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cts
Sunday, August 31, 2008, 6:04am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hey guys! I am so upet because I can't figure out my genotype. My ring finger is definately longer than my index finger on my left hand but for my right hand, sometimes when I measure it the index is longer and sometimes when I measure it the ring is long. Same proble with my upper and lower leg. Different times different measurements. I am devasted because I am really into the genotypes and feel desperate to find out what it is.

It is hard to figure out by the other clues because I am blood type AB and I have white lines in my finger prints but am an ectomorph. My jaw is 118 degrees, between square and oval. I am just so overwhelmed, what can I do? Is there any test I can take in a lab to find out?

Thanks!
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try the free trial on the GTD site....it s in the back of your book.....
go to the online calculator and submit your measurements.....and all the data you are being asked, see what you get.
is someone helping you with the measurements?


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Thanks for your reply! I have seen the videos, read the forums, and tried everything! My ring finger is definately longer than my index finger on my left hand but on my right hand, I can't tell. The problem is it is impossible for me to make sure the finger is exactly straight when I measure it so that is why I am getting different results each time.

They are so so so close that in some measurements in is longer and in others, the other is longer. It is a difference of about 1/16th and I am obsessing over this because I am so devoted to genotype. I am either a warrior or teacher, should i just follow a diet that avoids toxins for both?
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No, you need to go with one or the other.  I was very close too.  In fact, I leaned slightly toward Teacher, but my strength test was 0.  When I tried the Teacher diet, after being on the Warrior diet for 6 months, I surprisingly couldn't tell much of a difference in how I felt.  I feel like I gained a few inches around my waist, although the scales didn't indicate it.  So I went back to the Warrior diet, assuming I'm a Warrior, and I'm happy here.


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Thanks for your reply! I have seen the videos, read the forums, and tried everything! My ring finger is definately longer than my index finger on my left hand but on my right hand, I can't tell. The problem is it is impossible for me to make sure the finger is exactly straight when I measure it so that is why I am getting different results each time.

They are so so so close that in some measurements in is longer and in others, the other is longer. It is a difference of about 1/16th?



I take this comment by Dr. D to say that on the hand you are concerned about the index finger is longer. He says the index is longer if it is is within 2 millimeters. 2mm is about a 13th of an inch (more than the 16th of the inch that you are worrying about).  




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dear c_sharp,
thank you so much for looking into that for me! So since sometimes they are tied and sometimes ring is longer and sometimes index is longer, depending if finger is slightly curved or slight, since it is such a very close call, i should assume index? he says that ring should be long enough that is 2 or 3 mm longer or so that  you can really tell with no question, right?
thanks!!
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That is how I would interrupt:
Quoted from Dr. D
Also, in evaluating the results from the clinic studies it was easy to see why ties (or even close neck and neck issues) should go to the index finger. True androgenic types have way longer ring fingers; a distinction often obvious enough to preclude a  any need for measurement whatsoever.


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Dr. D said a number of things in that post. The takeaway for me was that for those who are uncertain whether the ring was longer, that there were good reasons to treat the index as longer, assuming the difference was fairly small. He also noted that some individuals can and do measure to closer tolerances and that he was trusting to human nature, i.e. that some people will be able to determine correctly that the ring is longer even if the measure is somewhat close (2mm is a somewhat arbitrary line based in part on arthritis deflections in the index finger present in many middle aged people) and that there may be supporting evidence in strength testing and other identifying material.

My preferred approach is that if there is reason for confusion based an the closeness of a measurment, is to use strength testing and other factors to break the tie if the person thinks that the ring may be longer but is not sure. If the diet does not perform as it should after a few weeks or so, then the other choice should be tried. Dr. D's comments lead me to believe that this is an entirely acceptable approach.

Of course, being unable to determine if the ring might be longer and not of the opinion that it is longer, it seems clear to go with the index finger.    Similar logic applies to other measurement qundries.

Given that the placement into GT's is based on 'fuzzy logic' and the nature of people and the diet, it is a given that there will be a (small) percentage of people who will be difficult to classify into their optimal GT based solely on the procedures in the book. The lesson is that for a few, it will be important to recognize that they may need to change GT's at some point. It's not a big thing. All the GT's get a healthy diet of some form and a few weeks on the wrong diet is not something to worry about. Getting on the right one, regardless of the path, is more important.
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I guess you could eat foods common to both types or avoid the worst of both types.
I'm glad it's not just the Hunter & Gatherers that have this struggle.
I am a gatherer by a hair, but am waiting for SWAMI to see the nuances of my diet.
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Quoted from Lloyd
My preferred approach is that if there is reason for confusion based an the closeness of a measurment, is to use strength testing and other factors to break the tie


I would certainly agree with Lloyd.

cts I would think this would be particularly true in your case since there was confusion on both the leg and finger measurements.

Since you have already narrowed the selection to teacher and warrior you only need consider the strength testing factors listed on page 100 and 102 of the book.


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Dear C_Sharp,
There is also a small chance I am a nomad. However, I think I am a teacher. Btw, I saw the videos on how to measure the lower and upper leg, but just to clarify, it is the "middle" of the upper leg we should measure, not the inner or outer upper leg, right? B/c the upper outer leg is much longer and the upper inner leg is much shorter than the upper middle leg.
Thanks so so much again! It is so nice of you to help!
Kim
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Quoted from 3811
but just to clarify, it is the "middle" of the upper leg we should measure, not the inner or outer upper leg, right? Kim


Correct. You are measuring the leg bone. Finding the best way to clearly express things is not always easy!
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I don't see how there can be confusion on which genotype you are, when the advanced chart is completely specific.  The only confusion I can imagine, is if you use the basic or intermediate chart because you don't know your secretor type...

cts,

You might try keeping your fingers straight, and then bending them at a ninety-degree angle at the punching knuckles.  Then just measure from the top of the knuckle down to the fingertip.  That's what I did, after first doing it the formal way that the GTD book describes.

