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Mayflowers
Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 5:10pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I have to say that I feel...younger since being on the GTD!  It's only been about a month and a half. I'm feeling it mentally...so soon, I hope to see some physical changes! (weight wise)

Has anyone noticed any actual mental or physical changes?
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Quoted from 815

Has anyone noticed any actual mental or physical changes?


No question about it, Mayflowers, there are physical and mental changes that the diet just keeps on giving!!! Incredible and amazing!!

I feel younger, think faster, handle stress better, clothes fit better, stomach pain continues to be gone and this alleviates the urge to eat all the time too!! Many more pluses besides these.....
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   I'm more alert, less of the old afternoon slumps on GTD, unless I have wheat (which is sometimes unavoidable).    Also my eczema has all but cleared up, something I've had since I was a baby.  

Just have to wean myself off that little splash of milk in my morning cup of tea, ensure I stay wheat free and add more diamond foods to my daily intake and I reckon I'll be bouncing round like tigger  


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Not to be gross but my Mom and I both have been having better BM's.  I think mine are more due to the AB Polyflora but I'm sure the diet is not hurting.  The only thing she changed afaik is going to the Gatherer diet from the B diet.

I have had a little more energy too.  I think mine is a combination of a couple things, Nomad diet being one.


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Cool. (Not to mention the supplements Dr. D prescribed are probably doing their job)

ABNoWay, my dad was an AB+Sec. Do you have high blood pressure?
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I've had problem nails for years and since doing the GTD, they are looking a lot better...stronger, shinier

Also...I have always felt I was underweight which makes sense since Hunters have a great metabolism...well mine was a little too high and I feel I wasn't absorbing nutrients well. I've gained 10 pounds (165 to 175)I'm 6ft.... since being on the GTD I feel much stronger.


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I have noticed that my detox is much more constant...  While on BTD, I would have a period of really heavy detox, then a recovery period.  Now, the degree of detox is much more even, although not as heavy as the heaviest parts before...  It is much easier to deal with the same level rather than a roller coaster, although constant pain is never fun.

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I have changed /added other nutraceutical and homeopathic products to limit damage to surrounding tissue from the pesticides / heavy metals being detoxed.

As more junk is removed, it may be easier for the body to regulate the flow, so it naturally became more constant...


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Well its been just under 2 months since I visited the clinic...probably 7 weeks or so...so I think its time for an update.  My stomach has healed more in this short time than it has from any other attempt (and I've tried oh so many) over the last 7 years.  I tried cow milk yogurt and I'm very happy to report my stomach hummed afterwards.  Considering I couldn't even eat beef because it was from a cow without having excruciating stomach pains, shortness of breath, tingly/num hands and feet, and really bad "D"...this is a huge feat!!!! Up until Saturday though I was still having really really low energy, even walking felt like a process...but then sunday I decided to try steak since the yogurt did well...and I had the biggest burst of energy afterwards and ran home to work out which I haven't been able to do in months.  Thinking back to when I first attempted the BTD last August, I had started to have an increase in energy much sooner than I felt these past 7 weeks and realized I had been eating lamb almost everyday which I haven't at all these last 7 weeks.  Naturally I have a tendency to go for the carbs, whether its bread, veggies or fruit.  So for the last couple days I've been eating protein with every meal and I've been able to work out these past few days.  Next grocery trip I'm stocking up on lamb!!  So while my stomach is healing up and energy seems to be on the upswing, I'm hoping my hormones will start to sort out soon-cause yikes!!    
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Mayflowers; No, last three times it was checked it was 100/70 every time baby.  I'd say that's pretty good.  I do have high cholesterol though.  

ABJoe; How do you know you're detoxing? What I mean is, what symptoms help you know?  You mentioned pain.  Can you be more specific?  I think I may be going through the same thing but I'm not even sure.  


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Quoted from 815
I have to say that I feel...younger since being on the GTD!  It's only been about a month and a half. I'm feeling it mentally...so soon, I hope to see some physical changes! (weight wise)

Has anyone noticed any actual mental or physical changes?


Mayflowers we still don't know how old you are.. so we can see how young you feel..




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(heavily sighing..) I'm 52 as of last week.
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Are you telling us we missed your birthday?   Many happy returns for last week Mayflowers!  


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(heavily sighing..) I'm 52 as of last week.


Oh, come on, Mayflowers! Fifty two can be so much fun! Hope you had a very nice birthday! I can just see that this diet is going to make you feel like forty again come your next birthday if you stick with it! And I am not kidding!
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Well I kind of hinted to Drea on another thread, but she didn't get it.. Mine's within a couple of days of hers. Thank you ladies!

I wasn't expecting to actually feel younger with the GTD. I was just looking for longevity and basic good health. This is very cool.
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Great thread...I think that the GTD is working miracles for me...when I first started I thought that I couldn't wait until the day that I could get back my black dot foods...now I don't care of I do or not because I'm so used to the "plan" & loving it that I have no need to expand it.  
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Mayflowers...I spend a lot of time in Jersey City, NJ on our boat...if you're not too far from there we should get together if you're at all inclined...meeting another Dr. D fan would be very nice.  
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Well I kind of hinted to Drea on another thread, but she didn't get it.. Mine's within a couple of days of hers. Thank you ladies!

I wasn't expecting to actually feel younger with the GTD. I was just looking for longevity and basic good health. This is very cool.


Aha the penny drops at last, so that's why you ate out twice last week.        So many clues, can't believe I missed it lol


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I was having a lot of food sensitivities on the O Sec diet, even to Beneficials.  Now my digestion is much better, and I can eat every Superfood I've tried.  I attribute this to eliminating all gluten containing grains.  I've also gained a few much needed pounds.
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Aha the penny drops at last, so that's why you ate out twice last week.        So many clues, can't believe I missed it lol




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Mayflowers...I spend a lot of time in Jersey City, NJ on our boat...if you're not too far from there we should get together if you're at all inclined...meeting another Dr. D fan would be very nice.


Sure! Maybe we can get Dr. D to pull up in his boat and visit a spell!
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I'm finding this healing process going very slowly but consistently and the ability for me to measure
improvement is happening in "waves" ...some very good days and weeks and then another week or few days of repeated detoxing.  It's happened to me continually since January when I began the Warrior diet.  I've had everything from skin reactions (breakouts ...strange places...backs of arms, shoulders...neck).  I'm way too old for acne.  And I've also had days where my gut is perfect only to have a few  days when I unload more toxins again.  I've felt the same about aches
and pains....Many good days but often a few where I'm feeling a little worse, then suddenly much
better. So I think I'm making great progress because I'm sure my body is releasing toxins when it's ready to unload more.  I must be a bottomless pit of toxins.

I've realized that I'm most likely to have an outpouring of toxins when I eat more and more diamond foods.  One day I ate 15 of them and the next day I felt worse.  BUT, the day after that I felt much much better.  Some days I slow down my intake of diamonds to slow down potential toxin release.

The super foods are no problem for me at all.  They are the bulk of my diet every day.

It's a brilliant diet and I love it. I will stick with it for life.  I haven't reached the 6 month point
yet...but I have no doubt that I will be in a better place the longer I stay on this diet.


