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JJR
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How can I know for sure what I am?

I am second guessing myself because I haven't been feeling too well this week.  But something is bothering me.  I had liver last Sunday and I'm wondering if this has something to do with it.  And it seems like when I eat lamb, it doesn't agree with me.  

Do you HAVE to go to Dr. D. to confirm the measurement is done properly?

There is only one measurement that I'm worried about.  My torso is clearly longer than my legs.  That I'm not confused about.  

And my ring fingers are almost most definitely longer than my index on both sides.  That's like 99.9999%.

The one I'm struggling with is the leg measurements.  I'm pretty darn sure I have the lower part correct.  The video shows it pretty well.  And I think I have the upper part correct too.  BUT, it all hinges on where exactly that spot is on top of your knee cap.  Do you start just right after the upper edge of your knee cap?  It says when you fall into the creese.  Well, there is definitely a little creese at the top of the kneecap but there is also a creese between the bones on either side.  So, I don't know how far up to start.  If I'm doing this wrong, and I'm measuring too far out, it could change things.  If I'm supposed to go inbetween that creese between my bones that flank my knee cap, it makes my upper leg the same as my lower.  Which means the tie goes to the upper.  That would make me a teacher.  I'm thinking this may be a possibility.  


How do I get confirmation??????

The other thing is they show using a flexible tape on the lower and upper leg.  When I use one, it makes a difference if I use a non flexible one.


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This might help:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1199468973/s-0/

If you weren't a Nomad, what would you be? How does that compare to the strength test method?

You can always try the other diet for awhile if you feel it would make a difference.
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It helps.  Helps with my confusion.

Afer all this time, I think I might actually be a teacher.


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AB, I went to the member pics thread to take a look at you and read some of your posts by going to your name and clicking on "posts by this member".

I couldn't find the pictures of you, and the posts were pretty vague. Can you post some more pics?

I'm thinking teacher too.  
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I see this questioning you are doing as confirmation that you have learned more information about your diet and are ready to make a significant change.

After much switching of diets and looking back over the last 2 years, the time that I felt best was when I took the original diet and highlighted all the things I loved on that diet. I started eating more of those things and I stopped eating the things that I didn't especially care for that were on the avoid list. I didn't eat those particular avoids for anyone.

I felt even better when I added things to my diet that had been off the list but that I missed and loved. That happened on the teacher diet but I still need to tweak it for me.

ABNoWay, I have "watched" you on this forum and know that you are intelligent and resourceful and have experimented with your food for quite a while. You already know foods that make you feel better and foods that don't.

Whether you are a Teacher or Nomad , you are above all , an individual and those diets are outlines or guides for you (excellent outlines and guides, of course ).

I would recommend you :

Make a list of the foods that you already know work for you.

Highlight the teacher foods that you love and start adding them.

"Keep what works"  (Guess who?)

Reassess the list at regular intervals.

Hopefully in a short time you end up with an "ABNoWay diet".

Even if this forum disappeared tomorrow , I have every confidence that you have all the information you need and it won't be long until you pull it all together. Trust your judgment.

Hope this isn't too much like a lecture! I'm rooting for you!

Now, I think I will go and follow my own advice!!


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Gillian good advice.  I think that's what had me revisit this whole thing.  Because I am listening to my body.  And you're right.  But it's still be nice to know what category I fit in.  

My wife is pretty convinced I'm a teacher after we did my measurements today.

I think I was measuring my upper leg wrong.  Before I got 16", now I get 14-1/2".  And my lower is 15"  Even if it was 15" and 15", tie goes to the lower.  I think I was measuring too far on the outside on the upper leg, instead of over the middle.

So, my torso is longer, my lower leg is longer(now), my ring fingers are longer, I'm an AB+ secretor.  That puts me in the Teacher GTD.  The change in upper / lower leg makes the difference.  

There have been things that I almost feel like have been moving me this way.  Some of the fruits I've been avoiding and sweeteners due to candida and when I try to add these red meats.  I have not felt good this whole week and the only thing I can think of is partly the liver I ate last Sunday.  

I also revisited the strength test and I get a 19.  I have more than 5 whorls, you can see my sinews, I don't know about prop taster and I'm not sure about the molar cusp, I have a square jaw and narrow head, I am lanky and muscular, there is an opening in between my legs, but I don't think there's much cancer in the family.  I only score 16 on the nomad.  Unless I'm a prop taster.  If I am it makes me 21 on the teacher and 19 on the nomad.  So either way I'd be ahead.

