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suzedgar
Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 7:09pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hello all,

Well I made a trip to Dr D's clinic and UNBELIEVABLE.... I am a fabulous hunter. I am SO PLEASED!!!  I love the diet because it is so close to the O non secretor. I measured myself incorrectly.  I can go back to eating all my old goodies again and add in some dates etc!

I want to lose a few pounds...does anyone have any good tips?

The doctors at the clinic were wonderful and we are trying to reduce my stress. The first order of business is NO COFFEE!!

Yup...this time I am serious. It is yerba mate for me and green tea. I think I will have more energy and sleep better and reduce my anxiety.  I am highly strung.

I am taking Catechol and magnolia to help that so we will see how I do!  I love this diet and am so excited to do it well!
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Great news Suzedgar, I'm sure you'll do well on the Hunter plan, though I'm sorry to lose you from the Gatherer clan  


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Aren't the docs the BEST?!  I really love em'!!  
Did you see Dr. D???
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I didn't see Dr. D.  I saw the other lovely docs. They were very sweet and patient with me.  I was sipping on an enormous starbucks coffee throughout the appointment!!  That has been my latest issue and I am completely hyper. I must have asked about a thousand annoying questions. They were very patient. When I heard I was a hunter, I felt about 5 inches taller (I am short) and so so relieved. I love that diet and have not been doing very well on the Gatherer.  I have put on about 8 pounds which is not that big a deal because I was fairly slim in the first place but it is a big weight increase for me.

I am excited to get back on track - especially when it comes to solving my anxiety, high strung personality.

I had a banana this afternoon - delicious!!

I am off to do an intense ballet workout this afternoon.
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I am off to do an intense ballet workout this afternoon.


I know your thread is not about ballet or working out, but thanks for saying this...I really needed some motivation today to go do my Brazilian salsa routine...and ballet is soo lovely, too.

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No worries.....happy to have brought it up!  I thrive on a lot of exercise. I feel sooo much better afterwards.

I know that the shift will happen when I stop drinking coffee and step up my exercise as much as I can.
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Hello all,



I want to lose a few pounds...does anyone have any good tips?




Have you joined into Chloe's diamond list which she starts every week? That is very motivating, actually forcing oneself to count diamond foods on a given day, and recording it on the thread. Most of the participants are mentioning weight loss.




Eating half and exercising double.
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suzedgar,

Welcome to the Hunter's diet.  I love being a Hunter!  I have lost weight and it feels so good.

2 things that have helped me loose weight:

-  Having Diamond only days in the beginning (gave me the quick weight loss I needed in the beginning) and then Diamond and Superfoods (slower continued weight loss)

-  Going Gluten-free

As you begin to feel better using the Hunter diet, I am hoping that giving up your coffee will be a bit easier for you!  

Tea Rose  




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I didn't see Dr. D.  I saw the other lovely docs. They were very sweet and patient with me.


I am glad you enjoyed your appointment.  Let's see how lovely you think we are after you separate yourself from your starbucks...     

Dr. C.

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HA! HA! HA! that was funny Dr. C
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Let's see how lovely you think we are after you separate yourself from your starbucks...     


I'll feel her pain. I still find myself indulging in one now and again. Nothing like it used to be tho.



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Hello - I found I lost some weight eating watermelon and grapefruits.

You have inspired me to quit coffee - I still haven't been able to do that.

What is the go with wines and hunters? I still drink it......


Eat your heart out


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suzedgar
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OK Dr. C has a very good point. I may dislike everyone this morning.

I have had NO COFFEE....I repeat....NO COFFEE this morning.
I had a meeting first thing and just stared at my colleagues with a blank expression on my face.  When they asked if I was ok, I just said the words "no coffee". It was immediately understood and the meeting continued.

On a brighter note, I actually feel quite upbeat and jolly. I think that magnolia and catechol is a rather good combination.  I also slept extremely well after a dinner of beef/greens and a couple of yummy dates.  Oh my gosh, I love dates!! I worked out really hard last night.

I did a big shop yesterday to load up on Diamond and super foods.

