and to the naked eye, the time it took for the stone
to stop impacting the body of water was far shorter than it actually was".

Once I had that visual in my head, I realized the impact of all we do...all we eat and drink
and all that influences our body on deeper levels....AND what we rarely ever realize is how
slow a process this all is...how long it might take for the reverberation of anything to reach
it's level and make a complete stop.

The imbalances, I believe have to be tolerated, however uncomfortable until there IS a level
of balance and the intention of the foods/beverages/supplements, activity reach their
final destination...where the body can accept it wholly and heal completely.

I sometimes feel like I'm in total alignment from a chiropractor's adjustment, only to actually
FEEL quite disorganized, disheveled, and just like someone shook me up and left me to find
my own new equilbrium, my body seemed more comfortable being unbalanced. It was all
I knew or felt..I had managed to adjust and accept my own dysfunction.  Sometimes
functional feels like dysfunction when it's not.

This is what I feel about the GTD....It shakes me up, moves me around in an attempt to  find
equilibrium and it takes awhile before my entire being can accept so much movement and
settle down to feel that this newfound place is the right place to be.

It's why I don't think 6 months was quite long enough to do the GTD and expect miracles
for everyone.  Personally, I'm giving it a year....Lots of progress, but often it doesn't feel
perfectly wonderful within my body!  

I keep seeing that stone rippling very slowly..and have
the patience to keep on going.




I love your visual example, since this is how my mind works, also.  This is a very good example that you have given.  I hear people saying that they eat certain avoids or GTD toxins and don't have any problems with them.  My thought is that just because they don't notice an obvious change in their physical condition does not mean that the food is not causing serious changes.  Diseases are generally slow in developing, and many are silent as they develop.  

I agree with your assessment on time, invisible effects and patience.



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Let me not pass you by in quest
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I agree with your assessment on time, invisible effects and patience.
In agreement here too! And very well said, Victoria and Chloe!


I'm onto you, 'euphoria'
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I am B+ and have MS, we'll wait and see wait happens with the new way of eating.
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bdavid, best of luck to you and tell us all about your path....
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bdavid, best of luck to you and tell us all about your path....


I ditto Janyeeo...bdavid!



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OK, so I'm going back to the thumbs...and the calcium deposit issue...I was at my wit's
end trying to figure out what suddenly caused this awful thumb issue..I had been taking
a calcium/magnesium supplement...BUT having avoided dairy for so many years and suddenly
including dairy in the Warrior diet, daily I was using Whey protein, eating yogurt a few
times a week, lots of almonds and other high calcium foods, and not particularly eating lots of beans which would be high in magnesium..

I decided to stop all calcium supplements (which were probably the wrong kinds anyway) and just allow the diet to give me plenty....but I decided to take  magnesium citrate a few times a day just to see what would happen.  Within a week, my thumbs quit hurting.  That is not to
say that magnesium stopped the pain. The withdrawal from calcium supplements might
have been the issue.


You may have a vitamin K deficiency.



Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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You may have a vitamin K deficiency.



Oh my... this is interesting.. please elaborate!  Does calcium and/or Magnesium need Vit. K to work properly?
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