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Andrea AWsec
Wednesday, April 23, 2008, 10:21pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Now I'm confused...I thought the typebase was for the BTD.

Yes it is but the reasoning will be the same for both diets.

Each GT diet takes into account our BT as well as our GT.




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there is no way under the sun I would consider it anything but an AVOID, period! People can do whatever they want with the stuff, it is off my list. In fact, if there were a POISON list, beef would be listed there for me. Beef tongue, beef heads, beef legs, beef broth, beef ears, beef whatever - NEVER!
I'm sorry, I think I must be having a breakdown. I just had an image of that scene in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" where the warriors in the castle catapult that cow over the wall onto the invading army. My apologies, Spring.

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manna from the sky for hunters!!! lol


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I'm sorry, I think I must be having a breakdown. I just had an image of that scene in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" where the warriors in the castle catapult that cow over the wall onto the invading army. My apologies, Spring.



No apologies necessary at all, Franklina! I get really bent out of shape about beef because it has done terrible things to my poor body that I won't forget as long as I live! It may as well have crossbones on it for my part. I used to love beef as much as the next person, but it has been a very long time since I ate it for the last time.
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manna from the sky for hunters!!! lol


And they can have my share of it anytime, anywhere!
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Thursday, April 24, 2008, 3:11am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I'm so sorry to hear about your experiences with beef, Spring. About a year ago, I was privileged to attend a lecture given by Howard Lyman. I'm sure many on this board know who he is, but for those who don't, he is a former Montana cattle rancher who credits a vegan diet with his recovery from a debilitating spinal tumor. He got in trouble with the Texas beef industry (I think) some years back for talking about it on Oprah. Not only is his story inspiring, but he's quite an entertainer as well.

I was caught off guard by the strong reactions to this thread, some of which didn't seem to have anything to do with the original question (which still hasn't been answered to my satisfaction). Guess I'm not used to being around so many Warriors...there were only two of us on the GTD board before my membership expired.
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Everyone every time they eat,chooses what they put in their mouths.  If you look at your food as a choice, it's much easier to resist (if that is your wish)the sky will not fall if you choose to eat beef.  That being said, since I started the diet 3 years ago I have not choosen to eat beef because I choose to feel good after I eat, not sluggish and hurt for three days.


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Thursday, April 24, 2008, 11:32am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Well said, janet b.  

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I was caught off guard by the strong reactions to this thread, some of which didn't seem to have anything to do with the original question (which still hasn't been answered to my satisfaction).


Only Dr. D can answer that question. It has to do with the layout of the text and errata, so I would expect an eventual clarification if you are patient. I cannot anticipate a time frame - it will happen when it happens.

Also note that Rabbit, Bear, Squirrel and Kangaroo all appear to be neutrals as they are listed as superfoods or avoids for other types. They are all red meat and there is no argument that they are not beef.  
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Lloyd, when I first started reading the last paragraph of your post, and not reading closely enough, I thought you were about to quote some posters on this board!!! What a shock to see you were talking about superfoods!  
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Thursday, April 24, 2008, 3:26pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Thanks Lloyd!  
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Quoted from Lloyd


Only Dr. D can answer that question. It has to do with the layout of the text and errata, so I would expect an eventual clarification if you are patient. I cannot anticipate a time frame - it will happen when it happens.

Also note that Rabbit, Bear, Squirrel and Kangaroo all appear to be neutrals as they are listed as superfoods or avoids for other types. They are all red meat and there is no argument that they are not beef.  
Caribou as well, I believe.

Thanks for weighing in again with those reassuring comments, Lloyd. I suppose I didn't so much expect an answer in this forum as I just wanted to bring the issue to light. It's been interesting.


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I was caught off guard by the strong reactions to this thread, some of which didn't seem to have anything to do with the original question (which still hasn't been answered to my satisfaction). Guess I'm not used to being around so many Warriors...there were only two of us on the GTD board before my membership expired.


Oh, we get off-topic on a regular basis on the board! Sometimes, seriously off-topic, but it is a great experience we enjoy on this forum!!!

