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How can I know for sure what I am?

I am second guessing myself because I haven't been feeling too well this week.  But something is bothering me.  I had liver last Sunday and I'm wondering if this has something to do with it.  And it seems like when I eat lamb, it doesn't agree with me.  

Do you HAVE to go to Dr. D. to confirm the measurement is done properly?

There is only one measurement that I'm worried about.  My torso is clearly longer than my legs.  That I'm not confused about.  

And my ring fingers are almost most definitely longer than my index on both sides.  That's like 99.9999%.

The one I'm struggling with is the leg measurements.  I'm pretty darn sure I have the lower part correct.  The video shows it pretty well.  And I think I have the upper part correct too.  BUT, it all hinges on where exactly that spot is on top of your knee cap.  Do you start just right after the upper edge of your knee cap?  It says when you fall into the creese.  Well, there is definitely a little creese at the top of the kneecap but there is also a creese between the bones on either side.  So, I don't know how far up to start.  If I'm doing this wrong, and I'm measuring too far out, it could change things.  If I'm supposed to go inbetween that creese between my bones that flank my knee cap, it makes my upper leg the same as my lower.  Which means the tie goes to the upper.  That would make me a teacher.  I'm thinking this may be a possibility.  


How do I get confirmation??????

The other thing is they show using a flexible tape on the lower and upper leg.  When I use one, it makes a difference if I use a non flexible one.


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This might help:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1199468973/s-0/

If you weren't a Nomad, what would you be? How does that compare to the strength test method?

You can always try the other diet for awhile if you feel it would make a difference.
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It helps.  Helps with my confusion.

Afer all this time, I think I might actually be a teacher.


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AB, I went to the member pics thread to take a look at you and read some of your posts by going to your name and clicking on "posts by this member".

I couldn't find the pictures of you, and the posts were pretty vague. Can you post some more pics?

I'm thinking teacher too.  
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I see this questioning you are doing as confirmation that you have learned more information about your diet and are ready to make a significant change.

After much switching of diets and looking back over the last 2 years, the time that I felt best was when I took the original diet and highlighted all the things I loved on that diet. I started eating more of those things and I stopped eating the things that I didn't especially care for that were on the avoid list. I didn't eat those particular avoids for anyone.

I felt even better when I added things to my diet that had been off the list but that I missed and loved. That happened on the teacher diet but I still need to tweak it for me.

ABNoWay, I have "watched" you on this forum and know that you are intelligent and resourceful and have experimented with your food for quite a while. You already know foods that make you feel better and foods that don't.

Whether you are a Teacher or Nomad , you are above all , an individual and those diets are outlines or guides for you (excellent outlines and guides, of course ).

I would recommend you :

Make a list of the foods that you already know work for you.

Highlight the teacher foods that you love and start adding them.

"Keep what works"  (Guess who?)

Reassess the list at regular intervals.

Hopefully in a short time you end up with an "ABNoWay diet".

Even if this forum disappeared tomorrow , I have every confidence that you have all the information you need and it won't be long until you pull it all together. Trust your judgment.

Hope this isn't too much like a lecture! I'm rooting for you!

Now, I think I will go and follow my own advice!!


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Gillian good advice.  I think that's what had me revisit this whole thing.  Because I am listening to my body.  And you're right.  But it's still be nice to know what category I fit in.  

My wife is pretty convinced I'm a teacher after we did my measurements today.

I think I was measuring my upper leg wrong.  Before I got 16", now I get 14-1/2".  And my lower is 15"  Even if it was 15" and 15", tie goes to the lower.  I think I was measuring too far on the outside on the upper leg, instead of over the middle.

So, my torso is longer, my lower leg is longer(now), my ring fingers are longer, I'm an AB+ secretor.  That puts me in the Teacher GTD.  The change in upper / lower leg makes the difference.  

There have been things that I almost feel like have been moving me this way.  Some of the fruits I've been avoiding and sweeteners due to candida and when I try to add these red meats.  I have not felt good this whole week and the only thing I can think of is partly the liver I ate last Sunday.  

I also revisited the strength test and I get a 19.  I have more than 5 whorls, you can see my sinews, I don't know about prop taster and I'm not sure about the molar cusp, I have a square jaw and narrow head, I am lanky and muscular, there is an opening in between my legs, but I don't think there's much cancer in the family.  I only score 16 on the nomad.  Unless I'm a prop taster.  If I am it makes me 21 on the teacher and 19 on the nomad.  So either way I'd be ahead.

I kind of feel like an idiot because I've been really strict with my diet so I can get better and it seems like I screwed up and was doing the wrong diet.  The good thing is alot of the foods I was eating are good on the teacher diet too.  There are just a few things I'd need to tweak.  But I must be the silliest D'Adamo dieter of all time.  First I thought I was an A but I was really an AB, now I thought I was a Nomad but I'm pretty sure I'm a teacher.  Somebody slap me or something.  





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Looks like you've found the things you needed to find. Doesn't matter how long it takes or how you get there, getting there is the key.  
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yeah. those are the pics that I remember. the one with you on the couch.  Sinewy.  

and Gillian wrote it like a true teacher. Good advice. Teachers always point, point, point, point you to the right path.  

When the student is ready...

oh, and no slapping yourself. How could you have known? How could any of us have known?  This is ground breaking information.  
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ABNoWay, is it possible you could be a Warrior? My dad was AB+ and he was a Warrior.  There's no lamb on the Warrior diet   Only Turkey, veal and fish.  Are you tall? You're head doesn't look big..though..hmm.

If you look at al the diets, which one has most of your favorite foods on it? Which one is most like the way you like to eat?

BTW, we can have Ice Bear Ron slap you..
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It would be possible to be a warrior if I'm wrong on my fingers.(actually according to the book no, but according to the website, yes.  So I'm kind of confused about that too.)  But I don't think I am wrong on the fingers. It seems pretty evident that my ring fingers are longer on both hands.  Plus, I don't really fit the description I don't think.  Whereas my body is almost quintessential Teacher.  Lanky, not too tall, sinewy, square jaw.  Weird thing is there were traits that seem to really fit about a Nomad.  I'm very assymetrical.  I have a missing major pectoral on my left side.  Maybe I'm a combination.  Which probably isn't all that untrue.  We are all different.  

There's no lamb on the teacher diet either.  I've never had goat or mutton.  The fruits I've been eating are actually alot like the teachers due to candida.  The only thing I was eating fruit wise that is an avoid on the teacher was Granny Smith Apples.  I was eating cranberries, grapefruit, and a lot of blueberries.  I did throw strawberries and blackberries in there too, but I probably wouldn't miss them much.

Anyways, I could go on and on about things that make sense.  But I would really rather be able to have someone solidify my findings.  My wife is pretty convinced after helping me with the measurements today.  I'm kind of in a no man's land right now, because I'm pretty sure I'm going to the teacher diet, but I'm not going to add in all these things that I wasn't eating already.  Until I get some confirmation from another source.  Then I can start adding the things teachers can have that Nomads can't.  Plus I'll try and stay away from things I should on either.  


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Nice to see you again, brother!
Don't feel bad. We just got this diet info about the first of the year & have learned soooo much. Maybe you should concentreate on foods common to both diets & add teacher foods slowly. There are several of us who are almost borderline & have switched diets. More often it is Hunter-Gatherer problems & there are some Teacher-Warrior issues also.
The points aren't the ultimate test, unless all measuremments are equal! I have shared before that I had  most points on nomad, but that is impossible because I am an O!
I am a taster or more, but gatherers are non-tasters. There are differences. Keep up the good work!
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I kind of feel like an idiot because I've been really strict with my diet so I can get better and it seems like I screwed up and was doing the wrong diet.  The good thing is alot of the foods I was eating are good on the teacher diet too.  There are just a few things I'd need to tweak.  But I must be the silliest D'Adamo dieter of all time.  First I thought I was an A but I was really an AB, now I thought I was a Nomad but I'm pretty sure I'm a teacher.  Somebody slap me or something.  

