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funkymuse
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Quoted from accidental_chef
Here Sivani, take a look see about what compliance means:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=GC/m-1142920713



This is a GREAT Thread.  I wasn't posting or reading during this time (2006) because Hubby and I were down from surgeries.  But nice to go back and pick this info. up.

Here is a post from that thread (since I can't post on it anymore) with my concern following:

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A week and a half of compliance is not an adequate test...   It took me three weeks with no corn to reduce the concentration in the body enough to stop the constant headache.    

Initially, I too gained weight.  In studying the situation, I determined that the reason I gained weight initially when eating beneficial foods was that they were foods that the body could use for food, and since it stores food when it has had very little, it immediately stored any excess until food came in regularly enough for the body to realize that it didn't have to be in starvation mode.  After about two months, the weight started to melt away (about 30 lbs {15%} in 2 months)...  Now it has been cycling in about a 10 lb range that is comfortable for about a year.

You need to do exercise, even if you walk for an hour focussing on walking correctly this will have quite a large benefit.


Wow... is this really the case?  Have others experienced this?  I am stuck at a weight loss plateau and can't figure out why.  I've only been really good and compliant about 6 weeks and have lost approx. 7 lbs.  But it seems to be stuck there at least presently.  

I'd love to know that I should just keep on trucking and not worry about it.  It's my old dieting mentality trying to sneak in.

Also talking about compliance of the major avoids.. would sprouted wheat like in Eziekel bread be a major avoid on the GTD Hunter regime?  I know wheat is in itself but what about a grain sprouted bread that has many other sprouted grains besides the sprouted wheat?  

Sometimes I like to have a sandwich and I use the Eziekel Sprouted Grain bread.  I don't want to keep using it if the sprouted wheat ingredient is now a huge avoid.

Also (that BTD compliance thread really got me to thinking); what would be the major avoids for Hunters?  Probably not the same as BTD O's since some of the foods have moved into Black Dot territory such as corn which was a major avoid on the BTD.

Wheat for sure
Dairy

What else?

I'm asking because on the level of compliance info. on that other thread, it's info. was geared toward the BTD and I'd like to fall into Catagory 3 of compliance adhearence only consuming Avoids (which don't include the major ones); less than 4-5 times a week.

Thanks and sorry for all the questions!  
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My impression of GTD is that the black-dots are the items you can consume a few times a week for the Cat 3 compliance. Which would make the other toxins more in the major avoid category. That would mean that GT2 still has corn as a major avoid and logically explains why the O diet treats corn as a major avoid.

I would think that for O's, comparison between GT1 and GT2 may be informative that way for other items as well, though it will not explain other things. A's compare between GT3 and GT5 the same way, perhaps.

There may be other ideas to add after some reflection, your post is thought provoking.
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Man if the black dots are the items to consume less than 4-5 times a week for Catagory 3 compliance, I would suppose I fall more into Catagory 2.  In the last 2 weeks, we have eaten the following black dots:

An avocado, necterine, apple, cashews, had coconut milk in a recipe, had two pieces of eziekel bread that had the sprouted wheat grain, I had some grapes one night at dinner, had some decaf coffee while traveling and had some mayo with apple cider vinegar on a sandwich.  (for clarity, these are all Hunter Black dots).

It's definitely thought provoking because those compliance factors were aimed back then at the BTD.  So it would be interesting to have Dr. D chime in on GTD compliance catagories!  
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Funkymuse, are you working out at least 5 times a week..cardio, resistance?
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Funkymuse, are you working out at least 5 times a week..cardio, resistance?


I do an elliptical for 45 min to an hour every other day.  Then floor work (sit ups, stretching, etc.); and a 45 minute sauna on the other days.  

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It all depends on your health and weight loss goals. It is ok to be more complaint then ease up as needed.


I know for me that  the more I do the better I feel the better I feel the happier I am.


Compliance should make you happy.


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Well I thought for sure we'd get more of a discussion going on compliancy but maybe not!   ha..

I guess I'll just move forward continuting to follow the instructions for the Hunter foods in the beginning of the chapter on the Hunter Diet as far as a good definition of complianancy for the GTD specifically vs. the BTD.

  It does seem however, from the instructions paragraph, that black dots are worse than neutrals overall.  
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Sounds like you have a good plan.


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I do an elliptical for 45 min to an hour every other day.  Then floor work (sit ups, stretching, etc.); and a 45 minute sauna on the other days.  


