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Mayflowers
Friday, September 19, 2008, 6:34pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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My eczema on my elbows that I've had for years is gone..since I've been on the GTD!  
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I've only been 90 - 99%  compliant for about 7 weeks now so I guess I'm still detoxing.       When I do eat an avoid or certain of the black dots it's not a happy thing.

I've been kind of going crazy in my mind trying to figure out why I still ache all over at times or have bad indigestion or have brain fog, bad BM's, etc., etc., but the symptoms come and go.

I think the most noticable things have been that some days I have happy energy that is off the hook and then other days I'm crashed (Hunter tendencies?).  

The most beneficial things I've noticed is that I'm not into sweets that much anymore.  Yesterday I had a protein shake for lunch and attempted to eat a few dates.  They were much too sweet.  And as well I don't have any depression happening.

I can only attempt to atribute some of the aches and pains to the weather changes affecting my osteoarthritis which is in my neck and has not been confirmed in my thumb joints (but they hurt like mad at times but the xrays showed nothing - anybody have this?)

And the other thing I can attribute body aches and pains to would be my  hemochrotasis which causes me to hurt all over if my iron is too high which it currently it.

Oh and the other thing would be an upset gut... which I know can cause full body inflammation, right?

So how long does detox take?!  

Overall the benefits have outweighed any strange affects.  And I have to tell you that when I have had a clean eating regime for a period of time and then gone off of it, the body stops hurting for awhile and I sleep better.  But I'm sure this is the drug effect of sugar and flours and other horrid food additives.  
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DH told me today that he likes the Nomad diet.  He didn't appreciate the change of cheese at first, and that was his initial reason for not going on it, but after he got used to it he said he could tolerate Cheddar cheese.  And tonight at supper he said, "I like Cheddar cheese.  It makes me feel good."


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So how long does detox take?!  

Overall the benefits have outweighed any strange affects.  And I have to tell you that when I have had a clean eating regime for a period of time and then gone off of it, the body stops hurting for awhile and I sleep better.  But I'm sure this is the drug effect of sugar and flours and other horrid food additives.  

I can't say how long it can take.  I'm still in the detox process myself.  It's getting better since there are more good days than there were three years ago.


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I don't know, but I bet detoxing comes in stages/plateaus, just like weight-loss for some people.
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Well, I've come to the decision that it's time to go back on the B-nonnie diet.  I have certainly enjoyed the greater variety of foods I could eat on GTD, but I just don't feel as good, especially with my lower back aches.

This afternoon I ate some cantaloupe, a superfood for Nomads but avoid for B-nonnies, and I really felt yucky.  It tasted great, but it was so sweet!  I think cantaloupes (as well as the honeydews I've been enjoying, also Nomad superfood but B-nonnie avoid) are just too hard on my blood sugar.  I think I was feeling my best overall back in May and June, and since starting GTD in July I've been heading the wrong way.  I am going to come up with another "hybrid" diet, to be sure, because some of the Nomad toxins that are BTD neutrals are not good for me (i.e. banana, mango, milk), and many BTD neutrals are elevated to superfood in GTD.

It's been a learning experience, but I don't think I'll be back until I can't get SWAMI done...and heaven only knows when that will happen!
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thought you had gone back long ago!
and you are sure about your measurements, right>
there s no way you might be another GT?


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Well, I've come to the decision that it's time to go back on the B-nonnie diet.  I have certainly enjoyed the greater variety of foods I could eat on GTD, but I just don't feel as good, especially with my lower back aches.

This is interesting, Drive. I had to go back to the O-Nonnie diet, because the GTD (Gatherer) diet made my back pain much worse.

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This is interesting, Drive. I had to go back to the O-Nonnie diet, because the GTD (Gatherer) diet made my back pain much worse.

Yep, it's discouraging.  My back pain was 90% gone on BTD.  It's not as bad as it was pre-BTD, it's worse than when I was just on BTD (maybe 50% improvement over SAD?), and combined with how often I feel "icky" now vs. then, and how my mental clarity has suffered (first thing to go for me when I'm not balanced), that's good enough reason to switch back.
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How weird it all is!  And how discouraging it sounds!  

I was thinking before I read your post Drive and Curious that maybe pain at this time in my life is just something I have to put up with!  I'm trying to write it all off to detox but  

Drive... if you keep using the foods from GTD I don't know if that would make sense because don't you really want to see if those foods are causing your symptoms to flare?  

I'm really confused about it all on my own position after reading your posts.  Have others had to switch back to the BTD?  

P.S.  I just went and re-did the GTD vs. BTD test again and as before still test strong for GTD.  

Drive... what did you test for?

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I test better for BTD.  I'm positive that what I'm feeling isn't detox, either.  What I'm feeling is inflammation from lectins, and blood sugar instability, from eating stuff on the Nomad diet that I was supposed to avoid on the B-nonnie diet.

This is the way I plan on redoing my diet:
1) If it's an avoid for Bs (secretors or nonnies), I will consider it AVOID.
2) If it's an avoid for B-nonnies and neutral for B-sec, I will consider it OCCASSIONAL (allows me to eat more varieties of cheese, in moderation).
3) Of the remaining foods, there will be some personal judgment calls, but most of the GTD toxins and occasionals will end up in the AVOID or OCCASIONAL category.
4) Of those foods still left to consider, if it's a B-nonnie beneficial or a Nomad superfood/diamond, I will probably consider it BENEFICIAL, but there will be some judgment calls there, too.

