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Paulppaul
Saturday, July 5, 2008, 2:55am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi, I've been having success on the Hunter genotype and my measurements and blood type all pointed to the Hunter.  I am now having a lot of fatique lately and can barely stay awake during the day.  Although I do see some other improvements my energy is really low.  To be honest I haven't been totally compliant but about 90% and the last 2-3 days completely compliant diamonds.  

The thing is I looked back into the book, and did my strength tests and found that I scored a 23 on Nomad and a 16 on Hunter  without the PROP taster test.  I have the characteristics of a nomad more than a Hunter.  Although the Hunter is close Nomad is more like me although I'm not a B, I'm an O.  What should I trust?
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IMO, trust Dr. D's research, trust your blood type with your secretor status, and your measurements. We can all strength-test out differently.
For instance, I have a lot of Explorer traits.


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you can't be a Nomad unless you are a B or AB..too much stress can fatigue an O...have to make sure you exercise as this invigorates and at the same time reduces the stress adrenaline axis in O's.


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nomad is not an option for O's.
Are you eating lots of beef? (energy for you)
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After two years of following the type O diet (because my mother told me with such great certainty that I'm an "O"), I actually tested myself today and found out that I'm an "A".

This changes everything, including my genotype.  I'm now an "Explorer".
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After two years of following the type O diet (because my mother told me with such great certainty that I'm an "O"), I actually tested myself today and found out that I'm an "A".

This changes everything, including my genotype.  I'm now an "Explorer".


ARe you serious?



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TJ
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After two years of following the type O diet (because my mother told me with such great certainty that I'm an "O"), I actually tested myself today and found out that I'm an "A".

This changes everything, including my genotype.  I'm now an "Explorer".


Holy cow Ron!  That explains a lot I'll bet!!!   Keep us posted on your improvements, because you will surely have them now.
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Hi, I've been having success on the Hunter genotype and my measurements and blood type all pointed to the Hunter.  I am now having a lot of fatique lately and can barely stay awake during the day.  Although I do see some other improvements my energy is really low.  


saverain,
I am a hunter and experiencing something similar.  I was going back to just diamonds for a few weeks (or so I thought) to jump start a weight loss plateau I had hit, but I got very tired, even when I wake up in the morning.  

I was feeling really dragged out one day, when my gatherer husband (who has reached his goal weight), wanted to go have an ice cream cone.  I went with him and had a baby sized vanilla soft serve custard (no cone).  I perked right up - I couldn't believe it.  This led me to believe that I am not getting enough complex carbs.  I guess I have been neglecting this category lately...but there are no diamond ones.

I have also noticed that I have had a few headaches that have been relieved by putting a teaspoon of demorara (sp?) sugar into my green tea.  Years ago my naturopath muscled tested me for sugars and this was the only sugar that was okay for me.  It is a very sticky sugar, I think it still has some of the molasses in it.  I get it in Canada.

I know that these sugary things are not the long term answer, but I think that from a seasonal aspect, I have decided to eat foods that span the diamond - neutral food lists for the summer.

Tea Rose



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Holy cow Ron!  That explains a lot I'll bet!!!   Keep us posted on your improvements, because you will surely have them now.

Ditto


Im excited about having the Swami done at the TN mini conference in October.    Ive never been comfortable with the Explorer diet.  I like the BTD.  Maybe a tweaked diet just for me will answer  some questions.  


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[quote=521]After two years of following the type O diet (because my mother told me with such great certainty that I'm an "O"), I actually tested myself today and found out that I'm an "A".
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Wow!

Would your secretor status no longer be valid as well? Since they ask for your bloodtype I assumed they only test against what you tell them.






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IceBearRon, well at least now you know and can move forward. I tested my grandson and because he fiddled and fussed we got a wrong blood type of AB. When he was in the hospital though we found out he was a B...Aani  


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I have the most points for Nomad also, even tho I am an O.

Is this some kind of allergy season for you?
Do you have a personal food allergy--something that is designated for your GT, but to which you are personally allergic.  Is there some stress in your life?

I have a mild allergy this time of year & it should be ending, but since the weather has been cooler & the planting season late, I'm sure it isn't over. Then I have the stress about my aunt along with other normal stresses. I am trying to get more sun, which is good as we have a short sun season, but I know that I have to go gradually. However, there isn't enough time to go gradually. Maybe the sun has overstimulated something!