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Very nice Chole.   I have to say that I feel the effect of avoids more intensely now, than when on the BTD by itself.  I had some vegetarian Indian the other night and it had..tomatoes as an ingredient..I felt sick the next day and I knew it was the tomatoes. I even took Deflect and I still felt sick.  
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Quoted from Chloe
I'm finding this healing process going very slowly but consistently and the ability for me to measure
improvement is happening in "waves" ...some very good days and weeks and then another week or few days of repeated detoxing.  It's happened to me continually since January when I began the Warrior diet.  I've had everything from skin reactions (breakouts ...strange places...backs of arms, shoulders...neck).  I'm way too old for acne.  And I've also had days where my gut is perfect only to have a few  days when I unload more toxins again.  I've felt the same about aches
and pains....Many good days but often a few where I'm feeling a little worse, then suddenly much
better. So I think I'm making great progress because I'm sure my body is releasing toxins when it's ready to unload more.  I must be a bottomless pit of toxins.

I've realized that I'm most likely to have an outpouring of toxins when I eat more and more diamond foods.  One day I ate 15 of them and the next day I felt worse.  BUT, the day after that I felt much much better.  Some days I slow down my intake of diamonds to slow down potential toxin release.

The super foods are no problem for me at all.  They are the bulk of my diet every day.

It's a brilliant diet and I love it. I will stick with it for life.  I haven't reached the 6 month point
yet...but I have no doubt that I will be in a better place the longer I stay on this diet.



Well, if those are truly symptoms of detox, which hopefully they are, just think of all the good you're doing your body.  That's how I feel about it but mine are more just the weird aches and pains.  Not so much skin stuff.  Sorry to hear that.




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Chloe, that sounds kind of like me.  Are you having Candida die-off?


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Mayflowers: 52 is quite young for this group.
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Hi guys, all your results sound great!

I have to admit that at the beginning of the GTD I was sceptical about if it would have any effect. Sure, wasn't I eating BTD for nearly 9 years at that stage and IT was supposed to be the end of all questions regarding what to eat!

Well it sounds from all your testimonies that I was wrong- as for me, the only way I could describe my own improvement to my mum was this:
On the BTD I felt 'freshly washed', now I feel 'whiter than white' !

(By the way, this is a slogan for washing powder in my part of the world- just in case you are wondering )





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Hello all you Babes!

The most noticeable change for me is that I quickly dropped 11 pounds and it has stayed off.  I've been trying to get rid of that excess baggage for decades, and now it's effortless.

Also, my skin has cleared up.  I've always had good skin, but now I don't get that little spot that appeared every couple on months on my chin.  Wrinkles seem to be less noticeable also.

I am having very satisfactory BM's with no digestive discomfort.  That's a real plus!  And I am sleeping better.

Well, just a great big YAY for Dr. D.!  



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ABJoe; How do you know you're detoxing? What I mean is, what symptoms help you know?  You mentioned pain.  Can you be more specific?  I think I may be going through the same thing but I'm not even sure.  


Chloes post above is how I used to feel using BTD - the waves.  Now I have settled into an almost constant level of removal...

I don't know how to describe it fully, but I have one intensity (more sharp, stabbing) of pain when I eat avoids and a different intensity (less intense, combination of itch and pain) of pain when it is a healing hurt...  

I know I am detoxing because I have some of the same pains I would if I ate specific avoids, but I know that I'm not eating them, so they must be being removed from stores within the body.  I also know that I am losing the little fat that I had gained and am back to a skinny little frame - only now I have many "cysts", highly concentrated toxin deposits between the skin and muscle.  These are being broken down (expanding, softening, reducing back down to a hard lump, and after some time, repeating the cycle) and removed.  Two of the cysts have been pushed to the surface of the shin and removed from the surface with the use of "Indian Herb" from a company in TX.  I just started removal of an additional cyst from my wrist area that had started pushing through the skin.

My body is also very good at telling me when I need something.  I will get a headache in a very specific spot that runs from just behind my temple on both sides, up and meets above my forehead just at the hairline.  When I start to get an ache here, I know that I need some nutrient, etc...  It is then a matter of muscle response testing to determine what substance is being requested.  I use a variety of tests to determine Yes / No answers to questions to find a result or if I can't think of the right thing, the ache keeps getting stronger and I can be "drawn" to the item or it will suddenly be "obvious" - I get a mental flash and know what I need.

Since I have been detoxing so much, I have been visiting a Contact Reflex Analyst (medical practitioner) who uses Muscle Response testing of the energy meridians in the body to determine what the health of specific organs is, what is causing the problem, and how to fix it.  She has access to many substances to aid the process that are "practitioner only" that I wouldn't be able to make the same progress without her.

I hope this answers some questions. I am sure it prompts many more as well.  I would never have thought this type of healing was possible 15 years ago, and pooh-poohed it when she started talking about it, but when I walked in a bit run-down and she diagnosed walking pneumonia and treated it (with results that proved that my lungs were full of "water") without me losing a day of work, I became a believer that she knew more than I.

I know that the GTD is helping immensely because even with BTD, I didn't feel as good as I do  now and the body was shifting closer to what the GTD is now by itself...



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Well done AB Joe, what a story! So glad you jumped in the deep end (well, allowed yourself to be pushed).
I have been finding lately that I vary between great energy and youthfulness, and the opposite, when I feel almost nauseous. I have to assume that the latter are detox moments.
Another strange thing is that my sensory equipment seems to be improved, and I can smell other people's halitosis more than I ever have...I am almost getting paranoid about it, and wonder about my own!!! Like someone earlier in the thread, I am less and less interested in black dot items, and find enough variety in the left hand column.Also I am dreaming more, and allowing some slightly nightmarish items to arise in my consciousness which I must have been suppressing before. But I sleep deeply and well, even with plenty of coffee



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ABJoe, it's interesting that you talk about "flashing" on a particular food.  I tend to do the same, though I didn't know a word to put with it.  I'm having the same thing happen to me, where I go along fine for a week or two then --WHAM--  I'm hit with what we call a crash.  It lasts a few hours or a day and then it goes away.  I had thought it was Candida die-off, and it may partly be, but it's gotten me to thinking, hearing you other Warriors talk about the same thing.

I had a crash last night.  I just suddenly got a headache and my legs started hurting (very specific places on my legs), and I had to lay down.  I felt horrible.  The children just had a free-for-all while I lay face-down on the bed.  Eventually my husband came in and asked me if he could get me anything.  He brought me some green tea and some Emergen-C, but I kept swirling foods around in my head waiting on something to come to me.  Finally I sat up and said, "I need some red lentil soup with a lot of sea salt and tumeric."  Well, it was bedtime, so I decided just to go to bed and make lentil soup today.  I'm only feeling slightly better today.  I've just dragged around doing laundry and such, and sitting out in the rain with the kids (it's great fun if you've never tried it).  I made lentil soup this afternoon and plan on eating it for supper.  Maybe that'll make me feel better since that's what "flashed" in my head.


