Hi Everyone,

Well this morning I made some green tea and I ate it with some dark almond choclate. They didn't go together very well. I ate a lot more chocolate than I anticipated as normally the coffee would fill me up straight away.
I'm still getting through the green tes but I feel theres something missing. Coffee. & I dont feel satisfied.
I need encouragement about how bad it is for hunters, so I will endeavour to look it up.
I wish I could change my breakfast habits but it's like I want comfort food first thing in the morning, instead of healthy wholesome stuff.
I think this is in relation to a friend in Croatia I spend holidays with years ago who always had a coffee(the black kind) and smoke for breakfast and also had a wonderful body.
I just need to know for Huunters is just one coffee in the morning with milk really that bad for me? Is there a way I can make up for it after, like drinking a cup of green tea or a glass of water to reverse the effects?

Quoted from angelighte

I just need to know for Huunters is just one coffee in the morning with milk really that bad for me? Is there a way I can make up for it after, like drinking a cup of green tea or a glass of water to reverse the effects?

It's a black dot, so try to live without it for a few months. The milk should be done away with regardless. Decaf is technically a neutral. There are no 'make-ups'. You have to decide how compliant you want to be, don't look for permission from others.

Marie, for this O Hunter, coffee plays havoc w/ my blood sugar and milk plays havoc w/ my respiratory system. It was hard for me to give it up on a daily basis. Just took time for me. I do indulge in an occasional coffee, but only occasionally.  I feel for ya.

You'll find a lot of us have gone through this as it's part of modern (not so good) daily life  

If you just leave it out, you'll feel the gap more...so maybe finding a replacement is the way to go.  Green tea just doesn't do it for me either no matter how much I play around with it.  

My replacement is dandelion root (yes, it does sound scary) and tastes the most like coffee that I've come across and it is good for you. (detox effect).  I buy the Healtheries brand found in Coles or Woollies in the health section (I've tried the other brands) and I use a coffee plunger as recommended.

The real test was when a couple of friends (not health conscious) came over for a cuppa and I offered what I was drinking and they said they'd try.  One had it with a dash of
milk and the other a dash of soy (you could try rice milk).  Both said that if they had not known they would have thought it coffee!

If you have rice milk you may find it slightly watery until you get used to it, but know that it is not the dandelion.

My replacement for tea is rooibos which may taste a little strong at first but it really grows on you and now I have it quite strong.  Again I buy the Healtheries brand and if you have black there is a natural vanilla one which is just lovely.

Sorry, just realised that rice milk is a black dot, so maybe after a few months a dash now and then might not hurt if you really have to have white, but I now find that black is good.

Good luck....

I have never been able to able to drink coffee, didn't agree with my stomach, but I love the smell of it brewing.

If it is as hard for you coffee drinkers to give up coffee as it has been for me to give up potato chips and black tea well now I understand   

(My user name isn't Tea Rose because of green tea, although I have come to love it.)

I bought some green rooibos today and had a cup this evening and it was very good.

Tea Rose

Marie...yes, I know it's tough giving up some of the things we love to eat and drink.  Once I figured out coffee was the main thing that was giving me headache (or triggering something else to give me the headache) it wasn't hard to say so long.  One of the first things I have not gone back on.  Dark chocolate-that's another thing.   Next time you try green tea, drop in a square of dark chocolate (I usually buy Lindt 99% dark) and a teaspoon of ghee.  It is Yummilicous.     Another good one for to try is Yerba Mate.  I like to put in the dark chocolate and ghee into this once in a while also.  If you do need a bit of sweetening, you can use agave nectar or vegetable glycerin.  Except for the sweetners, all of the mentioned ingredients are diamond foods for you which is great to help with compliancy and wellness.  Try to keep as compliant as you can with your whole food process.  If you need to snack, go ahead but with super and diamond foods.  Remember to drink plenty of water too.  And...the O/Hunter exercise.  Do what you can.   

For Hunters, it is a black dot and since you and italybound are Hunters having one 'once in a while' is alright as long as you feel okay afterwards.  
  

Hope all goes well for you.

Debra

Roasted Chicory Root is very good and tastes alot like coffee.  (It is listed under vegetables)  It can be purchased from Frontier Foods in the spice section.  It comes in bulk in a large silver pouch.  

I'd recommend Teecino if you can have barley..On the website, there's instructions on how to wean yourself off coffee in two weeks with no caffeine withdrawals.. It's gluten free by the way. I just like to drink it because it's good for me. Has a lot of potassium and soluable fiber...

The mocha flavor has caffeine from the chocolate in it..nice kick.

Quoted from Mayflowers

I'd recommend Teecino if you can have barley..On the website, there's instructions on how to wean yourself off coffee in two weeks with no caffeine withdrawals.. It's gluten free by the way. I just like to drink it because it's good for me. Has a lot of potassium and soluable fiber...

The mocha flavor has caffeine from the chocolate in it..nice kick.

I haven't found Teecino, yet, but I did discover rooibos espresso at CoffeeGiant.com  I tried it out yesterday and was thrilled.  Just had another one this afternoon using my espresso pot I put on the stove.  I do put organic sugar in it plus cream.

The tea I love is organic Tanzania black tea which is robust.  I tried very hard to like green tea and rooibos but they really did nothing for me.  Now, I have this rooibos espresso and am very happy with it!!