Also, as we all detox, it affects us differently!
Just some ramblings....
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ARe you serious?


Surreal and shocking as it is, especially to me, I promise you that I am totally serious.

I only did the test last night -- twice, mind you, because the first one was so unbelievable -- and both times it came up "A"... and Rh-positive, no less.

I was actually wrong about being an "Explorer", though.  I misread the charts.  As my ring fingers are slightly longer on both hands and, if I've measured my torso/leg measurements correctly, I'm a "Teacher".

I apologize for all the confusion and tumult I've possibly caused, but I've learned a very valuable lesson through all of this:  verify your sources!
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IceBear, regardless of whether you decide to follow the BTD or the GTD, I'll be interested to know how you fare. Do keep us updated.

On another note, I second (or third?) the suggestion to donate blood -- if you are eligible -- to be typed "for sure".


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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On another note, I second (or third?) the suggestion to donate blood -- if you are eligible -- to be typed "for sure".


Well, after hearing some of the horror stories about hospital and blood bank mistypings, I'm actually more inclined to trust the home kit I just used -- especially considering that it gave the same result both times.
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Would your secretor status no longer be valid as well? Since they ask for your bloodtype I assumed they only test against what you tell them.


That's my concern, too.  I just emailed them today but, since it's the weekend, It'll probably be this upcoming week sometime before I hear back with a definitive answer.
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Well, after hearing some of the horror stories about hospital and blood bank mistypings, I'm actually more inclined to trust the home kit I just used -- especially considering that it gave the same result both times.


I had to donate some blood for my own surgery many years ago; and since then I've been donating blood at various blood banks, depending on where I'm living. Every time I've come up A+, so that's where my experience comes from.

If you feel confident that the two home tests gave you your correct blood type, go with that. One thing I think we humans don't do enough of is trust ourselves and our judgment.



It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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Turns out I'm an A+ and a teacher.  The O type diet has worked for me so never took the test.  I don't know how I'm going to transition.  I'll try I guess.  I don't feel confortable with the foods listed but we'll see.    
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saverain,

That's exactly my situation... I just found out yesterday... It blew my mind.
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Yeh, I don't have many of the physical characteristics it describes for a teacher and a lot of the foods listed make my muscles ache but I'm going to stick with it and see if it works in the long run.  Just a little down about the whole thing but hopefully it'll end up good in the long run.

Do you feel like the type O diet worked well for you?

Well we both like shakespeare so that's a common teacher thing maybe?
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You too sav???

Next thing you know, I'll find out I'm a 5'10", 135 lbs. Gatherer....
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ha ha, it could happen, Drive.!
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That's 2 O's becoming A's ,good grief to say the least!

On the bright side, atleast you guys will be able to address your health issues. Please keep us updated!


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Turns out I'm an A+ and a teacher.  The O type diet has worked for me so never took the test.  I don't know how I'm going to transition.  I'll try I guess.  I don't feel confortable with the foods listed but we'll see.    


If the O diet worked for you, I would think that you are more likely to be an explorer than a teacher (But i may think wrong, very wrong).

Using your more measurements and the advanced calculator,
would a nonsecretor status make you an explorer??

If you are a teacher, I certainly hope the diet works for you-It is a lot different than the O diet.


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Maybe you can get used to ostrich(if you can afford it!) & turkey is nice. Ostrich with seasonings can pass for mild beef. I gave it to my AB husband a few times as I think beef is hurting him. He likes beef in small doses & I don't force him to go on the diet. But I try to steer him that way gently.
[You don't tell Greek men what to do!(Really he isn't as bad as many of them, but the Greek genes are there! )]
Dairy is bad for both As & Os, so that is one biggie that you don't have to change. I just know you are going to do so much better!!!!
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You too sav???

Next thing you know, I'll find out I'm a 5'10", 135 lbs. Gatherer....


Ha ha ha!! I've been thinking the same thing! Only I would be a 6'1", 152 lbs. Gatherer. In fact... got out the measuring tape yesterday just to be sure (for the 100th time)   but my lower leg is still longer than the upper so... Nomad it stands.