Girl, you must not be that overweight..what? 5 pounds?  
Now the other thing is going by your body shape. Ever see Escape your Shape on tv? The shapes are spoon shape (like me, big bottom) or a cone shape (heavy on the top, skinny legs) or a ruler (straight up and down the same). And of course there is the perfect hour glass shape with the tiny waist..(not me). I, as a spoon can't do heavy resistance like elliptical or stairmaster or heavy resistance on a exercise bike because I'll just bulk up heavier on the bottom and I won't lose weight.  I should use resistance (weights) for my upper body only to balance it. Kind of co-insides with Dr. D's exercise program for A's..amazing. How does he do that?! He's Brilliant. I must gush again.. it's been awhile... Anyway, get my point?
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Before reading more into the blood type diet and genotype diet I used to use coconut oil and apple cider vinegar and the cabbage soup diet and I always had comments about how skinny I was, I am an hourglass and have filled out more since I stopped all those remedies but I can't get used to my extra weight so I really want to try the apple cider vinegar again.
I just found out Im a non-secretor so ACV is a no no - but Im only thinking of taking a few tablespoons a day - how do I know how bad this is as a non-secretor? does anyone know?
Coconut oil is a nuetral so Ill try that again too.
With the cabbage soup diet I was just going to change the cabbage past to bok chouy.
I am being told I look really good though so thats nice but at 1.62m tall & being 54 kgs instead of 50 or less is really depressing me - maybe it's just me not being comfortable with myself or accepting myself?


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Funky Muse, I just saw this thread!

My personal experience: I dont consciously reach out for black dots. Stuff like Spelt, Oats etc., make me wheez. Stuff like lentils give me gas. Stuff like egg plant, yard long beans, spinach, carrots etc., which used to be my favourites, just dont have any flavour anymore! However, I reserve these vegetables & lentils for visits. Coffee makes me sleepy. Certain black dot nuts dont give obvious reactions but certain others make me burp and gives me indigestion. Same for black dot fruits. As for oils & ghee, I have a personal rule of making these good fats 20% of my meal. It's something that I picked up in the ER/LR book. Infact, without getting too hung upon numbers, I personally follow this: 40% protein, 30% Carbs from fruits & veggies, 10% Carbs from grains and 20% fats. I've played around with it and have found this ratio to sit well with me.

As for exercise, it's funny really. Up until about 2 months ago exercise was part and parcel of my life. Something natural, like breathing. Then I developed some imbalances and in order to take care of it I had to stay away from physical straining...but I continued eating my diamonds and super foods. Black dots would creep in from time to time when eating out.

What I noticed last weekend was that I had lost almost 2kg, and my clothes continue to hang on me. There is more definition in my physique, and that helps when you're slightly taller than 5 feet with a short torso

Over at our Fresh Start Week thread, Lakeslady, another Hunter, has been off exercises for similar reasons, but she's been eating fairly well, and she remarked that she had lost weight without even trying.

I'm not even trying to lose weight. It isnt my goal. I look at the food lists and I know what my limits are and what my options are. If I find a recipe which calls for a black dot, I would sub it with a diamond or a super bennie. At the most a neutral. Black dots appear benign...but for me personally they turn around and bite me!


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I stick with diamond food choices...that works best for me. The reward is worth the sacrifice. I'm in really good shape. I credit my unwaivering dedication to "the Plan" and Dr. D. for directing me in the way I need to go to achieve such success.
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So Rex, can I clarify something?  You only eat diamond foods?  Or do you also include the superfoods listed for your GT?  Just wondering how hard it would be to only have the diamond foods in your diet.  


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Caz.. where you are in life is always a factor, menopause, illness, pregnancy, are all reasons to eat differently.

You are 38.. Rex is 69. (so glad you both put your b-days so we can help more effectively)

Increased compliance as you get older is not that hard, you feel the difference, when you don't eat right.




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Cas B: Yes, I eat only diamond foods...it's not that hard for me since I've been this rigid all my life with other eating plans.

Andrea:  In my case, it's not because I'm 69 years old tht I have an easy time being so ridigly compliant...I've always been that way.

Recently my husband has allowed me to control his diet after seeing my success and he too has had great results...he's lost eight pounds that have stayed off...he is being very rigid too.  This is additional proof for me that if you follow the plan...it works.
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Not to take away from your plan Rex at all but:

In my experience it seems one would loose some nutrition if one stayed on diamonds only.

I think the major suggestion in the book for every genotype is that we eat from all the superfood and diamond choices.

And I understand we will all do whats best for us but eating only diamonds and being so restricted is not for me and I personally would never suggest it to any newbie or anyone actually, especially if they were battling an eating addiction.  Being so strict would only feed the deeper core issues of "control," that usually go hand in hand with these diseases.




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My point was merely that people have different needs and goals.


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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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I am being told I look really good though so thats nice but at 1.62m tall & being 54 kgs instead of 50 or less is really depressing me - maybe it's just me not being comfortable with myself or accepting myself?

Huntress, you were starving yourself, and now you've filled out UP to your healthy weight.  I think you should just accept where you're at, and not let our society's super-skinny notion of beauty get under your skin.

From the numbers you gave, your BMI is 20.6, which is on the bottom half of the "normal" range.  http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmi-m.htm

I also wonder if you are a mesomorph?  A lot of Os are.
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I also strictly follow the guidelines for excercise in addition to adhering to the diamond food choices...this is another factor responsible for the reason that I have been able to achieve such great success. I have always been this strict with excercising since I was 15 years old & decided that I just did not want to be overweight anymore...175 pounds then, 126 pounds now. I also have 4 grown children...4 pregnancies in 5 1/2 years.  Success can be accomplished against great odds if you are willing to dedicate yourself to attaining it.
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Huntress, you were starving yourself, and now you've filled out UP to your healthy weight.  I think you should just accept where you're at, and not let our society's super-skinny notion of beauty get under your skin.