I kind of feel like an idiot because I've been really strict with my diet so I can get better and it seems like I screwed up and was doing the wrong diet.  The good thing is alot of the foods I was eating are good on the teacher diet too.  There are just a few things I'd need to tweak.  But I must be the silliest D'Adamo dieter of all time.  First I thought I was an A but I was really an AB, now I thought I was a Nomad but I'm pretty sure I'm a teacher.  Somebody slap me or something.  





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Looks like you've found the things you needed to find. Doesn't matter how long it takes or how you get there, getting there is the key.  
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yeah. those are the pics that I remember. the one with you on the couch.  Sinewy.  

and Gillian wrote it like a true teacher. Good advice. Teachers always point, point, point, point you to the right path.  

When the student is ready...

oh, and no slapping yourself. How could you have known? How could any of us have known?  This is ground breaking information.  
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ABNoWay, is it possible you could be a Warrior? My dad was AB+ and he was a Warrior.  There's no lamb on the Warrior diet   Only Turkey, veal and fish.  Are you tall? You're head doesn't look big..though..hmm.

If you look at al the diets, which one has most of your favorite foods on it? Which one is most like the way you like to eat?

BTW, we can have Ice Bear Ron slap you..
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It would be possible to be a warrior if I'm wrong on my fingers.(actually according to the book no, but according to the website, yes.  So I'm kind of confused about that too.)  But I don't think I am wrong on the fingers. It seems pretty evident that my ring fingers are longer on both hands.  Plus, I don't really fit the description I don't think.  Whereas my body is almost quintessential Teacher.  Lanky, not too tall, sinewy, square jaw.  Weird thing is there were traits that seem to really fit about a Nomad.  I'm very assymetrical.  I have a missing major pectoral on my left side.  Maybe I'm a combination.  Which probably isn't all that untrue.  We are all different.  

There's no lamb on the teacher diet either.  I've never had goat or mutton.  The fruits I've been eating are actually alot like the teachers due to candida.  The only thing I was eating fruit wise that is an avoid on the teacher was Granny Smith Apples.  I was eating cranberries, grapefruit, and a lot of blueberries.  I did throw strawberries and blackberries in there too, but I probably wouldn't miss them much.

Anyways, I could go on and on about things that make sense.  But I would really rather be able to have someone solidify my findings.  My wife is pretty convinced after helping me with the measurements today.  I'm kind of in a no man's land right now, because I'm pretty sure I'm going to the teacher diet, but I'm not going to add in all these things that I wasn't eating already.  Until I get some confirmation from another source.  Then I can start adding the things teachers can have that Nomads can't.  Plus I'll try and stay away from things I should on either.  


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Nice to see you again, brother!
Don't feel bad. We just got this diet info about the first of the year & have learned soooo much. Maybe you should concentreate on foods common to both diets & add teacher foods slowly. There are several of us who are almost borderline & have switched diets. More often it is Hunter-Gatherer problems & there are some Teacher-Warrior issues also.
The points aren't the ultimate test, unless all measuremments are equal! I have shared before that I had  most points on nomad, but that is impossible because I am an O!
I am a taster or more, but gatherers are non-tasters. There are differences. Keep up the good work!
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I kind of feel like an idiot because I've been really strict with my diet so I can get better and it seems like I screwed up and was doing the wrong diet.  The good thing is alot of the foods I was eating are good on the teacher diet too.  There are just a few things I'd need to tweak.  But I must be the silliest D'Adamo dieter of all time.  First I thought I was an A but I was really an AB, now I thought I was a Nomad but I'm pretty sure I'm a teacher.  Somebody slap me or something.  

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Exactly what I did. That's why I gave the advice. I wish someone had said that to me a few months ago.

So you want a silly contest? I probably win because I did the Explorer diet and gave up all my staples (oatbran, blueberries, fish, soy milk, flaxseed, avocados,) and started eating lots of chicken. The more compliant I got , the worse I felt. The Explorer is almost the opposite of the Teacher diet. It took me months to clue in. What was I thinking??

I did read somewhere that teachers often have close measurements but I can't think where that was. (update: I found it in the Genotype Book page 142- "with torsos and legs of about equal length"). All my measurements were very close.
Also, one of the real clues I had was the 6 whorls on my fingerprints.

I found that once I started eating brie cheese and particularly cambozola I stopped having yeast-like symptoms, almost right away.

Wouldn't it make your life easier if both you and your wife turned out to be Teachers?? Ironically, if you incorrectly thought you were an A, you probably would have turned out to be a Teacher........2 wrongs can make a right!