But I do not do as well on the Nomad plan as I did on the B secretor diet so I have decided to abandon the nomad life for now...

However, my 6'2", 150 lb. son is a Gatherer... also an O+



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Hi Ron and Soverein,
I find Teacher diet yummalicious and are ready to give you recipes already written in Teacher Master cookbook, I too am not sure if I am a Warrior with Teacher size. So I have some warrior food when I like it, and emphasize the common food in between the two diets.
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I've been thinking the same thing! Only I would be a 6'1", 152 lbs. Gatherer. In fact... got out the measuring tape yesterday just to be sure (for the 100th time)   but my lower leg is still longer than the upper so... Nomad it stands.

But I do not do as well on the Nomad plan as I did on the B secretor diet so I have decided to abandon the nomad life for now...

However, my 6'2", 150 lb. son is a Gatherer... also an O+



You have the height for the Nomad.   That's the main thing I don't fit: I'm not particularly tall or short, just slightly taller than average.  And the second thing is that I'm not muscular--definitely an ectomorph frame!
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saverain,

The O diet stopped my 21 years of IBS, but I was having all these joint pains and aches, and I was getting tightness in my arms and all over.
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You have the height for the Nomad.   That's the main thing I don't fit: I'm not particularly tall or short, just slightly taller than average.  And the second thing is that I'm not muscular--definitely an ectomorph frame!


The height is one of the only things that is in the nomad profile that seems to fit me. That and a predominence of ulnar loops. I'm small-boned, definite ectomorph, elongated rather than squarish head. And although I can display the outer facade of such... I am definitely not easy going on the inside.



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And although I can display the outer facade of such... I am definitely not easy going on the inside.


I can relate!  According to the book, the Nomad "tends to keep emotions hidden".
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Ha.  Not the one I'm married to.  He experiences a vast array of surprising emotions (and they say women are emotional!) and he wears them all on his sleeves.


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Ha ha ha!! I've been thinking the same thing! Only I would be a 6'1", 152 lbs. Gatherer. In fact... got out the measuring tape yesterday just to be sure (for the 100th time)   but my lower leg is still longer than the upper so... Nomad it stands.


Hello everyone!....  Finally got my book, and trying to decide for sure about my Nomad status....  I thought that my upper leg being longer than my lower leg was one thing that put me in the Nomad category, but that must not be the most defining characteristic.

On reviewing the advanced charts in the back of the GTD book, Nomads show up in all categories. The torso can be longer or shorter than the legs, and upper/lower legs can be either way, too. Not totally sure about my upper/lower leg measurements, I reviewed both possibilities, and narrowed it down to Explorer or Nomad. If everything else points to Nomad, can I presume that I am a secretor?? according to the chart on page 290?? I'm B- and female?

I'm usually good at puzzles, but this is a challenge!
Any help will be greatly appreciated!  


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I think your Rh- will most likely land you in the Explorer camp. There are secretors and non-secretors in both Nomads and Explorers... but I've never seen a B- as a Nomad. Not that it can't happen... but Nomads are almost always Rh+ from my understanding.


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Hi Pixelland,

can you tell us a little more about yourself. Your occupation, interests, exercise or somatype?  Are you a receptor type? The altruistic thing?  Intuition thing? Natural networker?

This knowledge has helped me greatly in reducing stress by being more aware of how I take in info.  I now have a name for this stuff.  

I could tell that Tomatilla was a Nomad before she knew because of how she writes. Her care pours through and her high activity level.

(hello Isa if you read this)
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Hello Kristin, Stefina, et al.... Thanks for trying to help!
Let's see...  a little bit more about me:

Occupation: Portrait Photographer, mostly working with small children. Lots of patience, empathy, and quick problem solving needed in addition to my artistic eye. Also physically demanding, going non-stop for 3-4 hours (used to be 8 hours!), photographing 50+ kids per morning. Most "shooters" I know are like me: somewhat "closet comedians"... rather shy until they pick up the camera and the fun side pops out. A bit of a "wall-flower" unless I know the crowd well, or I'm working. Job also requires that I be self-motivating and like working as my own boss, but I think it's more that I don't like anyone looking over my shoulder, so to speak.