You deserve an award for this comment! And from a man at that!  A double award!!! Congrats my friend... you have seen through the bull... Alright!  Amen!  
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I am being told I look really good though so thats nice but at 1.62m tall & being 54 kgs instead of 50 or less is really depressing me - maybe it's just me not being comfortable with myself or accepting myself?


So, you're 5'3 and 119 pounds? Uh, sounds normal to underweight. Unless you have really, really tiny bones girl. You don't need a diet. I agree with your last sentence.  My mom was 5'1" and weighed 118 when she was young. She look very thin her pictures. If you eat healthy, and exercise, you should let your body weigh what it wants. If you force it to be thinner, you could cause all kinds of trouble.
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If you eat healthy, and exercise, you should let your body weigh what it wants. If you force it to be thinner, you could cause all kinds of trouble.


When I was younger you could have told me this and I would have fought you to the death as I wanted to be skinny skinny skinny like all the vogue models and every other altered magazine cover.  I starved and controlled every portion of fat and protein.  I did every diet and diet drug to stay thin.  To look gaunt.  To have a skinny backend.  My chest was bone thin with ribs sticking out of my back and I thought I was the bomb.    

Now I have massive white lines in my poor little fingers, and a sensitive stomach and it's taken me years to heal from that abuse.  And it IS abuse.  Poor body.  Poor girl. What I put myself through unknowingly.  

I love that sentence "let your body weigh what it wants."  This will be the first time in my life that that is my goal.  

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If you force it to be thinner, you could cause all kinds of trouble.


This is so extremely true.  You cause all kinds of issues with your blood sugar levels, your estrogen, everything!  Every body function suffers from the ups and downs and dieting and fear of not being thin enough.  And it builds up over the years into chronic conditions when we are older.

Be different than I was and think about the advice of those who have been though all that and can offer some kind words of experience.


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Drive55...considering your youth, you're quite a special guy with a feeling for what really matters. I think that we all wish that we knew more people like you. Actually, when I think about it, another guy that thinks as you do is Rodney, his kindness & sensitivity speaks loudly through his posts.

Funky...you have a point about including the superfoods...I will start incorporating them to balance out my nutritional requirements but will still tend to lean heavily on the diamonds...as it is said, diamonds are a girl's best friend...it seems to work that way for me too.
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Rex, I would eat all the beneficials if you don't want to eat any neutrals. Wow. No wonder you're not in our Fresh Start thread!  
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You deserve an award for this comment! And from a man at that!  A double award!!! Congrats my friend... you have seen through the bull... Alright!  Amen!  


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Drive55...considering your youth, you're quite a special guy with a feeling for what really matters. I think that we all wish that we knew more people like you.


Thank you both!  I haven't been one to like something just because it's "popular" or "fashionable"; skinny, boney girls included.  There are very few women who look healthy when they are slender enough for the catwalk, and the ones who do would still look better with a little more meat on their bones.

Most women are curvy when they are healthy, and everybody looks better when they are healthier!
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Diana...you're so cute...what a winning personality you have. Yes, the most I'll compromise is to add super-beneficials to my daily choices...even though black dots are there...I'll still prefer do stay away from them.
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Well Rex, I am impressed at anyone that can stick with just diamond foods.  I tend to understand more where Funkymuse is coming from.  I am definitely "carb-addicted" and have felt helpless for so long because I am strict for a couple of days but then the craving gets so bad on the 3rd day that I'm basically crying and give in and binge.

I can also relate to Huntress, at 21 when I got married I was 1.64cm tall and weighed 51kg (which I felt was about 2kg too much at the time).  I had no bones sticking out I was curvy and looked good but I felt I had a little too much padding on my legs and bottom.  (Now I know, hey I'm a gatherer!)  

I'm at the opposite end of the scales now and have battled weight problems for 14 yrs since falling pregnant with my 1st child.  Anyway I'm getting off track!  I am wanting to try the GTD and am thinking of sticking with Diamonds and Superfoods, does anyone think this will help with the cravings if I stuff myself silly with diamonds (only half kidding   )


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Cas B...paying atention to the suggested daily "quantities" for each food even on the GTD is as important as choosing any particular food...it all works together to have a positive result. There is also the issue of will power...If you can just "say no" to your cravings you will be able to beat failure & turn it into success.  I don't give-in to my cravings...I feel that I relinquish my control if I give-in...I refuse to give my power away to a craving or to anything for that matter.  
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at 21 when I got married I was 1.64cm tall and weighed 51kg (which I felt was about 2kg too much at the time).  I had no bones sticking out I was curvy and looked good but I felt I had a little too much padding on my legs and bottom.

1.64 cm tall and 51 kg would make your BMI 189619.3.  That's pretty curvy!
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I was never starving myself - I was eating all the time and still really slim - now after trynig to stick to these diets I have rolls of fat around my belly and I don't feel right anymore.

