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Now good?  It's kind of confusing.  I have several foods now that I can eat that I wasn't supposed to as an AB.  Or the vice versa can be true.  

My Mom wanted to know also.  I'm taking on faith that Dr.D is correct.  And that is not hard to do considering I think he knows what he's talking about.  BUT, it still doesn't make any sense.


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Now good?  It's kind of confusing.  I have several foods now that I can eat that I wasn't supposed to as an AB.  Or the vice versa can be true.  

My Mom wanted to know also.  I'm taking on faith that Dr.D is correct.  And that is not hard to do considering I think he knows what he's talking about.  BUT, it still doesn't make any sense.


ABNoWay, we have been 'round and 'round this bush since the GTD was published!! I never had any doubts whatsoever because I was already having problems with the "problem" foods. Of course, I'm older and more apt to notice when things are not agreeing with me. You will get it all worked out eventually!
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It is like taking a strand of thread first you had  had four strands  but if you separate them further you can  make six.
  
Those strands are alike but not the same anymore.

Not sure if you can get a visual on that... but the 6 strands were there all along you just couldn't see them as clearly, untill they were separated.
So the strentghs/weakness of the strands changed.

Confusing?


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Quoted from JJR
Now good?  It's kind of confusing.  I have several foods now that I can eat that I wasn't supposed to as an AB.  Or the vice versa can be true.  

My Mom wanted to know also.


Some people concerned with this issues have found Dr. D's Blog on themes helpful.



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Some people concerned with this issues have found Dr. D's Blog on themes helpful.


No offense meant to Dr's blog at all, but that didn't clear anything up for me at all. I don't see how rice can be an avoid for me if following the Diabetic book, but a superfood on the Hunter diet. I'm w/ you ABNoWay.  



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No offense meant to Dr's blog at all, but that didn't clear anything up for me at all. I don't see how rice can be an avoid for me if following the Diabetic book, but a superfood on the Hunter diet. I'm w/ you ABNoWay.  


if you were a hunter with diabetes the rice value could change to an infrequent neutral and I think if you want a truly personal customized diet to take into consideration your particular health circumstance then you would need to look here http://www.4yourtype.com/level4.asp For Dr D to do 6.5 billion different diets in one book would be impossible.

If you look at the link I sent you and follow the number from 1 to 4 I think you will get a sense how certain genes on top of blood and secretor type genes and their "volumes" would change food values.

Otherwise...start slow and listen to your body...I hate black strap molasses because it doesn't agree with me so I don't eat it even if it's beneficial


Here's an example of a BTD/GT customized diet

http://www.dadamo.com/SWAMI%20GenoType%20__%20Jane%20Public.pdf


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right, we have to use common sense when transitioning toward our GTDs.


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right, we have to use common sense when transitioning toward our GTDs.

I also find it helpful to think that while there were several Genotypes all making use of the A type diet,(eg some Teachers, some Explorers and some Warriors) there were bound to be generalizations and blurred boundaries which have now been clarified. For instance, when I was on the A diet and eating quite a lot of chicken I was setting myself up for some stomach irritation which has been removed now that my pathway of Warrior has broken away from the generalized A diet.Science has moved on, Dr D. being our torchbearer, and we being the masses following as close as possible behind.




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I agree Jenny.  It's just a little confusing.  Because if a food upsets your stomach, that doesn't necessarily mean it's bad for you.  Maybe you're just not used to it.  If you introduce something into your body that you haven't ate for a while it might take some adjusting.  So using that as a guide, might not always be correct.  And there were a lot of foods that never bothered me, that I had to stay away from on the AB diet.  Maybe that explains why I can have some of them now.  I don't know.  But when you're eating something now that used to "agglutinate with your blood", it's a little disconcerting.  Or it used to "raise polyamine or indican levels."  If it did that, how is it not doing it now?

I do admit, it's probably just that the science of it is over my head.  The blood thing was a little more tangible.  Either that or the cookies were on the lower shelf more with the blood type diet.  If you know what I mean.  I'm not trying to say anything bad, I'm just trying to understand.  I'm sure I will with time.  


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C Sharp, that blog did actually help a little.


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I agree Jenny.  It's just a little confusing.  Because if a food upsets your stomach, that doesn't necessarily mean it's bad for you.  Maybe you're just not used to it.  If you introduce something into your body that you haven't ate for a while it might take some adjusting.  So using that as a guide, might not always be correct.  And there were a lot of foods that never bothered me, that I had to stay away from on the AB diet.  Maybe that explains why I can have some of them now.  I don't know.  But when you're eating something now that used to "agglutinate with your blood", it's a little disconcerting.  Or it used to "raise polyamine or indican levels."  If it did that, how is it not doing it now?

