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ruthiegirl
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Hi Brett, no I think the culprit has something to go with sugar rather than grains or wheat. When I was vegan I was eating a lot of biscuits, (ie: cookies), not so much for the wheat but for the sugar. I'm trying to eat sugar free now, basing my diet on the Gatherer one but not quite because I'm still using a little sucralose as a sweetner, and that's a forbidden. I can't eat any fruit or fructose because it upsets my digestion, so I can't use anything fruit derived as a sweetener. As a Gatherer, it would seem sugar, in all its guises, is the thing I crave. Maybe I felt I enjoyed veganism because it's a sugar/carb fest - you revel in huge amounts of carbs and minimal amounts of everything else.


I'm sorry you had such a rough time with the fibroids, and aren't able to have children. (((HUGS)))

Personally, I've found that I do best on a low-carb diet. I can handle the carbs from veggies without problems, and I also do OK with the carbs from beans and (in small quantities) whole compliant grains. My SWAMI only gives me 1/2 cup of fruit daily, and I don't even have it every day. It's hard to find a time of day when it doens't upset my blood sugar.

I mostly just avoid sweets. I don't use any sweeteners in my green tea, although I do use a little bit of lemon, lime, or grapefruit juice. I'm not sure if you could handle that right now with your GI issues. I can taste the sweetness in lemon juice now- a food that I used to think was only "sour" when I was younger.

I have to wonder how much the sucralose may be affecting your digestion. You won't know until you stop using it altogether. But if you need to take things slow, and make changes in baby steps, that's OK too.


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I've found my digestion is fine if I avoid all fruits, including lemon juice and am careful with raw vegetables, limiting them to a tiny amount and eating most veggies cooked.

The sucralose doesn't seem to affect me, although I don't know it's doing long term; I don't like the idea of eating something 'unnatural'. But the problem with ordinary sugar is that I find it addictive. If I taste it, I want more and the fake sugars don't seem to do that to me. I wish I could live a life free of sweetness, which is what the Gatherer diet seems to advocate but it's very hard!
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Stevia might be a healthier choice than the sucralose. The best thing, of course, is to enjoy the natural sweetness of things without adding any kind of sweetener at all.

Even if you're not ready to totally give up on the sucralose yet, you should work on cutting down. You shouldn't need a sweetener in every single cup of tea you drink.


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I have to wonder how much the sucralose may be affecting your digestion. You won't know until you stop using it altogether. But if you need to take things slow, and make changes in baby steps, that's OK too.


In the handout we got on FODMAPS and fructose malabsorption from Seattle Children's, upon my son's diagnosis, was sucralose, aspartame and the sugar alcohols are all bad from a FODMAP perspective. Stevia is okay, though, as long as it's not mixed with something else like inulin, chicory, etc.




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My swami gives me honey as a superfood.  For some reason, I find just a touch of it does the trick.  And I did do vegetable glycerin in hot drinks and like the flavor of it also.   I can't remember if you did a swami?
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I want to clarify my previous entry regarding eggs:  I was frying the eggs and had to drop that, that was very bad for my gallbladder.  I now eat only hardboiled eggs, usually one per day.  I'm still not achieving my RDA for protein, but am managing to stay standing despite being a BTO vegetarian.  I would not even attempt to become a BTO vegan.  
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Whether one does well with vegan or vegetarian diet, depends on different factors such as foods used, and how their individual system/physiology is working, how much toxicity has built up in the body, the balance of their calories in terms of fats/carb and proteins (from green and veggies).
Dr Douglas Graham has helped many who do poorly start to thrive on plants only.
Many, such as myself relied too much on fats/seeds to replace the dense meats/dairy and this can be dangerous as fats in nuts/tahini/olives/oils etc and add up much more than the 10% fats required for good health, as the fats can affect organs/glands and then lead to insulin resistance, and the person giving up on plant diet as they may feel unwell.
Plus there is a big difference between cooked and raw vegan diets.
This morning, I had 7 bananas, 9 dates and some raw carob powder most blended, plus 2 more bananas as first meal after exercise in park, my energy is much better than usual and I doubt I'll have any cravings as I used to when I relied more on nuts/seeds or eggs which caused probs with my liver, etc.
This afternoon I will have just grapes as late lunch - yum.
Tonight will have a fresh strawberry/kiwi/pineapple juice followed by a large green salad with fresh tomato/cucumbers and topped with home made dressing of blended raspberry / celery, plus a few pine nuts as my whole food source of fat for the day. I am sure in time I will see an improvement of my insulin function now that I understand how excessive fats can lead to blood sugar problems and resulting fatigue. and beware of the coconut products which although are plant fats are still high in fat and can imbalance some people and one's metabolism.
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Oh, I am more 'hunter' GT, type O.
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oh, aussielady, that's a theory I cannot believe in….fats cause insulin spikes? I'm pretty sure it's the opposite…all that fructose sounds like trouble if it's insulin you're worried about.  
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I haven't read the whole thread, but I would assume that the gatherer would tolerate veganism better as hunters are the huge meat eaters.