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Exactly what I did. That's why I gave the advice. I wish someone had said that to me a few months ago.

So you want a silly contest? I probably win because I did the Explorer diet and gave up all my staples (oatbran, blueberries, fish, soy milk, flaxseed, avocados,) and started eating lots of chicken. The more compliant I got , the worse I felt. The Explorer is almost the opposite of the Teacher diet. It took me months to clue in. What was I thinking??

I did read somewhere that teachers often have close measurements but I can't think where that was. (update: I found it in the Genotype Book page 142- "with torsos and legs of about equal length"). All my measurements were very close.
Also, one of the real clues I had was the 6 whorls on my fingerprints.

I found that once I started eating brie cheese and particularly cambozola I stopped having yeast-like symptoms, almost right away.

Wouldn't it make your life easier if both you and your wife turned out to be Teachers?? Ironically, if you incorrectly thought you were an A, you probably would have turned out to be a Teacher........2 wrongs can make a right!

ABNoWay, you are on a roll, now!


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So I guess I'm not the only dull knife in the drawer, eh?

Gillian, your post made me laugh.  2 wrongs do make a right.  hehehehhehe.  Yeah, it would be pretty cool if both my wife and I and would streamline things.  I have like 9 whorls.  Yep, only 1 arch.

Mr's T, I gotta take a picture.  I'll wear it this week again.  I have been wearing it to work on a regular basis though!!!  And yeah, I'll probably do what you said.  Stick to the cross referenced good foods, avoid the avoids on both and start adding in the other teacher foods that I couldn't have before slowly.


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It would be possible to be a warrior if I'm wrong on my fingers.(actually according to the book no, but according to the website, yes.  So I'm kind of confused about that too.)  But I don't think I am wrong on the fingers. It seems pretty evident that my ring fingers are longer on both hands.


My ring fingers are longer on both hands too,   The Teachers are supposed to have ring finger longer on one hand but reversed on the other hand.  Mine are the same. But "physically" comparing you to Dr. D who is a Warrior too, who, I've met, over 6' (somewhere over there, I was looking up at him lol) (did you meet him?) I would say Teacher. The diets are very similar but the Teacher diet has more cheese..(sigh).  
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It may be so if you're an A.  If you're an AB it's different.  The genotype calculater says Teacher if both my ring fingers are longer.  Which I'm almost 99.99 sure they are.  It says warrior if their switched for me.  It must be opposite with A's.  Plus, your torso and leg measurements may be different than mine.


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Well, I agree, I think you're a Teacher also..you look like an actual teacher.   I sense teacherness in the force...
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Well, it seems right, it seems to fit, but I'll be darned if I'm not skeptical now.


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Remember that you can also take into account your particular health issues.  If they would be better treated with one diet over another and you are otherwise confused, you should follow the diet that best fits your health history.  They consider this at Dr. D's clinic.


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Here's my two cents worth AB brother (& sounding more and more like a geno brother as well):

I'd not only encourage you to switch to the Teacher diet, but I would also encourage you to NOT play it cautious by eating only items that are fine for both geno groups.

If you play it in the middle of the road and stick to only things that are fine for both the Teacher and Nomad you won't necessarily get enough of either one to be able to make a decision. I am afraid that if you don't fully commit to the Teacher diet you're not really giving it a fair shake to give you the good results you are looking for to confirm your genotype. Even if you should happen to get negative results they would be better than negligible iffy type results that will still leave you wondering. Those differences in the six geno diets are there for reasons...what they do and do not do.
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Another suggestion I have for you: since weight loss is not something you desire, stick mostly to the Superfoods instead of the Superfoods with Diamonds. I would think that should play down the weight loss effect since they are specifically sited as being good for weight loss and muscle building (which would help burn even more fat).
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What Chanur said.   Nice posts.
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Chanur.  I hear you.  My doctors office confirmed that they will help me with the measurements to make sure.  Well, as sure as we can be I guess.  Another set of eyes is always good.  The only thing I kind of disagree with is if you start eating foods that are completely new to you, too many too fast, it could be trouble.  But there are definitely things I know I can add and not be too concerned.  If I confirm as a Teacher, believe me, I'll be all for it.  That's the way I am.  For now, I'm committed to it, but I'm still going to add slowly the things that are avoids on the Nomad diet.  And probably if they are avoids on the AB I'll take it slow too.  But slow and steady is sometimes better than fast and furious.  I like to feel out how things are going down.


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ABNW: You have such intersting(cool!) fingerprints. Mine are pretty boring. I have 7 ulnar loops & 3 others(I can barely tell-they look like whorls & one looks off-center).
At the state fair, I think they fingerprint kids for ID. I hope they can fingerprint me. I bet those troopers know about genetic connections, but don't broadcast it.
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ABNoWay: I think all of us here felt that way to some degree or other when we saw how much some of our diets were going to change when comparing whatever bloodtype diet foods we were used to vs. our new geno lists...especially those of us who had been on the bloodtype diet for several years.

Suddenly staring what had been major avoids in the face as not only a changed rating, but to that of a superfood or super diamond or beneficials that did a 180 and became outright avoids can take a little getting used to. I must admit, I'm still very wary of chicken, even as a black dot, after avoiding it like the plague for 5 years.

That said, I still think jumping in with both feet and full speed ahead is the way to go. I realize that each of us must go at his or her own rate though...and too much stressing about should I eat X or should I not eat X can be detrimental, too.

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Mrs.T, I was wrong.  I was getting whorls and loops mixed up.  I basically have all loops.  One of them could maybe be considered an arch.  But I think it's pretty much a loop.  I was getting whorls and loops mixed up because it had been a while since I read that part.  Then I had to look at it again.  I still strength test 1 higher as a teacher I think compared to Nomad.  But there are questions I don't know.  

Chanur, the nurse in my doctors office said she would just follow the BTD until you know for sure.  I think I'm actually going to just start the teacher diet. But, again, there isn't a whole lot of new stuff to be really all that concerned about.  Most everything on the teacher diet I've had at some point on either the AB or Nomad diet, and the things I haven't had, I probably won't be buying until down the road anyways.  I think I'll have some peanut butter today though.  hehehhehehe

And your point is taken, I'll try not to stress out about it.  


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Mrs.T, I was wrong.  I was getting whorls and loops mixed up.  I basically have all loops.  One of them could maybe be considered an arch.  But I think it's pretty much a loop.  I was getting whorls and loops mixed up because it had been a while since I read that part.  Then I had to look at it again.  I still strength test 1 higher as a teacher I think compared to Nomad.  But there are questions I don't know.  

Chanur, the nurse in my doctors office said she would just follow the BTD until you know for sure.  I think I'm actually going to just start the teacher diet. But, again, there isn't a whole lot of new stuff to be really all that concerned about.  Most everything on the teacher diet I've had at some point on either the AB or Nomad diet, and the things I haven't had, I probably won't be buying until down the road anyways.  I think I'll have some peanut butter today though.  hehehhehehe

And your point is taken, I'll try not to stress out about it.  


ABNoWay, remember that we have been told that it can take 3-6 months to reset your genes by using mainly superfoods and avoiding black dots and avoids scrupulously.



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Yeah, but what does that mean exactly?  I don't know how long I've been on the GTD but it's probably around 3 months.  Give or take.


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it means you now follow the GT specifications for your new GT diamonds and superfoods for another certain period of time, to reset and make sure you are on the right track now.


