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jayneeo
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yerba mate actually has a small amount of caffeine, but has another drug called matteine that is even better...not as jangly...a smoother high that you will not even notice in time.
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I feel like a horrible failure after reading Peppermint's lovely encouraging email.  

You mean my lovely, encouraging post?  I didn't send an e-mail.  Maybe someone else sent you a lovely, encouraging e-mail?  Anyhow:  you are not a horrible failure!  Failure is not horrible!  It has taken me a lifetime to learn this and I have to relearn it 24/7.  As Dr. D. said (now it'll take me two hours to find the antique quote but hang on...keep the faith...I'll be back...yay, that only took about 10 minutes, max):

"The trick to surviving failure is to refuse to be disillusioned by it. It is the gradual effects of disillusionment ('retreat after defeat') that sap the will and prevent us from enduring to the end in order to triumph over our challenges.

The first step in this process: Don't degrade your failures by stripping them of their spiritual value.

This is why most successful people are actually experts in failure."


Sing it, Dr. D.!


"If you are on one of Dr. D's diets and it isn't joyful, you aren't doing it right." - moi

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P.S.  I'm telling you right here and right now that if you get yourself some Haiku brand Kukicha (twig) tea (comes in a purple box...I'll put a link up later) or Haiku brand Hojicha (I love both but slightly prefer the Kukicha now, which is good, since it is a diamond superfood for Gatherers), and steep yourself up a good, strong cuppa, you WILL be able to wean yourself off coffee.  Personally, as I've said, I like to stick a bag of peppermint in there with it, but that could just be me.

Also, you could try a classic cup of Twinings Earl Grey (which is a black tea with bergamot, a citrus oil).  That would be far preferable to coffee.

Go out this very instant and load up on a bunch of different teas, teas, TEAS.  Another good one I've discovered recently is Jasmine Green.  I'm going to post some links for you in a minute.  But my point is:  get out there and start exploring some teas, and pretty soon, you will hit upon one that you like as much or MORE than coffee, I will put my personal P-Twist gaurantee on that statement.  There are very rich, complex, strong teas that are every bit as good as coffee.  Are they exactly the same as coffee?  No, but they are just as SATISFYING, I promise you!

You have to jettison the coffee, that's just the way it is, kiddo.  Just like one day I'll actually have to jettison the chips if I ever really want to get down to a healthy weight again.  You have to jettison the coffee if you really want to be in a state of balanced, calm, non-cortisol-infused health.

I don't think I can give up my chips, but I know you can move UP to tea from coffee:  so don't worry about me, run, save yourself...go, get outta here, get to the tea store...

DO IT.

...Okay, why am I still seeing you there?  Tea store, NOW!


"If you are on one of Dr. D's diets and it isn't joyful, you aren't doing it right." - moi

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"If you are on one of Dr. D's diets and it isn't joyful, you aren't doing it right." - moi

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and for a nice jolt...morning thunder, by celestial seasonings....black tea and yerba mate!! zing!
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Quoted from Peppermint Twist
I don't think I can give up my chips, but I know you can move UP to tea from coffee:  so don't worry about me, run, save yourself...go, get outta here, get to the tea store...


P-Twist,
Play like an alcoholic I knew...  He said that he didn't think he could give up drinking forever, but every time he wanted one, he waited five minutes.  He had been waiting for five minutes for the last 12 years when I spoke to him last...  

In your case, you know that eating some protein will move the craving out some...  Keep some nuts, hopefully almonds (for the crunch) are good for gatherers, around for a quick snack when you want chips...


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Quoted from Peppermint Twist
...Just like one day I'll actually have to jettison the chips if I ever really want to get down to a healthy weight again...I don't think I can give up my chips


Have you ever tried the brown rice chips from Eden Foods? They're brown rice seasoned with sea salt and a little bit of teeny tiny itty bitty bits of nori. They are fried in rice bran oil. I get them for when I really want popcorn or pretzels, etc.
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I just realized that brown rice is a black dot for you...sorry...maybe they would still be a better choice than whatever chips you are currently having from time to time?

If you decide to give 'em a try, they really are chips - not rice cakes, not rice pellets, not rice styrofoam...at least not to me.
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These florahealth yerba mate tea bags are really great, as I could not seem to get an acceptable cup of mate from the dried loose leaves either; the brew would be a dark brown colour, where this tea has a vibrant yellow /green hue that tastes awesome & fresh.