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I had a crash last night.  I just suddenly got a headache and my legs started hurting (very specific places on my legs), and I had to lay down.  I felt horrible.  The children just had a free-for-all while I lay face-down on the bed.  Eventually my husband came in and asked me if he could get me anything.  He brought me some green tea and some Emergen-C, but I kept swirling foods around in my head waiting on something to come to me.  Finally I sat up and said, "I need some red lentil soup with a lot of sea salt and tumeric."  Well, it was bedtime, so I decided just to go to bed and make lentil soup today.  I'm only feeling slightly better today.  I've just dragged around doing laundry and such, and sitting out in the rain with the kids (it's great fun if you've never tried it).  I made lentil soup this afternoon and plan on eating it for supper.  Maybe that'll make me feel better since that's what "flashed" in my head.

It does seem like the pain after eating an avoid is more general, whereas, the pain from detox or needing something is much more local.

I like to walk in the rain...  I don't mind squishing in my shoes, but I don't like just sitting in the wet...  If I'm sitting under a shelter just watching and listening to the rain, it is very peaceful for me...

I've wanted to post about the needs just becoming an awareness to me, but hadn't thought of a way to write it so people would understand...  Glad I finally just spit it out and got the feedback...  You guys are the best!


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ABJoe, thanks for the explanation.  I get sort of like you're saying, "Itchy burning pains" in some muscle areas.  Inside of my legs and arms primarily.  And it seems to go after my left side more than my right for some reason.  I have taken holy basil when needed and it seems to help.  I guess it's an anti inflammatory.  

As far as the meridian thing, we took my Son to a chiro who had been trained in Nambudrapad's allergy elimination treatments when he was younger because his eczema was so bad and most of it was linked to food allergies.  They used accupressure and it worked.  There is something about this whole energy fields in the body that I don't understand and most regular doctors would call it kookie, but theres something to it.  For my son, it helped calm him, helped made him less itchy, and more foods did not make his eczema worse.  He got ALOT better.  I thanked God we found that, because just avoiding all the foods was probably not very good for his health.  He only ate rice cakes, raisins, apple sauce and goats milk.  I kid you not, that was his only diet for about a year.  Then this Allergy Elimination stuff opened up the door for more foods.  My point is, it sounds weird, but it seems to work.  Even as a Christian, I can find parallels with how Jesus healed people.  Anyways, enough about that.

Ribbit.  I had the same kind of day too.  I was feeling really well for the last two weeks and yesterday I felt really strange.  Light headed at times, my temperature was really low and then went too high in the evening.  Just felt strange all around.  When I start feeling new strange I count a good thing, because I think it means things are changing.  And I think for the better.  But it seems like I'll get set backs while going up.  I hope you feel better.  I'm not that good at diagnosing what foods I need yet, but I have thought things like that.  With you guys talking about it, I'll be more aware of it now and see if I can do the same thing.  The ND I used to go to called them "healing crisis".  I hope he was right.


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I do that in every area of life, not just foods.  I'll swirl stuff around in my mind (or actually it swirls itself), sometimes for days (and nights, unfortunately), then something will surface out of the swirling, and I'll know what the answer is.  I'm usually right, whether it makes sense or not.  Lentil soup was what I needed and I feel great now.


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You swirl stuff in your mouth for days? Tell me, how do you brush your teeth? ...lol Hope you feel better today.
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Unexpected changes..
No more Blepheritis
Increased sense of smell.
Increase in bowel motility
Increase in stool bulk
Sense of smell changing
Increase in energy
Overall sense of well being/exuberance
Decrease in fingerprint white lines.. easier to clean my hands after digging in the dirt without gloves

Decrease in facial hair
Decrease in headaches from PMS
Decrease in ear wax
Increase in dreams...



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The oddball detox symptoms were a little distracting.  But overall I am finally getting stronger.  My tendonitis is much less painful and I am finally feeling stronger now.  More like an explorer should be.  As though I am finally growing some muscles now.  

On the BTD arthritis support diet, I felt as though I had reached a plateau.  As long as I stayed exactly on the diet, I was OK.  But I never really got any better.   My candida overgrowth is gone for good now.  I've had it since I as a kid, probably since I had baby teeth fillings (which could have leaked mercury, thus  promoting the candidia overgrowth).  I can trace back mental and health problems to my early school years, when I first received the fillings.  Anyway, my body got all geared up to fight the infection and probably started taking resources away from my muscles.  Which is OK in the short term, but I'm 37 years old now and that's almost 30 years of candida overgrowth.  I never would have believed myself to be of a 'muscular' genotype because I could never get my muscles to grow, not even with all the exercises my physiotherapists gave me.  It was so frustrating.  

But that's all over now.  It's still hard to believe  , but I am definitely stronger now.  It was painful to switch to eating foods that BTD arthritis O nonsecretors should avoid or limit but eventually my body calmed down and actually became stronger.     This is so cool!  

I actually seem to be losing weight and inches now too.  I figure that I might have had toxins not just in my fat cells but also in some muscles and maybe some nerves.  Those toxins needed to be cleared out first.  

I have to track the inches as well as pounds  because muscle weighs more than fat.  If I'm finally gaining muscle it will make me leaner but not lighter.  So I might seem to be losing at a slower rate than I really am.  What ever!    Strong and healthy is all I ask for.  All that I've been asking for.  For so long now.  This genotype diet really is the answer to my prayers.  Sometimes God says yes, sometimes no, and sometimes God says 'wait'.


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Unexpected changes..
No more Blepheritis
Increased sense of smell.
Increase in bowel motility
Increase in stool bulk
Sense of smell changing
Increase in energy
Overall sense of well being/exuberance
Decrease in fingerprint white lines.. easier to clean my hands after digging in the dirt without gloves

Decrease in facial hair
Decrease in headaches from PMS
Decrease in ear wax
Increase in dreams...


Wow Dottie, so similar to mine--but I will have to look up blepheritis!




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You swirl stuff in your mouth for days? Tell me, how do you brush your teeth? ...lol Hope you feel better today.


Mind.  I swirl stuff around in my mind.


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Shari,
that is a powerful testimonial you got there!
congratulations and keep it up!


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I am in between both BTD and GTD, mainly GTD but we have to have bread and are eating spelt and rye bread. Other than that, we are mainly on GTD.

I have more energy, I did not realized I had depression, but now, I know I did. I recovered my hunter instincts and am chasing down a new job in a totally different industry. Something that I had dragged my feet for 2 years!

Oh I lost weight! 4Kg and DH too, healthier overall, migraines disappeared and today noticed I no longer get that dull ache on my kneecaps.
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Well done AB Joe, what a story! So glad you jumped in the deep end (well, allowed yourself to be pushed).
I have been finding lately that I vary between great energy and youthfulness, and the opposite, when I feel almost nauseous. I have to assume that the latter are detox moments.
Another strange thing is that my sensory equipment seems to be improved, and I can smell other people's halitosis more than I ever have...I am almost getting paranoid about it, and wonder about my own!!! Like someone earlier in the thread, I am less and less interested in black dot items, and find enough variety in the left hand column.Also I am dreaming more, and allowing some slightly nightmarish items to arise in my consciousness which I must have been suppressing before. But I sleep deeply and well, even with plenty of coffee

Sorry messieurs ABJoe and ABnoway, I've been reading too fast and getting you muddled up. I'll watch the signatures more carefully in future!