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I've been following the Teacher diet now for nearly 3 weeks and I can't tell any real difference.  If I'm a Teacher, shouldn't things be better?  Or if I really am  Warrior, shouldn't I feel worse now?  Mostly what's changed are my cheeses and a few odds and ends I've had to give up.  I eat ~90% diamonds (not just beneficials, but diamonds!) and I really can't tell any difference.  I'll join you in your boat, ABNW, the boat named Rockin'.  I feel like that's what I'm doing, is rocking the boat, but I'm not sure if it's a good thing yet or not.  I might have to say my headaches are a little better.  And maybe my shoulder.  I do still have to be adjusted once a week at the chiro, but at least I'm not in as much pain.  Maybe.  So much else is going on right now it could be any factor.  I'm spending many hours in the garden and hard physical work causes me to need less adjustments.


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Well, they both have less red meats, if any obviously, and are geared to getting your protein more by fish, nuts, dairy, and beans.  They are kind of different though.  Warrior gives you more tasty fruit options, eh?  I don't know.  I'm pretty sure I'm not a warrior.  If anything it is the question between Nomad and Teacher.  

Hey ribbit, we have VBS at my church right now and there is an Evangelist named Russ Hanson and family running it.  It's really cool.  He was a geologist and I wonder if you've heard of him.  He's from up here though in Wisconsin Dells.  I didn't go tonight because I didn't feel up to it.  But I was there last night and Sunday night.  Also, nice pic of you shooting an SKS.  I was like.     Although not completely surprised.

Anyways, how is your candida fight going?  Are you winning with the GTD.  I would think the different GTD's might make a difference with that.  The Teacher's whole profile is about having too much gut bugs, so to speak.  Which fits my description.  My bet is that is why there isn't as many sugary fruits on the list for the Teachers.  No grapes, Prunes, Apples, whatever else there is.  

My chiro has to keep pushing down my stomach for hiatal hernia and it does make me feel better.  Sorry I don't know how to spell that.  


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Hey ribbit, we have VBS at my church right now and there is an Evangelist named Russ Hanson and family running it.  

DH probably has.  He knows everybody.  DH is in PA this week at a big conference.  I'm lonely.

Also, nice pic of you shooting an SKS.  I was like.     Although not completely surprised.

I'm a Warrior after all, right?   Oh, wait, maybe not.  I like the SKS.  Nice.  Smooth.  Accurate.

Anyways, how is your candida fight going?  

Okay, I guess, although my skin is still off-and-on good and then bad.  

Are you winning with the GTD.  I would think the different GTD's might make a difference with that.  The Teacher's whole profile is about having too much gut bugs, so to speak.  Which fits my description.  

Me too.  I'm sort of both, which confuses me.


My chiro has to keep pushing down my stomach for hiatal hernia and it does make me feel better.  Sorry I don't know how to spell that.

My chiro does that for DD#1's tummy aches.  Some little flap in there gets, well -- flappy, for lack of a better word -- and needs poking occasionally.  Thanks for asking about me.  I don't want to hijack the thread, though.

  




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Well I did start the thread, so no hijack felt by me.  It's all about the people.

I know how you feel about being both.  I feel like I fit alot of the descriptions of the teacher AND the nomad.  I have a feeling we're not the only ones that have that situation.

As far as the candida goes, am I understanding this correctly that you are eating a little wheat now and OK with it?


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Yes!  Wheat doesn't affect the Candida.  Only sugar does.  And something else I haven't figured out yet, as is indicated by my skin.  But it's not wheat that's the problem.  Wheat used to cause all sorts of troubles for me but after being on the Warrior diet I can eat it again.  I wonder how it would have been if I'd started out on the Teacher diet.  I can still tolerate wheat and dairy on the Teacher diet.  Even the flip-flop of cheeses hasn't been a problem.


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Wheat doesn't affect the Candida.  Only sugar does.


Any starches will affect my Fungal infection...

I had to eat some starches for a while, but recently found out that I wasn't getting enough Amino acids.  As soon as I started supplementing them, the starch need dropped away and I'm back to beneficial proteins, vegetables and fats with very little fruit and no grains...

Somewhat boring diet, but as long as I'm able to reduce the toxin, keep the pain in check and up the healing, I'm all for it!


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ABJoe, you're a warrior!  Wow, that's news to me.  How's your measurements?  Is your torso or legs longer?  Is your upper or lower leg longer and what's up with your fingers?  

I think that's why I've lost alot of weight.  Not alot of sugary fruits lately.  I think I'm going to start eating some more.  At least compliant ones.  Whatever that is.  Hehehhehehe.


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ABJoe, you're a warrior!  Wow, that's news to me.  How's your measurements?  Is your torso or legs longer?  Is your upper or lower leg longer and what's up with your fingers?  

I think that's why I've lost alot of weight.  Not alot of sugary fruits lately.  I think I'm going to start eating some more.  At least compliant ones.  Whatever that is.  Hehehhehehe.

I don't remember the measurements exactly, but I think my legs were 1 inch longer than torso.  Lower leg longer than upper.  Finger lengths don't matter as all AB(-) with my torso and leg measurements are Warrior...

The diet fits really well and I am healing at a very fast rate.  It is a struggle to keep balanced so I don't get headaches from lacking some nutrient...  
My body is removing toxins from all the lyphomas, which sometimes hurt/itch and I've expelled several small ones through the skin and heal...  Not especially wonderful to look at, but it is effective in getting rid of the junk!



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that sounds encouraging!


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Wow, that is great Joe!!!!!!  It sounds like you are heading in the right direction!!!!!

You're the first AB Warrior I think I've heard of.  Maybe there are more.  I wasn't hanging around here for  a while.


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My body is removing toxins from all the lyphomas, which sometimes hurt/itch and I've expelled several small ones through the skin and heal...  Not especially wonderful to look at, but it is effective in getting rid of the junk!



Will you describe this more please?  Expelled....what?....through the skin?  What did it look like?  Where?  On your neck under your jawline?


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Alrighty then.  I went to an IFHI practitioner today.  Very helpful. And very nice.  Also real near me.  She had the kits and helped me do all the measurements.

Here's what happened.  In her office we found my legs longer.  Which is opposite of what I did.  By exactly an inch.  We did it in 2 different chairs.  My ring fingers are definitely longer on both hands.  Which I had that right. The legs are the problem spot still.  My lower is 15" and she came up with my upper at 15-1/2".  Which using the advanced calculator, saying my upper is longer, puts me as a warrior.  But, the question is, are we doing the upper measurement correctly?  And is 1/2" basically the same or not the same?  I do believe Lloyd said if it is within a 1/2", you call it the same.  And if so, ties go to the lower leg and that would put me back at a nomad.  So, I'm still confused.

Furthermore, she measured my head, did my jaw angle and all this.  The only thing we didn't do is the prints, and I can see what they are just by looking at them.  I have ALL loops.  I don't understand which way is ullnar and which way isn't.  The book and the video says it "opens" to your pinky.  Well, where is there an opening on a loop? And when they ask if they are the same on each side, do they just mean a loop or a loop that "opens" the same way, or the opposite way for symmetrical-ness? I digress, after doing all the other measurements with my head, if she did it right, I score highest as a Nomad.  17.  Which probably doesn't matter anyways because the measurements are what counts.  I think.

Right now, I feel like I'm too stupid to figure this thing out, and I think I'm going back the AB diet. Maybe it will help me gain some weight back and with the supplements my doctor is giving me, they are targeting detoxing anyways.  

Can anyone tell I'm frustrated?  I'm probably being overly anal, but I mean, Warrior, Nomad?  There is a big difference in diets and I don't want to eat the wrong one.  It's just that simple.  And I can't seem to target which one it is EXACTLY.  If I try the warrior diet, I'd probably lose more weight, and I'm already at the LOWEST healthy weight for my height.