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Well, Ron, the confusion came for me when measuring my legs and fingers.  They're so close that I could be either a Warrior or a Teacher depending on how I hold my hands or how I place my feet.  They're so, so close that depending on where you put the tape measure on the side of my knee bone or the side of my ankle bone, it would totally throw me into a different category.


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Quoted from Ribbit
Well, Ron, the confusion came for me when measuring my legs and fingers.  They're so close that I could be either a Warrior or a Teacher depending on how I hold my hands or how I place my feet.  They're so, so close that depending on where you put the tape measure on the side of my knee bone or the side of my ankle bone, it would totally throw me into a different category.


I had the same problem. That's why I needed Dr. D to be the tie breaker...
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dear mayflowers,
thanks for your reply! which way did dr. d decide and did he say you could make those fingers a tie?
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Quoted from Mrs T O+
I guess you could eat foods common to both types or avoid the worst of both types.
I'm glad it's not just the Hunter & Gatherers that have this struggle.


Hi there!
I did exactly that, but I didn't feel well on it after doing it for 2 months or so. Ended up measuring my fingers (the deciding factor for me) all different ways I (and everybody around me) could think of to arrive at the method that turned out the most consistent. Went with that.
Would try the same with leg measurement. Remember, that you are testing for the influence of a growth factor, so think of where you place the tape in order to measure the length of that BONE. A physiotherapist or even your gym instructor might be able to help or even the biology teacher (if they have a skeleton in the classroom).

Best of luck!

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I don't see how there can be confusion on which genotype you are, when the advanced chart is completely specific.  The only confusion I can imagine, is if you use the basic or intermediate chart because you don't know your secretor type...

cts,

You might try keeping your fingers straight, and then bending them at a ninety-degree angle at the punching knuckles.  Then just measure from the top of the knuckle down to the fingertip.  That's what I did, after first doing it the formal way that the GTD book describes.


I used to say the same thing until I found I did my measurements wrong to begin with and when I did it correctly, my upper and lower leg are so close, that without know EXACTLY where the spot is you're supposed to measure, it makes it a bit dicey.  I don't like not knowing for SURE, so I opted for the AB diet.  Maybe I'm just a total doofus and should be able to figure it out, but you know what, I haven't so far and I don't want to do a GTD macarana.  Or however you spell it.  Maybe some day I'll just do the swami and then I'll be closer to knowing what I should and shouldn't eat anyways.  Because on every diet, there are things that are going to SAY it's OK or good for you and it's not.  Because everyone is different.  I had more than a couple of experiences like that on any of these diets.  For example, Millet is supposed to be highly beneficial for AB's.  But you know what, it sits like a rock in my stomach and drags me down.  Now, it might not be the foods fault, and it actually may be beneficial for me someday.  But not right now.  When your burping it back up 2-1/2 hours later, and you don't get that with other foods, I'd say it's not really going down that good.  One night I ate it before bed and I felt terrible and couldn't sleep properly all night.

My point is everyone is different.  I'm all for trying to get as close as possible, but what I know for sure is I'm an AB Secretor.  And that's what I'm following.  And then from there, I see what feels right.

That's not to say I don't want to follow GTD, I do.

I've said too much.  Sorry.


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i am really worried about this. i was so sure that on my left hand my ring finger was longer. this is the case if i do the measuerment and i hold my hand in the air, but when i put my palm on the table, they are the same measurements! what is more accurate, measuring your palm when you hold it up in the air (like the video shows) or placing your palm face down on a table and then measuring it? Perhaps I am a nomad because I do have alot of white lines in my fingerprints and have inflammation issues but I am an ectomorph like a teacher. It is so hard to figure out.

Perhaps I should just meet dr. dadamo. i would have to save up a lot. has anyone met him in person? i would love meet him in person-it would be very helpful!
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i think i will have my chiropractor muscle tests (kinisiology) some foods to see which ones my body is the strongest to give me insight. anyone tried that? hopefully that will help me figure out my genotype.
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Perhaps I should just meet dr. dadamo. i would have to save up a lot. has anyone met him in person? i would love meet him in person-it would be very helpful!


Perhaps you should come to the Crossville miniconfernece


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i think i will have my chiropractor muscle tests (kinisiology) some foods to see which ones my body is the strongest to give me insight. anyone tried that?


A number of us have. With me they match BTD and not GTD.

The BTD gives me more immediate benefit than GTD. I am concerned that the kinesiology measures the immediate benefit and may miss the log term changes created by GTD.

But for me BTD works better so it may be determining the same thing as the online quiz for BTD vs GTD.

One word of caution on kinesiology: Pay attention to who you use as a practioner. Some people that do it get inconsistent results.


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thanks c_sharp! wonder if i could get a meeting with him during the conference though. does dr. d ever travel to other states for business and then ppl can meet him in those states? i live in atlanta and my old chiropractor told me he once came to his office. . .
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I used to say the same thing until I found I did my measurements wrong to begin with and when I did it correctly, my upper and lower leg are so close, that without know EXACTLY where the spot is you're supposed to measure, it makes it a bit dicey.  ...  Maybe some day I'll just do the swami and then I'll be closer to knowing what I should and shouldn't eat anyways. ...


Unfortuantely, it appears to me that to use the new version of SWAMI you will need to know the same measurements (length of leg bones, finger lengths, ...) that are difficult for us to figure out when determining GenoType.



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