This will make for an even more restrictive AVOID list than simply the B-nonnie diet, but it will also make a bigger BENEFICIAL list.  Now that I've tried both, I'm keeping what works!  The most important thing for me is to get those type B BTD avoids back out of my diet.
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good luck and don t get things mixed up!


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good luck and don t get things mixed up!

But...that's the whole point!
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ahhh!!  

then have a fun ride! lol


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My back pain was 90% gone on BTD.  It's not as bad as it was pre-BTD, it's worse than when I was just on BTD (maybe 50% improvement over SAD?), and combined with how often I feel "icky" now vs. then, and how my mental clarity has suffered (first thing to go for me when I'm not balanced), that's good enough reason to switch back.

I've had more pain since becoming adjusted to the GTD, but I know it is due to much faster detox...  It is critical for me to pay close attention to the supplement and homeopathic medications to help me process the chemicals that are being removed...

I hope you are able to find a balance that works for you!  I know how tough it is when you feel lost, looking for the answers.


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Drive 55, Did you try protocols arthritis with GTD???

I belive that I asked it before????

its work very well, DEFLECT , MAGNESIUM, etc!!!

good luck!!!


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Nope, I didn't try the protocols.  I'm positive that some of the new foods on GTD are the problem, so I don't see any need to invest in more supplements when I can just make dietary changes.

Honestly, the differences between Nomad and B-nonnie aren't tremendous.  If I was going from Explorer back to B-nonnie, that would be a lot trickier, but since my BTD and GTD are similar, I'm sure that I'm still getting a lot of epigenetic benefit from BTD.  As important as the future is, I live in the present, and I'm just not functioning on a satisfactory level on GTD.  I felt the best I've ever felt in my life during the few months before changing over, and I want that back!

If inflammation and pain are the price I have to pay to get my sluggish Nomad immune system motivated, then I'm saying "no thanks".  I'll have to find other ways to rally the defenses.
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Add me to the list.  My joint pain left on the btd and came back on the gtd.  It is a little better now than when I first made the switch, but I am missing the mental clarity and energy that the btd gave me.  A hybrid diet sounds like a good idea.


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strangely for me, the joint pain (hands) went away on GTD....
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Drive, I am really interested to know how you feel when you are back on the BTD diet with the modifications you have outlined. Another interesting thing I forgot about (but now remember again after I read your post): when I was on GTD, my mental clarity was not very good, on BTD - or the variation I am following - my mind is clear again.
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Great thread...very uplifting.
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GTD identified the main reason why I did not feel good in BTD - gluten.

The main issue I have with the GTD is the 3-6 month compliance. It stresses the .... out of me. So I simply do the GTD with the BTD mind frame. If I have a toxin, especially a black dot, and even more especially a O sec benny, without negative effects every so often, fine with me.



PS I shall wait for SWAMY to go more "restrictive" if I have to
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Nope, I didn't try the protocols.  I'm positive that some of the new foods on GTD are the problem, so I don't see any need to invest in more supplements when I can just make dietary changes.

Honestly, the differences between Nomad and B-nonnie aren't tremendous.


I really dont know if your back arthritis problem is so strong, but I work with Nps (at Natural Health Center), and  they say me: When some problem of health is had for many years, not only the food can help to solve them, because they are some nutrients that help to recover and you can't get it from the food,( magnesium, msm , glucosamine, etc.) 'Orthomolecular nutrients' that's why I insist on the topic, so I know for myself experience (old lesion knee) is so hard live with pain!!

For me, the differences between BTD (AB nonie) and NOMAD are tremendous, about cheeses that AB non just can eat 1 porcion a week and I noticed if I increase it I feel badly So I'am on BTD but eating lost of SF (not avoid on BTD)

best wishes...  








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GTD identified the main reason why I did not feel good in BTD - gluten.

I think gluten intolerance was the most important take-away for me from GTD.  Eliminating gluten helped me get past one of those "wellness plateaus".

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Drive, I am really interested to know how you feel when you are back on the BTD diet with the modifications you have outlined. Another interesting thing I forgot about (but now remember again after I read your post): when I was on GTD, my mental clarity was not very good, on BTD - or the variation I am following - my mind is clear again.

I went back to the BTD dairy list over a week ago, and I'm already feeling some improvement in pain from that change.  I think some of the fruits on the GTD were another big problem--those melons!  I'd been eating more fruit on GTD, and I've cut back some and I'm already feeling some improvements in mental clarity.  But, that improvement could also be because I've been getting more sleep lately (because I'm out of work again ).

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I really dont know if your back arthritis problem is so strong, but I work with Nps (at Natural Health Center), and  they say me: When some problem of health is had for many years, not only the food can help to solve them, because they are some nutrients that help to recover and you can't get it from the food,( magnesium, msm , glucosamine, etc.) 'Orthomolecular nutrients' that's why I insist on the topic, so I know for myself experience (old lesion knee) is so hard live with pain!!


Raquel, I already take several supplements, and the cost adds up!  I'm trying to only take what I think is most important right now.  Regarding the back pain: my fifth lumbar vertebra is not shaped correctly, and the disc below that vertebra is worn very thin, like you might expect to see in a man twice my age with arthritis in his back (you should have seen that X-ray, made my back hurt just looking at it).  It's no surprise that inflammation and pain are a problem.  I'm just surprised that BTD was so effective at relieving it!  Now I have hope that, not only can the progress of the arthritis be slowed, but maybe even reversed somewhat, and that with the right diet, my decayed disc might be regenerated a little.  I also have a ligament in my neck that is calcifying, and I hope that process can also now be reversed, or at least slowed.
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