Any comments are welcomed, but at this point, I'm overwhelmed by details and minutia that I can't take it any longer.  I need an easy answer, and the AB diet is just that.



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I feel your pain ABNoWay....same thing happened to me.  I got so stressed and obsessed about being exactly sure that the more I checked the different my measurements were.  So since I was already having great success doing my BTD I decided to stay with it til the end of the year and by then hopefully I will have found someone I trust to help me with getting the measurements right.  Feel like I need an objective person to tell me what my body type is and head shape as I feel I am a little of each.  And now with losing even more weight Im more unsure.  Ive accepted that it will have to wait but am enjoying the BTD and look forward to the GTD.    Good luck to you.


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Thank you. As I said before, I feel comfort knowing I'm not the only having this issue.  Maybe I'm being summoned back to the AB diet by a higher power for some unforseen reason.  I don't know.  I want to do what's mostly beneficial for my health, and maybe the AB is the thing right now.

Maybe all of this will be a non issue and we can get SWAMI'd and figure out exactly what it best for us.  Although, just eating the foods and seeing how it goes can help us with that.  At least we know what's supposed to be good for our blood type.


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Will you describe this more please?  Expelled....what?....through the skin?  What did it look like?  Where?  On your neck under your jawline?


You want graphics? Ok...
Lyphomas - subcutaneous (under the skin) cysts (lumps - hard or soft, hard seem to be more compacted), mostly benign, but if turn malignant can grow up to 30% per day!

Expelled through the skin - several of the sights have had an open sore that refused to heal.  The practitioner I am workiing with suggested I get "Indian herb" from http://www.lifelinewater.com to put on it to kill the fungal infection and draw the waste through the skin.  The instructions for use are on the web site.  I have had some different visuals - two sights (shin and forearm) looked like there were a group of carrots (tiny) killed and expelled, while three other times (1 shin, 2 forearm), it looked (and felt) like either a lentil or half a split pea were expelled.  In either case, the material expelled is gray and either soft (roots) or hard for larger pieces.  the skin fill in pretty quickly once the junk is pushed out, but it takes a while for the skin tone to return to normal.

I also woke up about a week ago and had several red spots of varying size from about 1/8th inch diameter to 1/2 (base) x 1 inch height triangle on my left forearm.  The body must have been fighting something - probably more fungal infection, but the two largest has some small blisters (2 or 3 each) and pop and now are just slightly darker spots on the arm...

I have the lyphomas all over the body, except head and neck (it seems like the body puts them where they do the least harm), but I have had healing ongoing in the sinus cavities and in the skin around the nose...  They are all reducing in size now, fortunately.  The largest are on my left hip, there are three in a cluster that had grown all together to form a lump about 4 to 5 inch diameter and at least an inch thick.  It has reduced again to three seperate lumps...  They are really painful when they are between two ribs and hurt when you breath heavily or bend over too far that direction .

I tried to answer all of the question, but if there are more, I'll do my best.


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Any comments are welcomed, but at this point, I'm overwhelmed by details and minutia that I can't take it any longer.  I need an easy answer, and the AB diet is just that.

I don't think you can lose by going back to the AB diet.

For me, the body had already "told" me that I was eating too much meat.  When I measured and determined Warrior, then looked at the diet, it made perfect sense (and works great, too)...  
I can imagine the frustration of not really feeling right, as I was approaching that with the AB diet...  I went with what the body was requesting, since the diet is "guidelines".


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  I do believe Lloyd said if it is within a 1/2", you call it the same.



What I said was qualified to an extent. If you are fairly confident of your measurements then 1/2" (or even less) is more than enough to say your leg sections are not the same length. With greater then 1/2" you should be confident of the measure, in my opinion. With more than 1/2" innacuracies in the measurment are much less important than the technique.

For someone who is not sure of their measurements but thinks the upper is longer by a small amount (generally less than 1/2") then strength testing may be the better option rather than using the tie rule.

The final proof is how you do on the diet, the suggestion is only aimed at the person having a stress free way to determine the GT with the best initial accuracy. There will always be a few people who initially start out on the wrong diet.  
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Well, I'll tell you this.  I'm not completely confident about the measurements on the legs.  I think it's close.  But not sure.  My strength does have me as a Nomad. I think.  Hehehehe.  Which may very well be exactly what I am. The only thing I'm 100% sure on the measurements is my Ring fingers are longer than my index fingers on both hands.

I said in the other thread I came home and did some measuring and I'm back to having a longer torso.  I'm going crazy so I'm just gonna do the AB diet for now.  


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Well, I'll tell you this.  I'm not completely confident about the measurements on the legs.  I think it's close.  But not sure.  My strength does have me as a Nomad. I think.  Hehehehe.  Which may very well be exactly what I am. The only thing I'm 100% sure on the measurements is my Ring fingers are longer than my index fingers on both hands.

I said in the other thread I came home and did some measuring and I'm back to having a longer torso.  I'm going crazy so I'm just gonna do the AB diet for now.  


The frustrating thing is I'm pretty confident the GTD is the better diet.  I'm sold on the science.  But what are you gonna do? I have a feeling because this whole deal is pretty new, there may be a learning curve for teaching and learning.  Although I admit, that may just be me rationalizing my failure to figure it out.


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I just quoted myself.  See, I'm going crazy.


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ABNW, there's no rush to get on the GTD.  I pre-ordered the book and got it in December, but didn't start doing GTD until about a month ago.  I dipped my toe in it, and from reading it and experimenting I discovered my gluten intolerance, but I mostly stayed with BTD until last month.

I believe BTD was a better diet for me up to that point, because I was still quite sickly.  GTD does a lot of remodeling, while BTD mostly cleans and repairs the house.  I needed to get the cleaning up and repairs done before I was ready to start the serious remodeling (i.e. the epigenetic reprogramming of GTD).  If you still feel like you are improving on the AB diet, stick with it a while longer.  If you are having trouble with your weight, eat more grains.  I know you're trying to kill off the candida, but maybe it would be better to do it in bursts.  Go a few weeks on that diet, then relax and eat more starches and sugars for a couple of weeks.  Three weeks of total warfare again that alien was all I could stand, and I lost 10 lbs. over that time.  I still haven't regained, but at least I'm holding steady now.
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Thanks guys.  Drive, what you said sounds good.  And I think your probably completely correct.  


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You know, I just thought about something.  You could try what I'm thinking about doing with my daughter.  As an AB she's supposed to do well with soy and peanuts.  Both make her sick.  I tend to think that she's a Nomad because of this.  She's dairy-intolerant and allergic to eggs too, which doesn't make any sense, but if she's a Nomad at least the soy and peanuts makes sense.  What I'm saying is this:  Maybe you can make better sense of the food lists themselves rather than worrying about your measurements.  Is there a particular food list that fits you better?  Do you find yourself looking at one particular beneficial list and saying, "I don't feel good when I eat those"?  Chances are, that's not the list for you.


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That's not a bad idea.  But what would be the difference in doing that compared to following the BTD and staying away from things I know are no good for me?  

  
As far as which genotype list feels best to me, I can't make the call.  There are foods that work and don't work for me on more than one list.  And there are also traits I can identify with very strongly in more than one of those.  Especially the Teacher and the Nomad.  Maybe some people can relate to one type more than any of the others.  Like my Mom.  We measured her, we found her as a Gatherer.  She fits the description real well, and she said she felt even better once she started doing it.  She hasn't lost a ton of weight.  But some, and she has a little more energy overall than BTD.  It just hasn't been that clear cut for me.  I do admit, I don't feel like I was getting worse doing the Nomad.  But I did lose 9 lbs that I didn't really want to.


