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funkymuse
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Here Sivani, take a look see about what compliance means:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=GC/m-1142920713



This is a GREAT Thread.  I wasn't posting or reading during this time (2006) because Hubby and I were down from surgeries.  But nice to go back and pick this info. up.

Here is a post from that thread (since I can't post on it anymore) with my concern following:

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A week and a half of compliance is not an adequate test...   It took me three weeks with no corn to reduce the concentration in the body enough to stop the constant headache.    

Initially, I too gained weight.  In studying the situation, I determined that the reason I gained weight initially when eating beneficial foods was that they were foods that the body could use for food, and since it stores food when it has had very little, it immediately stored any excess until food came in regularly enough for the body to realize that it didn't have to be in starvation mode.  After about two months, the weight started to melt away (about 30 lbs {15%} in 2 months)...  Now it has been cycling in about a 10 lb range that is comfortable for about a year.

You need to do exercise, even if you walk for an hour focussing on walking correctly this will have quite a large benefit.


Wow... is this really the case?  Have others experienced this?  I am stuck at a weight loss plateau and can't figure out why.  I've only been really good and compliant about 6 weeks and have lost approx. 7 lbs.  But it seems to be stuck there at least presently.  

I'd love to know that I should just keep on trucking and not worry about it.  It's my old dieting mentality trying to sneak in.

Also talking about compliance of the major avoids.. would sprouted wheat like in Eziekel bread be a major avoid on the GTD Hunter regime?  I know wheat is in itself but what about a grain sprouted bread that has many other sprouted grains besides the sprouted wheat?  

Sometimes I like to have a sandwich and I use the Eziekel Sprouted Grain bread.  I don't want to keep using it if the sprouted wheat ingredient is now a huge avoid.

Also (that BTD compliance thread really got me to thinking); what would be the major avoids for Hunters?  Probably not the same as BTD O's since some of the foods have moved into Black Dot territory such as corn which was a major avoid on the BTD.

Wheat for sure
Dairy

What else?

I'm asking because on the level of compliance info. on that other thread, it's info. was geared toward the BTD and I'd like to fall into Catagory 3 of compliance adhearence only consuming Avoids (which don't include the major ones); less than 4-5 times a week.

Thanks and sorry for all the questions!  
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My impression of GTD is that the black-dots are the items you can consume a few times a week for the Cat 3 compliance. Which would make the other toxins more in the major avoid category. That would mean that GT2 still has corn as a major avoid and logically explains why the O diet treats corn as a major avoid.

I would think that for O's, comparison between GT1 and GT2 may be informative that way for other items as well, though it will not explain other things. A's compare between GT3 and GT5 the same way, perhaps.

There may be other ideas to add after some reflection, your post is thought provoking.
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Man if the black dots are the items to consume less than 4-5 times a week for Catagory 3 compliance, I would suppose I fall more into Catagory 2.  In the last 2 weeks, we have eaten the following black dots:

An avocado, necterine, apple, cashews, had coconut milk in a recipe, had two pieces of eziekel bread that had the sprouted wheat grain, I had some grapes one night at dinner, had some decaf coffee while traveling and had some mayo with apple cider vinegar on a sandwich.  (for clarity, these are all Hunter Black dots).

It's definitely thought provoking because those compliance factors were aimed back then at the BTD.  So it would be interesting to have Dr. D chime in on GTD compliance catagories!  
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Funkymuse, are you working out at least 5 times a week..cardio, resistance?
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Funkymuse, are you working out at least 5 times a week..cardio, resistance?


I do an elliptical for 45 min to an hour every other day.  Then floor work (sit ups, stretching, etc.); and a 45 minute sauna on the other days.  

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It all depends on your health and weight loss goals. It is ok to be more complaint then ease up as needed.


I know for me that  the more I do the better I feel the better I feel the happier I am.


Compliance should make you happy.


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Well I thought for sure we'd get more of a discussion going on compliancy but maybe not!   ha..

I guess I'll just move forward continuting to follow the instructions for the Hunter foods in the beginning of the chapter on the Hunter Diet as far as a good definition of complianancy for the GTD specifically vs. the BTD.

  It does seem however, from the instructions paragraph, that black dots are worse than neutrals overall.  
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Sounds like you have a good plan.


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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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I do an elliptical for 45 min to an hour every other day.  Then floor work (sit ups, stretching, etc.); and a 45 minute sauna on the other days.  


