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I replaced my early evening beverage last week with a beer because it is a Nomad superfood. I looked it up in Typebase and it seems to cover all beer.

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?470

This week I'm replacing it with G-Tea (ginger/ginseng/ginko/green) to see if I notice a difference in how I feel.

My question:  Is it the fermentation/yeast component of beer that would make it good for us because it can be brewed from many different grains. That's what makes me raise an eyebrow.

I trust this information because it comes from Dr.D. I'm just curious what other Nomads have found? I'm talking strictly diet based physical aspects here not personal beliefs about consuming alchohol.  That's a whole different thing.

Specifically which brand of beer might be the best for a Nomad or the type... ale, lager and such?

Anyone have any ideas on this or first-hand knowledge? There are hundreds of brands of beer. I prefer a light lager with lots of lime juice added (both superfoods)  
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I'm curious to know more about beer, too.  I just thought it was the B vitamins in the stout beers that were so good for a person but there might be more to it than that.  I like Guiness Stout, myself.
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Good question. I have yet to drink one yet.  But I'm gonna!  I'll probably start with Leinie's Honey Weiss, if they still make that.  


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I'm going to keep experimenting for the next few months drinking it at least once every couple of weeks (that's how often my husband and I go on dates) and see what I find.  
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Well I started to drink it in January after a 5 year teetotal spell. I decided that I would limit it to 2 or at most 3 a week with no more than 1 in any given night. That is a personal limit I set for myself, not a GTD recommendation. I'll give it a year and see what it does for me. I prefer a good german or mexican beer(in bottles only)and avoid beer that says weiss as that is german for wheat. Don't know that it makes any difference but I prefer barley beer, lagers or ales, don't care for porters or flavored beers myself.
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weiss as that is german for wheat

it is called Weißbier, but weizen means wheat, cause the beer is made at least 50% of wheat, but is called Weißbier, meaning white.


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My Nomad son likes Fat Tire.  It is a dark beer made with hops.

I hate beer.  I like white wine and rum (not mixed together though).


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Okay I have a new word to add to my 20 words of spainish. I remember a year ago having to tell a immigrant worker that was watering a plant next to a live high voltage wire "no agua, carne muerte!" He said "Oh? No more Mexican?".
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My Nomad son likes Fat Tire.  It is a dark beer made with hops.

I hate beer.  I like white wine and rum (not mixed together though).


Like OH MY GOSH. I swear that's the kind I just drank today 1/2 bottle. It's too rich to finish but good. I had it in my fridge because it's my sister-in-laws favorite.  She just came to visit me in Tex from Ohio.  She said she can't find Fat Tire up there in Ohio. She was so happy.

Get otta town... that is kind of a rare beer for you to say that today is such a coincidence.  

I like beer a lot but as a mom I don't really have a chance to drink it a lot. "Hey kids get your own dinner...mommy needs to finish drinking her beer"
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Okay I have a new word to add to my 20 words of spainish. I remember a year ago having to tell a immigrant worker that was watering a plant next to a live high voltage wire "no agua, carne muerte!" He said "Oh? No more Mexican?".


Did he take it personally?  

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Well I started to drink it in January after a 5 year teetotal spell. I decided that I would limit it to 2 or at most 3 a week with no more than 1 in any given night. That is a personal limit I set for myself, not a GTD recommendation. I'll give it a year and see what it does for me. I prefer a good german or mexican beer(in bottles only)and avoid beer that says weiss as that is german for wheat. Don't know that it makes any difference but I prefer barley beer, lagers or ales, don't care for porters or flavored beers myself.


Hey GulfCoastGuy, have you noticed any difference?  My husband buys Corona or Sol or Dos Equis. I put lime juice in there. That's how I've been getting mine because he is a regular beer drinker on the weekends.

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carne muerte!

and very fried!!


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No I don't think he took not being fried personally especially after he saw me hunt down the careless electrician.

No idea about any difference since I started drinking beer again just yet. I do love the taste of a good beer though. I'm just very picky about the variety. Allways have been, Michelob for example will give me instant heartburn with just one sip.
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No I don't think he took not being fried personally especially after he saw me hunt down the careless electrician.

No idea about any difference since I started drinking beer again just yet. I do love the taste of a good beer though. I'm just very picky about the variety. Allways have been, Michelob for example will give me instant heartburn with just one sip.


yeah.. one size probably does not fit all. I wish we had deeper knowledge on the properties and the why's. I too have different reactions to different beers.  

Like "hey dude.. give me some more wheat juice" just doesn't seem right.

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Yeah, especially because Nomads are supposed to be wheat free.  I didn't realize that Weiss meant wheat.  I may have to try something else.

But I don't know if drinking a liquified flavor of wheat is different than eating it.  I would think it's a little different.  You don't have the actual grain running through your bowels.


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I didn't realize that Weiss meant wheat.