A typical Cancer, I am intuitive, empathetic, sometimes moody...  read any description of my sign, and you've read about me...
Personality type: Artisan composer, ISFP

Interests: besides health and nutrition   I also enjoy gardening, birdwatching, hiking and camping...  Happy to be sitting on the side of a mountain enjoying nature. My brother, type 0, would be bored in the same location because "there's nothing to do here"..  Exactly!!!

Somatotype: Primarily mesomorhic, with a little "endo" thrown in there on my hips when I neglect diet and exercise. Very broad shoulders, very low hip/waist ratio, large bones. Small wrists and ankles.. finger touches thumb around wrist.

Exercise: Yoga and/or Pilates 3-4 times per week, plus bicycling 2-3 times per week. I build muscle easily, so most people presume that I hit the weights regularly. I don't.. for several reasons: I "bulk-up" quickly, and I don't want to look like a body-builder... Yoga challenges my mind and keeps me fluid, not "bound".

I also don't like the repetitiveness of weight training. I like variety, or I get bored easily. Unlike my Hunter S.O. who can do the same routine and same bike route week after week, I have to change it up. The yoga teachers that I prefer change their routines from class to class, and I ride a different route just about every time I go out on my bike.

I seem to fit the psychological traits of both Exp and Nomad, but not the biometric and biochemical traits.
Hands are symmetrical, both in finger length and prints. Ulnar loops on all 8 fingers, arches on the thumbs. Index longer than ring.
Probably prop-taster, but not super-taster - don't know for sure.
Some would consider me tall, though I'm not sure about the standard used here. I would consider my height average here in the US, but tall in Asia.
Head shape more elongated than square, more almond than square in the jaw line.
Metabolism: medium at best....  not the high metabolism of an Explorer...

Not sensitive to caffeine: can drink several cups and then go to bed  
Family-related questions: History of clinical depression and cancer... No diabetes, immune, or circulatory issues.

So that's the basics!... My first read-through on the genotypes placed me as a Nomad. Working through the "calculator" on the GTD website placed me as Nomad (score of 11) over Explore (, without either prop-taster or secretor status available. Looks like I might have to take the tests to be sure. Nomads are "almost always" Rh+, so there must be a few Rh- ones out there....

Soooo.... what is your intuition telling you about me? Any good clues in all of this?? Neither one lets me eat tomatos!  

Does having trouble focusing on work rather than diet tell you anything???  

Thanks!








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Hey Everyone.. I was searching for weight loss topics and came accross this thread which had a couple of things in it that I related to and have questions on.

First of all, can one loose weight eating mostly diamonds and a few of the superfoods?  I'm asking because I'm in the camp with saverin in that if I don't get some complex carbs in, I start having horrid fatigue and there are no diamonds that are complex carbs such as rice, etc.    Also I would miss out on a lot of vegies if I did only diamonds because a couple of my staples, kale and swiss chard are not diamonds.  So I'd want to keep those in.

I'd appreciate any feedback on that topic.

2nd of all Ice Bear I had to laugh with sympathy, cause my hubby (I posted on
this last year), went all his life thinking he was an A.  And when we got together I took away his beloved steak and beef and put him on chicken and fish and for two years with me, he followed the  A diet and salivated every time he watched  me devour a NY steak or some nice roast, etc.

So when the GTD came out, we ordered the blood typing kit as well.  We sat there shocked as it turns out he was an O!  He had it in  his mind from some child hood experience way back when that he was an A and all this time, he was an O!

So needless to say, I cooked a special steak dinner that night and he was so overwelmed with joy!  ha...
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First of all, can one loose weight eating mostly diamonds and a few of the superfoods?  I'm asking because I'm in the camp with saverin in that if I don't get some complex carbs in, I start having horrid fatigue and there are no diamonds that are complex carbs such as rice, etc.    Also I would miss out on a lot of vegies if I did only diamonds because a couple of my staples, kale and swiss chard are not diamonds.  So I'd want to keep those in.

I'd appreciate any feedback on that topic.



Quoted from The GenoType Diet, paraphrased in part
Foods that help the (your GenoType here) maintain their ideal weight, increase muscle mass, and decrease body fat are identified by a diamond icon. To gain the maximum benefit from your diet, they should be routinely consumed.


