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funkymuse
Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 4:30pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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mess up the entire 3-6 months of gene reprogramming?

I want to have 1/2 of a cup of coffee ever so often... not much maybe on an average once every couple of weeks.

Opinions?  Science?  Fact?  Truth?  
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Good question Funkymuse.  I'm working on the theory that the occasional black dot won't mess up months of work, but that regular black dots might....  


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no!!
i totally don't think so.
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It's all opinion at this point, but personally, I think that it would lengthen your 3-6 month period.  1/2 cup once or twice a month, with no other black dots... that shouldn't extend it too much.

Going way overboard by eating black dots for a few days in a row, or all out toxins, would probably restart the initial period, depending on your health and how close you are to your goals.  If a primary goal is weight loss, then that's pretty easy to measure, and one should avoid black dots until they reach a target weight.

Needless to say, I am restarting my initial period.  In my case, one black dot leads to another, and worse, so I need to just stay away from them.  Easy to do at home, harder when I'm away.


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If so, then this diet will never work for me.

We're all individuals, we all have different health issues, and we all live in the real world. I say enjoy your coffee every now and then, if it's what you really want.

I slip up every now and then, and then I wake up stiff (or whatever) the next day and think, "Oh yeah, now I remember why I'm doing this."
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IMO, occasional black dots slow down the reprogramming, but they don't reverse it.  


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My hunch is that it may slow it down a day or 2. It depends on the dots & the amount.
Sunday we went out & I had good food, but tiny portions of several healthy dots like carrot, etc. & a tiny avoid. I actually feel a little better. Myabe I'm a hybrid hunter/gatherer as I suspect.  
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If you are within the first three to six months of beginning the program, you should avoid using BD. Once you've passed the six-month mark, you may consume black dot toxins like any other allowed food.

However, if you are battling an illness or feel your weight has begun to creep up, ramp up your compliance by avoiding these foods again for a month or two.

there s nothing wrong with consuming BD.....it just slows down your resetting.


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Quoted from Mrs T O+
My hunch is that it may slow it down a day or 2. It depends on the dots & the amount.
Sunday we went out & I had good food, but tiny portions of several healthy dots like carrot, etc. & a tiny avoid. I actually feel a little better. Myabe I'm a hybrid hunter/gatherer as I suspect.  
S S & L,
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Mrs T O, I think that Dr Peter has made it clear that we cannot be hybrids, that we belong to one or other Genotype, even if it seems borderline. I could look up the page if you like.
For me one of the main differences in the way that I apply GTD over BTD is that I used to Avoid the Avoids big time assuming that the space left over would have to be acceptable foods, whereas now I am learning to specialize in the Diamonds and Supers and focussing on the left hand column and filling up on them so that the Avoids don't have a look in, but if they do, they hardly matter. It stops me obsessing over mistakes and rule breaking.




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Jenny I think you have expressed things very well. Up until recently I would feel so guilty and give up too easily if I have eaten avoids.  Now I am trying to keep a diary of superfoods and diamonds eaten - kinda copying Chloes fantastic idea - and I feel much more positive about things.

Of course I'm only new at this and have a long way to go to be compliant yet, but its all a process of learning and even finding the stuff that we can eat.


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Jenny I think you have expressed things very well. Up until recently I would feel so guilty and give up too easily if I have eaten avoids.  Now I am trying to keep a diary of superfoods and diamonds eaten - kinda copying Chloes fantastic idea - and I feel much more positive about things.

Of course I'm only new at this and have a long way to go to be compliant yet, but its all a process of learning and even finding the stuff that we can eat.


Accentuate the positive, don't latch on to the negative.  Come join us and post your diamond
foods daily, even if your numbers aren't high.  It's the reporting and feeling accountable to
others that makes this work so well. I wasn't eating half as many diamond foods until I decided it might help to make a daily list and share them with others. You'd be surprised just
how many times I've gone to the pantry or refrigerator, craving the wrong food only to look
at my diamond food list and suddenly correct myself and then choose a diamond food
whenever possible.   We aren't being competitive with one another as much as simply challenging ourselves by playing a little game. I rarely try to beat someone's score.  I'm just trying to do my own personal best each day.  Sometimes when someone goes WAY over the
top and eats as many diamond foods as Funkymuse did one day (I think 21) , we all got excited.  The rest of us were still winners..We were still proud of how many good choices
we had made.