Each bag comes individually foil wrapped which is a little bit of a scare at first but really is worth getting over the packaging waste for the taste- i have been trained to buy food wrapped as minimally as possible in my food-co-op days lol.

http://www.florahealth.com/flora/home/USA/Products/TGU7.htm#63998

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You guys are the BEST!!  Peppermint - thank you, thank you for all your encouragement. Coffee is such a drug. I am down to a very very small cup with half decaf. You know what...I am beginning to hate the high. This is strange. I normally like the hyper feeling. I am finding that the amount of exercise I do really makes a difference.  I have been workign out almost every day and am feeling much more balanced. All I have left to give up is the coffee.

I think the more I work out, the better I sleep and don't feel so sluggish in the morning. I notice a huge difference in this
"free floating anxiety" condition that Dr D says all Hunters suffer from when they are out of balance.  This is my big issue. I become stressed and really hyper and worry alot when I eat too many carbs and don't exercise.  When I do the diet and work out adn don't drink stimulants, I am a happy camper.  

I also find that eating my beef 5 times a week makes a HUGE difference.  My body just loves protein!!

Ok....I am going to give up coffee tomorrow. I am actually quite religious and have decided to try and give it up as a sacrifice/offering for something I am dealing with in my life. This may give me the impetus to do it!! Hey...whatever works!!
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You guys are the BEST!!  Peppermint - thank you, thank you for all your encouragement. Coffee is such a drug. I am down to a very very small cup with half decaf. You know what...I am beginning to hate the high. This is strange. I normally like the hyper feeling. I am finding that the amount of exercise I do really makes a difference.  I have been workign out almost every day and am feeling much more balanced. All I have left to give up is the coffee.

I think the more I work out, the better I sleep and don't feel so sluggish in the morning. I notice a huge difference in this
"free floating anxiety" condition that Dr D says all Hunters suffer from when they are out of balance.  This is my big issue. I become stressed and really hyper and worry alot when I eat too many carbs and don't exercise.  When I do the diet and work out adn don't drink stimulants, I am a happy camper.  

I also find that eating my beef 5 times a week makes a HUGE difference.  My body just loves protein!!

Ok....I am going to give up coffee tomorrow. I am actually quite religious and have decided to try and give it up as a sacrifice/offering for something I am dealing with in my life. This may give me the impetus to do it!! Hey...whatever works!!

Girl, here's my take on it, and it is kind of brutal, so be braced:  you have to give coffee up completely.  It is your "thing", addiction-wise, and even just having a little is going to trigger cravings for more, more, more.  I can't emphasize enough how many truly satisfying green teas (or black, if you must--no worries) there are out there that, while they admittedly don't taste like coffee, are every bit as satisfying to your "coffee tooth".  Truly, truly, truly, I wouldn't lie to a girl!

I really hope you can do it.  Even if you just do it for a few weeks and then have a slip-up, you will at least learn what your baseline for feeling truly GOOD is, and you will have an incentive to go back to it.

I ate wheat on Saturday and couldn't believe how it knocked me for a loop (and this was with ingesting glucosamine sulfate, which I know helped and resulted in the headache, et al. being a cub instead of a giant bear).  Once you get off a big avoid, you really realize when you ingest it again just how devastating it is for you.

It is really challenging to give up that one major addictive food FOREVER, and I sure haven't been able to do it with potato chips, I don't think I ever will.  But I have really changed my habits about them.  I can go long stretches without chips and then, whenever I do have then, I don't get the mainstream brands with hydrogenated fats and MSG and God knows what else.  I just get pure, wholesome (as wholesome as anything fried like that can be **) ones and instead of eating dip with them like the pre-BTD Edna would have, I will have something with PROTEIN, such as tuna salad or a homemade dippy thing but with protein in it like ground bison or SOMETHING.  And again, I can go long stretches (months) without imbibing, but then I fall into it again and go a while with MASSIVE chip ingestion **.  What I'm saying to you is that I say "give it up" not in a preachy way, because that would fall into the category of "Those who can't, teach."  No, I say it in a loving "I know of what I speak and I care about ya" way, and I know that if you give it up TOTALLY, at least for a while, you will realize that that is your ideal, healthiest state and you will be motivated to get there again when and if you "slip".  PLUS, while you are coffee-free, you will learn about all these substitute things you can have that are good instead.  Like with me, instead of chips, I actually do prefer veggies but I am just too bad at planning and prepping to always have some on hand, all purchased, prepped, cooked up and ready to ingest.  Chips, unfortunately, are EASY.  But I know that veggies instead are just as good.  And I've learned of easy alternatives like Sami's millet & flax garlic "chips" (which are like bagel chips or toasted pita chips...sort of), or basmati rice (that is easy to cook and store).