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Sorry messieurs ABJoe and ABnoway, I've been reading too fast and getting you muddled up. I'll watch the signatures more carefully in future!


No problem...



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Oh no!!!  I think I do too!  


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I have noticed changes, both good and bad.

Smoother & clearer skin.  Stronger nails.  Bm's are almost without any smell.  More aches & pains in muscles &  joints.  Less mental clarity (this bothers me.)  More dreams compared to almost dreamless.  Wake up easier.  Better breath.  Feel a little stronger.  No weight change.  Interesting...


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I f*rt more on the GTD

you made me laugh out loud!

Just yesterday I ate fresh artichokes and boy did I f*rt!
Never had that happen before with artichokes.


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Calmer, better definition in physique.  


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I f*rt more on the GTD
Exact opposite for me. Isn't f*rting a sign of undigested food?...

http://www.nutrihealth.org/pages/flatulence.html

My impression of the GTD is that, among other reasons, it selects foods for us that digest easily and completely, especially if they are eaten in the right combination with each other. Maybe you have a specific intolerance to one of your GTD foods?


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On GTD, I have more regular BMs, less trouble with the candida, more aches (especially my lower back).
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My eczema on my elbows that I've had for years is gone..since I've been on the GTD!  
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I've only been 90 - 99%  compliant for about 7 weeks now so I guess I'm still detoxing.       When I do eat an avoid or certain of the black dots it's not a happy thing.

I've been kind of going crazy in my mind trying to figure out why I still ache all over at times or have bad indigestion or have brain fog, bad BM's, etc., etc., but the symptoms come and go.

I think the most noticable things have been that some days I have happy energy that is off the hook and then other days I'm crashed (Hunter tendencies?).  

The most beneficial things I've noticed is that I'm not into sweets that much anymore.  Yesterday I had a protein shake for lunch and attempted to eat a few dates.  They were much too sweet.  And as well I don't have any depression happening.

I can only attempt to atribute some of the aches and pains to the weather changes affecting my osteoarthritis which is in my neck and has not been confirmed in my thumb joints (but they hurt like mad at times but the xrays showed nothing - anybody have this?)

And the other thing I can attribute body aches and pains to would be my  hemochrotasis which causes me to hurt all over if my iron is too high which it currently it.

Oh and the other thing would be an upset gut... which I know can cause full body inflammation, right?

So how long does detox take?!  

Overall the benefits have outweighed any strange affects.  And I have to tell you that when I have had a clean eating regime for a period of time and then gone off of it, the body stops hurting for awhile and I sleep better.  But I'm sure this is the drug effect of sugar and flours and other horrid food additives.  
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DH told me today that he likes the Nomad diet.  He didn't appreciate the change of cheese at first, and that was his initial reason for not going on it, but after he got used to it he said he could tolerate Cheddar cheese.  And tonight at supper he said, "I like Cheddar cheese.  It makes me feel good."


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So how long does detox take?!  

Overall the benefits have outweighed any strange affects.  And I have to tell you that when I have had a clean eating regime for a period of time and then gone off of it, the body stops hurting for awhile and I sleep better.  But I'm sure this is the drug effect of sugar and flours and other horrid food additives.  

I can't say how long it can take.  I'm still in the detox process myself.  It's getting better since there are more good days than there were three years ago.


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I don't know, but I bet detoxing comes in stages/plateaus, just like weight-loss for some people.
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Well, I've come to the decision that it's time to go back on the B-nonnie diet.  I have certainly enjoyed the greater variety of foods I could eat on GTD, but I just don't feel as good, especially with my lower back aches.

This afternoon I ate some cantaloupe, a superfood for Nomads but avoid for B-nonnies, and I really felt yucky.  It tasted great, but it was so sweet!  I think cantaloupes (as well as the honeydews I've been enjoying, also Nomad superfood but B-nonnie avoid) are just too hard on my blood sugar.  I think I was feeling my best overall back in May and June, and since starting GTD in July I've been heading the wrong way.  I am going to come up with another "hybrid" diet, to be sure, because some of the Nomad toxins that are BTD neutrals are not good for me (i.e. banana, mango, milk), and many BTD neutrals are elevated to superfood in GTD.

It's been a learning experience, but I don't think I'll be back until I can't get SWAMI done...and heaven only knows when that will happen!
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thought you had gone back long ago!
and you are sure about your measurements, right>
there s no way you might be another GT?


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Well, I've come to the decision that it's time to go back on the B-nonnie diet.  I have certainly enjoyed the greater variety of foods I could eat on GTD, but I just don't feel as good, especially with my lower back aches.

This is interesting, Drive. I had to go back to the O-Nonnie diet, because the GTD (Gatherer) diet made my back pain much worse.

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This is interesting, Drive. I had to go back to the O-Nonnie diet, because the GTD (Gatherer) diet made my back pain much worse.

Yep, it's discouraging.  My back pain was 90% gone on BTD.  It's not as bad as it was pre-BTD, it's worse than when I was just on BTD (maybe 50% improvement over SAD?), and combined with how often I feel "icky" now vs. then, and how my mental clarity has suffered (first thing to go for me when I'm not balanced), that's good enough reason to switch back.
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How weird it all is!  And how discouraging it sounds!  

I was thinking before I read your post Drive and Curious that maybe pain at this time in my life is just something I have to put up with!  I'm trying to write it all off to detox but  

Drive... if you keep using the foods from GTD I don't know if that would make sense because don't you really want to see if those foods are causing your symptoms to flare?  

I'm really confused about it all on my own position after reading your posts.  Have others had to switch back to the BTD?  

P.S.  I just went and re-did the GTD vs. BTD test again and as before still test strong for GTD.  

Drive... what did you test for?

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I test better for BTD.  I'm positive that what I'm feeling isn't detox, either.  What I'm feeling is inflammation from lectins, and blood sugar instability, from eating stuff on the Nomad diet that I was supposed to avoid on the B-nonnie diet.

This is the way I plan on redoing my diet:
1) If it's an avoid for Bs (secretors or nonnies), I will consider it AVOID.
2) If it's an avoid for B-nonnies and neutral for B-sec, I will consider it OCCASSIONAL (allows me to eat more varieties of cheese, in moderation).
3) Of the remaining foods, there will be some personal judgment calls, but most of the GTD toxins and occasionals will end up in the AVOID or OCCASIONAL category.
4) Of those foods still left to consider, if it's a B-nonnie beneficial or a Nomad superfood/diamond, I will probably consider it BENEFICIAL, but there will be some judgment calls there, too.

This will make for an even more restrictive AVOID list than simply the B-nonnie diet, but it will also make a bigger BENEFICIAL list.  Now that I've tried both, I'm keeping what works!  The most important thing for me is to get those type B BTD avoids back out of my diet.
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good luck and don t get things mixed up!


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good luck and don t get things mixed up!