I'm not perfect.  A few times in the past (nearly) 4 months, I've eaten a black dot food more
than once. Often it was because of my situation, who I was with and my food choices just
weren't appropriate. In other words, there were times when I simply had no choice but to pick
the best of the worst.  The wrong fish, the wrong cheese. Or else I wouldn't have been able to
eat anything except a salad. Weddings,  family gatherings and all social events present challenges if you conscientiously make food choices that are vastly different from other people.

I think we all have different levels of compliance and there is no way we could be or should
be monitoring one another.  We're just all doing the best we can as often as we can.  And
just being here, giving one another encouragement is probably our most important role to
play.

Agree?


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Quoted from Chloe
We're just all doing the best we can as often as we can.
I seem to have fallen into a sort of "3 steps forward/1 step back" pattern. Even so, I eat ridiculously better than I did just six months ago. For me, the triumph has been not going to pieces over the "1 step back." (No other diet has done that for me.)
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You are all so inspiring.

I am no way near just eating a black dot every now and then, but I am slowly replacing foods in my pantry and fridge.  You said you go to the fridge and check your diamond food list (Chloe).  I might try doing a list, I need one to go shopping anyway.

The problem is I still haven't truly decided which way to go yet, BTD or GTD.  There is just so much more info on the BTD which makes me feel safer (what a chicken  )  So at the moment I am trying to eat beneficials/diamonds from both plans and TRYING to totally kick the wheat habit!

Franklina - well done on your "triumph"  



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Franklina - well done on your "triumph"  
Thank you.

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Well... a lot of different answers.  I sure would like to get to the point where I can eat some black dots now and again and like another poster, I'm not sure if i can make it!  especially if I eat one black dot now and again!  Oh Lordie!

I may just have to bite the bullet and start eating black cherries again after 4 months of maybe 90% compliancy.  

I miss those darn things!  As far as soy milk that's now an avoid and one I can say goodbye to.

But a new food item that used to be an avoid, and is now a black dot - Cashews, I can't wait to add because I have a rice milk recipe that uses them!  Boy wouldn't that be delish!!!

So I'll keep working on hanging the best I can with no black dots and after 4 months I'm gonna have some cherries gosh darn it!  And maybe even a little rice cashew milk!!  So there!

HAAAA!!!  
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Well... a lot of different answers.  I sure would like to get to the point where I can eat some black dots now and again and like another poster, I'm not sure if i can make it!  especially if I eat one black dot now and again!  Oh Lordie!

I may just have to bite the bullet and start eating black cherries again after 4 months of maybe 90% compliancy.  

I miss those darn things!  As far as soy milk that's now an avoid and one I can say goodbye to.

But a new food item that used to be an avoid, and is now a black dot - Cashews, I can't wait to add because I have a rice milk recipe that uses them!  Boy wouldn't that be delish!!!

So I'll keep working on hanging the best I can with no black dots and after 4 months I'm gonna have some cherries gosh darn it!  And maybe even a little rice cashew milk!!  So there!

HAAAA!!!  


Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the black dot foods supposed to become less of a problem after 3-6 months than the foods listed in the book in the same column?  The ones without dots?  Aren't the foods minus dots far worse?  Considered to permanently toxic?

See, I don't consider the black dot foods toxins for the rest of my life..  I consider them a hinderance to weight loss and detoxing.  BUT, after 6 months are over, to keep weight under control if I've reached my final level of satisfaction, I would think adding a few black dots on occasion wouldn't be so awful.  I would think I'd always be aware not to incorporate black
dot foods regularly, but I surely wouldn't feel major guilt about eating them.

I think in order to live in the real world and have the opportunity to find myself in awkward social settings with food I haven't personally prepared, the occasional option of being able to eat some of those black dots would be a welcome relief!

Agree or disagree?