This morning I posted somewhere here about how I wish we could all just eat what we wanted eithout worrying about anything and then I looked up/googled spiritual eating and found a weightloss Gods way site which Im reading about now - I am so happy and at peace that I found it as it confirms how Im thinking and what Im going through spiritually.


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Huntress, you were starving yourself, and now you've filled out UP to your healthy weight.  I think you should just accept where you're at, and not let our society's super-skinny notion of beauty get under your skin.

From the numbers you gave, your BMI is 20.6, which is on the bottom half of the "normal" range.  http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmi-m.htm

I also wonder if you are a mesomorph?  A lot of Os are.




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I was never starving myself - I was eating all the time and still really slim - now after trynig to stick to these diets I have rolls of fat around my belly and I don't feel right anymore.




Did you actually stick to the diets or just "try" to stick to them?  Real strong compliancy, or were you on and off, adding this and that... etc., etc.?  You don't have to answer, it's a question for your personal contemplation.

Rolls of fat around the belly sound pretty extreme and usually come from a lot of eating and not much exercising; or thyroid imbalance or really messed up hormonal levels.  These are all things to think about.

One of the things about Spiritual practices with eating which would include the 12 step programs (which are very very deeply spiritually based), is that they require rigerous honesty about your food and then your life.

I'm glad you found a website that can support your spiritual growth in this.  It will be nice to have that support group in addition to this one.

I would also suggest if you don't already have one, a really good Naturalpath who can test your adrenals and hormonal levels.  

It's a tough journey to get the balance of food we need and to continue to take responsibility for our health and well being on all counts, without getting obsessed about it all!  


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Yes Im thinking it's definately something to do with thyroid / hormones & would like to see a naturopath.

I definatley dont eat too  much and I excersize about 4-5 hours a week.

I haven't followed it perfectly - has anyone followed it perfectly? finding out genotype and following that and then I started feeling sick after adding some foods that were meant to be beneficial like cod liver oil and then finding out secretor status and it then saying not to have cod liver oil.

I'm pretty sure it's all in my mind as you say with obsessing and all these changes have made me stress and the stress is making me put on weight I believe.
The site I found talks about getting to the root of your issues and that it's not about what you eat but whats eating you - which all rings bells to me.

It is in no way the 'diets' fault but my own thinking and obsessing as you say.




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I was never starving myself - I was eating all the time and still really slim - now after trynig to stick to these diets I have rolls of fat around my belly and I don't feel right anymore.

I was eating all the time between 10 and 35 as well, but I was starving to death because most of what I was eating was toxin...  Once I started eating according to the BTD, I gained weight for about two months, then fell back down to a more normal weight for me...  I've never been one to carry much extra weight, so to be as heavy as I was after two months, was a bit shocking...  
I am now at a reasonably comfortable weight, but the roll in the middle comes and goes as I detox all of the garbage from my previous errant diet...  The garbage is being removed at a rapid pace, but may still take a year to complete.  This will still be pretty rapid since it all got packed in during 25 or 30 years...


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try the iodine test.....
and add kelp or fucus in your diet if you test low in iodine....
helps jump start our slow thyroid function.
check the nap store for the fucus
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP007
http://www.4yourtype.com/fucus.asp


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Thanks guys - that all makes sense too.
I feel lighter already in body and mind and soul
& feel really happy about these amazing new discoveries.


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Cas B...paying atention to the suggested daily "quantities" for each food even on the GTD is as important as choosing any particular food...it all works together to have a positive result. There is also the issue of will power...If you can just "say no" to your cravings you will be able to beat failure & turn it into success.  I don't give-in to my cravings...I feel that I relinquish my control if I give-in...I refuse to give my power away to a craving or to anything for that matter.  


Rex, you're right I shouldn't binge, even on diamond foods.  I need to get myself REALLY organised so I have good food at EVERY meal.  The willpower has been extremely weak for a long time now, I think suffering bouts of depression and now the adrenal fatigue don't help but I know I need to get my act together.  I'm an all or nothing type of girl and when I fail I give up - this has got to change.  I know it can be done because others here have done it.


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1.64 cm tall and 51 kg would make your BMI 189619.3.  That's pretty curvy!


Hey Drive, you're not being cheeky are you??  

I truly was curvy!  My measurements were 36/26/36.  The only time I was ever scrawny was when I was a young child in a messed up family situation.

Anyway, I don't think the BMI is that reliable because it doesn't take into account whether the weight is fat or muscle and whether the person is small or large boned.  I think a much more accurate way of determining whether someone is underweight/overweight or just right is measuring body fat percentage.


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Me, cheeky?  Never.

I agree that body composition is a much better tool, but I was just working for the information available.
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Cas B...Yes, IMO anything can be done if you set your mind strongly to it.
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Keep the humour going I like it !
I think we need to laugh more and stop getting too serious-even if I do speak for myself.
I am going to try to stop focusing on my goal weight and focus on feeling great instead I think.
Caz my heart goes completely out to you with you regarding your adrenal fatigue and depression. Do you know the main thing thats holding you back into getting better?