Girl, you must not be that overweight..what? 5 pounds?  
Now the other thing is going by your body shape. Ever see Escape your Shape on tv? The shapes are spoon shape (like me, big bottom) or a cone shape (heavy on the top, skinny legs) or a ruler (straight up and down the same). And of course there is the perfect hour glass shape with the tiny waist..(not me). I, as a spoon can't do heavy resistance like elliptical or stairmaster or heavy resistance on a exercise bike because I'll just bulk up heavier on the bottom and I won't lose weight.  I should use resistance (weights) for my upper body only to balance it. Kind of co-insides with Dr. D's exercise program for A's..amazing. How does he do that?! He's Brilliant. I must gush again.. it's been awhile... Anyway, get my point?
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Before reading more into the blood type diet and genotype diet I used to use coconut oil and apple cider vinegar and the cabbage soup diet and I always had comments about how skinny I was, I am an hourglass and have filled out more since I stopped all those remedies but I can't get used to my extra weight so I really want to try the apple cider vinegar again.
I just found out Im a non-secretor so ACV is a no no - but Im only thinking of taking a few tablespoons a day - how do I know how bad this is as a non-secretor? does anyone know?
Coconut oil is a nuetral so Ill try that again too.
With the cabbage soup diet I was just going to change the cabbage past to bok chouy.
I am being told I look really good though so thats nice but at 1.62m tall & being 54 kgs instead of 50 or less is really depressing me - maybe it's just me not being comfortable with myself or accepting myself?


Eat your heart out


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Funky Muse, I just saw this thread!

My personal experience: I dont consciously reach out for black dots. Stuff like Spelt, Oats etc., make me wheez. Stuff like lentils give me gas. Stuff like egg plant, yard long beans, spinach, carrots etc., which used to be my favourites, just dont have any flavour anymore! However, I reserve these vegetables & lentils for visits. Coffee makes me sleepy. Certain black dot nuts dont give obvious reactions but certain others make me burp and gives me indigestion. Same for black dot fruits. As for oils & ghee, I have a personal rule of making these good fats 20% of my meal. It's something that I picked up in the ER/LR book. Infact, without getting too hung upon numbers, I personally follow this: 40% protein, 30% Carbs from fruits & veggies, 10% Carbs from grains and 20% fats. I've played around with it and have found this ratio to sit well with me.

As for exercise, it's funny really. Up until about 2 months ago exercise was part and parcel of my life. Something natural, like breathing. Then I developed some imbalances and in order to take care of it I had to stay away from physical straining...but I continued eating my diamonds and super foods. Black dots would creep in from time to time when eating out.

What I noticed last weekend was that I had lost almost 2kg, and my clothes continue to hang on me. There is more definition in my physique, and that helps when you're slightly taller than 5 feet with a short torso

Over at our Fresh Start Week thread, Lakeslady, another Hunter, has been off exercises for similar reasons, but she's been eating fairly well, and she remarked that she had lost weight without even trying.

I'm not even trying to lose weight. It isnt my goal. I look at the food lists and I know what my limits are and what my options are. If I find a recipe which calls for a black dot, I would sub it with a diamond or a super bennie. At the most a neutral. Black dots appear benign...but for me personally they turn around and bite me!


BTD compliance means: Definition of "Compliance"

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I stick with diamond food choices...that works best for me. The reward is worth the sacrifice. I'm in really good shape. I credit my unwaivering dedication to "the Plan" and Dr. D. for directing me in the way I need to go to achieve such success.
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So Rex, can I clarify something?  You only eat diamond foods?  Or do you also include the superfoods listed for your GT?  Just wondering how hard it would be to only have the diamond foods in your diet.  


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Caz.. where you are in life is always a factor, menopause, illness, pregnancy, are all reasons to eat differently.

You are 38.. Rex is 69. (so glad you both put your b-days so we can help more effectively)

Increased compliance as you get older is not that hard, you feel the difference, when you don't eat right.




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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Cas B: Yes, I eat only diamond foods...it's not that hard for me since I've been this rigid all my life with other eating plans.

Andrea:  In my case, it's not because I'm 69 years old tht I have an easy time being so ridigly compliant...I've always been that way.

Recently my husband has allowed me to control his diet after seeing my success and he too has had great results...he's lost eight pounds that have stayed off...he is being very rigid too.  This is additional proof for me that if you follow the plan...it works.
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Not to take away from your plan Rex at all but:

In my experience it seems one would loose some nutrition if one stayed on diamonds only.

