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accidental_chef
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Product Information: http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O39-PuffedWheat.html

Under GT, puffed wheat is not listed and therefore deemed Neutral for all GTs except Gatherers for whom it's a Toxin.

Question: Does the puffing alter the lectins in wheat grains? How different would it be from say 100% sprouted wheat, which by the way is a Black Dot for all GTs except Explorers & Warriors, for whom it's a Super Food.

Whole grain wheat is a Toxin for all GTs except Teachers (not listed therefore deemed Neutral)and Warriors (Super Food)

Any comments/thoughts...?


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no wheat for me, sorry .....


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no wheat for me, sorry .....


wish you read my post Isa...


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That link didn't show anything...at least on my computer.


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Hi A.C., I do believe wheat is avoid also puffed if you as  an Hunter are gluten sensitive. The sprouting could help wheat to be tolerated, not just the puffing !
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puffed wheat would be a black dot as well for hunters....
the puffed wheat I see around here, looks like it could have a very high glycemic count...try finding whole puffed wheat instead, that might have more fiber and thus lower the glycemic index as well.


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Quoted from Ribbit
That link didn't show anything...at least on my computer.


Just checked again, and it works. May be your browser...? You could also try http://www.encyclopedia.com and type out Puffed Wheat in their search column.

Maria, yes, I agree. The reason I'm asking is not b'coz I want to eat it  . I cant coz any form of wheat triggers severe bronchitis, another Hunter speciality  .

I'm doing research on Asian food anthropology and corn and wheat pop up quite frequently. Just look at how values change:

Whole grain wheat: Toxin for all GTs except Warriors (Super Food) & Teachers (Not Listed, therefore Neutral)

100% sprouted wheat: Black Dot for all GTs except Warriors & Explorers (Super Food)

Puffed Wheat: Not listed (therefore Neutral) for most GTs except Gatherers (Toxin)

So from Toxin, the status gets "elevated" to a Black dot, then to a Neutral.

Puffing involves high pressure, like popping corn. So I was curious whether it is this process that changes the toxicity level.

Lola, interesting point about GI values. Could be the reason why it's a down right avoid for GT2s coz of their metabolic issues. But I would've thought Warriors too would have that challenge and Teacher's coz of their bacterial over growth...

Please share your thoughts!


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dearle as Ribbit sayed...I can't read anything on a white sheet
and I wouldn't go for any gluten or gliadin sensitive humans to eat wheat .....


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Quoted from Amazone I.
dearle as Ribbit sayed...I can't read anything on a white sheet
and I wouldn't go for any gluten or gliadin sensitive humans to eat wheat .....


See my reply to Ribbit, Isa  

And that wasnt my question at all....




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Lola, interesting point about GI values. Could be the reason why it's a down right avoid for GT2s coz of their metabolic issues. But I would've thought Warriors too would have that challenge and Teacher's coz of their bacterial over growth...

So ditto avoid wheat also for Isa Tomatilla reasons!!!
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Quoted from accidental_chef
Product Information: http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O39-PuffedWheat.html

Under GT, puffed wheat is not listed and therefore deemed Neutral for all GTs except Gatherers for whom it's a Toxin.

Question: Does the puffing alter the lectins in wheat grains? How different would it be from say 100% sprouted wheat, which by the way is a Black Dot for all GTs except Explorers & Warriors, for whom it's a Super Food.

Whole grain wheat is a Toxin for all GTs except Teachers (not listed therefore deemed Neutral)and Warriors (Super Food)

Any comments/thoughts...?


My treatment would be to treat puffed wheat the same as whole grain wheat. There is no reason to think that the 'puffing' would change the rating. For Hunters, wheat gluten is a toxin and the gluten is still present.
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Here are a couple of links that both talk about puffed grains as being toxic in comparison to the whole grain...

Puffed Grains & Breakfast Cereals : Should We Eat Them?
Avoiding Environmental Threats to Health

From the 2nd link...

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if you heat food over 375 deg. F, HAAs are created, where HAA= hetero-cyclic aeromatic amines. These are ultra- carcinogenic. Puffed grains are toxic; they are produced under high temperature and pressure, which alters their protein molecules. If you feed puffed grains to animals, it will kill them.
I'm not sure how reliable these sources are, but there is enough here to make me want to look further into it.


