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Paula 0+
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Can a type O+sec turn out to be an explorer?  I am pretty sure that I am a hunter.  I have strong indicators that I could be an explorer, or I share many of the traits.  But I an neither a nonnie
or rh negative.  Is it possible?  Thanks in advance.
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Explorers must be either Rh- or nonsecretors or both.
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http://4yourtype.com/explorer.asp

gt info has been kicked up a notch for all in the monographs

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'Responder Type'
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Can Be Any
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Explorers must be either Rh- or nonsecretors or both.


I understand that "Explorer must be either
Rh- or nonsecretors or both, but my best friend is type O+ and has a muscular body type (mesomorph) and her head shape is brachycephalic. She also has high waist-to-hip ratio. What I don't understand that her measurments showed Gatherer. Her thumb and middle finger touch. Her arms and legs don't look padded to me because of muscular only her tummy is overweight. Her secretor state is unknown. Any ideas? thanks,Laurie


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get all her tests done first....then strength test.


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high waist to hip ratio means larger hips? (both hip to waist ratios are found in gatherers) My legs don't look padded but my tummy does...I'm a gatherer.
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I'm 5'6", 120 pounds, ectomorphic, never been overweight, don't look padded and I'm a Gatherer.  Not everyone fits the stereotype!  Go with the measurements...


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Jayneeo, my friends hip smaller than her waist.



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Quoted from Caddy57
Explorers must be either Rh- or nonsecretors or both.


I understand that "Explorer must be either
Rh- or nonsecretors or both, but my best friend is type O+ and has a muscular body type (mesomorph) and her head shape is brachycephalic. She also has high waist-to-hip ratio. What I don't understand that her measurments showed Gatherer. Her thumb and middle finger touch. Her arms and legs don't look padded to me because of muscular only her tummy is overweight. Her secretor state is unknown. Any ideas? thanks,Laurie


mesomorphs are shaped like hour glasses not big in the middle. That's endomorph.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesomorph  
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If a person is Rh- and a nonsecretor, with a torso that is longer than their legs (also Type A) does that guarantee that they are an Explorer?


It is so pleasant to explore nature & oneself at the same time, doing violence neither to her nor to one's own spirit, but bringing both into balance in gentle, mutual interaction.

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Quoted from zola
If a person is Rh- and a nonsecretor, with a torso that is longer than their legs (also Type A) does that guarantee that they are an Explorer?


No, it does not. The finger lengths (D2 : D4) could make that person a Teacher. In one or two cases sex is also a criteria.
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mesomorphs are shaped like hour glasses not big in the middle. That's endomorph.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesomorph  


Overweight Meso's get big in the middle.  
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Quoted from Lloyd


Overweight Meso's get big in the middle.  


aw yes... the beer belly after the football career has ended.
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An O+ secretor can only be a Hunter or a Gatherer not an Explorer.  The other 3 categories of O ( O+ non, O- non, O- sec) can be either Hunter ,Gatherer , or Explorer


I am B- NON-Sec Explorer; my son is B+ SEC Nomad; my Mother was O+; and my Father was AB-
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Revised from Arlene B- NonSec to RedLilac on 3/31/06
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Speaking of Explorer, my daughter, who is the reason that I bought ER4YT is O-, and has many medical issues. Asthms is the main one.  

Our house has all tile and hardwood floors. We cannot have pets and she can't go into people's houses who have pets. It's like borderline special needs child.

We had her tested for all allergies. None, yet she breaks out and swells and turns red, burning eyes & stuff around pets or in a house with carpet.  We let her spend the night with a friend who had dogs and she ended up in ICU for one week.  

She had to repeat the 1st grade because she is always sick.  

She is very unique and I was sure she was an AB so until I could have her blood tested I gave her some AB beneficials and removed bananas and orange juice.  She made some improvement but I still wasn't satisfied.  

Two weeks ago I took her to the doctor and found out that she is O-.  So I went out and bought lots of new foods and discussed the O diet with her and my son who is also O but +

He has no medical issues.  

These new foods including a reintroduction to bananas seemed to increase her asthma attacks but helped my son's attitude.

I got curious again.  I open the GTD book and look through some of the other genotypes (I've never read any other types besides Nomad & teacher).  I've now figured out that my daughter is an explorer. This explains a lot.  

She is a mesomorph, she randomly breaks out in patches with no rhyme or reason, she instinctively asks to sleep with a hot water bottle that she puts on her tummy, she does not like beef, her ring fingers are longer than her index fingers, her torso is the same length as her legs, she is ambidextrious, She's also a very inexpensive kid to buy for because she makes all of her own stuff to play with.

