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Spring, the test that showed I have no GSTM1 IS a detoxigenomic Profile.  It IS a genetic test.  If I'm seeing it right, it says I have GSTP1, which is in your skin and brain, which I believe is glutathione-s-transferase.  But the GSTM1 is in your liver and kidneys and the test says it's absent.  DUE TO GENETICS.  Handed from my Mom and Dad.  As I understand it, it's absent from the beginning to the end, therefore it's not there, hasn't been there and I believe won't be there, short of a miracle.  Therefore he's going to muscle to test me for a Gel of Glutathione to take.  Again, it seems I have it in my brain and skin, which is good, but I don't think it can make a jump to the liver and kidneys.  That's how I understand it.

Drive, I hear what you're saying.  See above.  But the point is taken.  I understand that it can help vitalize what you got to work better.

  I also don't want to lose any more weight.  However, I don't know if it would change it that much, that I would lose more weight.


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ABnoway,
you ask, what can you take for heavy metal detox? I once had this problem, tho a gatherer, (work related) and was put on high doses chlorella and cilantro, and the explorer diet has cilantro and garlic, and thyme, as diamonds.....hope you like cilantro, I love it! Its a super detox herb. Also fish oil (prescribed by naturopath, not sure what Dr. D. feels on that)
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Spring, the test that showed I have no GSTM1 IS a detoxigenomic Profile.  It IS a genetic test.  If I'm seeing it right, it says I have GSTP1, which is in your skin and brain, which I believe is glutathione-s-transferase.  But the GSTM1 is in your liver and kidneys and the test says it's absent.  DUE TO GENETICS.  Handed from my Mom and Dad.  As I understand it, it's absent from the beginning to the end, therefore it's not there, hasn't been there and I believe won't be there, short of a miracle.  Therefore he's going to muscle to test me for a Gel of Glutathione to take.  Again, it seems I have it in my brain and skin, which is good, but I don't think it can make a jump to the liver and kidneys.  That's how I understand it.

Drive, I hear what you're saying.  See above.  But the point is taken.  I understand that it can help vitalize what you got to work better.

  I also don't want to lose any more weight.  However, I don't know if it would change it that much, that I would lose more weight.


Dr. D. says in the encyclopedia that L-glutathione supplements are good for liver support for all types plus detoxification for Type B, and is one of the body's most powerful antioxidants. I've been taking it for a year or two, and it is rather expensive. I wonder how your parents' health is at this point? And, I assume from what I've read of your posts that this condition has come on fairly recently? Wow, I wish Dr. D. could weigh in on this.....
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jayneeoo.  My dentist had me taking cilantro when they removed the old amalgams and put in the newer stuff.  I do believe it made me feel better.  Yes, I don't mind cilantro at all!!!  The doctor I'm going to has some Glutathione gel that I'm getting tomorrow when I go.  Among other things.  I eat garlic, daily.  There usually isn't a day that goes by that I don't eat garlic.  I usually chop 2 cloves up and put it in whatever I'm eating.  Etc. etc.  I can ask about chlorella though.  

Spring, my Mom had dealt with very poor health for about 3-5 years.  She is just starting to feel back to normal in the last 6 months or so.  In fact, she says alot of times she feels better than she did when she was younger.  She attributes this to all the things she's done to be healthy by reading and then the BTD put her over the top.  She rarely went to any doctors because of money, besides the chiro and just let her body get better.  But it took a long time.  She took a whole year off of work after doing tests that showed she was at a risk for having severe problems.  Really low adrenals, neurotransmitters and such.  The gal out our chiro's office did those tests.  So yes, she may have this problem and she is aware of what my tests show.  My Dad on the other hand, I doubt will do much.  But he is informed.  

As far as when this came on for me, I've had a real bad year and a half ever since being diagnosed with H.Pylori infection.  It did a number on me and I've never been the same since.  Up and down.  Good days, bad days.  But overall fatigued and other weird stuff.  So yes, fairly recent.


I know I'll probably be dropping a bunch of money on supplements and will probably always have to do something to eliminate heavy metals.  But as GI Joe said, "Knowing, is half the battle".