But...that's the whole point!
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ahhh!!  

then have a fun ride! lol


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My back pain was 90% gone on BTD.  It's not as bad as it was pre-BTD, it's worse than when I was just on BTD (maybe 50% improvement over SAD?), and combined with how often I feel "icky" now vs. then, and how my mental clarity has suffered (first thing to go for me when I'm not balanced), that's good enough reason to switch back.

I've had more pain since becoming adjusted to the GTD, but I know it is due to much faster detox...  It is critical for me to pay close attention to the supplement and homeopathic medications to help me process the chemicals that are being removed...

I hope you are able to find a balance that works for you!  I know how tough it is when you feel lost, looking for the answers.


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Drive 55, Did you try protocols arthritis with GTD???

I belive that I asked it before????

its work very well, DEFLECT , MAGNESIUM, etc!!!

good luck!!!


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Nope, I didn't try the protocols.  I'm positive that some of the new foods on GTD are the problem, so I don't see any need to invest in more supplements when I can just make dietary changes.

Honestly, the differences between Nomad and B-nonnie aren't tremendous.  If I was going from Explorer back to B-nonnie, that would be a lot trickier, but since my BTD and GTD are similar, I'm sure that I'm still getting a lot of epigenetic benefit from BTD.  As important as the future is, I live in the present, and I'm just not functioning on a satisfactory level on GTD.  I felt the best I've ever felt in my life during the few months before changing over, and I want that back!

If inflammation and pain are the price I have to pay to get my sluggish Nomad immune system motivated, then I'm saying "no thanks".  I'll have to find other ways to rally the defenses.
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Add me to the list.  My joint pain left on the btd and came back on the gtd.  It is a little better now than when I first made the switch, but I am missing the mental clarity and energy that the btd gave me.  A hybrid diet sounds like a good idea.


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strangely for me, the joint pain (hands) went away on GTD....
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Drive, I am really interested to know how you feel when you are back on the BTD diet with the modifications you have outlined. Another interesting thing I forgot about (but now remember again after I read your post): when I was on GTD, my mental clarity was not very good, on BTD - or the variation I am following - my mind is clear again.
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Great thread...very uplifting.
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GTD identified the main reason why I did not feel good in BTD - gluten.

The main issue I have with the GTD is the 3-6 month compliance. It stresses the .... out of me. So I simply do the GTD with the BTD mind frame. If I have a toxin, especially a black dot, and even more especially a O sec benny, without negative effects every so often, fine with me.



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Nope, I didn't try the protocols.  I'm positive that some of the new foods on GTD are the problem, so I don't see any need to invest in more supplements when I can just make dietary changes.

Honestly, the differences between Nomad and B-nonnie aren't tremendous.


I really dont know if your back arthritis problem is so strong, but I work with Nps (at Natural Health Center), and  they say me: When some problem of health is had for many years, not only the food can help to solve them, because they are some nutrients that help to recover and you can't get it from the food,( magnesium, msm , glucosamine, etc.) 'Orthomolecular nutrients' that's why I insist on the topic, so I know for myself experience (old lesion knee) is so hard live with pain!!

For me, the differences between BTD (AB nonie) and NOMAD are tremendous, about cheeses that AB non just can eat 1 porcion a week and I noticed if I increase it I feel badly So I'am on BTD but eating lost of SF (not avoid on BTD)

best wishes...  








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GTD identified the main reason why I did not feel good in BTD - gluten.

I think gluten intolerance was the most important take-away for me from GTD.  Eliminating gluten helped me get past one of those "wellness plateaus".

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Drive, I am really interested to know how you feel when you are back on the BTD diet with the modifications you have outlined. Another interesting thing I forgot about (but now remember again after I read your post): when I was on GTD, my mental clarity was not very good, on BTD - or the variation I am following - my mind is clear again.

I went back to the BTD dairy list over a week ago, and I'm already feeling some improvement in pain from that change.  I think some of the fruits on the GTD were another big problem--those melons!  I'd been eating more fruit on GTD, and I've cut back some and I'm already feeling some improvements in mental clarity.  But, that improvement could also be because I've been getting more sleep lately (because I'm out of work again ).

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I really dont know if your back arthritis problem is so strong, but I work with Nps (at Natural Health Center), and  they say me: When some problem of health is had for many years, not only the food can help to solve them, because they are some nutrients that help to recover and you can't get it from the food,( magnesium, msm , glucosamine, etc.) 'Orthomolecular nutrients' that's why I insist on the topic, so I know for myself experience (old lesion knee) is so hard live with pain!!


Raquel, I already take several supplements, and the cost adds up!  I'm trying to only take what I think is most important right now.  Regarding the back pain: my fifth lumbar vertebra is not shaped correctly, and the disc below that vertebra is worn very thin, like you might expect to see in a man twice my age with arthritis in his back (you should have seen that X-ray, made my back hurt just looking at it).  It's no surprise that inflammation and pain are a problem.  I'm just surprised that BTD was so effective at relieving it!  Now I have hope that, not only can the progress of the arthritis be slowed, but maybe even reversed somewhat, and that with the right diet, my decayed disc might be regenerated a little.  I also have a ligament in my neck that is calcifying, and I hope that process can also now be reversed, or at least slowed.
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Raquel, I already take several supplements, and the cost adds up! .


Drive I know, you love your L-Arginine!!!!

at least, try to added Magnesium Citrate....its not expensive  

sorry if I'm saying  the same post or 'advises'  that you've reading in this forum before  


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at least, try to added Magnesium Citrate....its not expensive  

I do, plus a multivitamin, calcium citrate, l-lysine, gingko, Siberian ginseng, Korean ginseng, schizandra, methyl B12, chlorella, and vitamins C, E, and A.  I think that's everything I take regularly...
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Well, I think that its enough...

Do you have a Naturopath?, or you are taking it by yourself??


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It's just me.  I can't afford the Dr. either.
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I do, plus a multivitamin, calcium citrate, l-lysine, gingko, Siberian ginseng, Korean ginseng, schizandra, methyl B12, chlorella, and vitamins C, E, and A.  I think that's everything I take regularly...


Good grief.  You'll have to get a job just to support your supplement habits.


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Mental Clarity increased 100% on GTD for me.  
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Well I kind of hinted to Drea on another thread, but she didn't get it.. Mine's within a couple of days of hers. Thank you ladies!


I'm so sorry, Diana! I'm horrible with hints; if you want me to know something, the best way is to be direct.  


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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Good grief.  You'll have to get a job just to support your supplement habits.

Yeah.   Fortunately, I'm stocked up pretty well for a while.  Especially on arginine!
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I could have sworn I responded in this thread a while back, but I don't see it.  Hm.  Guess that casts some doubt on my 'increased mental clarity' change on the gtd.

Seriously though, everything is working better for me.  Every system in my body has shown a noticable improvement.  And because of that, everything else I do for myself is just more effective...it's a circle of wonderfulness.

Oh, and for me, gtd + frequent smaller meals = HOLY SMOLY! My system feels SO MUCH BETTER!  (a big part of that circle mentioned above )  And, although I did not have weight loss as a motivation when I started, I have had a 'number' in my head for ages about my ideal weight.  Well, I have now surpassed that so need to get a new number *lol*.  I seriously never thought I could weigh this little and still feel good and feel like I was getting stronger.  