Give her a box and a roll of duct tape and she will be busy for hours.  My husband has stated "we've spent more on our son, is this fair?"  I said, "she doesn't like pre made toys. She creates stuff everyday" Our house is full of her inventions.

And... she is very accident prone. It was becoming an issue in our family until we had a serious talk with her. Lots of breaking and mess making. I just chalked it up to being artsy but I can see now that it is also inventive.    

Our son however is not like this. He must have the latest stealth mission games on Xbox.  

I knew this post would end up like a blog. lol   but I just can't thank Dr. D enough for this insight. I would never have figured this out.  The explorer diet is very similar to the AB info. except for peanut stuff and eggs which I was giving my daughter.  

I've been giving her a lot of eggs and they are avoids for explorers. This explorer list is by far the worst list for the types of foods that we have as staples in our house.  Who ever heard of half of these foods and where to get them no less.

An O diet would really mess her up yet she is an O. This is really pulling me over to GTD.  
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I put Elizabeth (5 yo) on the Explorer diet a couple of weeks ago.  Reading Stefina's thread above really reminds me of Elizabeth.  Elizabeth has only asked for the hot water bottle once.  She hasn't had a single headache or stomach ache.  They used to be nearly daily.  She's perky and a little less moody.  When I go tell her to pick up her room, she bows to the floor--literally--and says, "Yes, your majesty.  Thy will be done.  Your servant will obey your every wish."   "Hey, I like you on this diet," I say.  She sweeps her pink, frilly, lacy, fru-fru dress up into a curtsy, plastic crown falling to the floor, flutters her eyelashes, sighs dramatically, and cleans up her room.  Normally I would get "But Maaaaaa.....Oooookay," and it would take her a loooong time.

She hates cilantro and will only eat parsley. (Which is really funny--I can't tell a difference between them except cilantro is stronger.) She's not happy about giving up cauliflower, as that's her favorite veggie.  But I keep telling her, "If you'll trust me when I tell you to eat something, it may heal your body and you'll be able to have gluten and cheese again in 3 months."  So she'll eat it with that promise.

I baked her two quail today.  Ethan ate one of them and called them "baby chickens."  Elizabeth said they tasted like chicken, which she hasn't eaten in two years, but she still remembers it.  She was pleased.


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adorable!!
you are quite a mom!


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Soo.....do you think she really might be an Explorer?


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Soo.....do you think she really might be an Explorer?
I don't think there's much that can go wrong in determining an Explorer GT. If she is rh- (I see that she is), a non-secretor, and fits the finger length profile for a female, that's all that's required, if I recall correctly. Not to say that secretors or rh+ can't also be Explorers, but the negative factors together with the finger measurements seal the deal, at least that's how it worked for me on the online GT calculator after playing around with it a bit.



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Actually she's Rh+, but we do believe her to be a nonnie.  I'll check her finger lengths, but I don't know that it will really be accurate since she's obviously no way near being done growing.


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I was going to post a new thread until I read this.  My question is can you test kids for their GTD?  
I have two children who have confused me for many years on BTD.  My oldest, and (what use to be) my youngest.
DJ, is 11 and is a type O.  Israel is 5 and she's a type A.  Neither seem to fall into that category with the exception of energy.  DJ has the high energy of an O and Israel seems to wear out more easily than my other O children.
Israel made the statement a few weeks ago, "I wish I was an O!"
"Why?" I asked.
"Because, you get to eat beef.  I LOVE beef!"  She's only 5 people... yes, she's an incredible handful.
And DJ, although an O, has always leaned towards stuff like, chicken, rice, and grains of all sorts.  He had me so confused that after a couple of years on BTD I actually retested him!  So now I'm looking at GTD.  Can I test them or do I just have to guess?  That seems a little unscientific to me.
Also, out of my four children who eat people food, those two are the least healthiest.  When they get sick they get it really bad, and they will usually start the outbreak of a cold in our house.  Israel takes forever to get over a cold and DJ seems to catch it no matter how many supplements he takes.  It's like their immune systems are weak.  And DJ was 2 when we started BTD and it's all Israel has ever known.  Would very much like to know if GTD could help them.
My other two children eat EXACTLY as I do.  They would much prefer steak and sweet potatoes for breakfast than a bowl of oatmeal!