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As far as when this came on for me, I've had a real bad year and a half ever since being diagnosed with H.Pylori infection.  It did a number on me and I've never been the same since.  Up and down.  Good days, bad days.  But overall fatigued and other weird stuff.  So yes, fairly recent.


ABNoWay, just reading your post there does seem to be some hopeful things about it. You apparently have made a lot of progress, albeit with set backs that are no doubt very, very discouraging.

I'm wondering about the H. Pylori infection. It seems that this stuff is very prevalent and many people show no symptoms. It reminds me of Candida. So I wonder if there was some other problem - maybe even overgrowth of Candida itself that gave this stuff a chance to take over.

That is really great news about your mother's recovery! And her experience has, no doubt, been an encouragement to you when things look so dark at times. You have been a great asset to this board and I'm sure there have been many times when you've posted that we didn't have a clue about how dark things actually were for you.   You have exhibited a tremendous amount of courage, and this thing is not going to keep you down, AB. Without question, your body is putting up a good fight, too, it just needs some help and a little more time.
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You trying to make me cry?  

Thank you for the kind words.  It has been tough.  But, whether you agree with this or not, God has blessed me through this whole ordeal.  Even though my health went to the pot, so many things in my life have been great and are for the better, that is hard not to mention it in the same breath.  

Anyways, besides all that, I'm on page thirty something in the GTD and am totally psyched about finding out what I am.  Maybe it will just be another piece of the puzzle to better health. Thank you guys for pushing me passed my skepticism.  

I don't know if I ever mentioned this but my left major pectoral muscle was missing at birth.  Which makes me very asymmetrical.  An Explorer trait.  Although I'm not left handed, nor am I RH-.  But he didn't say they "all" are.

About the H.Pylori and Candida; My ND was getting to the point where he was saying "something" is setting up a bad environment in me that is helping these guys thrive and it's possible it is the heavy metals.  He was starting to say it could be mental, like something deep emotionally, but personally, I don't think that's it.  Not that I poo poo that idea, but I had done a lot of growing and moving on with a rough childhood when I was in my 20's and I don't feel like I'm harboring anything like that.  I could be wrong, but my gut is telling me the metals is an issue because my new doctor is only confirming what my ND had been telling me before.  Every time I saw him the metals was an issue but it was in the background.  We were busy kiling candida because it was the accute thing at the time.

But thank you again for your help and words!!!!!!!!!!!!


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It is no strange thing that good things so often happen when we are going through really hard times, AB. Some of the brightest moments of our lives come during the darkest times and as time passes the darkness fades and the brighter times are much more apparent. Of course, this is contrary to the usual relationship between darkness and light! You mentioned God. Reading in the Psalms shows us very well how He came to the rescue of David and others many, many times when they were crying in desperation and anguish for whatever reason.

I certainly agree that the heavy metals can cause bedlam in our systems. When I had Candida overgrowth I was checking out everything under the sun and was tested, of course, for heavy metals. I was considered to be at "normal" levels but I still had all my fillings removed and was taking every supplement available that would detoxify and eating a diet that was extremely strict. It took a few years but I finally got the Candida under control. I know all about the "mental" deal and allergies, adrenal exhaustion, etc., etc., etc...... But there is so much more help available today even than then. One thing you can't buy in a bottle, though, is patience. Think of your progress as an upward spiral. You will feel like you are going round and round but you are actually going gradually upward. Just don't lose your courage!

Yes, this Genotype Diet is absolutely, uh, here is that word again, AMAZING!! Literally.
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If genetically speaking, I don't detox heavy metals well, especially if I'm absent of this glutathione-s-transferase, how can what you eat make it better?  


Hi AB, less than a month ago I did a paper on detoxification, it is a very complex subject. GSTM and GSTP are just some of the genes involved in detoxifying xenobiotics(substances in the body that should not be there).

If there is a variation in any or some of these genes it can affect the way your cells handle toxins. Some of the ways that you detox are being compensated for by the other detox genes.