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Quoted from Chloe
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the black dot foods supposed to become less of a problem after 3-6 months than the foods listed in the book in the same column?  The ones without dots?  Aren't the foods minus dots far worse?  Considered to permanently toxic?
Regarding black dots: "After 3-6 months, you can reintroduce these foods back into your diet in modest amounts," and ..."if you are battling an illness or feel your weight beginning to creep back up, you may want to ramp up your compliance by avoiding these foods again for a while."

Both quotes straight from the book. You get a gold star.

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see how values can change when one migrates from the BTD values to the GTD system. Somewhere in the allowable GenoTypes for people with type A blood, there will be that old BTD avoid, however, if it is not in your new GenoType values (or if it flipped to being actually beneficial!) it is because its BTD avoid status was less relevant than the benefits it provides under your new GTD skin.


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Hi... I am aware of the black dots being able to be introduced after 3-6 months.  What I was wondering is if one black dot here and there 'before' the 6 months was up would continually put me back at the starting line.

It seems so.  So I feel I will never have a 6  month clean period from black dots.  
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#1 of "The Ten Commandments of Any Successful Lifestyle" (p. 181, GTD):

"It's what you eat, not what you avoid, that moves you forward."

Please don't worry about it so much.
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That was discussed before. I think the consensus is that it may set you back a day or so, but not the end of the world!
It's almost impossible to avoid dots & avoids for a full 3-6 months. We even breathe pollution. Does that set us back??
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Quoted from Mrs T O+

It's almost impossible to avoid dots & avoids for a full 3-6 months. We even breathe pollution. Does that set us back??
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Haa.. great point!

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Please don't worry about it so much.


ha... it's my old perfectionest being obsessed!  ha..


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ha... it's my old perfectionest being obsessed!  ha..
Been there. It goes away...some. Use it for something constructive.

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Been there. It goes away...some. Use it for something constructive.



What's your age range, "Wise Warrior?"!  If you don't mind me asking... it takes awhile to learn such things.... usually.
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There, I added it in. (Thanks for calling me wise. You made my day!)

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There, I added it in. (Thanks for calling me wise. You made my day!)




wisdom comes from the soul...

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wisdom comes from the soul...
Oh...you are my favorite person!

BTW, is there any way to remove those "revision history" blocks from ones posts? I hate being busted for fiddling.

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mess up the entire 3-6 months of gene reprogramming?

I want to have 1/2 of a cup of coffee ever so often... not much maybe on an average once every couple of weeks.

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Hi, Christina,
I haven't weighed in on this thread because black dots are something I'm avoiding like the plague right now, but this morning I read all the replies. I can't remember if you've mentioned it before, but have you tried yerba mate yet? You may be drinking it already every day, but I just got some yesterday and, boy, did it ever give me a lift! Mind you, I have never enjoyed anything about coffee except the smell, and the taste of it may be what you are missing more than the lift a person gets. I don't know the caffeine content of the tea, but it warns about comsuming additional caffeine so I assume there is a fair amount of it in the tea. The taste wasn't bad at all - I just drank it down plain.

Dr. D., in plain English, says after 3-6 months so any other opinion about this is just that. You only have a month to go, so that is just a total of one cup of coffee to give up to keep within his guidelines. You are doing so well and another month should have you in really good shape. Hang in there, Funky, you'll make it! But please do try the yerba mate if you haven't already. See that nice diamond! Wooooweeee!!!
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Hi, Christina,
I haven't weighed in on this thread because black dots are something I'm avoiding like the plague right now, but this morning I read all the replies. I can't remember if you've mentioned it before, but have you tried yerba mate yet? You may be drinking it already every day, but I just got some yesterday and, boy, did it ever give me a lift! Mind you, I have never enjoyed anything about coffee except the smell, and the taste of it may be what you are missing more than the lift a person gets. I don't know the caffeine content of the tea, but it warns about comsuming additional caffeine so I assume there is a fair amount of it in the tea. The taste wasn't bad at all - I just drank it down plain.

Dr. D., in plain English, says after 3-6 months so any other opinion about this is just that. You only have a month to go, so that is just a total of one cup of coffee to give up to keep within his guidelines. You are doing so well and another month should have you in really good shape. Hang in there, Funky, you'll make it! But please do try the yerba mate if you haven't already. See that nice diamond! Wooooweeee!!!