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You know, I just thought about something.  You could try what I'm thinking about doing with my daughter.  As an AB she's supposed to do well with soy and peanuts.  Both make her sick.  I tend to think that she's a Nomad because of this.  She's dairy-intolerant and allergic to eggs too, which doesn't make any sense, but if she's a Nomad at least the soy and peanuts makes sense...
Ribbit: I'd be very careful with that line of thinking. As you know, I'm an AB, too. However, I do not do very well with peanuts or soy either. Peanuts give me heartburn and tempeh and many other soy products make me sick to my stomach, etc. and I originally thought I was a Nomad. Turned out I am a Teacher - yet another supposedly soy & peanut friendly type...but not for this particular AB GT3. I know that the GT3 is the correct diet for me though. I've been following it since the day after Christmas and there have been far too many positive changes for me since then for it to be the wrong diet.

ABNoWay: My apologies for hijacking your thread.  

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Chanur, do you plan on trying soy and peanuts again one day to see if your body has healed enough to handle them?  You make a valid point.  And the AB nonnie diet has done her wonders, but she still has stomach aches and headaches (including migraines) and she needs a chiropractic adjustment at least once a week.  Something's still not quite right.


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Don't feel bad about hijacking.  All banter is welcome here.  I think Chanur makes a good point.  I personally don't think everyone that knows their GTD for sure, still won't have some issues with certain foods.  Because we are all different.  That's why there is the SWAMI.  Otherwise, why would that be necessary?  At the same time, I can see why you, ribbit, would want to figure out her genotype to see if there is some positive changes that could happen with it.

Furthermore, My doctor is really not up on soy for anyone.  He does realize it may be better for some than others, but he says there are things in a lot of soy products that are toxins for everyone.  Maybe he's wrong.  I realize this is a controversial thing.  Same goes for Gluten.  I think they pretty much recommend everyone be gluten free, if you're having issues.   Even A's.  At least for a little while.  He believes in the BTD but they kind of fine tune everyone to their issues that come up on testing. I think it may be that sometimes you need to avoid things.  Maybe not forever, but it may be a piece of the healing puzzle for some of us.


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ABNoWay: I couldn't have said it better myself. And since I have your permission to change the thread topic somewhat, my reply for Ribbit follows.

Ribbit: Because you said you already know that she does better on the AB nonnie diet I looked at the Explorer lists instead of the other three AB possibilities. On those lists I found that peanuts and soy are out for them just like for the Nomads. It is my understanding that most of the Explorer group is made up of nonnies. Is there any reason you have eliminated this genotype as a possibility for her?

What other foods does she react to or particularly like or dislike? Believe it or not, I can still remember many of my food preferences from back when I was very very young...mostly from arguing with my parents about stuff I didn't want to eat that they said was good for me. Most of it ended up not being good for me after all as shown by BTD & GTD - not that it was their fault, neither BTD nor GTD existed back then).

I remember reading about an experiment done in Japan with 5 year olds. They put out a buffet of foods and let the kids pick whatever they wanted. All or nearly all of the kids picked foods that were appropriate, for the most part, for their bloodtype. I'm guessing the same would hold true if they tried that again only tested for genotype.

As far as I am personally with the peanuts and soy: I have found that I can tolerate Mori-Nu brand tofu, Yamasa brand soy sauce, and plain edamame (no migraines), but everything else soy is still a very definite no. I can have the peanuts now, but they must be mixed in with other other things (like homemade granola topped yogurt for example).

Like ABNW said, some of us still need SWAMI and in addition to that we are still all unique. In addition to the soy and peanut issue, I still cannot do quinoa in any form. I re-tried that one, too. Instead of better, it has gotten worse.

Speaking of SWAMI, has anyone had any updates as to when it's due to be available online? I had read on the 15th on the NAP site, then I heard the 8th (yesterday). I know these things take time. I'm trying not to be impatient...just looking for more data is all.

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tempeh and many other soy products make me sick to my stomach, etc.

There is only one soy milk brand that I can find that is acceptable, and even though it is the most expensive, that is the one that I always look for.




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Well the reason I assumed Nomad is because her Daddy is.  And they are similar in build.  She looks like his family somewhat.  She has followed all his food intolerances.  First eggs, then corn, then dairy, then soy and finally all gluten and chicken.  That was just about the same order DH removed those foods, except gluten was the first for him.  Now DH can eat eggs and dairy again.  Peanuts make her vomit (this is fairly new).  There are a few other minor troubles that just give her red eye circles, like maple syrup and honey, which is how I came to conclude she's a nonnie.  I can't figure out how to get good fingerprints out of her, but from what it sounds like many of us have prints different from what is suggested by our genotype.

Most of the time I don't force them to eat something for that very reason.  I do believe that if given a choice (between two good, healthy foods) they'll choose the one that's best suited for them.  Unfortunately DD really, really likes tofu, peanuts and eggs and bemoans them often.  Obviously if they balk at something that is on their diets and they're just griping because they're the ages they are, I'll make them eat a spoon or two and they can't eat anything else except more of the same until the next meal.  Especially if it's a food they usually enjoy.

I also remember all too well being forced to eat things that now are on my toxin list.  Usually foods that to me were bitter or sour.  I learned to eat them, and as an adult I love just about anything that's put in front of me, but I certainly do remember getting spanked because I wouldn't finish my slaw, for instance.  (My mom would put bell peppers in the slaw, which made it very bitter.  I could eat it fine without peppers.)  I'm not going to spank my kids because they don't like a particular food.  Good grief.  There might be a good reason they don't like it.


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ABNW: Did you take that 'test' to see if BTD or GTD is better?
It's somewhere on this board.
To lose weight, GTD is more recommended. I also think if cancer or heart trouble are in your family,it's GTD also.

Maybe you are one of the BTDers. I still think it would be good to concentrate on foods that are good for al types you think you are, so you don't get the wrong stuff.
Many of us went thru 'evolutions' of finding our BT secretor status & then GT. I did for each. The nonnie diet was better & the gatherer diet is slowly showing improvement.  
Too bad we have such short summers. The cooler weather sets me back. Maybe this year, it won't do it as much.  

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Mrs T.  I like the cool and yes I did the test.  GTD was the better for me.  I think mainly for my fatigue, but I can't remember the questions.

Chanur, isn't it funny.  I can eat quinoa like it's going out of style but millet doesn't sit well with me.  

Ribbit, I know what you're saying about eating stuff.  But something I have to say.  I did the tasting strips and it turns out I'm a super taster, I guess.  And I love peppers.  In fact, there aren't alot of foods I sorely dislike.  When I was a kid though, I was as picky as they come.  To me, the taste of things just becomes an acquired taste.


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I went back and made a grid out of what you've told me so far. Here's what it looked like:
Your daughter            Rating for the four possible genotypes:
gets sick off of:         GT3            GT4           GT5            GT6
    eggs                  super         dot          super          super
    corn                      dot         dot          avoid          avoid
    dairy         many choices   few choices  few choices  many choices
    soy               super            dot         diamond        avoid
  gluten             mixed          mixed       mixed    gluten issues
  chicken             dot            neutral     avoid          dot
maple syrup            dot            super       super         super
    honey          super            super         dot         diamond
    tofu          super            avoid       diamond       avoid
   peanuts           super            avoid       diamond        dot

She seems to be lining up awfully close to the GT4/Explorer. Yes, I do see your point about her GT6/Nomad dad...but if the Nomad diet has already been tried and it doesn't seem to be doing it for her, why not try the GT4/Explorer one just for a little while?

Another thing you could consider trying: even though she's too young to measure perhaps she's old enough that her measurements would give you an indication as to which genotype she is tracking towards. See if it's again more like Nomad or more Explorer or makes the question more complicated by favoring one of the other two.

Sorry about the uneven columns...tried to straighten them out for you...didn't work much as you can see.