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whole grain wheat has a lower glycemic index than puffed, due to the wheat germ present in whole wheat.

puffed any grain is void of its fiber and our body processes it as sugar.

whenever I have puffed quinoa, I always add some protein and fat to it, so my sugar levels don t spike up.


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this all goes for me under *complex carbs*.... so here for the A2B nonnies.... rrred lamp.....
and next sorry...wheat is equal in what kind of beings...but just as a trigger for nearly all kind of bt's....sorry I see this
daily in my praxis, nearly all of my clients show up a sort of incompability....meant here is....: achings  of all kinds, inflammations
and water retentions.... f. ex.
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Lola what's puffed wheat in Spanish?


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Quoted from Amazone I.
this all goes for me under *complex carbs*.... so here for the A2B nonnies.... rrred lamp.....
and next sorry...wheat is equal in what kind of beings...but just as a trigger for nearly all kind of bt's....sorry I see this
daily in my praxis, nearly all of my clients show up a sort of incompability....meant here is....: achings  of all kinds, inflammations
and water retentions.... f. ex.
btw... I prefer to use my own head instead of listening to any kind of...   I don't need a pre-basher


Isa what carbs do you eat like a bread?


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I don't eat any kind of breads...

but sometimes a kind of speltcrackers.....


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Quoted from accidental_chef
Question: Does the puffing alter the lectins in wheat grains? How different would it be from say 100% sprouted wheat?

Puffing is done using moist heat(steam) and pressure...  I haven't found any information to indicate whether the whole grain is puffed or if the bran and hull is removed first...

Sprouting is allowing the seed to germinate.  Dr. D has stated that the sprouting process destroys the lectin (at least partially)...

I don't see any similarity between the two processes.


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Thanks for all your replies.

I put forward this question simply bcoz I'm researching ancient grains and civilizations. Sorry to see that no one saw that aspect of it  

ABJoe, there was no implication that sprouting and puffing were similar processes. My query was pondering over the status of puffed wheat as a Neutral versus whole wheat as a Toxin. If sprouting destroys lectins, then why is sprouted wheat a Black Dot and not a Neutral?

Isa, wheat attained its evil status only in recent times with genetic modifications. In our extended family many Blood Type A Explorers, Warriors and Teachers are doing well with special varieties of wheat. Puffed wheat delicacies have been around in these parts of the world for centuries. Sorry Isa, we might have to agree to disagee  

Lola, good point. The delicacies I referred to: the savoury ones have black eyed peas & chick peas mixed with ginger and other spices, while the sweet ones have jaggery and dried ginger and cloves. Also, during fasting periods some make puffed wheat porridge with either fish or chicken in it. I never knew about blood sugar spikes till you mentioned it, thanks  

Teri, thanks for the links. Just to clarify something, my question isnt about "can we eat puffed wheat". I'm studying the food catagories in the GT book and it compliments many of the information I have gathered about food, beverage and cuisines of Asia, unlike the BT books.

Lloyd, I see where you are coming from, but it puzzles me that if this food can be specifically listed for GT2s as Toxins and for others not mentioned at all, then surely it must be a Neutral. Like Kefir & Buffalo milk being Neutrals for Hunters  .

Maria, sorry I dont agree with you bcoz it's not as simple as that! We'll just move on from here my friend  ..


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I agree with Lloyd, to treat it the same as wheat.  That it's listed for one type is probably an anomaly (or omission for the other types).  I don't think bacon is listed as a toxin for one type, but I'd bet money that it still is a toxin to them...

Thinking of wheat and ancient grains, for those who can have kamut, the puffed version is lovely...I used to love it before I realized it didn't love me.

Lola-  Where oh where do you get puffed quinoa?  Puffed millet is a staple in my house, I use it in meatballs and meatloaf, etc.


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Quoted from Melissa_J
That it's listed for one type is probably an anomaly (or omission for the other types).


Exactly. Typo/errata of some sort.

Wheat, puffed does show up in the DDE tool as a sortable food. Given that there is zero (0) chance in my mind that it would not be a Hunter toxin, the remaining possibility is that it was inadvertently left out for some type(s) or was not intended to be listed at all for any. We'll see...

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the puffed quinoa comes from Peru.....the package doesn t have a web address.....


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GoGo Quinoa is the brand I can get here. Maybe just sold in Canada, though.  


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