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JJR
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Another thing that is interesting that has to do with Lola's post is that my daughter tested out really well for the Polyflora.  I had ordered the B Polyflora and brought it with me.  It tested real good as well.(ab poly)  And this time the gal wrote down to take it away from meals.  That may make a difference, because I was taking it with my meals.  But, interestingly, last time I tested real good for nitricycle and now I didn't need it.  And Lola's link said the Polyflora will help make it.  I wonder if that's why I don't need it any longer.  I don't need intrinsa any longer either.  At this point.  I'll take them back next time I go to retest for them.  

I'm kind of excited about this GTD!!!!


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"Finally brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things." - Phillipians 4:8

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I m looking forward on hearing your progress!
congratulations!


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I m looking forward on hearing your progress!
congratulations!


This is the kind of thing that makes all your hard work worthwhile, right, Lola?!
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it sure is a pleasure!


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Caz, are you doing the GTD?  What about you ribbit?  


At the moment I'm trying to go wheat free, I can't even say I'm following the BTD because the fatigue is making it hard to cope with the dietary changes (ie preparing things that I can eat)

I would like to follow the GTD but I'm totally depressed about the available fruit on the Gatherer diet.  We are just about to go into Winter here and there is almost nothing that I can have.  I also have the BTD Fatigue book  - so I want to get my act together enough to follow those guidelines for a while.

On another note - I am so excited for you, it seems you are finding out a lot that will help you with your health.  I can't wait to read of your progress.

Best wishes and God bless
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I m looking forward on hearing your progress!
congratulations!



Lola, is this a surprise to you about the Nomad thing?  You're the one who had me thinking I'm an explorer.  Plus, I still tested good for Artichoke Leaf Extract.  But seems to me my Doc says it's not the same thing as eating an artichoke.  I don't know.  But Nomad's aren't supposed to have artichokes either.  Like I said, I'm pretty darn sure I did the measurements correctly.  I have white lines through all of my fingerprints.  I think I have some ulnar loops but I'm not exactly sure what that means yet totally.  I'll look.  And his whole story in the book is about a girl that had terrible fatigue.  Which is supposedly a trait of a Nomad.  Well I can relate to that.  I am skeptical of adding in the certain meats for Nomads like liver.  I've just been used to staying away from any red meats, besides a little lamb, that I'm kind of worried. Plus, I'm not exactly sure when I'm going to start this change.  Alot of the foods carry over anyways.  I can still have my Blackstrap molasses.  I can't really tell the status of Ezekiel Bread, but a Nomad is supposed to be gluten or wheat free it appears.

CazB, I'm really sorry to hear that.  I'll be praying for you.  I hope you figure something out to help you!!!!!!  It sounds like we have both had problems at similar times in life because were almost the same age.  I think I've said this before but, sorry.  I didn't look at the gatherer diet.  I'll have to see what you are challenged with.


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measurements give us the final verdict!
all GTs have a certain detox issue to them during the resetting time.....I think it s wonderful you found out your real GT through measuring!


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ABNW, the whole "testing" thing is kind of interesting.  I tested allergic to dairy 10 years ago, but it also tested good for me.  I couldn't figure out how that worked and neither could the man who tested me.  He just suggested I not eat it.  That has been confusing to me ever since.  But not anymore.  On the BTD I could not eat either dairy nor wheat because of all the problems it caused.  I can now eat both with no trouble.  I was skeptical about the GTD because I didn't measure obviously one genotype.  I'm more a Teacher, but I measure only slightly more a Warrior.  So after debating and discussing, I went with Warrior, thinking after a few months I might try the Teacher diet and see what happens.  But I've been happy enough with the Warrior diet that I haven't even looked twice at the Teacher list.  I might, at a later date, try it just to see how things go, but right now I'm a happy Warrior.  I'm losing weight slowly but surely (I'm down to 130--my prepregnancy weight--which is quite a feat I must say, with this being  my 3rd and she's just shy of a year old.  And that with no deliberate exercise).


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It looks like Ezekiel bread would be a black dot food since  Essene/Mana bread and sprouted wheat are both black dots. Have you tried the flax bread recipe that is floating around the board? It might be a good substitue for you. When I make it for my family I use 1 c. brown rice flour in place of one of the cups of ground flax. They like it better that way and it still bakes up perfectly. It is super easy and quick to make. I have not tried it yet because it has too many black dots in it for an Explorer but I hear it really good, especially when made into French Toast  

I hope the Nomad diet will help with your health issues.



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Thank you Lola, and Heidi.  I'll have to check out the flax one!!!

Ribbit, I know what you mean.  My son is supposedly highly allergic to fish, but he muscled tested really well for Cod Liver Oil.  I told them the issue and they found different oils to give him.  I think it's evening primrose and something else.  I'd have to look at the sheet.  But anyways, congrats on the weight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  130 seems pretty light.  I feel like a feather weight and I'm a little more than you.  Although my wife says it looks good, so I'm not sweating it at this point.  At least I'm not still losing.  

I have a feeling some families are going to be adding more kids if they study this diet together.  I never had an easier time getting my wife to take her pants off!!!!!!!  (measured her legs).  OK, too much info, I know.  But I'm telling you, this diet has the potential for doing that with husband and wives!!!!!!!!  


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Now we also have proof that the GTD increases your sense of humour as well as everything else!
ps what does your doc. think of what you are now doing?



