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Stefina
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So I've been suffering from Acne & bacne for over 15 years. Sometimes it's mild and sometimes it's strong. I've always considered it superficial to care about it but now I'm really fed up with it.  

I'm wondering if it is caused by the few Nomad avoids that are still in my BTD that I've always consumed my whole life.  Since I've been adding more Nomad supers and diamonds I have more clarity and have come to this semi-conclusion.  

These are the few avoids that are o.k. (neutral) for BTD but avoid for Nomad:

Chocolate
Sugar
white flour
cow milk (skim or 1/2%)
coffee

The acne did not improve or change when I took milk out of my diet a few years ago and it has been with me way before I started coffee.  

So I've eliminated them as offenders for now.

Does anyone else know a lot about acne?  I know this is internal and not surface or topical?  Been there done that.
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I've never had much experience with Acne, but pushing waste through the skin is one way the body gets rid of it.  Eliminating as much avoid intake as possible and letting the body remove any stored waste may be necessary to completely heal the skin.

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How about sunshine & Vitamin A?
That's what got rid of those bumps I had on the back of my arms from my teens to my 20s. It's amazing how important the sun is. You live in Texas, a hot & sunny place, but most folks stay in the freezing A/C which isn't healthy.
Eat lightly if you can & try fasting to speed up the process. You'll feel worse at first, but get better.
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I have bacne, the two things that get rid of it are: Elliminating processed foods (The diet) and a good soap.  The ones I use that work are glycerine soap or burt's tomatoe soap.  They always come back though if I don't stay on track.
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check out the thread entitled
"Ribbit  goes raw"... we've been discussing this very subject!
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I always had luck by going in the ocean. I know this isn't always available so I don't know why I'm bringing this up. I put some of the nasaline mixture on my face. Before I used it of course. I thought it might act like seawater. OK you can stop laughing now...Aani


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Quoted from Mrs T O+
How about sunshine & Vitamin A?
That's what got rid of those bumps I had on the back of my arms from my teens to my 20s. It's amazing how important the sun is. You live in Texas, a hot & sunny place, but most folks stay in the freezing A/C which isn't healthy.
Eat lightly if you can & try fasting to speed up the process. You'll feel worse at first, but get better.
Sea Salt & Light,
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Thanks T.  yes fasting does seem to help which tells me it's internal.  

I get lots of sun and always have. The sun helps but it's a temporary fix. No freezing A/C here which is funny because my dad owns an A/C company.   
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Everyone has great suggestions.  I'll go over the the ribbit/raw section and check out Andrea's link.  

Thanks to those who posted!  
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Quoted from +Aan
I always had luck by going in the ocean. I know this isn't always available so I don't know why I'm bringing this up. I put some of the nasaline mixture on my face. Before I used it of course. I thought it might act like seawater. OK you can stop laughing now...Aani


If ocean water seems to help, why wouldn't a little sea salt/water mixture? as strong as the ocean water...you know.really salty.   Makes sense to me. Hey.........are you guys laughing at me too.  



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My skin was always better as a teenager when we were at the beach until I put sunscreen on.  Then it would be terrible!


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would def. go for a longer intake of MSM internally and as a cream
on top. dito try some essential oils like lavender & geranium   even
some ylang-ylang...


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Like rub essential oil directly on a bump?  Or do you mean using them internally?


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I've done everything externally that a person can do, now I'm going in.  I'm thinking of doing Dr.D's female balancing protocol from the encyclopedia. I think it may be hormonal?  Not sure.  

The degree of acne is directly related to my monthly cycle.  
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I'm sure it is hormonal. Also make sure you're eating enough protein...Aani


Listen, this is what I think: I think we can't go around measuring our goodness by what we don't do, by what we deny ourselves, what we resist, and who we exclude. I think we've got to measure goodness by what we embrace, what we create, and who we include. Pere Henri (Chocolat)
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Try a blue light I use Tanda on my break outs and they clear up quicker than anything I have ever tried.  I would recommend a larger system some of them come in as large as 8x10.  Better than the sun.  