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I am wondering if the Hunter's or the Gatherer's can survive vegan/vegetariansim longer?

I don't think there is a real answer.

Any O's love being vegetarians?

Answer:  Neither of the above.  Trick question!


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I haven't read the whole thread, but I would assume that the gatherer would tolerate veganism better as hunters are the huge meat eaters.

  Not this Gatherer!  Step back from my turkey, baby!


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AussieLady:  Good point about the raw vegetarianism.  I have done well on salads, raw fruits, soaked raw nuts, and raw sprouted beans and seeds.  However, I did know someone who lost too much weight and had low energy from raw vegetarianism, so it isn't for everybody.  I looked back at my research notes for myself, and I'm getting most of my protein from protein powders, eggs, and superfood cheeses I make myself out of raw milk.  I have to drive from Citrus Heights to Sacramento to buy the Quark and Paneer cheeses.  I have not found the Romanian Urda anywhere at a non-online store.  

I am not familiar with other BTO genotypes other than my own Gatherer.  However, since a vegan would not eat eggs and or/dairy, I do not know how/where that BTO would get his/her protein from.  
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I am wondering if the Hunter's or the Gatherer's can survive vegan/vegetariansim longer?

I don't think there is a real answer.

Any O's love being vegetarians?


I think the survival is based more on careful research for obtaining nutrients from superfoods and neutrals for that genotype and then following up on this.  Also, of course, avoiding toxins.  I have also done well with raw vegetarian (although some people don't do well on this).  

I don't love being a BTO vegetarian -- it's more determination than anything else.    

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Can an O be a Teacher?  If so, then I just met an O/Teacher who has been thriving for years without meat and only eats fish occasionally.  She is now moving more and more toward raw.  I can't get how she is getting enough protein, but this gal is gorgeous, bright, healthy, and full of energy.  She does believe in and follow the BTD loosely--no dairy, grains, tofu.  And she is interested in knowing more about genotype so I will provide info for her.  (The Teacher diagnosis is mine.  I may be right, I may not.)  

So, to answer the question--I would say this possible Teacher is doing well with veggie/vegan.
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An O cannot be a teacher, but since she eats fish, she may be getting enough animal protein.
We are not cookie cutter folks, so she may be getting what she needs for now.


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Can an O be a Teacher?  If so, then I just met an O/Teacher who has been thriving for years without meat and only eats fish occasionally.  She is now moving more and more toward raw.  I can't get how she is getting enough protein, but this gal is gorgeous, bright, healthy, and full of energy.  She does believe in and follow the BTD loosely--no dairy, grains, tofu.  And she is interested in knowing more about genotype so I will provide info for her.  (The Teacher diagnosis is mine.  I may be right, I may not.)  

So, to answer the question--I would say this possible Teacher is doing well with veggie/vegan.

Is she SURE she's not an A?


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Can an O be a Teacher?    (The Teacher diagnosis is mine.  I may be right, I may not.)  