Amazing these ideas about ourselves that we carry around and tell ourselved and believe...I love it when something comes along that blows my 'story' out of the water and leaves room for me to discover my truth.  


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I've got more to add now.  I've noticed for a few days now that I'm back on BTD that I'm not as hungry, and that I tolerate being hungry better.  Sounds like blood sugar issues were coming back a little on GTD.  Once again, I'm blaming the fruit!
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With the blood sugar issues, perhaps you are a gatherer? The gatherer diet is the low-gi one I think...  
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drive55 are you eating some grains black dots on GTD spelt products?


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drive half of mine...I wouldn't do the ginko, you are just too young for that but merely the bacopa or the so called Brahmi .....and yep I'm sure that you are supersensitive on your behalfs, right ....and hear on your belly talkins


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Add me to the list.  My joint pain left on the btd and came back on the gtd.  It is a little better now than when I first made the switch, but I am missing the mental clarity and energy that the btd gave me.

Oh my gosh!  I have been feeling the pains but especially the brain fog and lack of mental clarity for a few weeks now and my over-imaginative mind thought that I had developed a chronic systemic illness! ....but now that I have read this I am hoping that it is part of detoxing.  Does anyone else think this?  How long have others had these symptoms....?  


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Funny I keep thinking I have Fibromyalgia. This is what happened to me recently..

A week ago I attened a conference on medical pain management. It was all day so they fed us lunch. It is the traditional fare for my work place, sandwiches tuna, turkey, ham and chicken
I knew in advance I was going to eat whatever they provided. Bringing your own lunch in this environment would be very odd. So I took the cowards route.
  I ate half of a chicken salad sanwich and half a tuna, I even indulged in one chocolate chip cookie.
My joints bothered me for 4 days after eating this food. I am not sure what part of it was the most offensive to my body. Maybe the chicken maybe the whole wheat bread, or even the mayo. I suspect that one item potentiated the other.
I am glad to be back to my GTD, it took 4 days for my body to get rid of the food.

The acheyness is gone and I will think twice before I indulge in such food again.





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With the blood sugar issues, perhaps you are a gatherer? The gatherer diet is the low-gi one I think...  

I considered that, and it's remotely possible.  I reread the Gatherer info.  Some of it matches up (because I'm a nonnie), some is totally wrong (because I'm skinny and have never had food or dieting issues).  My finger lengths would be the deciding factor between Nomad and Gatherer, and they are the least clear measurement of all.  I fit the Nomad profile well, but I do better with low-GI foods.

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drive55 are you eating some grains black dots on GTD spelt products?

Nope, I'm gluten free (except for a little bit of bread every Sunday at church) since January.

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I wouldn't do the ginko, you are just too young for that.....and hear on your belly talkins

Yes I did hear it!  I think I could do fine without the gingko, but my memory has never been good, AND both grandmothers had dementia, so maybe it's good prevention.
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drive55 I agree with Isa, you are younger for ginko.

I've looked some similar case (type B) like you at my work (I sent you a PM about it) and NP usually recommemded first a 'detoxification liver' with dandelion and Deflect. Did you try it when you start on BTD and before taking all those supplem.?


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drive,
You mentioned honeydew melon as being a superfood for Nomads.  I could not find it on my list at all.

And regarding melons, I do not, not, not do well with any melons, whether cantaloupe, watermelon or any of them.  I feel totally ill when I eat them, so they are not a part of my Nomad diet.  But I feel GREAT on the Nomad diet.

I must say, however, that it took a lot of patience and some time.  I'd say that for at least 6 months, I had an increase in body aches and pains and a lot of emotional storms.  Suddenly, I broke through some transition, and feel that I have dropped 10 years in my age.

I also wanted to add that there is a noticeable lack of magnesium in your supplements, Drive.  It is an inexpensive supplement, and is an important part of the mineral balance.



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drive,
You mentioned honeydew melon as being a superfood for Nomads.  I could not find it on my list at all.


I see Cantaloupe, Musk and Persian melon as Superfoods...

Bitter melon is toxin.

Other melons must be neutral...

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I must say, however, that it took a lot of patience and some time.  I'd say that for at least 6 months, I had an increase in body aches and pains and a lot of emotional storms.  Suddenly, I broke through some transition, and feel that I have dropped 10 years in my age.

I have had an increase in pain, but it is a healing hurt, rather than a hurting hurt...  I know that the detox is happening faster on the GTD than it was on BTD...  This create more "healing crises", but the rewards will be worth it...



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You know, I hadn't thought of that before.  Maybe all this increase of pain a few people are experiencing is actually good.  Maybe if y'all kept with it you'd be like Victoria and come through better in the end.  Maybe the pain is something working its way out.

Then again, Drive, maybe you should try the Gatherer diet for a few weeks and see how you feel.

DH can't eat watermelon.  He said he'll wake up shaking in the morning.  He can eat cantaloupe without any trouble.


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Nope, I'm gluten free (except for a little bit of bread every Sunday at church) since January.




Ha... this has become your thread Drive!  

on the bread thing... are you catholic?
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You know, I hadn't thought of that before.  Maybe all this increase of pain a few people are experiencing is actually good.  Maybe if y'all kept with it you'd be like Victoria and come through better in the end.  Maybe the pain is something working its way out.
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I sure am hoping this is the case Ribbit.  I was in such pain today it was horrid.  
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Hey, I understand.  I just went through a pretty rough week myself.  I'm finally pulling out of it.

Drive is a Mormon.

I am not Catholic, but we have Communion every week too.  But we do it as a full meal like they did in the New Testament, not just bread and wine.


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drive,
You mentioned honeydew melon as being a superfood for Nomads.  I could not find it on my list at all.

I stand corrected, they are a neutral.  Maybe I was confusing them with one of the other listed melons.  At any rate, cantaloupe and honeydew are off-limits for me.  I've never noticed any problem with watermelon (which I love!).  I'd like to try some of the other melons, out of curiosity.

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I'd say that for at least 6 months, I had an increase in body aches and pains and a lot of emotional storms.  Suddenly, I broke through some transition, and feel that I have dropped 10 years in my age.

I have integrated some of the Nomad diet into what I'm doing, so I hope I can still get some of those benefits, even if it takes longer to get there.  I'm just not ready to deal with such a sustained, intense "healing crisis" just yet.

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I also wanted to add that there is a noticeable lack of magnesium in your supplements, Drive.  It is an inexpensive supplement, and is an important part of the mineral balance.

Oops, I forgot to list it.  I take magnesium citrate nightly.

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Ha... this has become your thread Drive!  

on the bread thing... are you catholic?

Sorry, it seems I have hijacked it.   I'm a latter-day saint (aka Mormon), and we take bread and water for Sacrament, which is the Lord's Supper.

Perhaps there were just too many things coming together at once for me to handle GTD at this time.  My main concern has to be maintaining a level of wellness that enables me to be functional.  Between the frequent moves, physically intense job, LOSS of said job, concerns about my next steps, and anticipation of moving yet again, my life is already shaken up pretty thoroughly atm.  GTD was just too much.