I LOVE the Hunter diet and am walking around with my white binder, like a complete geek.  I looked like I was doing research with it, in whole foods.


Now - the yerba mate situation. Does anyone have any tips on where I can get the good stuff???  I can't cope with the leaves, so tea bags are my thing.
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Try 'black chocolate.' It's not as potent as coffee, but may give a lift.
Wanna trade GTs????
However, I am getting used to gatherer. It would be hard to quit lettuce & tomato salads, but boy do I miss the avocados, bananas, broccoli, plain rice & cheaper meat selection!!
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Can you have black tea?  When I was cutting down on coffee, (pre btd) I used black tea and I didn't miss it that much...
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I have had NO COFFEE....I repeat....NO COFFEE this morning.

Now - the yerba mate situation. Does anyone have any tips on where I can get the good stuff???  I can't cope with the leaves, so tea bags are my thing.


Good for you!  Hope each day it gets easier.

About the yerba mate, http://www.guayaki.com/index.php?p=view_product&product_id=47 this is the brand I drink.  Our two local supermarkets carry it, so hopefully you will be able to find it in your area.  Also the locally owned health food store that I go to has it.  If you don't have any luck, you can order it on-line at the above link.


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Suzedgar,
Congrats!  Can you describe how they measured your fingers that was different from the way you originally measured?  I initially measured myself as a gatherer.  But I was gaining on the diet after
a month or so.  I also got sleepy after the dairy items that were diamonds.  So I got out a measuring tape from my sewing kit, and it seems I am a hunter also.  Just by a slim margin, but the ring fingers were longer.  I love the hunter diet and am starting to go down in weight also.
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Hello all,

Well I made a trip to Dr D's clinic

What aaauup?!
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...and UNBELIEVABLE.... I am a fabulous hunter. I am SO PLEASED!!!

Yay!  It is a sure sign that if you are pleased with your type, you are in the right type.  I knew something was off when I plopped myself into the Explorer camp, even though I saw myself in some aspects of same.  I could tell from the diet, though, that I was way, way, way, way off.  The Gatherer diet, like the O diet before it, felt natural and right to me from the git-go.  So the fact that you embrace hunterdom tells me that the Dr. D. peeps knew what they were doing when they concluded that is where you belong, what you are, what are you, what's what, and whaaat aaaaup!

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I love the diet because it is so close to the O non secretor. I measured myself incorrectly.

Happens to the best of us, dude-a-roo.  Ideally, we should all tramp up, down, or sideways to the D'Adamo Clinic and get ourselves typed up right.  But, luckily we do have not only the clear instructions in the book, but the youtube videos to assist us in doing the measurements properly.
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The doctors at the clinic were wonderful and we are trying to reduce my stress. The first order of business is NO COFFEE!!

Giiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirl, it is about dang time!  Of course, that is easy for me to say because, while as it happens I do LOVE coffee, that was never my "thing of things", avoid-wise, that I just CAN'T give up.  CHIPS are my thing of things.  And I know coffee is yours.  I am years and years into this thing (if you count the BTD years as part of "this thing") and I still hit the chips early and often.  I sometimes give 'em up for a while, but I always come back to their siren song.  So it is easy for me to say "about dang time" on the coffee, yet just try to yank away my chips:  stand back, all of you lot!

The good news about coffee is that you really WON'T miss it (probably...we are all different, but this is what I've found) once you discover all the really rich, wonderful, complex, deep, fabu green teas out there.  My FAVE thing is to take a bag of Haiku Kukicha (twig) tea, and a bag of Celestial Seasonings Peppermint tea, and steep them together in a cuppa hot water.  The result, I'm telling you, comes out with what I believe they might call in the biz "chocolate overtones", big time.  It tastes like chocolate to me!  Thus it is funny that it is my fave, because I don't like actual chocolate much *lol*, but somehow in tea form, and when it really isn't chocolate but is secretly kukicha and peppermint tea, IT RULES.

Never try to figure me out, people.  That way lies madness.
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Yup...this time I am serious. It is yerba mate for me and green tea. I think I will have more energy and sleep better and reduce my anxiety.  I am highly strung."