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Keep the humour going I like it !
I think we need to laugh more and stop getting too serious-even if I do speak for myself.
I am going to try to stop focusing on my goal weight and focus on feeling great instead I think.
Caz my heart goes completely out to you with you regarding your adrenal fatigue and depression. Do you know the main thing thats holding you back into getting better?



The sometimes overwhelming fatigue is a big factor in how I'm coping.  I believe 100% that the BTD/GTD is the way to go and I even like most of the food choices.  Every time I research something it seems like Dr D has got it - spot on    Pretty impressive!!  

It's also hard to find anything but the basics in regards to food choices around my area.  With a young family to look after I need things to be rather simple because there's something going on almost every day.  I'll get there, there's just way too many factors to mention and some of them are pretty intense.

I really think you have it when you say keep the humour coming Huntress!  It does your heart good to be silly sometimes.  There are so many lovely people on this forum that set such good examples for us.  And yes, focusing on feeling well is a great idea and the weight loss should come easier if your not stressed  


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Funky Muse, I just saw this thread!

My personal experience: I dont consciously reach out for black dots. Stuff like Spelt, Oats etc., make me wheez. Stuff like lentils give me gas. Stuff like egg plant, yard long beans, spinach, carrots etc., which used to be my favourites, just dont have any flavour anymore! However, I reserve these vegetables & lentils for visits. Coffee makes me sleepy. Certain black dot nuts dont give obvious reactions but certain others make me burp and gives me indigestion. Same for black dot fruits.


I don't even eat these things anymore!  I tried to give carrots a go but they were not interesting.  I haven't touched spelt or oats in awhile now.  The black dots I have to be careful with are the ones I enjoy like Avocado and Apricots and Necterines!  But I'm working to stay away from those right now as an experiment to see if my weight or other health issues change.  It's complicated for me because of this hemochromatosis which makes me feel awful all over if I have too much Iron which i do presently.


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As for oils & ghee, I have a personal rule of making these good fats 20% of my meal. It's something that I picked up in the ER/LR book. Infact, without getting too hung upon numbers, I personally follow this: 40% protein, 30% Carbs from fruits & veggies, 10% Carbs from grains and 20% fats. I've played around with it and have found this ratio to sit well with me.


I can't do any percentages or measurements due to my addiction habits and patterns from the past.  It really kicks in 'dieting mentality' for me and that is one thing I'm working to stay abstinent from.  You see, for most folks who are addicts, 'diets' were a way to control their issues rather than deal with them.  The 'diet' became the focus rather than just working to find a bottom line of abstinence to stick with, eating right and exercising and then beginning to deal with emotional issues.  

One cannot deal with interior emotional pain and past trauma when one is drunk (or brain chemistry altered from bad food or illusionary low calorie dieting).  When you are eating junk and binging you are drunk.  You are brain chemistry altered.  Also when you are 'dieting' per se' with the glorious illusion of permanent weight loss and 'finally getting control' of your eating hanging over your head, you are drunk. (you are brain chemistry altered by the illusion that you are going to get it right this time).  You are in illusion land.  Because what it truly takes is just settling down into a routine of taking the time to make sure you stick with your bottom line abstinence (mine is 3 moderate meals per day with no random eating inbetween NO MATTER WHAT); and focusing on the 1st step toward freedom from crazed and controlled eating.  As your brain chemistry balances and you get into a rhythm with your meal planning and eating moderately, then you can begin to dig into working on emotional issues.  

Most folks try to do it all at once and it's virtually impossible until you reach a strong place with your abstinence away from junk eating or grazing, and 'dieting mentality.'

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As for exercise, it's funny really. Up until about 2 months ago exercise was part and parcel of my life. Something natural, like breathing. Then I developed some imbalances and in order to take care of it I had to stay away from physical straining...but I continued eating my diamonds and super foods. Black dots would creep in from time to time when eating out.

What I noticed last weekend was that I had lost almost 2kg, and my clothes continue to hang on me. There is more definition in my physique, and that helps when you're slightly taller than 5 feet with a short torso

Over at our Fresh Start Week thread, Lakeslady, another Hunter, has been off exercises for similar reasons, but she's been eating fairly well, and she remarked that she had lost weight without even trying.


I know that when you don't exercise you loose muscle weight and mass so most likely that is what is happening.  Also your body might tend to store more muscle fluids when exercising on a regular basis.  

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I'm not even trying to lose weight. It isnt my goal. I look at the food lists and I know what my limits are and what my options are. If I find a recipe which calls for a black dot, I would sub it with a diamond or a super bennie. At the most a neutral. Black dots appear benign...but for me personally they turn around and bite me!


In reading your posts over the course of my time here, I think you are doing a great job.  It gets back to what we each are facing personally.  

Some folks like Rex can gain weight and then decide to stop and they have luck with it.  For addicts or folks that are facing really bad brain chemistry upset with adrenals and hormonal issues, that ability to just stop is not there.  It's not about willpower.  The body DEMANDS it's sugar and junk when it is off balance.  There is no stopping it at times.  I have been in that position thousands of times.  