It doesn t....Weiß means white


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Oh, now I'm confused.  Anyways, I still have yet to get some beer.  But I think I'm getting closer.  


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I like beer a lot but as a mom I don't really have a chance to drink it a lot. "Hey kids get your own dinner...mommy needs to finish drinking her beer"


Thanks, I needed a laugh.


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I think it's the nutritional yeast in beer that has the beneficial properties. That's my unscientific deduction
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I thought they would use brewer's yeast.  


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I just thought it was the B vitamins in the stout beers that were so good for a person but there might be more to it than that.  I like Guiness Stout, myself.


The Vitamin B is from the yeast mainly. However, a British "Real Ale" straight from the cask is the better choice. Anything canned or bottled has been not only filtred but also pasteurized. Yeast is a living organism remember.
Barring the rare exception in US, you would need to brew your own for the max nutrition.
Also in US the common beers use adjuncts like Rice, Wheat, & ,unfortunatley, even more Corn.



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Yeah, but who actually drinks American-made beers?


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I have.  I live in Beer capitol.  And there are actually some very good high end american brews.  Leinenkugels is one of them.  There are other smaller places you probably never heard of like, Sprecher and East Side Brewery.  Etc.  Some of the big companies even make a pretty good dark beer.  I think Michelob make's one if my memory serves me correct.


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Okay, well, I grew up redneck and I guess I saw people (not my family, we didn't drink at all except my brother when nobody was looking) drink cheap stuff.  But still.....Down here it's different.


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No, it's no different from the teenagers around here either when I grew up. At least I don't think so.  Cheap beer.  I remember the first sip I had I almost gagged.  Was my sister's friend.  They always bought the cheap stuff then.  But usually you mature and drink better beer.  Especially if you really want to get hammered.  Hehehehehhahahahaha.  Well it's true, a Guiness is a lot more potent than a regular Bud.  So that was a look into my pre Christian days for you. It wasn't pretty.  


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Hi Shluggell,

I'm going to try a british "real ale" sometime. I wonder if I'll find it here in the U.S. There are so many to choose from at some of these stores around me. Many from different countries.  

I grew up around fine dining and rednecks. lol. I've tried the whole spectrum from low end to high end-domestic and imported. I prefer imported.    

I have to say Micro-breweries are great too. I was able to tour three different ones in Cleveland, Ohio when I was a conceirge. They were great.  

Is there such a thing as a beer sommelier?  That would be a very interesting job.  
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There are some local organic breweries around here, I’ve picked up some of those beers at Whole Foods for my son.  There are also a couple of beers made for celiacs that WF sells.  


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I found this interesting link regarding beer and the ingredients.

Just this past Saturday we attended our friends grand opening and I tried Peroni italian beer.  It was pretty good.

I just looked it up and it is brewed with corn & barley though. I wonder if the lectins are destroyed in the brewing process.

http://www.ratebeer.com/Search.asp
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I can't help... only *irish stout* nearly the same then Guiness
but sooooo lekker but not often.... that makes fat ..... meep-meep....


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hello dearle...We don't want fat do we? no no no
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hello dearle...We don't want fat do we? no no no


Oh.... I do... at least a little in all the right places.  





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When I was visiting my parents and brothers in NJ, my older brother had me try a Leinenkugel's
Summer Shandy.  Now that was some tasty beer for hot weather.  Have you ever had one?  Can't say it's good for you, but I sure did like it, and I am not a beer drinker!
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...I have to say Micro-breweries are great too. I was able to tour three different ones in Cleveland, Ohio when I was a conceirge. They were great.  

Is there such a thing as a beer sommelier?  That would be a very interesting job.  


THere is an American Hotel chain who hired the first "Beer Ambassador" over a year a go - He still has his job.
Here in the UK they are starting such things as a beer list with the menu to recommend specific ales for a particular dish.
Haven't heard what the position would be called though?
They do sell a bit of Real Ales on the East Coast & some homebrew clubs have their own handpumps these days...
As for what you can buy off the shelf in US the closest you will probably get is Samuel Smith's 'Oatmeal Stout' or 'Newcastle Nut Brown' or Wychwood Beers. But I do reccommend finding the Lagunitas beers from Petaluma, CA. Guinness 'Foreign Extra Stout' from Nigeria or Kenya. I recently heard word that Brew Dog is exporting to the states.
The Guinness in US is a poor example of the real McCoy, unless you feel like getting ripped off, and buying the Bottle Draft.



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thanks shluggell,

I'm going to write down these beer recommendations. Have you heard about ginger beer? I can't find any information on it.

you aquarius' sure know how to bring the water.  Oatmeal water in this case.  
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Microbrew beers are everywhere in the Pacific Northwest so good beer is readily available to this Nomad... but I stopped drinking them years ago because I was getting horrible hangovers after just one pint. (I don't drink that often so I have a low tolerance.)

I switched to only drinking red wine and never have had a hangover reaction like I had from beer, but I am thinking about trying a pint again since they are diamonds for Nomads (and since I have cut out my negative foods it might be different this time).