Coffee is an avoid that doesn't get much "air play" in our community, but in my humble opinion, it is almost on a par with wheat in terms of how devastating it is for O nons.  You are going to be so much better off without the dang stuff coursing through your veins, wu hu HUEEEEEY!
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I love this diet and am so excited to do it well!

Duuuuuuuuuude:  your 'tude RULES.


"If you are on one of Dr. D's diets and it isn't joyful, you aren't doing it right." - moi

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I didn't see Dr. D.  I saw the other lovely docs. They were very sweet and patient with me.  I was sipping on an enormous starbucks coffee throughout the appointment!!

  You didn't dare!  

Aaaah ha ha ha ha HAAAAAAA!  omg, that makes my day!  That'd be like me showing up there with a bag of Kettle Chips in one hand and a tub of sour cream in the other:  political incorrectness ALERT!!!!!!!!!  

That is just too hilarious!!!!  And yet they accepted you and loved you anyway!!!  How refreshing!
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That has been my latest issue and I am completely hyper. I must have asked about a thousand annoying questions. They were very patient.

When I go to medical appointments that are very important to me, I tend to get so nervous and intent on getting all my questions in (when I would go to the ENT back in Maryland, you always had to wait months for an appt. and then he would be in there for, literally, at most five minutes), that I'd realize in dismay two seconds after I walked out the door that I couldn't remember a d*mn thing the doctor had said!!!  But with a doctor and practice like Dr. D.'s, they take TIME with you and they LISTEN, and that affords you the respect, time and ability to listen back to what they have to say.  My vet is like that and I find it is the most important thing to me in a doctor:  do they LISTEN, take time, and make themselves accessible to you?  If not, fuggedaboutit.  Been there, done that, and homey don't play that game no mo'.
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When I heard I was a hunter, I felt about 5 inches taller (I am short) and so so relieved.

Yet more good signs that you were indeed finally "home" in the correct genotype.  Yay!
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I love that diet and have not been doing very well on the Gatherer.  I have put on about 8 pounds which is not that big a deal because I was fairly slim in the first place but it is a big weight increase for me.

I am excited to get back on track - especially when it comes to solving my anxiety, high strung personality.

I had a banana this afternoon - delicious!!

I am off to do an intense ballet workout this afternoon.

Awesome, girl.  I'm so proud of you on the coffee front.  Hang in there and explore green teas, because while a lot of the mainstream ones are weak and dull as dishwater, the GOOD ones vary from mild to intensely strong, and they come in all sorts of unique blends and complexities and types, etc.  You can mix and match those with some herb teas and really get into Advanced Tea Creating Mode.  Pretty soon, you won't miss coffee at all.


"If you are on one of Dr. D's diets and it isn't joyful, you aren't doing it right." - moi

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No  . Only Yerba Mate adn green tea.

Ok....I have to confess I had a very small cup of coffee - from our horrible machine. Now, I feel hyper because I had 2 cups of Yerba Mate.  Hmmm...interesting. I actually prefer the calmer feeling!

I think the Yerba Mate has alot of caffeine in it.  Maybe I can actually kick the coffee!
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I feel like a horrible failure after reading Peppermint's lovely encouraging email.  

Where oh where, can one find the strength to not consume those avoids???
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Can you have barley?
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Nope - no barley
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Nope - no barley


I've found Job's tears to be quite nice, a good Hunter grain (well, we don't have any diamonds, but....)
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yerba mate actually has a small amount of caffeine, but has another drug called matteine that is even better...not as jangly...a smoother high that you will not even notice in time.
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I feel like a horrible failure after reading Peppermint's lovely encouraging email.  

You mean my lovely, encouraging post?  I didn't send an e-mail.  Maybe someone else sent you a lovely, encouraging e-mail?  Anyhow:  you are not a horrible failure!  Failure is not horrible!  It has taken me a lifetime to learn this and I have to relearn it 24/7.  As Dr. D. said (now it'll take me two hours to find the antique quote but hang on...keep the faith...I'll be back...yay, that only took about 10 minutes, max):

"The trick to surviving failure is to refuse to be disillusioned by it. It is the gradual effects of disillusionment ('retreat after defeat') that sap the will and prevent us from enduring to the end in order to triumph over our challenges.