These genes require cofactors in order for them to work at the optimum level. Cofactors are found in vitamins and minerals and I would think that the B vitamins are your friends they supply NADH and NADPH needed for them to work. These are compounds that supply the necessary energy for these enzymes to work properly.


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Since you are Rh+ and a secretor you will not be an Explorer. I'm guessing you are a Teacher. It will be interesting to see what your measurements have to say  



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Thank you again spring.  My body feels like it goes through a change every 2-3 weeks or so, at this point.  Sometimes it's for the better and sometimes for the worse.  And sometimes, a little of both.  But thank you for the encouragement!!!!!!

Cpt Janeway, Yes, I'm on methylation support (b12) at present and tomorrow they're muscle testing me for B3 too.  

Heidi, so you're not an explorer at all if you are Pos and Secretor?  I was thinking teacher could be me after reading more too.  But I sure have symptoms of an explorer.  I read all the way to the point of doing the tests and it's late and I'm tired so maybe tomorrow.  I flipped through the pages and it looks confusing.  


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Most of the stuff won't apply to you. Just follow the things that apply to you and it will make sense. If you are like most people, you will probably need help with the measurements. And don't feel bad if you have to do it three or four times just to be sure! Although some of them can be very close, it could make all the difference in your final determination.
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Thank you spring.  I forgot to comment about the psalms but yes, I read one almost every day.  Have been for over 2 years.  Among other things but you are so right, in the hard times when we are crying out, he is near.

I'll probably be calling out when taking these measurements.  

I don't know my "taster" status either.


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I don't know my "taster" status either.


The taster status is easy to determine with the taster strips.
They are available in the Genotype Kit from NAP. The strips are also available form biological suppy companies.

But you will not need them!!

Since you know your bloodtype, rh factor, and secretor status you should be using the advanced calculator in the back of the book.

Taster status is only used for basic and intermediate calculators.



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You will need the taster strips to figure that one out. But you don't necessarily need that right away. Some of the things are simply for the "strength testing" for your type. I didn't get much benefit from that because I strength tested higher than a Warrior in every other group. The main things are the measurements, your blood type, of course, and secretor status which are all listed on page 95. Just concentrate on that list because you already know your secretor status and blood type. Good luck!
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Heidi, so you're not an explorer at all if you are Pos and Secretor?  I was thinking teacher could be me after reading more too.  But I sure have symptoms of an explorer.  I read all the way to the point of doing the tests and it's late and I'm tired so maybe tomorrow.  I flipped through the pages and it looks confusing.  


That's right. You'd have to be one of the following to be an Explorer:

Rh+ and a non-secretor
Rh- and a secretor
Rh- and a non-secretor

Make sure you get someone to help you with the measurements. It is a lot more accurate with assistance then if you try to do it yourself. And for sure skip to the advanced charts in the back of the book since you already know your bloodtype and secretor status. Skipping over the strength tests might make things a little less confusing since your results may indicate a GT other then the one you measure for. And the one you measure for is what you are regardless of how high (or low) your ST results may be.

Good luck, you're almost there  




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I was thinking teacher could be me after reading more too.  But I sure have symptoms of an explorer.


Dr. D has said that the six GenoTypes are archetypes. An individual should fit one type more than any other, but have traits of others.  The lines are blurry.  I'm fairly certain that I'm best described by the Nomad type, with my B blood and fatigue issues, but I also have some Hunter tendencies, like the inflammation and slender build, even though I can't be a Hunter.  You are probably a Teacher with Explorer tendencies.
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When I go back and fill in all the possibilities for GT, I scored the highest for hunter even though I am not an O. Nomad was actually 2nd, and interestingly my fingerprints match the nomad profile.


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I agree with those above who have said that having assistance with the skeletal measurements is best; but nevertheless I was so keen to do it that I managed to do my own, and when I eventually had assistance I was confirmed the same.
Second, concentrate on the primary measurements, and just do the head shape, jaw, etc for fun later on.
In my experience, once I started the appropriate diet, and especially now that I am focussing on 'diamonds', I knew in my gut that it was right.If I were losing too much weight by over use of 'diamonds' I would switch to a diet of the other superfoods rather than return to BTD. Too confusing for me to turn back.