For coffee, all the alternatives outlined in this thread are good, girl, but you will find the thing that helps YOU and it may be different from the coffee substitute that I or someone else thinks works best to satisfy our "coffee teeth".

Maybe don't tell yourself that you are giving coffee up FOREVER, just that you are going to go without it for as long as you can, taking it one day at a time, and see how you do.  Or tell yourself forever if you think that will work better for you.  But whatever you do, if at some point you do "slip up", don't beat yourself up mercilessly, just continue to do the best you can and move on from there.

Something tells me that after a month or so of no coffee, you will not really miss it!!!  But if it is like my chip addiction, you have to be vigilent to take good care of yourself, sleep-wise and balanced-diet-wise and compliance-wise, etc., because otherwise the addiction could rear its head in a weak, seratonin-deprived moment!  This weekend I was really stressed out over a scary, Orwellian phone call I got on Friday (I have figured out what the health care system's idea of "preventive health care" is, btw:  they PREVENT you from getting HEALTH CARE by intimidating you so much that you don't go to the doctor, EVER...but I digress massively), and it turned out that that was also the day before my period started so apparently I had PMS going in the form of agitating hormones like I often get the night before (as opposed to the night after it starts, when I sleep like a baby for the only time all month--gotta love that fab progesterone infusion!)...

...where was I?  Someone came into my cube and chatted me up and now I realize it is well past LUNCH TIME, so you are on your own now with this coffee addiction thaaaang   !  I think my last point was gonna basically be that when ya get yourself run-down and/or stressed-out, those are the times that your coffee monsta will probably start rattling the bars on his cage, but just do the best you can, stay strong, and if you do have a slip sometimes, get up, dust yourself off, and back to the kukicha twig tea!!!!!

((((((HUG)))))))))



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OK.....HEEEELP! Edna, my friend, you are right beyond right. I gave coffee up for lent - a full 40 days and you know what....I cannot believe how good I felt!!!  The problem is that I thought I was a gatherer so I was over eating oatmeal and other things. Now, with my full Hunter status, I can really go for it.  

I will try and find some dark yerba mate or green tea - will try that one you suggested.   Coffee is such an addiction and so I know this will be tough!  I have never been able to give it up before. I think that with my exercise, I might be able to do it. At least, it is the Summer time and that should help. I seem to want cold drinks more!
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OK.....HEEEELP! Edna, my friend, you are right beyond right. I gave coffee up for lent - a full 40 days and you know what....I cannot believe how good I felt!!!  The problem is that I thought I was a gatherer so I was over eating oatmeal and other things. Now, with my full Hunter status, I can really go for it.

I know you are going to do great!  
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I will try and find some dark yerba mate or green tea - will try that one you suggested.   Coffee is such an addiction and so I know this will be tough!  I have never been able to give it up before. I think that with my exercise, I might be able to do it. At least, it is the Summer time and that should help. I seem to want cold drinks more!

I've never tried Yerba Mate.  Someone on the board said it tasted like "socks", so now I'm not in a huge rush to sample it.


The Haiku line of teas is great, including that Kukicha in the purple box that I recommend, and the Hojicha in the red box which actually you might like better because it really satisfies my "coffee tooth".  Then again, so does the Kukicha, and the Kukicha, it is important to point out, has less caffeine.  I am exquisitely sensitive to caffeine--especially for a non-Explorer *lol*--and even the Hojicha would sometimes give me mild withdrawal headaches over the weekend, if I had more than two bags per day.  With the Kukicha, while I still try to keep myself down to a dull roar with it, I don't suffer any ill effects on the weekends.  You will note in the link I provided in one of the posts above that it provides a comparison table of caffeine content of their teas to other drinks like coffee, cola, etc.  Both the Hojicha and the Kukicha are relatively low in caffeine, but the Kukicha is lower than the Hojicha.

You say Hojicha and I say Kukicha
You say potato and I say potato
Hojicha, Kukicha, potato, potato
Let's call the whole thing off!

(Don't mind me today.)


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When I do the diet and work out adn don't drink stimulants, I am a happy camper.

aka compliance!
good job!


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