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I'm sure it is hormonal. Also make sure you're eating enough protein...Aani



I will increase my protein. Good point.  
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Quoted from lblackbu
Try a blue light I use Tanda on my break outs and they clear up quicker than anything I have ever tried.  I would recommend a larger system some of them come in as large as 8x10.  Better than the sun.  



I'll look into this.
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I am just starting my second week of the BTD and my skin cleared up 90% the second day on the diet when I cut out my negative foods and started eating more dairy.

I am not great about eating veggies so the advice for getting a lot of protein probably relates to my love for red meat and dairy.


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OneHorseFarms, welcome to the forums!  That's great news!  We'd love to hear more positive results as you discover them.  The BTD significantly helped me too.

The Bert's Bees Blemish Stick is fantastic.


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Any of you who know me  know that I've been working on this question for YEARS!!!  In fact, it's the whole reason I  gave the BTD a try....

Acne, for many of us,   is caused by a combination of sugars and fat.  This  can include natural sugars in fruit and can also include grains and starches that raise the glycemic load as sugars do.  I've done years of reading on this and have had  SUPERIOR  results in controlling my acne by  monitoring  my  sugars/ oils and fat intake....
So, if you are eating  food that raise your glycemic index ( fruit, sugar, wheat, grains, breads, crackers, pasta, el al)  then you must be very careful  NOT to include much oil / fat in your diet.....
On the other hand, if you are eating a lot of fats and oils (  which alone, is ok)  just don't add a lot of  foods that  raise the GI ( glycemic index)....
It's very difficult to do, really, because so many of the things we eat combine the two... but I  think if you will try this for a week or two you will see dramatic results!!   Everyone  who  has  given this a fair shot has seen HUGE results....   I hope this helps...
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I remember being on with Susan Powder ( Stop the Insanity) diet many years ago. This is a very low fat diet. I didn't lose all that much weight. My face was very clear though. I lost a lot of inches. But I also ate a whole fat-free coffee cake...Aani


Listen, this is what I think: I think we can't go around measuring our goodness by what we don't do, by what we deny ourselves, what we resist, and who we exclude. I think we've got to measure goodness by what we embrace, what we create, and who we include. Pere Henri (Chocolat)
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but you know if you eat a lot of fat as in olive oil,  good beef, nuts, lots of greens.... you get fabulous results... it's just when you add in the things that turn into sugars ( high glycemic things)   when the trouble begins...

so.. you can either go the greens, oils and fats route

OR

the  fruits, grains, sugars, greens and VERY little fats and oils...

I've gone both ways and both ways keep my face   and back  SUPER clear.... you just can't mix the two...

Makes sense,  doesn't it?  it's why so many dermatologist always said that foods don't cause acne..  but I've seen numerous articles lately  that are now confirming the high glycemic  knowledge.....    the  fats AND the glycemic index isn't as widely known..... but this is the key!
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Ribbit, the oils externally and MSM internally  


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This looks like it's got interesting information
http://holisticonline.com/Remedies/acne.htm

I'm someone who had acne issues since I can remember.  One of my sisters has the same problem and two aunts did too (but one was on my father's side and one on my mother's side).

We all have/had large pores and oily skin.  The pore-less people in my family seem to have
clear skin.  So, there is something about the large pores that seems to be a common denominator
in my little acne group.

My kids have clear skin and so does my husband and no matter what they eat, it doesn't
produce breakouts on their faces, backs or anywhere on their skin, so I'm deducting that acne has to come from something more than a good or bad diet.  

Acne is a type of bacteria.  I've tried just about everything topical and even Chinese herbal
products to no avail.  I'm 65 and my skin still will break out in any random place (my neck,
my shoulders, my back or my face) and often nothing I'm eating is setting this off.  I'm not
getting the type of acne I had when I was a kid and teenager...I'm getting one pimple in
one spot and with topical Tea Tree Oil, it goes away. BUT why it appears in the first place
is a conundrum for me.

I take probiotics (a LOT of different kinds) and pre-biotics from inulin.  I drink a lot of water,
eat a lot of greens, take MSM, sometimes olive leaf extract...don't use bad oils, don't eat
transfats and still my predisposition for acne is part of my constitution.