Why make things difficult? Make diamonds as large a part of your consumption as you can, filling out the rest with other superfoods and judicious use of neutrals. Don't make the diet out to be something it's not by imposing regulations on yourself that were never intended.

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Why make things difficult? Make diamonds as large a part of your consumption as you can, filling out the rest with other superfoods and judicious use of neutrals. Don't make the diet out to be something it's not by imposing regulations on yourself that were never intended.



Hi Lloyd.. yes I've read that paragraph you quoted and I feel it is sort of not clear.  

I'm  not trying to make it difficult at all.  I'm just asking a question.   I've read in past threads, where Lola has said several times, to eat only diamonds to loose weight and that she was doing that, and so I was thinking I should adhere to that but it left me wondering if I could add a few superfoods.  

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Hi Lloyd.. yes I've read that paragraph you quoted and I feel it is sort of not clear.

I'm  not trying to make it difficult at all.  I'm just asking a question.   I've read in past threads, where Lola has said several times, to eat only diamonds to loose weight and that she was doing that, and so I was thinking I should adhere to that but it left me wondering if I could add a few superfoods.  



I'm pretty sure that if you re-read my answer I gave you an approach that should work well for you. If you choose to replace the words 'as large a part of your consumption as you can' with 'every last bit of your consumption' then you would have a 100% diamond approach. Some people can go to 100% and others cannot. You have suggested that you cannot and there is no reason not to use other superfoods, just try to work in as many diamonds as you can.  


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important is to nourish your body right!
if no diamonds available, then simply do the best you can, and enjoy your food.
no need stressing out cause stress causes high cortisole and that only nourishes our fat cells not us!!


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haaa Stefina this is a good expression half humman/ half cartoon
the same way I feel (am )


In your case it's half human/ half smiley face  

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Thanks Lloyd and Lola... I get it now.  

And thanks for rephrasing your answer Lloyd.  I had taken it incorrectly.  
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Quoted from pixelland ~ Somatotype: Primarily mesomorhic, with a little "endo" thrown in there on my hips when I neglect diet and exercise. Very broad shoulders, very low hip/waist ratio, large bones. Small wrists and ankles.. finger touches thumb around wrist.


Is that actually possible to have small wrists and ankles but still be considered big boned?  Have wondered this most of my life.  I also have broad shoulders and wide hips with extremely small wrists and ankles and very long thin fingers.


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Quoted from pixelland ~ Somatotype: Primarily mesomorhic, with a little "endo" thrown in there on my hips when I neglect diet and exercise. Very broad shoulders, very low hip/waist ratio, large bones. Small wrists and ankles.. finger touches thumb around wrist.


Is that actually possible to have small wrists and ankles but still be considered big boned?  Have wondered this most of my life.  I also have broad shoulders and wide hips with extremely small wrists and ankles and very long thin fingers.


most people are a combo of somatypes.
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You too sav???

Next thing you know, I'll find out I'm a 5'10", 135 lbs. Gatherer....



You only weigh 135????  Dang, I thought I was light.  But I'm not totally that far off from you.  I'm 5'8" and weight 127 right now.  

And guess what, I redid my measurements again and I think I'm a teacher.  I fit the the description physically, yet there are traits that fit the Nomad too.  I'm kind of frustrated right now because I'm unsure if I should make the jump.  I looked at the strength testing and thought I was off the charts with Teacher, but then I figured out I don't have whorls, I have Ulnar loops.  It almost seems like I'm a cross between the two.  I'm almost to the point where I just want to go back on the AB diet because I'm confused.  Sweet Potatoes work, Lamb doesn't, and the list goes on and on. Meaning some of the things on the Nomad seemed to be ok that's not for teachers, but then it seems there are things I'm eating as a nomad that I shouldn't and missing things that teachers can have.  Like Peanut Butter.  I think in the end I fit the teacher more though.  I'm pretty sure I feel better eating more veggies and less meat.  I'm afraid I'm going to lose more weight if I switch though.  What a dilemma.  

Either way, I think I'll try the teacher diet for a while and see what happens.  What have I got to lose?  Besides weight.  hehehehehehehehe.  I just want to do the best thing for my body.