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I bought some and I never drank it.  I have one chilling in my refrigerator and now I think I'm a teacher.  Although you know, I don't think it's listed as an avoid.  Maybe it's neutral.  I'll have to check that out.


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... but I stopped drinking them years ago because I was getting horrible hangovers after just one pint. (I don't drink that often so I have a low tolerance.)...


There are some reasons that this is so - The vast majority of of beers in US, even the Microbrews, are fizzy, pressurized and pumped through the lines. To do this the beer is filtred (& or pasteurized) thus realistically it is a malt soup. And with the costs of Stainless Steel many kegs and Mash Tuns are from Aluminium.
What is temed as Real Ale here in UK is straight from the Secondary-Fermantation vessel. Not filtred or pasteurized, thus still living.
For the most part in US to get the equivalent you would have to brew your own and drink straight from carbuoy skipping the bottling. Which done like this - I have personally witnessed virtually no untoward behaviour from our guests back in the day of our college parties.
Bottom-Line: Refuse to drink beverages from cans or plastic bottles. Yes it is convenient, but that is all.



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There are some reasons that this is so - The vast majority of of beers in US, even the Microbrews, are fizzy, pressurized and pumped through the lines. To do this the beer is filtred (& or pasteurized) thus realistically it is a malt soup. And with the costs of Stainless Steel many kegs and Mash Tuns are from Aluminium.
What is temed as Real Ale here in UK is straight from the Secondary-Fermantation vessel. Not filtred or pasteurized, thus still living.
For the most part in US to get the equivalent you would have to brew your own and drink straight from carbuoy skipping the bottling. Which done like this - I have personally witnessed virtually no untoward behaviour from our guests back in the day of our college parties.
Bottom-Line: Refuse to drink beverages from cans or plastic bottles. Yes it is convenient, but that is all.



AH HA! Thank you for the insight. That helps solve the mystery!


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I found this listing in a gluten-free handbook and thought some of you might be interested... some of the American beer listings look like they are microbrews from the area where this book is published (somewhere in the heart of the midwest).

Gluten Free Beer

AMERICAN

Anheuser Busch - Redbridge Beer

Bard’s Tale Beer - Dragon’s Gold Gluten Free Beer

Lakefront Brewery - New Grist Beer

Old Hat Brewery - Bees Knees

Ramapo Valley Brewery - Passover Honey Lager

IMPORTED

Bi-Aglut - Special 76 Lager (Italy)

Brauerei Griekirchen AG - Beer Up Glutenfrei Pale Ale (Austria)

Carlsberg Brewery - Saxon Premium Lager (Finland)

Fine Ale Club - Against the Grain (England)

Glutaner - Glutenfrei Pils (Belgium)

Green’s - Discovery, Explorer, Herald Pioneer, Trailblazer (England)

Hambleton - GFB, GFL (England)

Hambleton’s Ale - Pale Ale (England)

Koff - Lager, Taytelainen, Kevytolut (Finland)

Laitilan - Kukko Pils III Lager, Kukko Tumma III Dark Lager (Finland)

Les Bieresde la Nouvelle France - La Massagere Pale Ale (Canada)

Liebhart’s Privatbrauerai - Bio-Reis-Gold, Bio-Reis-Gold Dunkel (Germany)

O’Brien - Bown Ale, Pale Ale, Premium Lager (Australia)

Schnitzer Brau - Glutenfrei Bier (Germany)

Silly Yaks - Aztec Gold (Australia)


Also of note.... I heard that the Belgian Brewery Stella Artois just purchased Budweiser... could that be true???  




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Ah! But does glutein free mean that they use corn instead? Since beer is a beneficial for Nomads I assume that Dr. D has taken any glutein contamination into account.
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maybe hops and barley.....


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Have you heard about ginger beer? I can't find any information on it.


Stefina,

Here is one ginger beer brewer's site...
http://www.reedsgingerbrew.com/brews.php


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...Also of note.... I heard that the Belgian Brewery Stella Artois just purchased Budweiser... could that be true???  


Not Stella Artois, BUT http://www.InBev.com {InBev has owned the majority of commercial beers in EU already}. So now we have the largest producer/distributor of beverages on the planet...
I can almost count on my fingers the day that the real Budweiser will no longer be available in the UK...

It is Four Points by Sheraton {USA} that has the position Chief Beer Officer {Scott Kerkmans}. Whom also had the role this year of selecting the 1st 'Best Brews Summer Intern' {Dan Suarez}...


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Practicing "Nomadism" since May, I've bought some different beers, mostly lagers. They've served me well on very hot days, and I find that their "weight loss" benefit is probably because they're so FILLING.


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Hey, we're in a heat wave in San Francisco; it's supposed to hit 90 tomorrow, about 20 degrees above the "norm" for here. It's a good thing there's a 6-pack of Heineken in the kitchen.


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