I hate to sound like a downer, but I think acne can be managed but not ever really completely
eliminated. I've had a lifetime to experiment and have yet to find a solution.  Yes, the dermatologists can give you meds...you can sit in the sun (although that sometimes makes me break out), you can take a lot of supplements, eat really well and still, sometimes a breakout occurs anyway.  

When you consider that topical acne preparations contain ingredients like benzoil peroxide
or types of things that deal with bacteria, the fact that they work for some people and work
on the surface, but more breakouts occur, makes me think that the deeper bacteria is somewhere in the gut.

I became gluten intolerant as an adult.  I'm wondering if I've always been gluten
intolerant but it took a lifetime of a leaky gut and gut damage to allow bad bacteria to seep
into places it didn't belong. Like on my skin....I've always wondered if I had never been given gluten foods, would my skin have not reacted to the acne bacteria..  

I would love to say that my skin is perfect on the Warrior diet or when I do food combining...but for me, (and maybe it will be different for others), I have not found a real
permanent solution for acne.




  


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I have better skin now since adding the GTD Diamonds and Supers.  It still is more at that time of the month, tho  and so are my cravings and such.  

I have not cut out my GTD avoids because I feel too deprived.  I think this may be the prob.  

There are at least 6 GTD avoids that I do consume that are either Bene or neutral on BTD B.  
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Sheri, it may seem like nobody's listening to you, but I'm still going about it.


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Thanks Chloe & Sheri,

I'll keep experimenting.
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I never heard of Bacne before what is difference between acne and bacne? I have acne for many years since I was 11 yrs old, but not serious severe ones. I had some severe ones when I was teenager and young adult.


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I never heard of Bacne before what is difference between acne and bacne? I have acne for many years since I was 11 yrs old, but not serious severe ones. I had some severe ones when I was teenager and young adult.


bacne is acne on your back or shoulder/back area.  
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I suffer from this too - always have some sort of break out on my face - little but at 38, annoying.  I think there is a strong correlation between anxiety and acne. When I was on Zoloft (very very low dose, my skin was completely clear all the time - regardless of what I ate.  
As a hunter, I am prone to anxiety if I don't work out enough - basically whatever I do that increases the anxiety, leads to break outs.

Are any of you who suffer from acne - highly strung or anxious people?
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Yeah.....that's me.  If things are perfectly quiet and I can just go about my business doing my own thing (gardening, drawing, music-ing, eating, etc.) I'm relaxed.  Get me overwhelmed with stimuli (noise, questions ["Mama, why---"  "Mama, what---"  "Mama, how---" which is fine when I've had sleep, but not when I haven't!) and I get anxious and very stressed.  I can't tie it in with skin though.  I still think mine's food and/or Candida related.


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I was a walking pimple when in my teens!!

wrong diet and all......
now at 50sh, my skin is pretty clear......
either I ve learned to deal with stress through lifestyle and diet and all......but I never get any break outs.


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It could be anxiety but since I've started the BTD that has almost gone away.  I'm with Ribbit, I think mine is candida/yeast/GTD avoids that I still consume.

choc. & sugar mostly
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You still eat chocolate and sugar?  Gee, I'm not that bad.  At least my avoids are like chick peas, black pepper and rum.  Not all together, mind you.


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I am addicted, and working through it.  Too bad there is not a rehab for the mild/insidious drugs.
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I am very interested in this thread.  I had pretty bad acne and bacne as a teen.  Now I have sons
with varying degrees of it still.  I think what Sheri said is interesting.  I also just read what suzedgar
said about zoloft.  Doesn't it sound like the gut is involved there also?  I mean zoloft affects serotonin, which is mostly produced in our guts if I am correct.  Back to the leaky gut that Chloe mentioned.  I know that I grew up eating lots of high glycemic and wheat based foods.  I did eat other good things for an O, but  the combination may have been the problem.  I remember a dermatologist I saw when I was in high school.  He wanted me to get off all types of sweet cakes, jams, doughnuts, stuff that my family ate on a regular basis.  My  mom's parents were german bakers.....It was what I thought was impossible then.....
But after several years of staying off wheat, my allergies are much improved.  So is my skin, but there are remnants of the past I can still see.  Keep up the postings of what works for you, it's very encouraging!
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