ABNoWay, you are on a roll, now!


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So I guess I'm not the only dull knife in the drawer, eh?

Gillian, your post made me laugh.  2 wrongs do make a right.  hehehehhehe.  Yeah, it would be pretty cool if both my wife and I and would streamline things.  I have like 9 whorls.  Yep, only 1 arch.

Mr's T, I gotta take a picture.  I'll wear it this week again.  I have been wearing it to work on a regular basis though!!!  And yeah, I'll probably do what you said.  Stick to the cross referenced good foods, avoid the avoids on both and start adding in the other teacher foods that I couldn't have before slowly.


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It would be possible to be a warrior if I'm wrong on my fingers.(actually according to the book no, but according to the website, yes.  So I'm kind of confused about that too.)  But I don't think I am wrong on the fingers. It seems pretty evident that my ring fingers are longer on both hands.


My ring fingers are longer on both hands too,   The Teachers are supposed to have ring finger longer on one hand but reversed on the other hand.  Mine are the same. But "physically" comparing you to Dr. D who is a Warrior too, who, I've met, over 6' (somewhere over there, I was looking up at him lol) (did you meet him?) I would say Teacher. The diets are very similar but the Teacher diet has more cheese..(sigh).  
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It may be so if you're an A.  If you're an AB it's different.  The genotype calculater says Teacher if both my ring fingers are longer.  Which I'm almost 99.99 sure they are.  It says warrior if their switched for me.  It must be opposite with A's.  Plus, your torso and leg measurements may be different than mine.


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Well, I agree, I think you're a Teacher also..you look like an actual teacher.   I sense teacherness in the force...
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Well, it seems right, it seems to fit, but I'll be darned if I'm not skeptical now.


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Remember that you can also take into account your particular health issues.  If they would be better treated with one diet over another and you are otherwise confused, you should follow the diet that best fits your health history.  They consider this at Dr. D's clinic.


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Here's my two cents worth AB brother (& sounding more and more like a geno brother as well):

I'd not only encourage you to switch to the Teacher diet, but I would also encourage you to NOT play it cautious by eating only items that are fine for both geno groups.

If you play it in the middle of the road and stick to only things that are fine for both the Teacher and Nomad you won't necessarily get enough of either one to be able to make a decision. I am afraid that if you don't fully commit to the Teacher diet you're not really giving it a fair shake to give you the good results you are looking for to confirm your genotype. Even if you should happen to get negative results they would be better than negligible iffy type results that will still leave you wondering. Those differences in the six geno diets are there for reasons...what they do and do not do.
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Another suggestion I have for you: since weight loss is not something you desire, stick mostly to the Superfoods instead of the Superfoods with Diamonds. I would think that should play down the weight loss effect since they are specifically sited as being good for weight loss and muscle building (which would help burn even more fat).
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What Chanur said.   Nice posts.
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Chanur.  I hear you.  My doctors office confirmed that they will help me with the measurements to make sure.  Well, as sure as we can be I guess.  Another set of eyes is always good.  The only thing I kind of disagree with is if you start eating foods that are completely new to you, too many too fast, it could be trouble.  But there are definitely things I know I can add and not be too concerned.  If I confirm as a Teacher, believe me, I'll be all for it.  That's the way I am.  For now, I'm committed to it, but I'm still going to add slowly the things that are avoids on the Nomad diet.  And probably if they are avoids on the AB I'll take it slow too.  But slow and steady is sometimes better than fast and furious.  I like to feel out how things are going down.


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ABNW: You have such intersting(cool!) fingerprints. Mine are pretty boring. I have 7 ulnar loops & 3 others(I can barely tell-they look like whorls & one looks off-center).
At the state fair, I think they fingerprint kids for ID. I hope they can fingerprint me. I bet those troopers know about genetic connections, but don't broadcast it.
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ABNoWay: I think all of us here felt that way to some degree or other when we saw how much some of our diets were going to change when comparing whatever bloodtype diet foods we were used to vs. our new geno lists...especially those of us who had been on the bloodtype diet for several years.

Suddenly staring what had been major avoids in the face as not only a changed rating, but to that of a superfood or super diamond or beneficials that did a 180 and became outright avoids can take a little getting used to. I must admit, I'm still very wary of chicken, even as a black dot, after avoiding it like the plague for 5 years.

That said, I still think jumping in with both feet and full speed ahead is the way to go. I realize that each of us must go at his or her own rate though...and too much stressing about should I eat X or should I not eat X can be detrimental, too.

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