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Azure Agony
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Hello,

I've always had circles under the eyes, to be fair, it is what I think is the beginning of bags developing and does run through my Father's side of our family with several others looking similar to me. However, the dark rings in that area concerns me. I get my sleep so it can't be that, people in the past have said that it looks like I have black eyes. I thought I had read in one of Dr.D's books something that was briefly mentioned but I can't be sure.
Does anyone know anything about this ? Another sign of gluten intolerance perhaps like the white lines ?

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I always thought it was food intolerances, both my daughter and hubby have them (not bags just dark circles).  Not sure what Dr.D says about them though.


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From my experience, it's allergy based.  For example, if I get "glutened" I quickly get dark circles under the eyes.  No bags, just the black marks.  Try keeping a food diary to see if you can pinpoint the foods that are causing it for you.


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From my experience, it's allergy based.


This is as I understand it also. You can try the Allergy book  
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Thanks for your help, I may just buy that.  


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Thanks for your help, I may just buy that.  


I hope it will help. I have to tell you, that just following the ER book took care of almost all my allergies. Prior to BTD I took excedrin and allergy med every day. Blehhhhhhhhhh!!! Don't miss that a bit.  



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I concur with italybound, similar results. The circles come back when I cheat.


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also if I eat avoids, especially wheat or dairy, right under the corners of my mouth, I get raised skin and on the sides of my mouth, jowl looking 'things'. Very unattractive.  



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also if I eat avoids, especially wheat or dairy, right under the corners of my mouth, I get raised skin and on the sides of my mouth, jowl looking 'things'. Very unattractive.  


boy, does THAT sound familiar!!!! (cheating alot lately and jowl-ier by the minute!!! Thanks for the tip, ib, you've given me new incentive to behave on top of all the other ones currently bothering me....oh, the price(s) of cheating, oy.


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boy, does THAT sound familiar!!!! (cheating alot lately and jowl-ier by the minute!!! Thanks for the tip, ib, you've given me new incentive to behave on top of all the other ones currently bothering me....oh, the price(s) of cheating, oy.


{{{HUGS}}} you can do it. I can too, we'll just have to help each other. I'll tell ya, no incentive like lookin' in the mirror and seeing THAT!!!      



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also if I eat avoids, especially wheat or dairy, right under the corners of my mouth, I get raised skin and on the sides of my mouth, jowl looking 'things'. Very unattractive.  


Well, now, I will have to see if I ever get this "jowl looking things" when things aren't going right! Have you ever seen a real jowl?!!!  
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Well, now, I will have to see if I ever get this "jowl looking things" when things aren't going right!


since you're an A, maybe you won't get the same effect, I don't know.  



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Dark eye circles can also be heritage.  Some people just have them.  But maybe that's the milk allergies being passed from generation to generation.

My daughter, from the ripe old age of a year, had red patchy eye circles.  She was diary-free, gluten-free, corn-free and egg-free already (and later we took soy away too) and each deletion of a food would temporarily help the eye circles.  But then they came back to stay and I couldn't figure out what was going on.  We put her on the AB nonnie diet and they went away.  We decided she must be a nonnie after she had honey and maple syrup and the red eye circles reappeared.


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Dark eye circles can also be heritage.  Some people just have them.  But maybe that's the milk allergies being passed from generation to generation.


I have the same thought about diabetes being 'passed on'. As in the real culprit is,  it's passed on in how we are taught to eat. How we ate as kids, affects us as adults. Both physically (disease, etc) and in the eating habits we will have.



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Ah, the stuff that's passed on to us.  I believe I am the first in my family to break the cycle of depression.  My sister probably has too, but she's in a really weird marriage, so she may just be covering up.


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Ah, the stuff that's passed on to us.  I believe I am the first in my family to break the cycle of depression.  


Oh Ribbit, I am glad to hear that.

I too have a family history of depression.  My maternal grandmother took her own life when my mum was just 3yrs old.  My mum has tried to overdose at least twice that I know of when we were children.

I was diagnosed with depression about a year ago and have come a good way since then.    I'm very blessed because I have God, a stable marriage and have just started to realise just how much certain foods affect my mind and body - wheat and sugar are just plain evil  


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Ribbit, good for you!!!
Caz B, sorry to hear about your grandmum and mum, but glad to hear you are beginning a new pattern/generation of better living.  



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since you're an A, maybe you won't get the same effect, I don't know.  


Well, the way Dr. D. went on about how Warrior's age, I would think I could expect "jowls," wrinkles, bags and sags - the whole bit!    I'm not too concerned about it, though, because my health and not hurting all the time are my main focus now. Health and not hurting are beautiful!
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As in the real culprit is,  it's passed on in how we are taught to eat. How we ate as kids, affects us as adults. Both physically (disease, etc) and in the eating habits we will have.


Is it possible to modify this learned behaviour?   Im sure I over-eat sometimes for no good reason, other than thats what I learned from young.   Its something I would like to change if possible


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Ah, the stuff that's passed on to us.  I believe I am the first in my family to break the cycle of depression.  


Congratulations - its really a great achievement.  


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I have Dr. D to thank mostly, and there's a book called Victory Over the Darkness that helped a lot too.  I believe I can say that even with the stress of having three small children and my husband traveling some, the only time I get to feeling depressed is when I've eaten too much wheat (although wheat doesn't bother me now that I'm on the Warrior diet, strangely) and nightshades.  Nightshades make me psychotic.  I saw a psychologist a couple of times over the last few years (at Wellspring -- http://www.wellspringretreat.org --) who diagnosed me with severe clinical depression, but I don't feel depressed anymore, so I'm going to say I'm not even though the tests still say I am.  I want to say it's PTSD now, not depression.  Diet definitely helps.  But besides the PTSD depression does run in the family, according to my grandmother.