I do admit, it's probably just that the science of it is over my head.  The blood thing was a little more tangible.  Either that or the cookies were on the lower shelf more with the blood type diet.  If you know what I mean.  I'm not trying to say anything bad, I'm just trying to understand.  I'm sure I will with time.  

I truly believe that I would need to do at least a four year science degree in genetics to even begin to understand the science behind this program, so I am not going to even try, just enjoy the benefits. Re the direct contradictions that you mention above AB (eg raise polyamine levels etc), it seems possible to me that some food on the new diet continues to do this, but that the super and diamond aspects have been found to override or be more important than the problems in each case.
Incidently on the BTD I used to think that avoiding the avoids was the primary motto, but now on the GTD I act from the premise that focussing on the diamonds and supers is the primary motto.A subtle difference, but I think it has an effect on the shopping list. (I don't have room at the moment for neutrals at all, too much on the left hand column to play with)




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It's a matter of 'food combiantions,' GTD-style!
When you eat the right foods & avoid the avoids, your body will work properly. It may take some time to 'reset' your genes, as Dr. D said, but in 3 to 6 months of compliance, it will work!!!
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PS I quit eting oatmeal quite a few years ago, but on Monday had some & felt better afterwards. Apparently, the genes are getting reset & I can have oatmeal once in a while. I don't plan to overdo it, but once a month might be another tiny addition of variety to the diet.


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Yes.  Exactly.  My genes were reset so that I can again enjoy wheat and some dairy.  On the BTD I could eat neither.  But somehow on the GTD, after several months of very strict compliance, I'm able to tolerate them.  The funny thing to me about the wheat especially is that it takes me a week to eat a loaf of bread, which is insane for me.  Before, given the opportunity, I'd eat a loaf in a day and have no control over it.  One piece would strike up such a craving in  me that I wouldn't be able to stop.  Now I eat one piece and enjoy it and have no desire for another until the next day.  Occasionally I'll eat two pieces in one day, but it's no longer an addiction.  I don't understand it, I just know it's different now.  And amazing.  Absolutely amazing.  And I can eat one slice of cheese and say, "That's pretty good stuff," and call it quits.  Before I would have sat there and needed to eat the entire block to be satisfied, but instead of being satisfied I'd be bloated, gassy, feeling guilty, dizzy and spend the next day on the potty.  No troubles now.  I do occasionally have a stomach ache, but I attribute that to Candida die-off.  


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if you were a hunter with diabetes the rice value could change to an infrequent neutral


If one is a Hunter w/ diabetes or blood sugar issues, wouldn't they need to follow the Diabetic book, thus putting them back on BTD?  



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I do not know if this is correct per se but the way I make sense of it is I look at the 2 diets (and the health series books) each as a separate system, and that it is the interaction of all the parts of the system together that "works". So it is the combination of foods together that produces the positive changes... which perhaps has a nullifying effect on some of the individual foods that seem to be in conflict within the different systems.... if that makes any sense.


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you can keep track of the diabetes food values and adapt those to your hunter GTD.


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It may be helpful to think about it as different means for different ends.  

If you are finding yourself in a disaster zone surviving the next day takes priority over the long-term impact of whatever food might be available to you.  

If you have cancer overcoming that takes priority over the medium to long-term impact of any foods that will help you achieve that.

If your quality of life is severely reduced because you suffer with allergies you sort your allergies and then you worry about what happens in 20 years time.

If your main health concerns and family history are weight/cancer related you may be better off on GTD, with other concerns you may be better off on BTD - that's my non-scientific interpretation of it all anyway  

  
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Thanks guys.  That helps.  I'll have to have my Mom read this.  She said since she switched to the gatherer diet, she is already feeling better than she was.  And she was feeling pretty good to begin with.  I also have been feeling a little better lately. I still need to delve into a few of my new foods I can have, but I'm getting there.  I'm eating more eggs.

Ribbit, I must be dense but this is the first I even realized you were on the GTD.     The large "WARRIOR" under your name should have been a clue. I'm not surprised that you are a warrior though.  The only thing I do envy you about is the bread.  I can't have any wheat.  But I have my millet and flax bread.  Good stuff!


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you can keep track of the diabetes food values and adapt those to your hunter GTD.


this would be considered combining the two diets, which Dr D specifically says not to do.  