BTW, did you broach the question of the beef issue on the official Geno board? That is the place where Dr. D. answers these types of questions - or not. Another BTW, have you ever seen any other diet on the market where the writers of the books had a forum where they answered questions about their diets at all? Maybe some of them have but they must be few and far between. I never felt any connection to the writers of diets except through the pages of their various books.

I can't remember whether you were on the BTD before learning about the GTD or not - maybe you haven't said. Anyway, many of us already learned from experience on the BTD all we needed to know about the problems with beef, so maybe that will explain our acceptance of beef being wholly an avoid, in spite of our being Warriors! However, some younger people don't notice the problems with it that older people do because they haven't shown up yet. My sons, both A-types, still have steaks once in a while and the occasional hamburger. It bothers one of them worse than it does the other, but he just takes some lactase and that reduces the symptoms. They both realize that eventually they will have to give up beef, though.

Remember, we don't always get answers to personal questions we have, and we try not to expect it. I don't feel that anyone on the board or Dr. D. himself owes me anything, but I do, most wholeheartedly, appreciate the tremendous amount of help I have received from all the kind-hearted folks here. They've even tolerated me griping about beans and my on-going struggle to digest them and haven't thrown me off yet!! I will persevere with the beans, though slowly! Actually, once I go through the agony of digesting them, they make me feel wonderful! Sorry, see how easy it is to get off topic?!!!
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BTW, did you broach the question of the beef issue on the official Geno board?
No, the issue came up after someone mentioned her Warrior MIL was craving beef. There was a brief discussion amongst the few people on the thread about interpretation of neutrals, and that was that. Lola was stuck over here at the time, otherwise I'm sure she would have chimed in.

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Ostrich is in the poultry category. But as a poultry neutral, it has possibilities...if I ever move to Australia.


If you try enough places you may find it in the states. I have found it at two different health food stores and am buying it from the cheaper one ($6.99 for one pound ground ostrich).

The health food store is an hour and fifteen minutes drive. I have also located a farm where I can buy it direct, but it is two hours away and I have not developed another reason to travel in that direction.

The farm is not cheaper, but gives a better selection of different cuts of the bird.

There are some online sources, but I did not want to pay shipping.


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Thanks, C_sharp. In my area, it's easy to find just about any kind of food, so no problems there. I'm leaning toward a locatarian diet, though (hope I spelled that right)...local is the new organic, y'know. Not that I wouldn't eat ostrich if it landed on my plate.

How's that for getting off topic?
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As has been mentioned before on another subject, I think this one has been beaten completely to death. What is the point, after all???? BTW, we are happy to have Lola "chime" in any time she wants!
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he already answered the beef question read the quote I gave....

precisely a warrior asking if he could have a piece of steak for his BD!!!
Dr D advised him to get salmon instead!!!
he did not say, ''yeah, why not, your BD is once a year right??
pop some deflect!''
no, his answer was that quoted above!

I remember this question from the GTD board...  Dr. D's response made such an impression on me that I won't eat beef, even though I don't feel any specific response...  Basicly, the response was, Why would you risk colon or breast cancer to enjoy 1 beef dinner?  That is very explanatory to me. I apologize for being so busy that I didn't get into this thread sooner!



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I apologize for being so busy that I didn't get into this thread sooner!
Jump on in, the water's fine! Your comments are welcome any time.

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yeah, I found it pretty definite, as well.
did you read Dr D s latest?
very interesting....
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2008/04/24/themes-and-skins?blog=24


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did you read Dr D s latest?
very interesting....

Yes, I remembered from the book that I need to eat things that reduce my arterial inflammation, but still need to reduce the possibility of the cancers...  I am currently removing some benign cysts - before they have the chance to change to malignant...  Fortunately, I was introduced to this diet.  In spite of the detox, I still feel better than I have for 25 years.


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glad it s helping at so many levels!


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You know Lola,...I don't even like beef. ! Just sharpening my spear..  
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I suppose it would be useful to know, if I ever had to choose between beef and chicken.


Chicken is CLEARLY not something a Warrior would want to choose on the Warrior diet. Have some turkey instead.
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Chicken is CLEARLY not something a Warrior would want to choose on the Warrior diet. Have some turkey instead.
Right, but I was talking about a scenario in which beef and chicken were the only choices.

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