Ice Bear Ron, that's pretty amazing.  I was on the A diet for I think 6 mos or so.  No maybe it was a year.  I forget.  But I was an AB.  It's funny how we get something in our mind.  You must be in shock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


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ABnoway, you do have a certain Teacher-ness aura about you.  Both the Teacher and the Nomad have underactive immune systems, so there is that similarity.  I say, dive into the Teacher diet for a month and see what happens!
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Yeah, my doctor is telling me to just hit the good stuff on the AB diet until I know for sure, but I may go to a local IFHI pracitioner tomorrow night real near me.  She has the kits on hand and says she would help me be sure with the measurements.  

Funny thing is overall I feel like I have more energy and feel better, but I can tell there is still stuff going on down under if you know what I mean.

How you been?


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ABNW, eat a lb. of ghee tomorrow.  Maybe you'll gain weight.  Good grief--Mayflours was telling me not to waste away and here you are dwindling down to nothing.  You know what I'd do until you find out for sure?  I'd make a list of the beneficial foods both diets have in common and eat only those.

Stefina, I had to laugh at your half person/half cartoon deal.  DH is that way.  He's very animated when he talks and he has big facial expressions.  He has always identified with the blond guy on Scooby-Doo.  I didn't grow up watching it so I don't even know his name (or I might recognize it if you remind me).  


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Don't worry about gaining weight. Even if you are skinny, if you try to gain, the pendulum may swing the other way!
I have heard of folks trying to gain & then they need to lose. I'd rather be a little underweight.
Also, some start gaining at age 40 or some women at or after menopause.  Somehow, PTL, I missed that. So, avoiding the SAD works. I used to hear that every 10 years after 25, you lose a few percentage points of metabolism. That was stressful as I was struggling with weight--not tons, but couldn't lose. Of course, I wasn't getting enough exercise.
[I went to weigh myself just now.] I weight around 135 eating 3,000 calories a day. I'm a little over for what I should be, but hey, I'd be starving at 2,000 calories & lately my blood sugar is kicking up. I am proof of a calorie is not a calorie!!
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I don't think I get anywhere 3000 calories.  I was tracking it and I don't think I'm getting anywhere close to 2k.  But I'm not sure how to up it.  When I eat too much, I feel lousy.


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[quote=973]ABNW, eat a lb. of ghee tomorrow.  Maybe you'll gain weight.  Good grief--Mayflours was telling me not to waste away and here you are dwindling down to nothing.  You know what I'd do until you find out for sure?  I'd make a list of the beneficial foods both diets have in common and eat only those.

I didn't eat a pound of ghee yesterday, but I did eat more than normal.  I didn't lose any weight but stayed the same.  I check every morning.  Maybe I should forgo that too and just not worry about it.

I did that with the list.  And that's what I'm pretty much doing.  Except I had peanut butter the last two days which is a no no for Nomad's but Good for AB's and Teachers.  Hopefully we'll figure it out soon.  My wife was having bad stomach flare ups last night and I think some kind of stomach "thing" is going around lately and may be why I've been having the problems.  I don't know.  I just know right now I'm at the low end of the Healthy scale for my height.  The very low.  But that may be OK because I'm an ectomorph.  


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Shaggy? Ribbit?


Maybe so.  The tall blond guy with shaggy hair and slumpy shoulders.  Is his name Shaggy?


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I didn't lose any weight but stayed the same.  I check every morning.  Maybe I should forgo that too and just not worry about it.

  

I say if you feel good you shouldn't worry about what anybody else considers too thin or too fat.  I'd rather feel great than worry over what the scales say.


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that s what my son said!  lol
about the name shaggy


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ABNW, eat a lb. of ghee tomorrow.  Maybe you'll gain weight.  Good grief--Mayflours was telling me not to waste away and here you are dwindling down to nothing.  You know what I'd do until you find out for sure?  I'd make a list of the beneficial foods both diets have in common and eat only those.



L O L  I'm Italian...I must feed people.. XD
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Well, my wife says I still look good.  If I compare what I used to look like, I'm like  .  But, I have to say, overall I feel better than over the winter and that was 10 or more pounds ago.  But, I'm not completely there yet, so I still worry.


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