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Well, this brings up a good point.  I don't fully understand this, but from what I can tell you could be a totally different genotype from your parents, no?  Because it's what happens in the womb, not outside that turns certain genes on and off.  And that's got more to do with what mom is doing, I think.  So even if ribbits husband is a Nomad, that doesn't mean any one of the kids has to be. If I'm understanding that correctly. Yeah, we get the blood types from our parents though.  Am I correct?


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Chanur, thanks so much for doing that.  I haven't had the time to put together a chart like that, though that is the way my brain works.  I used to make lists and lists of foods DH ate, trying to figure out what was making him feel so awful.  Turns out, looking back at them, the days he felt the worst was when he had either soy or chicken.  Duh!  He's a B!  But we weren't on the BTD then (it was only a few months later than I went on it).

Can I ask a really dumb question?  I feel terrible even having to ask this.  I'm sure it's been covered and I just missed it.  And I know what it means, by the way it's used, but....here goes....What does SWAMI stand for?  

I haven't actually tried the Nomad diet with her.  She's so sensitive that I haven't wanted to rock the boat.  Maybe I should go ahead and try it anyway.  She's pretty open to trying new foods.  She has a cold right now that she caught from some snotty-nosed kid at a store who wouldn't stop trying to play tag with her even though she (and I) told him to stop.  His mama thought it was cute.  It might have been if he hadn't had a cold.  So we're home from church this morning.  She's watching Pooh, the baby's toddling from one to the other of us trying to find things to chew on (cutting 4 molars at once! Aaaaah!  Does it ever end?!) and I'm enjoying the quiet.  

I don't know about Explorer.  It could be that if she were on the proper GTD, her body would heal, as mine has, and she would be able to eat those foods again.  Eggs was the first biggie for her.  Just a couple of days after she was born she began to scream a high-pitched wail that didn't end, night or day, for 4 months.  I was on the verge of suicide, I lie not.  The only thing that kept me alive was the question of who would care for her if I did myself in.  Can you say Postpartum Depression?  I went to a La Leche League meeting and they suggested she was allergic to something I was eating (and it was going through the breastmilk).  Sure enough, it was eggs.  I stopped eating eggs and she stopped screaming and started sleeping.  Every 6 or 8 months I try eggs with her again and she still hasn't outgrown the allergy.  Corn and soy are worse.  Chicken makes her cry and she says it makes her feel sad.  Can chicken cause depression in some people?  Huh.  

With the combination of foods available on these lists, I'm going to assume that once I figure out what she is, her body will heal on that diet and she'll be able to eat some of those foods again.  I've been feeding her ghee nearly every day for about 6 months (since I started making it) and maybe that'll set her up for being able to tolerate some of these foods again one day.

The only thing that seems to go back and forth is gluten.  She can occasionally have oats.  When they don't bother her for a while I'll give her some spelt or rye or something, but if they start giving her loose stools, I take it all away again and she goes back to rice.  We've repeated this cycle several times.


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Ok, I just read the entire section on Explorers in the book and it sounds just like her!  Super sensitive (we eat at Cracker Barrel a lot when we're on the road because we can all find something safe there, but when we walk in she starts rubbing her nose and scratching her cheeks--many restaurants do that to her, but Cracker Barrel is the worst) and tends to have unexplained, sudden complaints.  I'll try the Explorer diet for a couple of weeks.  Thanks, Chanur.


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Wow ribbit.  4 months straight of screaming.  How did you figure out eggs?  Did you just fast and start putting foods back in?  Seems like it would've been hard to figure out.


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Chicken makes her cry and she says it makes her feel sad.  Can chicken cause depression in some people?  Huh.  

I wouldn't discount it...  It is difficult to determine all of the possible "reasons" why she would feel sad...  

I've had some really "different" reactions to some foods.  There are times when I don't think right, but I often can't find a specific cause - although I presume it is now caused by detoxing...  I have found that my moods are smoothed significantly by taking Nitricycle and Catechol.


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Can chicken cause depression in some people?

wrong lectins can cause that, and more, as we have all found out already, and thus chicken for your daughter....


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I thought that Dr. D said for children to eat BTD & start GTD after age 12 or 13.
I'm still waitng for SWAMI also. I think I'm borderline, altho I'm growing into gathering.........

I am also under the impression that GTs are not inherited the same way BTs are. They are influenced by outside forces as well as one's blood type.
I'm guessing my older son to be a nomad, my younger a teacher, & my husband a warrior. I keep gathering with my concealed carry hunter lurking nearby. Explorer? I doubt, altho I have some signs of that also!
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I can't figure out how to get good fingerprints out of her



I would try to see if there is a local program (sponsored by the police department or other group) to fingerprint children for identification and then let someone with experience fingerprinting children do it for you.

If that is not an option there are some kits to fingerprint children. I do not know if these make it any easier or more reliable.

For instance

http://www.childidprogram.com/03id_kit.html

This looks like it does it the same way as the genotyping kit (therefore not easier):

http://www.fingerprintamerica.com/c_choiceprint.asp

Here is an expensive electronic approach:

http://sentry-technologies.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/1?osCsid=947886741713e726c9730a0e6af8013c


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I know this thread has kind of taken a turn but I thought I would just say, when I redo all my measurements and strength tests and stuff, I think I'm stilla nomad.  Hahahahhahahhahahha!!!!  It's that 1/2" on the legs that is getting me hung up.  Well, I'm going to do the AB diet and see what happens.  But I know my Doctors office said they'd help me remeasure the next time I go in.

Anyways, please resume to whatever everyone wants to talk about.

Ribbit, something kind of hit me last night.  It would be interesting to measure the kids.  Even though it doesn't matter.  But you could track where they change and where they don't and if the foods coincide with the changes in measurements.  Maybe that's too crazy of an idea.  I don't know.


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I would try to see if there is a local program (sponsored by the police department or other group) to fingerprint children for identification and then let someone with experience fingerprinting children do it for you.

If that is not an option there are some kits to fingerprint children. I do not know if these make it any easier or more reliable.

For instance

http://www.childidprogram.com/03id_kit.html

This looks like it does it the same way as the genotyping kit (therefore not easier):

http://www.fingerprintamerica.com/c_choiceprint.asp

Here is an expensive electronic approach:

http://sentry-technologies.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/1?osCsid=947886741713e726c9730a0e6af8013c

As I mentioned a while back, I found conventional fingerprinting with an ink pad quite difficult as there was always too much or too little ink to read the print properly.
However, one day whilst sitting in the sun after having put some liquid makeup on my face, I glanced at my finger tips and found that I could read the prints easily at source without even having to print them out. Pencil and paper at hand, I recorded all 10 prints in a minute, and got more results than my bumpy, blurred ink prints. If you did this on a child I assume that their prints would be life-long identifiers, and thus a useful clue on top of their blood type, to narrow down their GTD from the 3 possibilities arising out of blood type.
In fact any child older than a baby could be involved in helping do the drawings and experience this fascinating bit of personal scientific research.




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Can chicken cause depression in some people?

That's about how I felt on last Monday, after eating chicken the night before.
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Wow ribbit.  4 months straight of screaming.  How did you figure out eggs?  Did you just fast and start putting foods back in?  Seems like it would've been hard to figure out.


Well, you can't fast when you're breastfeeding or your milk will go away. (Although last time I had a stomach virus I didn't eat anything for about 3 days and I still had milk, surprisingly).  The ladies at LLL suggested wheat or dairy, since they're the most common allergies.  But I was already off those.  So they said, "It's probably something you're eating every single day."  We went over what I'd been eating and eggs seemed like a plausible possibility, especially since at that time DH couldn't eat eggs.  From there, over the next couple of years when she would develop a funny wailing or bright red cheeks or other allergy symptom like that, we'd review what she'd been eating a lot of the last few days and weeks.  Then we'd take out the likely cause, and pretty soon realized they were the exact foods her Daddy had trouble with.  Hence my recent thought she was also a Nomad.  But I'm going to try Explorer for her.  