The first step in this process: Don't degrade your failures by stripping them of their spiritual value.

This is why most successful people are actually experts in failure."


Sing it, Dr. D.!


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P.S.  I'm telling you right here and right now that if you get yourself some Haiku brand Kukicha (twig) tea (comes in a purple box...I'll put a link up later) or Haiku brand Hojicha (I love both but slightly prefer the Kukicha now, which is good, since it is a diamond superfood for Gatherers), and steep yourself up a good, strong cuppa, you WILL be able to wean yourself off coffee.  Personally, as I've said, I like to stick a bag of peppermint in there with it, but that could just be me.

Also, you could try a classic cup of Twinings Earl Grey (which is a black tea with bergamot, a citrus oil).  That would be far preferable to coffee.

Go out this very instant and load up on a bunch of different teas, teas, TEAS.  Another good one I've discovered recently is Jasmine Green.  I'm going to post some links for you in a minute.  But my point is:  get out there and start exploring some teas, and pretty soon, you will hit upon one that you like as much or MORE than coffee, I will put my personal P-Twist gaurantee on that statement.  There are very rich, complex, strong teas that are every bit as good as coffee.  Are they exactly the same as coffee?  No, but they are just as SATISFYING, I promise you!

You have to jettison the coffee, that's just the way it is, kiddo.  Just like one day I'll actually have to jettison the chips if I ever really want to get down to a healthy weight again.  You have to jettison the coffee if you really want to be in a state of balanced, calm, non-cortisol-infused health.

I don't think I can give up my chips, but I know you can move UP to tea from coffee:  so don't worry about me, run, save yourself...go, get outta here, get to the tea store...

DO IT.

...Okay, why am I still seeing you there?  Tea store, NOW!


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and for a nice jolt...morning thunder, by celestial seasonings....black tea and yerba mate!! zing!
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I don't think I can give up my chips, but I know you can move UP to tea from coffee:  so don't worry about me, run, save yourself...go, get outta here, get to the tea store...


P-Twist,
Play like an alcoholic I knew...  He said that he didn't think he could give up drinking forever, but every time he wanted one, he waited five minutes.  He had been waiting for five minutes for the last 12 years when I spoke to him last...  

In your case, you know that eating some protein will move the craving out some...  Keep some nuts, hopefully almonds (for the crunch) are good for gatherers, around for a quick snack when you want chips...


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...Just like one day I'll actually have to jettison the chips if I ever really want to get down to a healthy weight again...I don't think I can give up my chips


Have you ever tried the brown rice chips from Eden Foods? They're brown rice seasoned with sea salt and a little bit of teeny tiny itty bitty bits of nori. They are fried in rice bran oil. I get them for when I really want popcorn or pretzels, etc.
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I just realized that brown rice is a black dot for you...sorry...maybe they would still be a better choice than whatever chips you are currently having from time to time?

If you decide to give 'em a try, they really are chips - not rice cakes, not rice pellets, not rice styrofoam...at least not to me.
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These florahealth yerba mate tea bags are really great, as I could not seem to get an acceptable cup of mate from the dried loose leaves either; the brew would be a dark brown colour, where this tea has a vibrant yellow /green hue that tastes awesome & fresh.

Each bag comes individually foil wrapped which is a little bit of a scare at first but really is worth getting over the packaging waste for the taste- i have been trained to buy food wrapped as minimally as possible in my food-co-op days lol.

http://www.florahealth.com/flora/home/USA/Products/TGU7.htm#63998

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You guys are the BEST!!  Peppermint - thank you, thank you for all your encouragement. Coffee is such a drug. I am down to a very very small cup with half decaf. You know what...I am beginning to hate the high. This is strange. I normally like the hyper feeling. I am finding that the amount of exercise I do really makes a difference.  I have been workign out almost every day and am feeling much more balanced. All I have left to give up is the coffee.