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So you're a Nomad?  Neat.  And you say you're only a little bit over 130 yourself?  The book says that short Nomads tend to be more asymmetrical.
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Ok Drive, now I'm confused!  Are you saying that AB is short?  Have I missed something?  He was saying he is 130 pds, wasn't he??  

Oh, wait a minute - are you being cheeky??

I'm going now, probably need something to eat to get my brain in gear  


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CazB, what he's saying is Dr.D said Nomad's, when taller, are usually symmetrical.  I am asymmetrical.  My left arm is a hair shorter and I'm missing my major pectoral muscle on my left side.  You can't really tell, but once I told you, you'd know if you were around me.  If I was real beefy with a pig Pec, it would really be evident.  But I'm pretty slender.  Especially now.  I'm only 5'8".  That's not tremendously small, but there I don't know a whole lot of people that are shorter than I.  Dr.D also said Nomads when smaller, tend to be more asymmetrical.  I'm sure drive knows this because he has probably read the Nomad stuff.  Seeing how he is one.  

Drive, also, I strength test very high for a Hunter from what I can tell. But it's impossible for me to even be one.  Strange.  Didn't you say you had hunter tendancies or was it warrior?  

Jenny, I just emailed the Doc about the Genotype.  His assistant said go for it.  I'm just making sure with him, but I'm hoping the answer is yes.  I see you're the only one that wanted to even address my off color comment.  Although I think it's true.  


Also, can anyone tell me how on God's green earth Beer could be a Diamond SuperFood for anybody?


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CazB, what he's saying is Dr.D said Nomad's, when taller, are usually symmetrical.  I am asymmetrical.  My left arm is a hair shorter and I'm missing my major pectoral muscle on my left side.  You can't really tell, but once I told you, you'd know if you were around me.  If I was real beefy with a pig Pec, it would really be evident.  But I'm pretty slender.  Especially now.  I'm only 5'8".  That's not tremendously small, but there I don't know a whole lot of people that are shorter than I.  Dr.D also said Nomads when smaller, tend to be more asymmetrical.  I'm sure drive knows this because he has probably read the Nomad stuff.  Seeing how he is one.  




Ok now I get it - der!  I haven't read the nomad profile but I will get to it.  Sooner, rather than later now  


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Caz, We're pretty sure my Mom is a Gatherer also.  I forgot to look at the fruits though.  Sorry about that.  Yeah, it's hard to know everyone's info.  There's even more than the BTD!!!!  


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I have a feeling some families are going to be adding more kids if they study this diet together.  I never had an easier time getting my wife to take her pants off!!!!!!!  (measured her legs).  OK, too much info, I know.  But I'm telling you, this diet has the potential for doing that with husband and wives!!!!!!!!  

WIVES!!! How many have you got??? After that comment I'm not sure I should let you in on the rest of this post...looks like you may have already figured it out for yourself...
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Also, can anyone tell me how on God's green earth Beer could be a Diamond SuperFood for anybody?

Simply put:
A long time ago, doesn't matter if you have a young Earth or an old one, it was found that:
In wine there is wisdom.
          In beer there is fun.
                    In water there are bacteria, prescription drugs, herbicide & pesticide run off, etc.,etc.,etc.

So, which shall we have? Wine or Beer?  
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Well I never.....

Just kidding.

Yeah, sounds good about the beer!  If I do this diet, I probably won't drink much, but I will have one now and again.  I think.  I'm kind of worried.  I haven't had one in a long time.  I had a sip or two of red wine on Easter.  But not very much!!!


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Maybe you would find this previous thread helpful.
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We have plenty of whine around here.  Make mine tall and red!

ABNW, are you thinking of more???  Or is your wife?  You know, I have plenty of friends who, after their youngest gets to be 4 or 6 or 8, suddenly they realize life just got a whole lot easier and they start thinking about little ones again.


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My wife always wants more.  God made the first two happen.  Because I wanted kids but I kept putting off when.  "A little longer, little longer".  My wife was on the pill when she got pregnant both times.  maybe she forgot to take it.  I don't know.  She says, that's not the case.  He had this saying when we were kids, "Accidentally Purposely".  I don't know if that was it or not but now, I just had felt so terrible this last year and a half, just going through the labor would be crushing.  FOR ME!!!!!!  And I'm not doing barely any work!!!!!!!!!!!!  I know it's hard on you gals, but it isn't easy on us either.  The worry, the grabbing of my hands every 2 minutes and squeezing with strenght I've never seen her have.  The middle of the night leaving the house (both times).  Frankly, it scares the you know what out of me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


BTW, the nutritionist in the Doctors office said go for the Nomad thing!!!!!!  She said just keep track if anything seems to flare you up and they can muscle test me on that item.  Oh yeah!!!!!!!!!  Venison now appears to be a neutral.  YEEEEEEHAAAAAWWWWWW!!!!!  And then there's these other meats that I can have.  Moose!!!!  Emu!!!!  Ostrich!!!!!  Liver... well, I'll probably try it.

I've been eating cottage cheese lately, now I have to give that up though!!!!!  

Oh well, I'm excited!!


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[quote=2879] I know it's hard on you gals[quote]

You have NO idea.


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I know it's hard on you gals


You have no idea.


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Cmon, give me some slack.  I've had kidney stones!!!!!  


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I actually think kindney stones are more painful. At least with labor, you know it will be over. I have had pain worse than labor. But, still labor is a strange thing. Why does it hurt so much? Yet, women keep wanting kids!!
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