Good idea about putting makeup on their fingers and taking them outside.  Will try---their little fingertips are so tiny though!

Drive, if it's any consolation to you, DH can now eat chicken every once in a while and it not bother him.  When he travels sometimes he doesn't have a whole lot of choice about what he eats.  Sometimes he's fed at strangers' homes and it would just be flat-out terrible for him to turn it down.  I expect he would turn it down if they fed him tofu steeped in soy sauce, but it's unlikely here in the great US of A (except in my house--I've fed tofu to strangers and they talked about how amazing my teryaki chicken was ).


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WOW!  Good detective work.  Sounds like God was working.


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...I'm going to try Explorer for her.


Please let us know how it works out for her.
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[quote=973]

Well, you can't fast when you're breastfeeding or your milk will go away. (Although last time I had a stomach virus I didn't eat anything for about 3 days and I still had milk, surprisingly).  The ladies at LLL suggested wheat or dairy, since they're the most common allergies.  But I was already off those.  So they said, "It's probably something you're eating every single day."  We went over what I'd been eating and eggs seemed like a plausible possibility, especially since at that time DH couldn't eat eggs.  From there, over the next couple of years when she would develop a funny wailing or bright red cheeks or other allergy symptom like that, we'd review what she'd been eating a lot of the last few days and weeks.  Then we'd take out the likely cause, and pretty soon realized they were the exact foods her Daddy had trouble with.  Hence my recent thought she was also a Nomad.  But I'm going to try Explorer for her.  

Good idea about putting makeup on their fingers and taking them outside.  Will try---their little fingertips are so tiny though!

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Yes, I hadn't thought of the size of the fingertips. Perhaps an old fashioned magnifying glass would be of help?
Re the eggs, my 11 month old grandson was having such bad reactions with reflux/food, that we finally went to an allergy specialist and found with the arm pricks that he is seriously allergic to egg (not that he had been given any, but his breastfeeding mother would have had some, not much).




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Drive, if it's any consolation to you, DH can now eat chicken every once in a while and it not bother him.

How does he do on eggs now?  I mentioned this in another thread, but I also had 1 scrambled (very soft) egg on Sunday morning.  It made me sleepy most of the day, but I felt ok otherwise.  I figured the effect had worn off by Monday, but may the two culprits conspired against me to wreck my Monday.  I guess I'll have to try chicken again, far away from any other avoids, to get a clear reading on how it affects me.  I wish I'd thought about that egg sooner, it makes better sense now.

So which came first?  The egg did, at least on that day!
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After he was on the BTD for 6 months or so I suggested he reintroduce eggs and dairy (neither of which he was able to tolerate).  He reluctantly tried and now eats 2 eggs for breakfast every morning along with a big bowl of yogurt with fresh fruit and he always, always, always has mozzarella cheese with lunch.


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One of these days....   I really miss eggs.  I am glad I never had dairy problems, so I've got that going for me at least.
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Chanur,
  Your chart rules. I found this thread looking for SWAMI Consumer Version's release date. I'll check back on the 8th and see if there's news.

I want to take my knowledge and compliance to a new level and was debating the mini-conference, a pretty big trip for me. I'm going to invest in a secretor test and the SWAMI program instead when that comes out. I hope everyone who attends enjoys the conference. Another conference in Minneapolis/St. Paul or Chicago would be nice


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Sounds like your a teacher to me, a little too much into details.  I was the same way, I went through almost all the diets before I found out the right one, teacher.  You look like me too, Sinewy.  I knew for sure I was on the right track when I listened to Bjorks music and it spoke to me and didn't creep me out, I just felt the teacher energy there.
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Who are you talking to, SaveRain?


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I think she's talking to me.  I've been doing the AB diet and I felt pretty darn good last week.  I have been staying away from things that are supposed to be good but don't do good for me.  Like millet.  AND, I'm going to be taking a food IGG test or basically and allergy test and I may end up having to rotate some of my foods.  What does that have to do with anything?  I don't know.  But after I do my measurements and strength test, I really think I'm still a Nomad.  The legs still give me doubt though.  So, it is what it is.  I'm on the AB diet.  If I ever quit going to this doctor and not take supplements that help me detox, I'd REALLY like to make sure because I think the GTD diet helps you detox well.

I think that's one of the problems about me taking the supplements.  It seemed like the diet plus the supplements would detox me so hard, it would make me feel really bad.  But the BTD seems like it doesn't do it as quick and the supplements help.  I don't know.  Maybe I'm crazy.  Probably so.  I can still tell I'm fighting the stupid candida though, and it really is irritating.  But overall, I had a pretty darn good week last week, better than in a while, and I'm not on the GTD.  What does that mean?  I'm not sure besides the fact that I'm not doing any harm to my body by just sticking to the BTD.

And saverain, I saw the sugar cubes from the first row about 20 years ago.  Them, the violent femmes, PIL, and New Order.  Can you top that?     Boy, I'm so much better for it now too.  


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Maybe I'm crazy.  Probably so.  I can still tell I'm fighting the stupid candida though....


That'll make you crazy in and of itself.  Good to hear you had a great week.  Hey--BTD isn't a bad diet.  It's fantastic!  And GTD may not be for everybody.  I understand why Dr. D couldn't include all the "reasons why not" for the foods on the avoid lists in the GTD book, but it would have helped in cases like your own where you might like to change your genes (or at least "perfect" your diet) but you want to gain weight.  It would be nice to have a little red dot next to those avoids that are only avoids because they cause weight gain.  That way people like you and DH and Drive55 can eat lots of those.


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If I ever quit going to this doctor and not take supplements that help me detox, I'd REALLY like to make sure because I think the GTD diet helps you detox well.

I think that's one of the problems about me taking the supplements.  It seemed like the diet plus the supplements would detox me so hard, it would make me feel really bad.  But the BTD seems like it doesn't do it as quick and the supplements help.  I don't know.  Maybe I'm crazy.  Probably so.  I can still tell I'm fighting the stupid candida though, and it really is irritating.

Don't let the candida fight get you down...  Keep putting the right food in and tolerating the uncomfortable feelings as you detox and heal!  It can be a slow process (I know!), but I keep getting better, even though I still feel rough most days...  


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I think she is a he!


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It would be nice to have a little red dot next to those avoids that are only avoids because they cause weight gain.  That way people like you and DH and Drive55 can eat lots of those.

Amen sistah!  Meanwhile, I'm still sitting at a hefty 130 lbs., just like I have been for two months now.  That is seriously underweight for a guy who's 5'10".
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Drive, I've been hanging out at 131 and hitting a hefty 132 some days.  I think ribbit might be correct though. I don't know.  And I'm not saying it's a bad diet.  It may be that you had to lose a bunch of weight to help get rid of stuff and now you have to rebuild.  What my doctor told me is don't worry so much about the portions.  I was following the diet to a "T" with the portions.  Like it says such and such amount of times for Turkey per week.  Well, going over that with some nice fatty dark meat might be a good idea.  Or like the ghee and olive oil and beneficial fats.  He said don't skimp on it.  Use it liberally.  I think you heard me say that before eh?  Well anyways, like I said, I'm staying on the AB diet for now, it seems to be going well.


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Hey,
  Underweight and anemic have a few longevity advantages. Animal studies have shown longer lifespans in animals fed 30% less than normal and iron is an oxidant. Less of it in your system means less oxidative damage as long as you can maintain stamina. I found eating wheat gluten tired me out a lot more than having a low iron count.