I think the major suggestion in the book for every genotype is that we eat from all the superfood and diamond choices.

And I understand we will all do whats best for us but eating only diamonds and being so restricted is not for me and I personally would never suggest it to any newbie or anyone actually, especially if they were battling an eating addiction.  Being so strict would only feed the deeper core issues of "control," that usually go hand in hand with these diseases.




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My point was merely that people have different needs and goals.


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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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I am being told I look really good though so thats nice but at 1.62m tall & being 54 kgs instead of 50 or less is really depressing me - maybe it's just me not being comfortable with myself or accepting myself?

Huntress, you were starving yourself, and now you've filled out UP to your healthy weight.  I think you should just accept where you're at, and not let our society's super-skinny notion of beauty get under your skin.

From the numbers you gave, your BMI is 20.6, which is on the bottom half of the "normal" range.  http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmi-m.htm

I also wonder if you are a mesomorph?  A lot of Os are.
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I also strictly follow the guidelines for excercise in addition to adhering to the diamond food choices...this is another factor responsible for the reason that I have been able to achieve such great success. I have always been this strict with excercising since I was 15 years old & decided that I just did not want to be overweight anymore...175 pounds then, 126 pounds now. I also have 4 grown children...4 pregnancies in 5 1/2 years.  Success can be accomplished against great odds if you are willing to dedicate yourself to attaining it.
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Huntress, you were starving yourself, and now you've filled out UP to your healthy weight.  I think you should just accept where you're at, and not let our society's super-skinny notion of beauty get under your skin.





You deserve an award for this comment! And from a man at that!  A double award!!! Congrats my friend... you have seen through the bull... Alright!  Amen!  
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I am being told I look really good though so thats nice but at 1.62m tall & being 54 kgs instead of 50 or less is really depressing me - maybe it's just me not being comfortable with myself or accepting myself?


So, you're 5'3 and 119 pounds? Uh, sounds normal to underweight. Unless you have really, really tiny bones girl. You don't need a diet. I agree with your last sentence.  My mom was 5'1" and weighed 118 when she was young. She look very thin her pictures. If you eat healthy, and exercise, you should let your body weigh what it wants. If you force it to be thinner, you could cause all kinds of trouble.
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If you eat healthy, and exercise, you should let your body weigh what it wants. If you force it to be thinner, you could cause all kinds of trouble.


When I was younger you could have told me this and I would have fought you to the death as I wanted to be skinny skinny skinny like all the vogue models and every other altered magazine cover.  I starved and controlled every portion of fat and protein.  I did every diet and diet drug to stay thin.  To look gaunt.  To have a skinny backend.  My chest was bone thin with ribs sticking out of my back and I thought I was the bomb.    

Now I have massive white lines in my poor little fingers, and a sensitive stomach and it's taken me years to heal from that abuse.  And it IS abuse.  Poor body.  Poor girl. What I put myself through unknowingly.  

I love that sentence "let your body weigh what it wants."  This will be the first time in my life that that is my goal.  

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If you force it to be thinner, you could cause all kinds of trouble.


This is so extremely true.  You cause all kinds of issues with your blood sugar levels, your estrogen, everything!  Every body function suffers from the ups and downs and dieting and fear of not being thin enough.  And it builds up over the years into chronic conditions when we are older.

Be different than I was and think about the advice of those who have been though all that and can offer some kind words of experience.


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Drive55...considering your youth, you're quite a special guy with a feeling for what really matters. I think that we all wish that we knew more people like you. Actually, when I think about it, another guy that thinks as you do is Rodney, his kindness & sensitivity speaks loudly through his posts.

Funky...you have a point about including the superfoods...I will start incorporating them to balance out my nutritional requirements but will still tend to lean heavily on the diamonds...as it is said, diamonds are a girl's best friend...it seems to work that way for me too.
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Rex, I would eat all the beneficials if you don't want to eat any neutrals. Wow. No wonder you're not in our Fresh Start thread!  
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You deserve an award for this comment! And from a man at that!  A double award!!! Congrats my friend... you have seen through the bull... Alright!  Amen!  


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Drive55...considering your youth, you're quite a special guy with a feeling for what really matters. I think that we all wish that we knew more people like you.


Thank you both!  I haven't been one to like something just because it's "popular" or "fashionable"; skinny, boney girls included.  There are very few women who look healthy when they are slender enough for the catwalk, and the ones who do would still look better with a little more meat on their bones.

Most women are curvy when they are healthy, and everybody looks better when they are healthier!
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