I think the more I work out, the better I sleep and don't feel so sluggish in the morning. I notice a huge difference in this
"free floating anxiety" condition that Dr D says all Hunters suffer from when they are out of balance.  This is my big issue. I become stressed and really hyper and worry alot when I eat too many carbs and don't exercise.  When I do the diet and work out adn don't drink stimulants, I am a happy camper.  

I also find that eating my beef 5 times a week makes a HUGE difference.  My body just loves protein!!

Ok....I am going to give up coffee tomorrow. I am actually quite religious and have decided to try and give it up as a sacrifice/offering for something I am dealing with in my life. This may give me the impetus to do it!! Hey...whatever works!!
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You guys are the BEST!!  Peppermint - thank you, thank you for all your encouragement. Coffee is such a drug. I am down to a very very small cup with half decaf. You know what...I am beginning to hate the high. This is strange. I normally like the hyper feeling. I am finding that the amount of exercise I do really makes a difference.  I have been workign out almost every day and am feeling much more balanced. All I have left to give up is the coffee.

I think the more I work out, the better I sleep and don't feel so sluggish in the morning. I notice a huge difference in this
"free floating anxiety" condition that Dr D says all Hunters suffer from when they are out of balance.  This is my big issue. I become stressed and really hyper and worry alot when I eat too many carbs and don't exercise.  When I do the diet and work out adn don't drink stimulants, I am a happy camper.  

I also find that eating my beef 5 times a week makes a HUGE difference.  My body just loves protein!!

Ok....I am going to give up coffee tomorrow. I am actually quite religious and have decided to try and give it up as a sacrifice/offering for something I am dealing with in my life. This may give me the impetus to do it!! Hey...whatever works!!

Girl, here's my take on it, and it is kind of brutal, so be braced:  you have to give coffee up completely.  It is your "thing", addiction-wise, and even just having a little is going to trigger cravings for more, more, more.  I can't emphasize enough how many truly satisfying green teas (or black, if you must--no worries) there are out there that, while they admittedly don't taste like coffee, are every bit as satisfying to your "coffee tooth".  Truly, truly, truly, I wouldn't lie to a girl!

I really hope you can do it.  Even if you just do it for a few weeks and then have a slip-up, you will at least learn what your baseline for feeling truly GOOD is, and you will have an incentive to go back to it.

I ate wheat on Saturday and couldn't believe how it knocked me for a loop (and this was with ingesting glucosamine sulfate, which I know helped and resulted in the headache, et al. being a cub instead of a giant bear).  Once you get off a big avoid, you really realize when you ingest it again just how devastating it is for you.

It is really challenging to give up that one major addictive food FOREVER, and I sure haven't been able to do it with potato chips, I don't think I ever will.  But I have really changed my habits about them.  I can go long stretches without chips and then, whenever I do have then, I don't get the mainstream brands with hydrogenated fats and MSG and God knows what else.  I just get pure, wholesome (as wholesome as anything fried like that can be **) ones and instead of eating dip with them like the pre-BTD Edna would have, I will have something with PROTEIN, such as tuna salad or a homemade dippy thing but with protein in it like ground bison or SOMETHING.  And again, I can go long stretches (months) without imbibing, but then I fall into it again and go a while with MASSIVE chip ingestion **.  What I'm saying to you is that I say "give it up" not in a preachy way, because that would fall into the category of "Those who can't, teach."  No, I say it in a loving "I know of what I speak and I care about ya" way, and I know that if you give it up TOTALLY, at least for a while, you will realize that that is your ideal, healthiest state and you will be motivated to get there again when and if you "slip".  PLUS, while you are coffee-free, you will learn about all these substitute things you can have that are good instead.  Like with me, instead of chips, I actually do prefer veggies but I am just too bad at planning and prepping to always have some on hand, all purchased, prepped, cooked up and ready to ingest.  Chips, unfortunately, are EASY.  But I know that veggies instead are just as good.  And I've learned of easy alternatives like Sami's millet & flax garlic "chips" (which are like bagel chips or toasted pita chips...sort of), or basmati rice (that is easy to cook and store).