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Ok, I just read the entire section on Explorers in the book and it sounds just like her!  Super sensitive (we eat at Cracker Barrel a lot when we're on the road because we can all find something safe there, but when we walk in she starts rubbing her nose and scratching her cheeks--many restaurants do that to her, but Cracker Barrel is the worst) and tends to have unexplained, sudden complaints.  I'll try the Explorer diet for a couple of weeks.  Thanks, Chanur.
So how's it going with her? Is the Explorer diet working out for her?

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I can't spare the funds for anything extra right now, not the Tennessee conference or the SWAMI.  I'm living paycheck to paycheck.  ABNW, I would eat a lot more meat except that it's so expensive (and beans just don't do it for me).  I think I'm already spending 1/4 to 1/3 of my take-home pay on food! On the bright side, at least I feel well enough to work and have pay, which I wouldn't be if I was still eating the cheap food on which I used to subsist.
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We're with you bro, we're with you.  I've found a store that at least carries Ostrich for 6.79 a pound.  I was paying 10.00.  My son has to rotate foods every 4 days because of his allergies.  And it's a challenge making sure he has the right amounts of meats when he's only got a few choices.  And ostrich is one of them.  

And good turkey isn't cheap.  And on and on.  I hear you.  BUT, it's an investment.  

I'm glad you are feeling better and can work.  I actually made it out to watch the Milwaukee Brewers play tonight.  That, I couldn't do a year ago.  Although it was kind of dicey in the beginning.  All that commotion in the ball park just kind of wears me down.  When I used to thrive on stuff like that.  Rrrrrrrrrrrr......  But we prayed, and once I got in there, I actually felt pretty good.  God is good!!!!!!!

Also Drive, my son said your picture looked like me, and I was like, you know, we do kind of resemble each other.  We should put our pictures together and see if everyone else thinks so.  


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So how's it going with her? Is the Explorer diet working out for her?



Yes!!!  Elizabeth is doing well on the Explorer diet.  As I told you in a p.m., there are two changes I see so far:

1. honey used to give her red eye circles.  Now she can eat honey again without any problem.

2. walnuts give her the runs.

Also she's having stomach aches and headaches less often.  Her moods are a little more stable.


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ABNW, there's no rush to get on the GTD.  I pre-ordered the book and got it in December, but didn't start doing GTD until about a month ago.  I dipped my toe in it, and from reading it and experimenting I discovered my gluten intolerance, but I mostly stayed with BTD until last month.

I believe BTD was a better diet for me up to that point, because I was still quite sickly.  GTD does a lot of remodeling, while BTD mostly cleans and repairs the house.  I needed to get the cleaning up and repairs done before I was ready to start the serious remodeling (i.e. the epigenetic reprogramming of GTD).  If you still feel like you are improving on the AB diet, stick with it a while longer.  If you are having trouble with your weight, eat more grains.  I know you're trying to kill off the candida, but maybe it would be better to do it in bursts.  Go a few weeks on that diet, then relax and eat more starches and sugars for a couple of weeks.  Three weeks of total warfare again that alien was all I could stand, and I lost 10 lbs. over that time.  I still haven't regained, but at least I'm holding steady now.


Drive are you gluten intolerance????...
so can you eat oats??, I belive that oats has gluten!!!....but itīs SF...

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When I want to gain weight I usually eat oats...   because I also lost weight easily...



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oats per se should not contain gluten, but it is the cross contamination found in handling the oats which may contain the problem.
find a source of GF organic oats.


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  I've been springing for better quality (grass-fed, organic) foods lately and it does get expensive. Of course, convenience food is expensive too and so little of the money goes to the farmer. I've got some pretty good garden veges right now and they're free! Lots of squash, green beans (which I've been canning), carrots, cucumbers, and peppers and they all grow great is zone 4a Wisconsin weather. There's a great Mexican market in Eau Claire that carries cheap cuts of mutton and goat meat for $3 a pound and I look forward to deer hunting. With this abundance, I'm finding it easier to focus on what I can eat.

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Chris, maybe I should pay you and have you ship me some mutton.  That's like 5 hours away from here.  hehehehehhehe.

Raquel, yeah, oats.  Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....  I think they are what have helped me put some weight back on.  And more grains in general.  But I have been eating oats lately and really like them.  I mean really.  If I eat too much though, my stomach doesn't like it.  But that's the case with anything.  I think it's just a little more sensitive to oats than say rice though.  Even sweet potatoes I can eat a whole one and it doesn't seem to affect me.  I probably said all this a hundred times.  Sorry.


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Ribbit, that's great news!  Hopefully the improvements will continue in other areas too.

Raquel, I am gluten intolerant.  Not bad enough that eating gluten makes me sick, but enough that it shows up in my fingerprints and in my sensitivity to eggs.  Regular oatmeal makes my stomach feel odd, but the gluten-free oatmeal doesn't.  Neither does oat bran.  The oat bran is a lot cheaper, and Nomad superfood, so I use it.

ABNW, I think you're right, we do favor each other a bit!
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ABNW are you also gluten intolerant???
About sweet potatoes with guee, it also help to gain weight,   and it¬īs delicious!!!!


DRIVE when I use oats cooked like a 'papilla baby'  or porridge at breakfast with rice or oats milk , I feel so good all the morning!!
Anyway, I hope you will better, at least your pic look nice...
When I was just 20 y.o, I had a strong colitis, so I began my flight in the naturopath world, in just 3 weeks I felt recovered ( with similar diet AB BTD and herb medicine) and never again I have had that terrible colitis....


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Ribbit are your daughter also nonnie?

My son is A NON like you !!! and he had bronchial asthma caused by dust, acarus...it is  allergic condition   We live in one of the most allergic area from Spain (too much acarus and KALIMA-dust from Sahara).....But since my son is on BTD he has got better woderful!!!!



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We assume she's a nonnie because of her sensitivities.  Also, when we tried the AB sec. diet and it just wasn't quite right, we changed her to the nonnie diet just to see, and it was better.  


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Ribbit when we changed to NON diet we noticed the improvements (we did the test). Also we use homeopathy and Np...itīs help me a lot when he's been sick (flus or cold) Now my son is 9 y.o heīs very healthy,
THANKS to DR.D and BTD!!!!

I hope the same to your kids


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I forgot and gave her almonds this morning.  This is why, when I talk to people about elimination diets, I say give it month, not just the two weeks recommended by the experts.  Not that I'm an expert--it's just that it takes a week just to make it habit to think about what you're putting in your mouth, another week of accidentally forgetting, another week of mostly compliance and by the fourth week maybe you've actually got a clean enough system to know if you've got a problem when you do eat it again.


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Ribbit I agree with you!!!! Sometimes some people needs more than a month to see the results because they  have high level of toxins.


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Yes, it takes time.  My son has been eating very well for a LONG time now, over a year.  And we get better and better at it.  I still let them indulge in small treats after dinner.  But otherwise they eat very healthy at pretty much every meal.  Every once in a while we let them get away with things they're not supposed to.  But not very often.  PLUS, he's on a ton of  supplements from our doctor.

And we see results, very slowly, but they are there.  It takes time.  I agree with ribbit.  A month is just scratching the surface.


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ABNW, have you thought of giving him fruit cobbler for dessert?  We've started making cobbler at least two or three nights a week.  Because it's sweetened with veg glycerin or agave, I don't worry about them eating a lot of it. And then they eat the leftovers for breakfast and I still don't have to worry about the "sugar" because it doesn't have any!


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Good suggestion.  We eat a lot of fresh everything in our house.  Fruits and veggies.  But a change up would be good.  How do you make it?


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Fruit cobbler???

Ribbit what`s that?....

I usually make dessert for my son!!! oats cookies , cake, apple brownie with agave.

when he takes some avoids ,no frecuently,(usually at a party, cinema, etc), I give him ARA plus


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