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The way I feel about either of these diets is that major health problems, whether it is diabetes or cancer or even pregnancy, which, of course, is NOT a health problem (!), trumps everything else in certain ways, period. The issues of each one have to be taken into consideration. I don't think anyone would expect everyone to be on a diabetic's diet simply because some do have this problem, whether it is the BTD or the GTD. There are some supplements that are NOT recommended for pregnant women which Dr. D. points out, whatever blood type they have.

There is another issue too. Even for those of us who are not aware of having serious health issues, if we don't indulge in a wide spectrum of the foods Dr. D. recommends for either diet, they will not yield the results he would want. For instance, some foods counteract the bad effects of certain things in other foods. The polyamines are one thing that comes to mind. There is no way to avoid an overload considering the food supply we are dealing with if we don't balance them with what he recommends.
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I'm not surprised that you are a warrior though.  The only thing I do envy you about is the bread.


What do you mean you're not surprised I'm a Warrior?  Am I warrior-like?  Is that what you're saying?  Huh?  Huh?   I'm really more a Teacher and I thought I would measure as one.  My fingerprints and temperament are not Warrior-like, but I measure slightly more as one.  I'm still toying with the idea of trying the Teacher diet to see what I think, but I'm enjoying the Warrior diet so much right now that I don't want to mess with it.

About the bread, you have to understand that I was wheat-free for 10 years and gluten-free for a couple of years also.  It's not like I went from the SAD to the BTD then switched to the GTD and could suddenly eat wheat again.  My system's been pretty clean for a long time now.  It's had a long rest.


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Interesting thread. All very good points. Very nice to see how you all reached your conclusions.


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What do you mean you're not surprised I'm a Warrior?  Am I warrior-like?  Is that what you're saying?  Huh?  Huh?   I'm really more a Teacher and I thought I would measure as one.  My fingerprints and temperament are not Warrior-like, but I measure slightly more as one.  I'm still toying with the idea of trying the Teacher diet to see what I think, but I'm enjoying the Warrior diet so much right now that I don't want to mess with it.

About the bread, you have to understand that I was wheat-free for 10 years and gluten-free for a couple of years also.  It's not like I went from the SAD to the BTD then switched to the GTD and could suddenly eat wheat again.  My system's been pretty clean for a long time now.  It's had a long rest.



I was thinking more along the lines of things you could eat, not how you acted.  Just from reading your posts about what works for you and what doesn't.  I can't point to any one thing, but for some reason it didn't surprise me.

If your measurements are a Warrior, why would you want to change?  I thought that the measurements were the main deal?


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Interesting thread. All very good points. Very nice to see how you all reached your conclusions.



I've concluded I'm totally lost.  But eating my diet anyways.  


Where's your GTD sign in your profile?  Is that the wrenches and such or is that because your the fixer?  


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I've concluded I'm totally lost.  But eating my diet anyways.  


Where's your GTD sign in your profile?  Is that the wrenches and such or is that because your the fixer?  


He is a Warrior, AB. It is right there in your book. I think once you give up trying to understand all the nuts and bolts for now, you will suddenly be concentrating more on how much better you are feeling! Then, and only then, will you understand the real meaning of the word AMAZING!
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If your measurements are a Warrior, why would you want to change?  I thought that the measurements were the main deal?


Well, because I was just barely measuring a Warrior.  Actually, I remember being able to change the outcome of my leg measurement based on where I positioned my foot.  I was really on the edge of Warriorhood/Teacherhood.  I went with Warrior because my Teacher strength test was 0 even though I could measure that way if I tried hard enough.  But I identified a lot with the brain of a Teacher.  And I consider myself a teacher at heart.  Not that the actual names mean anything.  


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I gotcha.  My sister was the same way.  Her, I was totally frustrated trying to measure her because she liked has ties on all levels.  1/2" difference in Torso and Leg ratio, we kept getting different readings on her fingers, and her legs were almost exact and I was trying to make sure I was doing it right.  There are two bones that stick on on your upper shins and I wasn't sure which one was right.  I know for sure now, after watching the video, but even still.  I don't think she's going to go on it at this point anyways.  But we'll probably go through it again sometime.

My wife is a teacher and she's still on the fence about if she wants to switch.  She still thinks the GTD is more about losing weight, but I need to get her to read the Teacher profile to understand more.  Her family has a history of cancer all throughout her family.  Both sides.  Dad, Grandma, Aunt, etc.


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