My 1st husband decided he was not going to smoke anymore and that was it.  Others have to go wear patches and chew gum to try and make it through. My 2nd husband found himself in the gutter in Mexico after an all night drinking binge and decided right there he was going to stop drinking.  Others have to go through massive rehap and 12 step programs.  

There is no 'one way' out for anyone.  Each person has to reach a 'bottom' with their eating, even if they are not sugar or junk addicts per se' before they can truly make a long term life change.

Me, it took 35 years of back and forth and back and forth thinking I could control it with this diet or that diet or this pill or that one, or eat only pizza on fridays, or starving one day a week or whatever crazy thing it was.  FOR YEARS I played games with myself.

It's not about weight loss.  The weight loss will come on it's own when other things are lined up.  And if it doesn't than either the meals are too big or other factors or involved that one has to carefully look at.  Like maybe your body likes being that weight naturally.  It's about body and mind health.  If one keeps messing around with bad foods to a huge degree they will go back and forth messing up their brain chemistry and then it takes 2 or 3 days to get it back to a place of stability again.  It's a ruthless cycle.  And millions of people do this.  No only obese folks or addicts.  Regular people mess around and mess around and mess around.  

I think that Dr. D's suggestion that 4 or 5 times a week of non-compliance is a normal occurence for one who is working to stay compliant.   But beyond that, one is beginning to play a serious game of losing balance with food which in turn plays huge havoc on the ability to stay sane with food, brain chemistry, adrenal and hormonal issues.

Now I have a simple existence with food.  I have my bottom line abstinence rule and I have my good eating plan from the GTD.

This does not make me a saint or a big ego blasting mouth here... It means I had the fear of God rise up in me one night as I looked back over my life and realized how many years I had been messing around and not finding a place to stay sane.  My body hurt, I felt awful most days, and I felt mentally crazy around food and trying to control it all.  

I surrendered, admitted I obviously had issues, established my bottom line abstinence (with the help of Becky Jackson's book), got my GTD eating in gear and here I am working toward my 60 days of abstinence from 'dieting' and binging.

I have great compassion for myself and all who are suffering from the back and forth game of trying to get balance in their lifes with food.  It can be a lifetime roller coaster ride.  

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Funky, you are right on.  So many of us would rather distract or delude ourselves than to confront our "issues" and work through them.  That's where addictions come from.  Your distraction of choice could be eating, dieting, drugs, alcohol, sex, working, or even video games (that was my weapon of choice).  Done to excess, they are just ways to get your mind off the real problems in your life that need to be dealt with.

It's also easy to set "goals" for your happiness.  "I'll be happy when I lose 10 lbs.", "get a new job", "get a raise", "get a new car/house/outfit", "have a boyfriend/girlfriend", "get married/divorced", etc., etc., ad infinitum.  But should you ever reach the goal you've set, you find you still aren't happy.  Happiness and peace come from the inside.  They come from doing your best and putting the rest in God's hands, from loving and accepting yourself (even if there are some things about you that you don't like a lot!)

Ok, that was only vaguely on-topic, but you get my drift.
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Lola, I checked out the youtube link.  All things that I know and agree with.  But I'm sitting here on a Saturday morning, it's 10am and I'm already utterly exhausted.  (Bedtime was 10pm last night).

When you are struggling with fatigue it's just so hard to find the energy to go out and purchase good food, take the time to prepare it, then clean up afterwards.  But it's a vicious cycle  - I know when I eat badly it makes me more tired.  It makes me more frustrated knowing this, but this leads to more fatigue!

There must be others out there that have struggled with this and understand.  Drive certainly seems to be getting his life together - happy for him too!  

How do you start?  How do you get that block of good eating and decent sleep that will start you on the road to success?  Between husband, 2 children, pets, noisy neighbours and a very sick body I just can't seem to do it  


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Compliance should make you happy.


I find that to be an interesting comment....and really very true...

The flip side to being compliant for me, is feeling "slightly" out of control..

.It might begin with a few poor food choices..but then it quickly morphs into feeling like slight chaos. .I  might start to get "sloppy" with many things....It might trickle down to where I feel lazy and unfocused..I might not water my plants..not feel very focused an artist.....I might let food go bad in the refrigerator, I might do laundry and not think to  put it away...I might open the refrigerator and see
food and don't know what I want to eat....maybe everything, maybe nothing....maybe a food
that I'm never allowed to have.  It's a sense that I'm not on a path... which has very obvious  physical and mental consequences. I might have a lack of energy, more allergy symptoms,
poor sleep, irritability.  The signals are strong...I feel I'm punishing myself when I don't choose to eat right

SO....

Going back to ground zero....with a clean slate...waking up with some orderly thoughts,  with an orderly diet on my agenda...knowing what I'm supposed to eat for breakfast, knowing I've got those food choices in the house, knowing that the only food choices ARE the ones I'm supposed to eat is at
least a starting point for some kind of order for me.