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Thank you guys a ton!!!  I had a "balancing" with my Dr. today and the glutathione that is a gel that you rub on your kidneys and it somehow pulls the toxins out through your bowls.  Don't ask me how, but I tested good for it and will be taking it.  I didn't end up with 2 dozen things, because some things I didn't need at all.  Like my minerals are maxed because I was taking a bunch from the first go around.  We also balanced my kids and I was amazed at what they all needed.  Both of them have problems with candida and my son has to do the same detox gel as me.  Among other things.

After looking at the charts, I think I'm going to end up being a Teacher.  With explorer tendancies as Drive55 points out.  But Just from doing rough math in my head using a pen on my fingers (one hand has the ring finger longer than the index and the other the index finger is longer).  Plus, I'm pretty sure my legs are longer than my torso.  I'll confirm this with the test, but my preliminary status is such.  The Gal in the Dr.'s office said if I figure it out, I should go for it.  

If I am a teacher, it does change my diet some.  Enough that I could see it might make a difference.  NO RICE!!!!!  WOW!!!!


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AB, Lola posted this link on another thread and it is a must read IMO!!! This man (Dr. D.) beats all, for sure!!! And Lola rates a prize for digging this one up!!!

http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2006/03/21/polyflora-probiotics?blog=26
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...NO RICE!!!!!  WOW!!!!


Sorry, ABNoWay, ya lost me there at the end when you said that. Do you mean your Dr. said you're not supposed to have rice? Your kids?  


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If I am a teacher, it does change my diet some.  Enough that I could see it might make a difference.  NO RICE!!!!!  WOW!!!!


Of course, you can have rice! Which diet are you looking at? My son is a Teacher.
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Good grief.  I step away for a day and look what happens.  I miss all this.

ABNW, you need not worry about the GTD not "meshing" with religion--and that's coming from a scientifically-convinced young-earth Creationist.  Dr. D uses timelines and evolutionary terms because that's what he believes.  "Thousands" or "millions" (of years) doesn't much matter when it comes to diet, nor does it affect his research.  He tests the foods and comes to certain conclusions about what the types should eat based on his research.  Then he explains it by using his own terminology.  He could have easily called Explorers simply "Type 4" and not tried to explain how they "evolved" to where they are.  At any rate, his explanation shouldn't affect the outcome.  Fret not thyself.


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Yay Ribbit, well said!  


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Ribbit, once I read the book, I'm not worried about that any longer.  He even said he's working backwards after finding the 6 types and the evidence is still largely circumstancial, as to how the devoloped.  And also that he's not qualified to say how or when.  Page 9 second paragraph, I was paraphrasing.  This is good enough for me.  As in the BTD, the science is good.  The timelines, I just won't worry about.

Sorry about the rice comment.  There was basmati rice and white rice that are avoid as a teacher.  But I see that they can have brown and something else.

Here's the kicker though.  Someone bust out the Guinness because after doing the measurements I'm nearly certain I'm a Nomad!!!!!!  What a roller coaster, I first thought explorer, then teacher, then warrior (I was looking at the wrong page when I finally did the measurements) now nomad.  My ring fingers are clearly longer, my upper legs are nearly an inch if not that longer, and my torso is quite a bit longer.  I do fit alot of the descriptions.  If I'm measuring everything correctly, which I think I am, Nomad it is.  My wife appears to be a teacher.  I can't believe Beer is a Diamond SuperFood.  I haven't had much alcohol in a year and a half, but I used to enjoy beer.  When I was a wild and crazy youngster I drank alot, but when I became born again, I quit it.  Then I eventually would have some here or there, usually only one at a time.  And enjoyed the taste very much.  Regardless of that, the Nomad diet looks pretty cool.  It opens up a few more doors over an AB secretor.  Liver is a Diamond Superfood.  I never liked it when I was young, but I could probably try again.

I'm not sure when I'll start, that's the other dilemma, but I'm probably going to.

Caz, are you doing the GTD?  What about you ribbit?  


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