I am impressed at how many of you are encouraging me to try it again; that says a lot!  Maybe I can ease into it later (instead of diving in like I did last time) once more things in my life have settled down, and I've repaired my health's foundation.
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It sounds like Shells and I are in the same exploring boat!  I have eased the pain and mental fog by adding some black dot foods into my diet.  Almost off of them were O nonnie bennies and I feel sooooo much better.  My energy came back too... too much.  Yes, too much energy!  LoL!  So I balanced it all out by the amount of black dots vs diamonds/supers.  There seems to be a sweet spot in ratio.  

Try it Shells!  Let me know if it works for you too.


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slyparrot, I just have to do something, as I am not functioning properly at work at the moment and feel quite down  

I was thinking of adding back bananas and eggs as I don't have access to the unusual eggs that are superfoods.  Which black dots do you find help?    
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Mangos, blueberries, avocados, spinach, almond butter and yogurt for dot foods. They help balance me out.  

Lamb, quail eggs, white fish, turkey, carob, artichoke, basmati rice, quinoa, lentils, mozzarella, apples, apple juice, rose hip tea, acai berry juice and raspberries for staples. I ate more veggies on the btd but have not been veggie hungry lately.  Had some broccoli, daikon radish and bok choy. Love cilantro, garlic, ginger and thyme!

I am fortunate that Las Vegas has International grocery markets and a pretty big "china town."  I have tried quail eggs, paneer cheese, cherimoya, jack fruit, dragon fruit and some other interesting things. Goose eggs are hard to find.  Overall, I am having fun trying out new foods.

Does anyone know why rice milk is bad when rice itself is so good in the explorer diet?  I need to replace hemp milk.  Oh, how I miss hemp milk.  


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Mmmmmm.....food for thought!  I really do miss blueberry & banana smoothies and spinach omelettes and remember the energy rush afterwards  

I have replaced almond butter with macadamia butter - much nicer and a superfood.

Thanks for the tips....I'll do a little trial-and-error  
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I believe I am correct in this, slyparrot . . rice milk can be homemade, and it would not be bad, since you have control of the ingredients.  It is impossible to buy a simple rice milk that just contains rice and pure water.



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Thanks Victoria!  Can't wait to make some!


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Drive, if your finger measurements are confusing....remember tie goes to the index=gatherer! You might wanna try the gatherer diet....I believe Don was also a lean and fit gatherer.
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Yess Isa I agree, and BTD nonnie avoids

And also I insist when we start BTD or GTD  NPs usually recommemded first a 'detoxification liver' with dandelion 500mg x 3 daily...
more if there are any sugar, skin, or gluten problems


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I've been taking dandelion tincture off and on for over a year without any change in my skin.


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its better Dandelion Root from Solgar pill 500mg x 3 daily, tinture is soft.
also combined with Deflect (empty stomach)...good to clean too much avoids accumulated before BTD



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Drive, if your finger measurements are confusing....remember tie goes to the index=gatherer! You might wanna try the gatherer diet....I believe Don was also a lean and fit gatherer.

Yep, I know.   I think I am going to just continue on my low-GI version of B-nonnie for now.  BUT, I will do some rereading on the Gatherer diet, and see if there are some parts of it I'd like to use.  I do like cottage cheese....
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Oh, yeah, I'm definitely seeing improvements in my appetite.  I was eating myself broke on the Nomad diet, and always hungry, but much better now.
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BUT, I will do some rereading on the Gatherer diet, and see if there are some parts of it I'd like to use.  I do like cottage cheese....

Drive, just a word of caution: My backache got much worse on the gatherer diet. I think dairy (I only ate the superbeneficials) was the main reason.

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Drive, just a word of caution: My backache got much worse on the gatherer diet. I think dairy (I only ate the superbeneficials) was the main reason.

That's understandable, since you're an O.  I eat significant amounts of dairy already, as a B!
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My lower back pain took a turn for the worse this year. I never linked it to the GTD though. Very interesting.
However, my chiropractor/kinesiologist found no structural/muscular problems that would cause my back pain. He put me on a high dosage probiotic and that improved my back pain no end.
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why are there more problems with GTD? it seems like BTD is more refined than GTD. I understand why an O might need to exercise more like an A, etc, etc. from reading The Dadamo Diet by James Dadamo. but the rest, I don't understand. diets according to body type never work for me for some reason. so maybe if someone can explain it to me, I'd appreciate it.
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can you be more specific?

I have never read James Dadamo's book, yet have followe dr D s reommendations since 97, with great results.......always adapting my lifestyle and diet according to his new findings....
but I am very disciplined and compliant, because that s how I chose to be.


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I'm already so excited with the results and I've only been on plan since Sunday!

Lost 2 lbs and I've gone four consecutive days without a stomachache, that is a huge accomplishment for me and my number one goal of starting this, no more pain!

I'm blown away with how well this is working, even though every meal is scary for me coming off such a restricted and repetitve diet before!





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keep up the good work!


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Quoted from BA1984
why are there more problems with GTD? it seems like BTD is more refined than GTD. I understand why an O might need to exercise more like an A, etc, etc. from reading The Dadamo Diet by James Dadamo. but the rest, I don't understand. diets according to body type never work for me for some reason. so maybe if someone can explain it to me, I'd appreciate it.


I don't necessarily agree with the idea that there are more problems with GTD.  The few posts that are saying that are people who have might have experienced a flare up of conditions.  But there are countless others who have not joined in this particular discussion who are beyond thrilled with the benefits of the GTD.

I had an adjustment period of a few months on the GTD, during which time, I felt extremely uncomfortable.  Then my improvements skyrocketed way beyond what I had ever imagined I could achieve.  The GTD for me has been mind-blowing, but it took some patience, and it was well worth the wait for me.

I have dropped about 10 years from my age, and nearly all of the physical complaints of my adult life have just disappeared.  (And I actually loved the BTD!)  I can't speak highly enough of the genotype approach to life.  It takes some persistence and attention to be sure of testing ones self accurately, and it can throw off the success rate if you don't measure carefully.



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I had an adjustment period of a few months on the GTD, during which time, I felt extremely uncomfortable.  Then my improvements skyrocketed way beyond what I had ever imagined I could achieve.  The GTD for me has been mind-blowing, but it took some patience, and it was well worth the wait for me.

This is what I am hoping will happen with myself.  Being of the Explorer G/T which has problems detoxing, these symptoms could very well be an extreme clean out (including the brain) and eventually leave a smooth running system  
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I'm mostly back to BTD too.  GTD did help my vision improve a bit, and made my skin less dry, but lately I feel like I need some of the O-non beneficials.  They're mostly black dots, so maybe that makes me a black-dot gatherer (minus casein, barley and oats).  Or maybe I'm an O-non plus a bunch of neutral gatherer superfoods, minus most rice.

Oh, I also lost weight really well on the Gatherer plan, but weight loss isn't my primary objective at the moment...immunity is.  I can lose weight pretty well on the O-non plan.