And from that mindset of order comes other orderly things.  My messy closet gets cleaned
out.  I start reaching for green garbage bags to throw out things I don't wear...or at least to
take them to places where they're given to those who need clothes....And from that mindset
of knowing I'm on the right "food track", comes my watering can...my plants are fed...
the weeds start to annoy me in the yard...I DO something about things that I might
have otherwise have allowed to just BE....MY life has greater purpose when I eat well.

So, with a food plan...my life easily starts to fall into place...I used to look at people who focused so
much on food as some kind of obsessive-compulsive disorder...but in reality, when I don't eat right, I don't live right either....I don't have real goals and my life's purpose is to allow everything to simply
fall where it falls...and I know falling can lead to falling apart in many different places..

I know all it takes for me to get back on track....to find equilbrium is to wake up...eat the
right breakfast, remind myself to have the right lunch and by dinner, I'm back...Usually in the
middle of a "new"  day, I've then become annoyed with anything and everything that looks out of control and I  attempt to fix that too.  If start with the right foods I always end up with my life feeling orderly and in control!  So Andrea is right...Compliance DOES make me feel really happy!


"The happiest people don't have the best of everything.....they know how to make the best of everything!"

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you start one step at a time!

purchase only whole foods, and build easy meal plans for the whole family......freeze portions for emergencies, to thaw and prepare in minutes, or simply heat up.

before you know, there will be no more junk food in the house, and all choices available will be healthy choices.

read Suzanne s, Melissa s blogs, and other, for helpful ideas on how to cope with kids, hub and work, as well as cooking and all.


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Drive certainly seems to be getting his life together - happy for him too!  

The timing was just right for me when I started.  I was struggling with fatigue at the time I started, but it wasn't as bad as it had been at other times past.  Plus, no wife or kids.  I can't imagine how hard it would have been to break out of that cycle with a family, unless your spouse is very supportive.

I think enrolling your husband (and children, if they're old enough) to help you is your best bet.  You need him to invest his time and energy in getting you healthy right now, to take off some of your burden while you redirect some of that energy into getting well.  You might think of getting healthy like starting a new business.  You have to invest a lot of time and money up front to get the business going, and as the business grows, you don't need to work as hard to keep everything going.  Ideally, the business will eventually break even, then start making money and pay back all that up-front investment and then some!  Right now, you're basically working a full-time job, and don't have the time or energy to invest in this new start-up business.
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Quoted from Chloe
I find that to be an interesting comment....and really very true...

The flip side to being compliant for me, is feeling "slightly" out of control..

.It might begin with a few poor food choices..but then it quickly morphs into feeling like slight chaos. .I  might start to get "sloppy" with many things....It might trickle down to where I feel lazy and unfocused..I might not water my plants..not feel very focused an artist.....I might let food go bad in the refrigerator, I might do laundry and not think to  put it away...I might open the refrigerator and see
food and don't know what I want to eat....maybe everything, maybe nothing....maybe a food
that I'm never allowed to have.  It's a sense that I'm not on a path... which has very obvious  physical and mental consequences. I might have a lack of energy, more allergy symptoms,
poor sleep, irritability.  The signals are strong...I feel I'm punishing myself when I don't choose to eat right

SO....

Going back to ground zero....with a clean slate...waking up with some orderly thoughts,  with an orderly diet on my agenda...knowing what I'm supposed to eat for breakfast, knowing I've got those food choices in the house, knowing that the only food choices ARE the ones I'm supposed to eat is at
least a starting point for some kind of order for me.

And from that mindset of order comes other orderly things.  My messy closet gets cleaned
out.  I start reaching for green garbage bags to throw out things I don't wear...or at least to
take them to places where they're given to those who need clothes....And from that mindset
of knowing I'm on the right "food track", comes my watering can...my plants are fed...
the weeds start to annoy me in the yard...I DO something about things that I might
have otherwise have allowed to just BE....MY life has greater purpose when I eat well.

So, with a food plan...my life easily starts to fall into place...I used to look at people who focused so
much on food as some kind of obsessive-compulsive disorder...but in reality, when I don't eat right, I don't live right either....I don't have real goals and my life's purpose is to allow everything to simply
fall where it falls...and I know falling can lead to falling apart in many different places..

I know all it takes for me to get back on track....to find equilbrium is to wake up...eat the
right breakfast, remind myself to have the right lunch and by dinner, I'm back...Usually in the
middle of a "new"  day, I've then become annoyed with anything and everything that looks out of control and I  attempt to fix that too.  If start with the right foods I always end up with my life feeling orderly and in control!  So Andrea is right...Compliance DOES make me feel really happy!
Chloe, you could be describing me to a T here (whatever T means). Not to mention, having to prepare meals for other GT's! Compliance is definitely related to organization for me. Now, this could be a chicken and egg thing, but it is so hard to get organized with a fuzzy non-compliant head.



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Chloe, you could be describing me to a T here (whatever T means). Not to mention, having to prepare meals for other GT's! Compliance is definitely related to organization for me. Now, this could be a chicken and egg thing, but it is so hard to get organized with a fuzzy non-compliant head.