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Is it possible to modify this learned behaviour?   Im sure I over-eat sometimes for no good reason, other than thats what I learned from young.   Its something I would like to change if possible


Absolutely!! If I can, anyone can. All we had as children, was pasta, pasta and more pasta. Milk, bread, more pasta, more bread. Pasta is cheap and goes a long way. My dad worked at a bakery, we got bread cheap. We were poor. Now..............while I still LOVE me some fresh homemade bread w/ real butter and jelly, I don't eat it. I love pasta too, but only use rice pasta WHEN I eat it. I made spelt/teff choc chip cookies last night (with real butter and GOOD choc). While I was making them, I thought to myself "before BTD I didn't even know there were any other flours besides refined-white-no-nutrition-poison-and-kill-me-now flour"
So see, you can change your eating habits    Your body will love you for it. Not at first, mind you, cause you'll be missing all that tastes-so-good and bad-for-you foods. In the long run, you'll feel so much better. After you're clean for a while and you eat junk, your body will kick your end for eating it, trust me.  

Ribbit, good for you and what a shining example you are!! Not to think taking a drug was the only answer to helping yourself. I was once told the same thing - clinical depression. His ONLY solution for me was drugs. I left, never went back. Got strict w/ my adrenal supps, cleaned up my diet immensely. Within a week, I was so much better. Sometimes it's easy to just get overwhelmed w/ things. It sounds like you have your hands pretty full too. So kudos to you girl!!!   {{{HUGGIES}}}



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the only time I get to feeling depressed is when I've eaten too much wheat (although wheat doesn't bother me now that I'm on the Warrior diet, strangely) and nightshades.  Nightshades make me psychotic.


That's what happens to me too Ribbit! I've never met anyone who reacted to wheat like me until you just posted! Try to tell people wheat affects me mentally and they give me a strange look.  I also got anxiety from it.  I'm hoping also that the Warrior diet will clear up the problems so I can enjoy wheat again..
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That's what happens to me too Ribbit! I've never met anyone who reacted to wheat like me until you just posted! Try to tell people wheat affects me mentally and they give me a strange look.  I also got anxiety from it.  I'm hoping also that the Warrior diet will clear up the problems so I can enjoy wheat again..


oh you guys, I'm so jealous. I wish the Hunter diet would clear that up for me. I have no doubt it won't. Wheat is just my enemy and a huge culprit in bringing on depression and a myriad of other things. Have something good for me ok?  



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Mayflowers, you won't read a whole lot about "brain allergies" as I call it.  If you poke around on the autism-treatment sites that especially talk about gluten-free/casein-free diets, you'll read about what wheat does to the brain.  You might find it pretty enlightening.  Also, any of Dr. Lyndon B. Smith's books on allergies (written in the 70s and 80s I think) address this.  They're really helpful in understanding how allergies affect children's behavior (and ours!).

Several years ago I put together a little book I called "Safe Recipes."  By "safe" I mean mostly allergen-free (though many recipes contain soy because at that time we could all eat that).  In the beginning of it I had a section about allergies.  Now I'm not a dr or a scientist, so this isn't at all official.  It's just my understanding of what's going on, and it may or may not be right.  But here goes:


     What are allergies and intolerances?  An allergy is an immune response to a particular substance. These allergens can be food or environmental.
     When you think of allergies, usually what comes to mind is a person sneezing from springtime hay fever, or perhaps swelling up in hives from a bee sting or from eating peanuts or shell fish.
     When it comes to food, there are several types of  true allergic reactions. First is the respiratory reaction, where the throat closes off and the person has difficulty breathing [common with tree nuts, peanuts, some fruits]. The second is a skin reaction (and these two often go together), where the individual will get hives in any area of the body, or an itchy rash around the mouth [common with some fruits]. The third is a brain, or circulatory  reaction, where the person may become depressed, sluggish, and suffer with brain fog [common with wheat], or get heavy, achy legs. These allergies can be immediate, or the reaction can be up to several days later. In children, food allergies can cause excessive sleepiness or hyperactivity, head and stomach aches, ear infections, red ears, red circles on cheeks, scaly skin, and dark circles under the eyes. In adults, food allergies can cause chronic eczema, chronic nasal drip, migraines, acne, and cracking, weak nails.
     An intolerance is simply the inability to digest a certain food. The most common is lactose intolerance, which usually causes bloating, stomach cramps, and diarrhea. Another is gluten-intolerance. The symptoms of gluten-intolerance are seemingly contradictory: diarrhea and restlessness, or constipation and sluggishness.  It all depends on how each individual reacts. The person who has diarrhea and is restless is generally underweight from malnutrition. The gluten causes the intestines to become inflamed, food passes through too quickly, and the body cannot absorb nutrients. The person who has constipation and is sluggish is generally overweight, and no matter how much they diet or exercise, they cannot seem to loose it. This can be caused by gluten caking the inside of the colon walls and slowing down digestion. This person will also have vitamin deficiencies from the inability to properly break down food and absorb nutrients.
     How do you know if you have an allergy or an intolerance to a food? There are several ways to find out.  One is to go see an allergist and get a skin test; another is to ask your doctor to do a blood test (this works for some allergies); you could seek alternative sources such as an acupuncturist or someone trained in muscle testing. But the most inexpensive way is to simply test it yourself, by elimination.


Then I go on to explain how to do an elimination test, which y'all already know about.  I hope that helps some, Mayflowers.  I very much believe in brain allergies.


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