There's a chance I may be able to visit D'Adamo's clinic and get a personalized plan put together.  My husband works fairly often in New Jersey now, so if I tag along I can hop over to CT.


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It makes sense to me that the greatest degree of change that we are expecting from our bodies may be met with the greatest degree of discomfort and bumpy roads for a while.  It takes us a long time to get in the states that we are in.  Our bodies adapt to the unbalanced situations, for the sake of survival.

When we make a drastic change, it takes a while to back out of the place that our body is starting from.  

I first experienced a great increase in the amount of generalized pain and discomfort, followed by a gradual diminishing of pain, followed by a stunning disappearance of pain.



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It makes sense to me that the greatest degree of change that we are expecting from our bodies may be met with the greatest degree of discomfort and bumpy roads for a while.  It takes us a long time to get in the states that we are in.  Our bodies adapt to the unbalanced situations, for the sake of survival.

When we make a drastic change, it takes a while to back out of the place that our body is starting from.  

I first experienced a great increase in the amount of generalized pain and discomfort, followed by a gradual diminishing of pain, followed by a stunning disappearance of pain.


I'm so excited to hear your testimony Victoria. Gives me hope.  2 months now on the GTD and going through all the increased pain stuff and very slow weight loss but hanging in there.  I'm working on decreasing all black dots for awhile to see how I respond.  

BUT my  mental clarity is fantastic and my cravings nil.  One huge thing I'm dealing with is the increased adrenaline affect (Hunter trait), from the good diet, which causes me to be pretty edgy.  I'm working with getting the right balance of Holy Basil going.

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It is so good to hear others' honest experiences.  I had no pain on BTD and terrible pain on GTD....I was about to give up when one day I noticed that the pain moved, yes moved!  It did not get any better or worse but was in a different spot....so I persevered.  Then I noticed the brain fog and inability to concentrate and some short term memory problems.  This really, really scared me because I am watching my father deteriorate with dementia.  My doctor offered to order a brain scan which I haven't had yet.

My worst day was listening to my two excited teens talking fast and I couldn't take in everything they were saying.....that night I cried.

Things have been a little better but I have a long way to go....I hope and pray that my cells are detoxing and genes resetting, afterall Dr. D. did say six months for them to reset.

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Ok, so I've changed my mind.  (Little surprise to you who've been following the forums for the past year )  I'm going to give the Gatherer diet a go, but I'm also going to continue avoiding everything that I'm supposed to avoid on the B-nonnie diet.  I sure will miss my yogurt and fruit, but at least I still have cottage cheese.  I typed up the Gatherer diet last night, and today I will be making the B-nonnie modifications to the list.  I still have fruits and veggies left that are black dots or toxins, so once those are all used up, I will be starting in earnest.

Because the Gatherer diet is mostly low-GI, I have great hopes that it will whip my candida into submission in a way the Nomad diet couldn't.
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Drive are you still with Candida ????

dou you know this:

http://www.suzannes.com/allnatfor90c.html


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the yeast fungus protocol is BT specific
and has been helping many.....but as everything in life, we have to help ourselves at the same time, for things to work out the way we want them to.


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hope GT2 will be the right fit for you!

were you not measured as a nomad before?


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Ok, so I've changed my mind.  (Little surprise to you who've been following the forums for the past year )  .


lol!  You're such a B.


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There seem to be very few type B Gatherers, but my daughter is one:  
B non-secretor!  While she was very resistant to change from her beloved B nonnie food lists, she has never felt better in her life than she does on the Gatherer diet.  She loves it, and loves the way she feels even more!



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hope GT2 will be the right fit for you!

were you not measured as a nomad before?

Well, yes, I measured as a Nomad.  BUT, my finger measurements were the fuzziest on them all.  I clearly have a longer torso and longer upper leg, so fingers are the deciding factor.  If my ring finger is longer on one hand and my index finger is longer on the other, I'm a Gatherer.  My finger length differences were only 2 mm for both hands, which is easily within MY margin of error.

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There seem to be very few type B Gatherers, but my daughter is one:  
B non-secretor!  While she was very resistant to change from her beloved B nonnie food lists, she has never felt better in her life than she does on the Gatherer diet.  She loves it, and loves the way she feels even more!

That's reassuring.  It's just so weird, I have the Nomad fatigue problems, the Nomad fingerprints, and the Nomad personality, more or less.  I'm slightly above average height, and very slender.

On the other hand, even though you can see veins and tendons on my hands and arms, I don't have long, bony hands or that hard, wirey look many skinny men have, so maybe that counts as "padded".

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gatherers do not necessarily have to be padded.....
we do gather all kinds of stuff though!
like Don, he turned out being a gatherer, as well, and not padded at all!


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So, Drive, do you gather things?  Or just move them around?


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I've only been 90 - 99%  compliant for about 7 weeks now so I guess I'm still detoxing.       

I've been kind of going crazy in my mind trying to figure out why I still ache all over at times or have bad indigestion or have brain fog, bad BM's, etc., etc., but the symptoms come and go.

I think the most noticable things have been that some days I have happy energy that is off the hook and then other days I'm crashed (Hunter tendencies?).  

I can only attempt to atribute some of the aches and pains to the weather changes affecting my osteoarthritis which is in my neck and has not been confirmed in my thumb joints (but they hurt like mad at times but the xrays showed nothing - anybody have this?)

Oh and the other thing would be an upset gut... which I know can cause full body inflammation, right?

So how long does detox take?!


I think all of these symptoms may be detox...  I've had them all, and probably more!

I was on BTD for 2 years and now GTD since early Jan. and am still detoxing and healing, so the best answer to "How long" may be "Until it is finished".  Some may take that as a smart alek answer, but I say it in all honesty because each of us has eaten differently, had different accidents and illnesses, taken different remedies (prescription and non), etc.  All of this effects how much toxin was stored in the body and how healthy the body (organs individually and systems as a whole) was when you started the diet...  The detox process can also be influenced by the amount of help you have in determining what systems are sick and how to best heal them...


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So, Drive, do you gather things?  Or just move them around?

I seem to move them around a lot more.
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So the question is, could you be a Gatherer if your stuff is nomadic?


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Hey Ribbit, I'm a Gatherer who loves to move stuff around.  Always finding better ways to arrange things or just because I like to have some change.  I feel I could be quite nomadic at times, given the chance  


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I think I'm a Nomad who just needs a low-GI diet.  I haven't measured any of my possessions to determine their GTs.
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Well Drive, you are doing your own SWAMI


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You sure seem like a Nomad, Drive.  And we all need to tweak our diets; Individuality, after all!

Many of us do that, depending on what our own particular body's got going on.  There are a number of things on the allowed list that I know I'm better off without eating.

Are you going to try eating the Nomad diet, but being your own Swami?  



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Nope, I'm going to try the Gatherer diet.  I'm also going to stay away from the few B-nonnie avoids that aren't dots or toxins on GT2 (cinnamon goes from diamond to toxin, for example).  If the Gatherer diet seems to work well for me, I might drop the B-nonnie avoids.  As much as I feel like a Nomad, this GT2 diet is looking better and better the more I think about it!
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