You might have expressed this better that I did (the first time..I had to edit that post!)..
It was pointed out to me that I sounded as if I were in dire straits....close to having a
breakdown of some kind..but in reality, you're right in saying "compliance is related to
organization".  I don't know why I couldn't just say it simply the first time....!



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Quoted from Chloe


You might have expressed this better that I did (the first time..I had to edit that post!)..
It was pointed out to me that I sounded as if I were in dire straits....close to having a
breakdown of some kind..but in reality, you're right in saying "compliance is related to
organization".  I don't know why I couldn't just say it simply the first time....!

And I was thinking... "what a beautifully expressed post by Chloe". Maybe because it hit home with me, but also because I wonder sometimes why I can't (or don't) express myself in such detail, even though I know what's going on inside.


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You might have expressed this better that I did (the first time..I had to edit that post!)..
It was pointed out to me that I sounded as if I were in dire straits....close to having a
breakdown of some kind..but in reality, you're right in saying "compliance is related to
organization".  I don't know why I couldn't just say it simply the first time....!



To clear up the confusion.... so no one takes anything incorrectly... I had written to CazB expressing my concern for her situation and accidently sent it to Chloe.  And I don't feel like I had indicated that anyone was going to have a breakdown in my email that accidently was sent to Chloe.  I feel that is a bit extreme and I would never say that to anyone.

I expressed that I felt I wished she could take a few days off to recoup and gain strength toward getting on track as many times when adrenals are shot, one has to just stop and rest but I knew that was not possible for her because of her family obligations.  It was an email with the utmost sympathy  as I have been in those shoes one too many times.

I tried to delete the email thinking that it had been deleted right after I saw I had sent it to Chloe by accident but obviously not!  

I sincerely apologize for the confusion that has lead to a simple PM being sent to someone out of compassion and concern being turned into an event!     
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Funky, let me just say that your compassion and concern are greatly appreciated!  I am sorry that the PM's got mixed up and Chloe received it too, but it really helped to receive your message and know that someone understood.  I was feeling a little desperate for those couple of days but today is a new day and I'm gonna sit down with my darling hubby this afternoon and ask for some help (good idea Master Drive  )

And now, to bring the thread right back to the beginning....Funky, it has been a week since this thread started, have you been avoiding the black dots?  Has there been any difference for you?


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Caz, I hope you find that your husband is willing to help.  Let us know how it goes!
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To clear up the confusion.... so no one takes anything incorrectly... I had written to CazB expressing my concern for her situation and accidently sent it to Chloe.  And I don't feel like I had indicated that anyone was going to have a breakdown in my email that accidently was sent to Chloe.  I feel that is a bit extreme and I would never say that to anyone.

I expressed that I felt I wished she could take a few days off to recoup and gain strength toward getting on track as many times when adrenals are shot, one has to just stop and rest but I knew that was not possible for her because of her family obligations.  It was an email with the utmost sympathy  as I have been in those shoes one too many times.

I tried to delete the email thinking that it had been deleted right after I saw I had sent it to Chloe by accident but obviously not!  

I sincerely apologize for the confusion that has lead to a simple PM being sent to someone out of compassion and concern being turned into an event!     


Funkymuse, just so I say this publicly and let everyone know I know this was a PM sent to me
by you in error...but from my perspective having re-read my original post a day later (after receiving your PM), I quickly edited because it did sound to me that I was using language that
sounded more extreme than it should have sounded...I was using words that did sound like
I was having a meltdown or something (and these are MY words, not yours)

...but in reality, if I had read what CazB was saying, I might have realized that this wasn't about me at all...And given you were speaking about a family causing undue stress, I remembered I had added a post to Peppermint Twist's
thread telling her I wish I could pick up and go to Mexico with her. SO you see,
I was absolutely sure you had read what I wrote there and decided that I was under
huge stress.(and maybe thought I felt like ditching my life and running away)..

When you sent your heartfelt concern for CazB to me (for what I believed was based
on what you read that I wrote on two different posts), I immediately felt you misunderstood
me. So, I wrote you to explain...  I really don't think you're the type of person to be telling anyone they're having a meltdown or breakdown....but I honestly did feel slightly paranoid thinking I had sent out an SOS message when all I was doing was explaining that I've felt "out of control" when my life isn't focused with  a good diet.

It's taught me something...to re-read all posts in a thread first before responding...and to re-read all my posts carefully before I share anything... and try to imagine that others are reading words without seeing my face or hearing my voice....

CazB, I just read your posts for the first time and you have my heartfelt compassion.

And Funkymuse, you have no need to apologize...It was just a mistake....and I had no
way of knowing that until after I edited and heard from you that you sent that PM to me
in error.

Let's move on....





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Let's move on....



Onward!!!!!  

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This is a bit silly but when do people weigh and feel like they have an accurate body weight, in the morning after the morning passages or ??
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personally I weigh myself when my feet first hit the floor in the morning. Before any other ablutions.
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personally I weigh myself when my feet first hit the floor in the morning. Before any other ablutions.


Do you find a pretty regular stability in that or does it fluxuate a lb or 2 every few days?
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