I used to drink 2 latte's a day and some energy drinks.  I don't drink any caffeine now, except what's in decaffeinated Green Tea.  And the very occaisional SMALL piece of chocolate.  

YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!!!

Try a piece of meat in the morning to substitute.  Big slice of turkey or something.  That would be comforting!!!!

So, is it coffee itself that's all that bad or is it the cream and sugar?
I ask because...
Occaisonally when I'm exposed to mold or a musty area my asthma will kick up.  I don't have it bad it's just uncomfortable.  There's only been a couple of times in my life that I actually felt lightheaded with it.
I heard many years ago that if you drank a cup of strong black coffee that it'll help with your asthma.  At first I just thought that it was something hot.  So I tried tea.  It didn't work.  
Coffee really does do the trick.  Naturally, I drink very little of it.  And if I'm at someone's house and they offer me coffee I'll take it black.  In fact, I get a headache if I drink it with milk and sugar.

Leanne!

Quoted from Leanne

So, is it coffee itself that's all that bad or is it the cream and sugar?
I heard many years ago that if you drank a cup of strong black coffee that it'll help with your asthma.  At first I just thought that it was something hot.  So I tried tea.  It didn't work.  Coffee really does do the trick.

sorry, it's the coffee itself that's bad.  
re: asthma and coffee......as I understand, it's the caffeine that opens the airways. I've heard you can you reg soda too, but I'd opt for coffee if it were me.

Something with stinging nettle's in it might be better for your asthma than coffee.  I don't know, but you may want to explore other options that are compliant with the diet.

Quoted from JJR

Something with stinging nettle's in it might be better for your asthma than coffee.  

what I posted about the coffee and soda is only meant as more of an emergency type thing. not an every day thing.  

Italybound, I understood what you meant about emergencies.  My husband, being an A, usually has coffee around so that's why I opt for that.
OK, so it's not the cream and sugar.  What exactly does coffee do then?  Is it a weight gainer?  Or does it lower your immune system?  

Leanne!
PS.  I take quercetin and bromelain on a daily basis but if I get exposed to mold I'll have minor issues.

Note:  The following active thread, which was posted on the board one day before this one, contains a lot of helpful information on giving up coffee:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1212001759/

Check 'er out!  

I'm not trying to be a smart alec but this phrase hit me while in bed this morning when thinking about this thread.

When the pain to remain the same becomes more than the pain to gain, they'll be a change in the game.

I doubt that helps you very much.  Sorry.  But it was in my head.  I hope you find something that does help.

I have been through a dandelion phase before - Im going to try it again + roasted chicory root if I can find it.

I am trying to have a cup of green tea a day. I just dont know why it makes me feel nauseas.......

Quoted from angelighte

I have been through a dandelion phase before - Im going to try it again + roasted chicory root if I can find it.
I am trying to have a cup of green tea a day. I just dont know why it makes me feel nauseas.......

green tea does this to me more than it doesn't. I still try to get it down but have thought seriously about getting some EGCG and using that instead. Is that what is so good about green tea or is it something else?
I have some chicory and wonder how to do the tea. It looks 'sort of' ground. Put it in a tea ball and steep for how long? Anyone know. thanks!

Well dang, I wouldn't drink it if it makes you nauseas!!!!!  There's other teas out there that are probably good for you!

try replacing it with Yerbe Matte  which has a great aroma as most coffee drinkers miss the smell of coffee.....no milk

I know that years ago Celestial Seasonings had one called Roastaroma.  I have no idea if they still make it or if it's good for you.  This was pre-BTD for me.
Leanne!
PS.  So did anyone know what coffee does to you exactly for those who aren't supposed to drink it?  Lower your immune system?  Make you gain weight?...

You have to eat something with green tea. It does the same thing to me if I drink it on an empty stomach.

I think that Yerba Mate is different. It works much better for me as a replacement for coffee and you can drink it on an empty stomach.

Leanne,

"PS.  So did anyone know what coffee does to you exactly for those who aren't supposed to drink it?  Lower your immune system?  Make you gain weight?..." (sorry i don't know how to do the quote thing)

I believe for us o-nonnies (if i remember correctly) is that it can lower the immune system, interfere with weight loss and stress the adrenals.

Mickey  

I feel your pain!

I  have given up coffe, but had some just this morning because I wasn't hungry , but wanted my ol' coffee, cream and sugar  thing.... I, too,  felt I couldn't live without this!  

Let me tell you, I  have felt SO bad all day after having had this!!!  I still miss the old feelings  of having my coffee, cream and sugar, but it does NOT make me feel good any more.    I am not a meat in the morning eater, either....  I am really liking the idea of the tea with the  square of chocolate in it.!  Might try that.

For awhile I was drinking green tea with stevia.....  nothing to eat.... then a bit of fruit  30 minutes later.... now I have dropped the stevia and am having fruit with the green tea... slowly this is becoming the "new norm"....    that's the whole key to  changing....  forming a routine.. at least with dropping something like coffee....

Coffee is a black dot for me on the GTD, but a no no on the arthritis diet.. so I doubt I'll go back to it...   cream is bad too.....  I think it's over for me....  every time I drink it I feel SO bad...

It is hard, I know..... just don't beat yourself up if you have some now and then.. just keep trying!