Ha!!! Spring.. you are so funny!  You make me laugh.  Yes I do the Yerba and it does not have caffeine.  Google it.. I posted on this some time ago... but it has a different type of ingredient that works on a different part of the brain. I think it's called Mattine or something like that...  

Wait till you try a half cup of coffee and a half cup of yerba together!  woo hoo!!! tastes delicious!

I'm hangin' in there as best I can but... these antibiotics make me nauseated.  5 more days of them.  sigh... yuck...
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Oh...you are my favorite person!

BTW, is there any way to remove those "revision history" blocks from ones posts? I hate being busted for fiddling.



ha... I was going to tell you not to let your wisdom go to your head!!! Ha!!! But I thought that you might take it the wrong way!!!  Sometimes humorous sarcasm does not come off well in writing!  

As far as the revision thing...I don't know how to do it.  Maybe someone else does.  You may have to delete and repost to get the effect you want.

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I was going to tell you not to let your wisdom go to your head!
Yeah...too late, I guess. What can I say? I'm only human. As for the humorous sarcasm, the safest route seems to be large doses of benefit-of-the-doubt (and those cute little smilies).

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Yeah...too late, I guess. What can I say? I'm only human. As for the humorous sarcasm, the safest route seems to be large doses of benefit-of-the-doubt (and those cute little smilies).



yup, I agree.  once you are truly conscious however, it's hard to let much go to your head.  hard knocks of life usually keep me in line.. and when I do get out of line, man I really learn my lesson...  
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Been there too. (sigh)  
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Been there too. (sigh)  


yes... you must have been - but really aren't you glad?  

I mean.. I'd rather be awake than asleep and lost.  The only way I was ever able to wake up was by touching hot stoves and burning the poop out of myself! ha...  Pain is a great teacher.

Anyway.. I'm off the Black Dot subject so... I'll stop!  ha...
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The only way I was ever able to wake up was by touching hot stoves and burning the poop out of myself!


reminds me of a phrase Einstein said

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sitting next to a beautiful woman for two hours, seem like a minute, whereas, sitting for a minute on a hot stove seem like two hours!! it s all about relativity!!


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Oh...you are my favorite person!

BTW, is there any way to remove those "revision history" blocks from ones posts? I hate being busted for fiddling.



I've never bothered with revision at all. I don't like the way it looks either. I simply copy my post, delete and repost. Easy too!
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reminds me of a phrase Einstein said



Hilarious, Lola! I had read that before but it is always funny to me when I read it again!!
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Ha!!! Spring.. you are so funny!  You make me laugh.  Yes I do the Yerba and it does not have caffeine.  Google it.. I posted on this some time ago... but it has a different type of ingredient that works on a different part of the brain. I think it's called Mattine or something like that...  

Wait till you try a half cup of coffee and a half cup of yerba together!  woo hoo!!! tastes delicious!

I'm hangin' in there as best I can but... these antibiotics make me nauseated.  5 more days of them.  sigh... yuck...


Hi, Christina, thanks for the info on yerba mate - just what I needed! Now I won't have to go digging around the web trying to find it! I felt pretty sure that you were drinking yerba but we are so "prolific" as someone said that things sort of get left behind. Besides, I was trying so hard to get switched over to Geno and with everything in a whirl on my projects that I need to go back and reread some of those threads again. We were in warp speed trying to get a handle on this thing! And what a fun bunch to be hanging out with in all our trials and tribulations!
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Another thing, Christina, I do hope you are soon better of this junk that has you down!   I hate antibiotics too. They make me feel terrible. I think the last round I had was for a couple of tick bites some years ago. You take good care of yourself!   P.S. No wonder you've been dreaming of coffee!  
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And what a fun bunch to be hanging out with in all our trials and tribulations!


Well, lets' see .. I think that trials may be a black dot, and tribulations are toxins!  Or, maybe trials are superduper because they make us strong and wise.  



Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.
Let me not pass you by in quest
of some rare and perfect tomorrow.
~Mary Jean Irion
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