Leanne!
PS. Also, if Israel gets a cut or some kind of wound it takes a very long time for it to heal.  


My husband Daniel A+ Teacher, me O+ Hunter, DJ O+ Hunter, Abiail O+ Gatherer, Nathaniel O+ Hunter, Israel A+ Teacher, Esther O+ Gatherer, Levi O+ Hunter.
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get their secretor status checked, and do the measurements.....

the digit ratios might probably already be fixed.....and their GTs easy to detect.
let us know...


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I simply dont know this about GTD kids.
When the GTD came out I measured my then 13,5 years daughter
- and she came out like a gatherer and my thoughts was   what !
I would have said either explorer ( she is pretty weird and strong like me ) or hunter She is slim - BUT now way G.
Well Emma happens to grow a lot - and so did her fingers- and now I almost 100% sure she is a hunter and that profile fits her sooo much better.- I really couldntsee my daughter as a typical gatherer- se more seemed to be a exploring hunter


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Actually she's Rh+, but we do believe her to be a nonnie.  I'll check her finger lengths, but I don't know that it will really be accurate since she's obviously no way near being done growing.
oops, guess I mistook your dashes to be negatives in your signature. For finger lengths, it is the ratio that's important, not the actual length, so I assumed that the growth rate would be consistent on all fingers. Maybe not a good assumption.


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Quoted from teri
. For finger lengths, it is the ratio that's important, not the actual length, so I assumed that the growth rate would be consistent on all fingers. Maybe not a good assumption.


well not on Emmas  


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I don't know either, Teri.  We'll just have to wait on Dr. D to tell us what to do.  But I'm not leaving Elizabeth on the AB nonnie diet.  She did much better than before, but it still wasn't quite right.  I'm willing to experiment and see what works best.  So far the Explorer diet is fitting her nicely.

Leanne, I realize how frustrating it can be.  Have you tried reading through the descriptions and combining that with the food sensitivities you know they already have and see what your best GT guess could be?

When we all got colds a couple of weeks ago I was so proud of their immune systems.  Elizabeth only had a stuffy nose for 2 days, Ethan's nose ran for 1 day, and Julia was sniffly for only a few hours.  How's that for a cold?  Isn't that fantastic?


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For finger lengths, it is the ratio that's important, not the actual length, so I assumed that the growth rate would be consistent on all fingers. Maybe not a good assumption.
Maybe my assumption's ok after all. I decided to look it up and found this...

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"Digit length is fixed in utero and relative digit lengths remains constant through development and is constant across ethnicities"

from this Dr.'s website ... Dr. Mark Brosnan
Interesting, but I guess it still doesn't mean a child's GT can be accurately determined, unless maybe they are both non-secretor and rh- (like me), then maybe only the finger lengths are needed to point to the right GT. At least that's how it was for me when I played around with the finger lengths on the GT calculator. Other body measurements didn't make a difference. Maybe this ony happens to Explorers.

Dr. Brosnan also says this...

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"Digit ratio is significantly different between those with children and those without children"

Interesting too, but what does it mean? Is it pre-determined that someone will not likely have children? Or is it that someone within a specified digit ratio range will more often choose not to? hmmm. In my case, I've had two miscarriages and no children. So, I physchologically made the choice to have children but physiologically it wasn't meant to be. Guess I am not one of the "significantly different", at least as far as this study goes.


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good points!
teri,
as you, I had mentioned something along those lines on page 1
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1215873240/s-0/#num21


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Wow!  Is there a particular genotype that has fertility issues?  I know Dr. D says Warriors may have trouble later on.  What about the others.  Maybe that's part of the answer to finger lengths and infertility.

I didn't measure DD's fingers, but just looking at them one hand looks pretty  much even and on the other hand her ring finger is a good bit longer.


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Leanne: Maybe you can allow your 5-yr. old an occasioanl sliver of beef. It may keep her satisfied so she won't binge when she's an adult. Ostrich is extremely expensive, but maybe you can get some just for her. If you season it, it tastes close enough to beef to maybe take care of that craving.
If you mix beef with rice or something else, will that satisfy her to get a little taste, or is she like me, a gourmand & needs a lot to feel satisfied?

Also, didn't Dr. D say that to wait till age 12 or so to do GTD. Remember, that we all have individual 'allergies' or intolerances. It's hard to figure it all out.
BTW, how's the baby?  I nursed such a long time, was exhausted & sleep deprived, but I know I did the right thing. It's the only time a human can have close to the perfect diet!

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