For coffee, all the alternatives outlined in this thread are good, girl, but you will find the thing that helps YOU and it may be different from the coffee substitute that I or someone else thinks works best to satisfy our "coffee teeth".

Maybe don't tell yourself that you are giving coffee up FOREVER, just that you are going to go without it for as long as you can, taking it one day at a time, and see how you do.  Or tell yourself forever if you think that will work better for you.  But whatever you do, if at some point you do "slip up", don't beat yourself up mercilessly, just continue to do the best you can and move on from there.

Something tells me that after a month or so of no coffee, you will not really miss it!!!  But if it is like my chip addiction, you have to be vigilent to take good care of yourself, sleep-wise and balanced-diet-wise and compliance-wise, etc., because otherwise the addiction could rear its head in a weak, seratonin-deprived moment!  This weekend I was really stressed out over a scary, Orwellian phone call I got on Friday (I have figured out what the health care system's idea of "preventive health care" is, btw:  they PREVENT you from getting HEALTH CARE by intimidating you so much that you don't go to the doctor, EVER...but I digress massively), and it turned out that that was also the day before my period started so apparently I had PMS going in the form of agitating hormones like I often get the night before (as opposed to the night after it starts, when I sleep like a baby for the only time all month--gotta love that fab progesterone infusion!)...

...where was I?  Someone came into my cube and chatted me up and now I realize it is well past LUNCH TIME, so you are on your own now with this coffee addiction thaaaang   !  I think my last point was gonna basically be that when ya get yourself run-down and/or stressed-out, those are the times that your coffee monsta will probably start rattling the bars on his cage, but just do the best you can, stay strong, and if you do have a slip sometimes, get up, dust yourself off, and back to the kukicha twig tea!!!!!

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OK.....HEEEELP! Edna, my friend, you are right beyond right. I gave coffee up for lent - a full 40 days and you know what....I cannot believe how good I felt!!!  The problem is that I thought I was a gatherer so I was over eating oatmeal and other things. Now, with my full Hunter status, I can really go for it.  

I will try and find some dark yerba mate or green tea - will try that one you suggested.   Coffee is such an addiction and so I know this will be tough!  I have never been able to give it up before. I think that with my exercise, I might be able to do it. At least, it is the Summer time and that should help. I seem to want cold drinks more!
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OK.....HEEEELP! Edna, my friend, you are right beyond right. I gave coffee up for lent - a full 40 days and you know what....I cannot believe how good I felt!!!  The problem is that I thought I was a gatherer so I was over eating oatmeal and other things. Now, with my full Hunter status, I can really go for it.

I know you are going to do great!  
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I will try and find some dark yerba mate or green tea - will try that one you suggested.   Coffee is such an addiction and so I know this will be tough!  I have never been able to give it up before. I think that with my exercise, I might be able to do it. At least, it is the Summer time and that should help. I seem to want cold drinks more!

I've never tried Yerba Mate.  Someone on the board said it tasted like "socks", so now I'm not in a huge rush to sample it.


The Haiku line of teas is great, including that Kukicha in the purple box that I recommend, and the Hojicha in the red box which actually you might like better because it really satisfies my "coffee tooth".  Then again, so does the Kukicha, and the Kukicha, it is important to point out, has less caffeine.  I am exquisitely sensitive to caffeine--especially for a non-Explorer *lol*--and even the Hojicha would sometimes give me mild withdrawal headaches over the weekend, if I had more than two bags per day.  With the Kukicha, while I still try to keep myself down to a dull roar with it, I don't suffer any ill effects on the weekends.  You will note in the link I provided in one of the posts above that it provides a comparison table of caffeine content of their teas to other drinks like coffee, cola, etc.  Both the Hojicha and the Kukicha are relatively low in caffeine, but the Kukicha is lower than the Hojicha.

You say Hojicha and I say Kukicha
You say potato and I say potato
Hojicha, Kukicha, potato, potato
Let's call the whole thing off!

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When I do the diet and work out adn don't drink stimulants, I am a happy camper.

aka compliance!
good job!


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