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TJ
Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 2:03am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Let me preface my question with a theory I have about the food lists in GTD, and see if anyone can verify this.  I don't doubt that the GTD food lists do encourage changes in genetic expression, just as stated in the book, but I wonder if all the toxins in a particular GTD program are there for that reason?  For example, every GT is limited to 1 or 2 blood types (except Explorer).  It would make sense that any food that should be avoided by those blood types should then be avoided on the GTD, even if the benefit isn't an epigenetic effect.

Ok, let me get into the specific question now.  Tomatoes are an avoid for B and AB secretors, which makes up ~80% of all Nomads.  With that in mind, it is sensible to tell Nomads to stay away from them simply because of the BTD reasons for avoiding them!  However, if you know you are a nonnie, and there are no epigenetic/methylation/acetylation reasons for avoiding tomatoes, it is reasonable that you should be fine eating them.  Am I on the right track here?

This isn't a burning, urgent question for me, since I'm still following the BTD, but I do plan on going over to the GTD in the future.  Plus, I'm just plain curious!
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You'll remain curious until the reason that tomato is a Nomad avoid is published.   While one can speculate on reasons, there are factors in the GTD that you may not anticipate. As you know, sometimes GTD reasons override BTD reasons, like mustard greens for Hunters. (Avoid becomes superfood). It goes both ways. Which is why it is difficult to 'combine' the diets, without the help of SWAMI.

If indeed there are none of the methylation et al issues and it is purely blood type, you would then seem to be correct!
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Do you have any sensitivities to tomatoes?  I have a direct digestion connection. Really bad news for me.  Tomato has the most direct negative effect on me, out of all of the avoids.  

I never knew that whole time (I had gone from processed tomato sauce to diced fresh tomatoes as my sauce thinking that I was being healthier.  

I have many questions too about the whole reasons behind each food choice and how it flips around.  I hope Dr. D writes another book about it.  
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D55, Tomatoes are not an avoid for AB secretors.


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Do you have any sensitivities to tomatoes?  I have a direct digestion connection. Really bad news for me.  Tomato has the most direct negative effect on me, out of all of the avoids.


Raw tomatoes are sometimes too much for me, but cooked, not a problem at all.  I don't like raw tomatoes anyway, so no big loss for me!

That makes sense that they are worse for you than me.  As a nonnie, I have no B antigens in my digestive tract to interact with the tomato lectin, which is where tomatoes do their worst.

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D55, Tomatoes are not an avoid for AB secretors.


Dang I was way off base then.  That makes it pretty clear that it must be an epigenetic effect at work.  Thanks!
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It should not surprise you, Drive, to know that my husband is the same way.  He doesn't like tomatoes, but if he's going to eat them, they better be cooked.  I don't know his secreter status, but right now he pretty much follows the nonnie diet.  He won't do the GTD.

As a nonnie, I have no B antigens in my digestive tract to interact with the tomato lectin, which is where tomatoes do their worst.

Wow--thanks for explaining that.  Maybe that's why I can have whole wheat.  Maybe that's why tomatoes bother me much less than the other nightshades.


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It's not the individual food; it's the combiations of the foods.

I know that Dr. D didn't advocate the Dr. Shelton food combinations, but because of them, I understand combos.
E.g., fruit should be eaten on an empty stomach. Wow! Does that ever work for me. The vitamin C is absorbed better, etc.
But to eat fruit after a meal would cause a queasy stomach &/or a coughing spell, meaning some kind of imbalance.

So, I suppose the BTD or GTD combos are similar, except the GTD affects the genes more. Maybe in the BTD, other factors are affected.... I don't know it all, but know that the diets work. I'm sure it's tough not to eat tomatoes--they are so prevalent, like potatoes, which I miss!
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Hi Drive55,

I am an Ab+ nonnie and I can agree 100% with your statement
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Raw tomatoes are sometimes too much for me, but cooked, not a problem at all.

I have digestion issues with raw tomatoes also. I can eat raw grape or cherry tomatoes and feel fine though. I also can eat any variety of cooked tomatoes. When I was younger I had a big garden and used to grow 3-4 different varieties of tomatoes. I used to eat them right off the vine. Those days are gone now, if I would do that I wouldnt feel so well.

Arlene

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My Dad used to peel all his tomatoes (or my Mom did!) when  he ate them raw. I think most canned tomatoes are peeled. Anybody notice a difference with or without the peel?


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I do feel that certain food like tomatoes feel fine even thought they are dot toxins for nomads. They are neutral for B nonies, I guess that's why they feel fine. I had a SWAMI done and thankfully there are not too many changes between nomad and B non-secretor foods. Tomatoes are now avoid on SWAMI for me, but I still eat them in small quantites without ill effect. My DH (Gatherer B Secretor) does not feels good after eating tomatoes, even though they are beneficial on SWAMI. I wonder if this is partially because he follwed BTD for 10 yrs and did not eat any tomatoes, or it is a B secretor thing.
I try to eat whatever is beneficial and neutral on BTD and SWAMI, I am not touching anything that is avoid on BTD. Eventually I hope to try some foods that are now OK on Nomad diet that were previously avoid on BTD -like coconut oil (neutral on SWAMI)


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I just love tomatoes in all variations......yuuuummmyyyy...


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Quoted from Arlene
I can eat raw grape or cherry tomatoes and feel fine though. I also can eat any variety of cooked tomatoes. When I was younger I had a big garden and used to grow 3-4 different varieties of tomatoes. I used to eat them right off the vine. Those days are gone now, if I would do that I wouldnt feel so well.

Arlene



Those small tomatoes bother me too, when raw!  It's really a shame, when I was a kid our family garden always had tomatoes.  Only Mom and Dad liked them though.  Dad would eat them just like an apple!
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Tomato peeling used to ... ... pass straight through.


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I forgot, Ribbit, are you eating tomatoes now? I'm still a scaredy cat and haven't tried them yet.

BTW, I really like your Shakespeare quote! Beef would do more than harm my wit, though, I'm afraid! If I were still eating the stuff, I think I would be witless!!
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No, no tomatoes for me for a while.  I'm on a roll.  I'll play it safe for a while (a long while), though I must say that tomatoes are my least-problematic nightshade.


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Strange, I suddenly lost my taste for tomatoes this week.  It seems to happen from time to time.  I'll want them, then got no use for them, then I'll want them again later!  I guess this is good timing: after hearing about Ribbit's success against candida on GTD, I have decided to try switching over to GTD from BTD again.
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