So, to answer the question--I would say this possible Teacher is doing well with veggie/vegan.


If the Teacher diagnosis is yours, know that you guessed incorrectly.  If this person is definitely
type O, consider Hunter, Gatherer or Explorer....the only genotypes an O could be.  Teachers can never be blood type O.



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If the Teacher diagnosis is yours, know that you guessed incorrectly.  If this person is definitely
type O, consider Hunter, Gatherer or Explorer....the only genotypes an O could be.  Teachers can never be blood type O.



In my naivete I assumed Teacher because the tendons in her hands, wrists and arms, etc. and her fine features put mine to shame.   I don't think she could be a Gatherer.  So I guess Hunter or Explorer.  I had thought that I read somewhere that O's could be any genotype.  My bad. Anyway, whatever she is, she has been thriving on a veggie diet for many years.

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Jayneeo, you may well be right about the fructose, I seem ok with sweet juicy fruit in mornings only, or even warn stewed pear/apple/prune/fig with spices.  The raw does provide a challenge not only due to the food, or raw element, but there are so many other factors which can affect a person, from climate, stress, lifestyle, lack of suitable exercise.  This is also why Ayurvedic doctors warn some body-mind types away from raw diets, due to the problems and imbalances which occur in the physiology including with one's emotional/mental health.  I know that juicy fruit like papaya, dark grapes, perssimon work well right now.  A raw veggie juice around 11am also fine for me, so are soaked nuts, or macadamia due to their heavy oily quality. The veg like cabbage and cauli esp if eaten raw are very imbalancing for me as is lettuce esp if eaten at night. Good point about protein ElaineP, I can't eat eggs and don't like them much as cause problems with my liver/gall and pancreas and elimination, most dairy also not easy apart from ghee and maybe warm dairy milk heated and served with spices as the Ayurvedic doctor would prescribe esp if one is weak or shows imbalance. Yoghurt and cheese don't work well with my system at all these days, I do add certain seeds to a smoothie or over meals, but the thing is that I also find red meat way too hard and imbalancing for me, both Ayurvedic drs and TCM advise against red meat for certain people depending on their own individual system and how the organs are working.
A little fish or chicken works for me but only at lunch, this shows the level of weakness in my neuro-endocrine system which ultimately governs digestion. I still hope to achieve a goal of moving to a quiet relaxing rural or country location one day, as city life not great for some of us O's, GT 'hunter' who is not as healthy or vital these days. Dr Doug Graham's 80 10 10 Diet would maybe work for a healthy vital Explorer with strong digestive function, I don't know - it's a bit of a mystery for me right now. I even think I'd do ok with a fruitarian diet, so long as I lived in a warm climate all the time, and could take it easy in a nice environment with wonderful people around. thanks for great comments!
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I do know of many who do fine with protein from raw vegan, as protein is in all fruit and veg, nuts/seeds, provided one eats enough and maybe varies their diet with some blended/extracted meals, and digests their food well.
Not always necessary for superfood powders or green powders, most people get way too much protein which is acidic and some think contributes to many diseases.
I was not worried about the protein, it is more about the balance in physiology as veg and esp raw veg is very drying to my system, including neuro-endocrine ie glands.
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In my naivete I assumed Teacher because the tendons in her hands, wrists and arms, etc. and her fine features put mine to shame.   I don't think she could be a Gatherer.  So I guess Hunter or Explorer.  I had thought that I read somewhere that O's could be any genotype.  My bad. Anyway, whatever she is, she has been thriving on a veggie diet for many years.



Your description makes her sound like a Hunter.  An Explorer might be left handed, be allergic
to many foods and airborne inhalants, and likely to have different fingerprints on each hand...
An Explorer isn't symmetrically built. The protein she gets from fish might meet her needs.Nuts,
seeds, beans and other plant protein foods are still foods Hunters would be able to eat. Glad she's
thriving on her diet.  She might have good genes...Many people change their diets and look for solutions when they're not thriving...so fortunately, her diet is working for her!~


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