Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register


Main Forum Page  ♦   Latest Posts  ♦   Member Center  ♦   Search  ♦   Archives   ♦   Help   ♦   Log In/Out   ♦   Admins
Forum Login
Login Name: Create a new account
Password:     Forgot password

BTD Forums    Diet and Nutrition    The GenoType Diet  ›  Supplements
Users Browsing Forum
Googlebot and 9 Guests

Supplements  This thread currently has 1,318 views. Print Print Thread
2 Pages 1 2 » All Recommend Thread
trish44
Saturday, April 12, 2008, 2:17pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Hunter
Sam Dan
Posts: 676
Gender: Female
Location: Texas
Age: 69
I wonder if there is anywhere that lists supplements that should NOT be taken for a particular genotype?


Trish44 (type O)
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message
italybound
Saturday, April 12, 2008, 2:37pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

~Concealed~Carry~Hunter~
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 9,163
Location: Near St. Louis
Age: 58
I would love to see that too. Since the encyclopedia is no longer applicable, I feel in the dark about that. Very disheartening.  



Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 1 - 33
Lloyd
Saturday, April 12, 2008, 3:40pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1 (Hunter)
Sa Bon Nim
Administrator
Posts: 7,211
Quoted from italybound
Since the encyclopedia is no longer applicable


The encyclopedia is still a valid, useful reference. Nothing about the GTD invalidates it.
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 2 - 33
Spring
Saturday, April 12, 2008, 4:27pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Zinc, Type O And Cardiomyopathy

ANSWER: You should use zinc. Your clinical situation supplants the long- range recommendations for your blood type, which is to avoid long-term zinc administration as its cummulative effects are suppressive on the immune system rather than augmentative. Your condition creates a long-term drain on your zinc resources so the 'epidemiologic' effects are moot. http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/archive-062004.htmlt.

Simply for the reasons given in this reply, I will continue to research my BTD books for answers and recommendations for various health problems until and if more Geno books are available. They are certainly more up to date than anything else out there a person would ever be able to find!
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 3 - 33
trish44
Saturday, April 12, 2008, 4:35pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Hunter
Sam Dan
Posts: 676
Gender: Female
Location: Texas
Age: 69
I do have the encyclopedia, but thought perhaps there would be something different in the gt.  Thanks for the reminder....and spring, what is cardiomyopathy?  I wasn't sure if you were addressing that to me.  I had Hodgkins a few years ago, and always worry that I might be taking something that I shouldn't.  For instance, I just learned that O's should not be amping up the immune system, and since I have been taking NAC off and on for a couple of years, as well as a couple of others, I am wondering if this is not a good idea.  I don't take zinc, however.  Thank you for responding.  


Trish44 (type O)
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 4 - 33
Lola
Saturday, April 12, 2008, 4:44pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,009
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 57
Zinc, Type O And Cardiomyopathy
think your link isn t working
here
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/archive-062004.html


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 5 - 33
Spring
Saturday, April 12, 2008, 4:47pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Quoted from trish44
I do have the encyclopedia, but thought perhaps there would be something different in the gt.  Thanks for the reminder....and spring, what is cardiomyopathy?  I wasn't sure if you were addressing that to me.  I had Hodgkins a few years ago, and always worry that I might be taking something that I shouldn't.  For instance, I just learned that O's should not be amping up the immune system, and since I have been taking NAC off and on for a couple of years, as well as a couple of others, I am wondering if this is not a good idea.  I don't take zinc, however.  Thank you for responding.  



I have no idea, Trish, I was just using that as an example of why I still use my other books! The folks at NAP would likely be able to help you with your questions. It wouldn't hurt to find out.
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 6 - 33
italybound
Saturday, April 12, 2008, 5:47pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

~Concealed~Carry~Hunter~
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 9,163
Location: Near St. Louis
Age: 58
Quoted from Lloyd
The encyclopedia is still a valid, useful reference. Nothing about the GTD invalidates it.


Okay, I like your answer better..............I was 'sure' someone on another thread said it was no longer valid for genotypes.  

then there is this comment:
I mean it has been said several times that the BTD and the  GTD are two different entities and not necessarily to be combined.

and this comment: this one is very confusing......is it or isn't it?  
don t forget, these are two different systems (BTD and GTD)...... and then follows up w/ this comment..
the protocols and the BTD encyclopedia will never be obsolete, BT is the key to your physiology, always!

so if blood type is always the key, where does genotype fit in?  
and if there are dif supps for GTD versus BTD, how does this make all the health series books and the encyclopedia still be ok?
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly fine w/ them still being valid for BTD and GTD. There just seems to be differing info.




Revision History (4 edits)
italybound  -  Saturday, April 12, 2008, 6:07pm
italybound  -  Saturday, April 12, 2008, 6:05pm
italybound  -  Saturday, April 12, 2008, 6:03pm
italybound  -  Saturday, April 12, 2008, 6:03pm
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 7 - 33
Spring
Saturday, April 12, 2008, 10:01pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
For my part, the Geno simply is more defined. Which is exactly why the Geno diet has been such a tremendous help to me. There is not a whole lot of difference in the way I eat now, the supplements I was already taking and what is compliant now were almost the same, BUT there are some important differences in the Geno that fit me to a "T." And they are working! I would never argue that the BTD is obsolete. I just needed a little refinement, and it made all the difference in me feeling awful and feeling wonderful!
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 8 - 33
funkymuse
Saturday, April 12, 2008, 11:43pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Quoted from italybound


Okay, I like your answer better..............I was 'sure' someone on another thread said it was no longer valid for genotypes.  

then there is this comment:
I mean it has been said several times that the BTD and the  GTD are two different entities and not necessarily to be combined.

and this comment: this one is very confusing......is it or isn't it?  
don t forget, these are two different systems (BTD and GTD)...... and then follows up w/ this comment..
the protocols and the BTD encyclopedia will never be obsolete, BT is the key to your physiology, always!

so if blood type is always the key, where does genotype fit in?  
and if there are dif supps for GTD versus BTD, how does this make all the health series books and the encyclopedia still be ok?
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly fine w/ them still being valid for BTD and GTD. There just seems to be differing info.


I definitely want to know this as some of the supp's recommended in the LR4YT Book are not recommended in the GTD Book and if I'm going to go with one diet or the other, then that's the book I'm going to follow.  I'm not going to wobble back and forth between the two.  If I did that, I'd be eating alot of black dot items and avoids.

If several foods became avoids and black dots, why wouldn't several supp's become black dot and avoid supp's?  

I am very inqisitive about this because I want to do the right thing as much as possible for my body.  Not because I'm a "YANGY" (a waste of time challenging sad lost idiot); as Spring called that guy on the other thread!!! Ha....
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 9 - 33
Spring
Sunday, April 13, 2008, 12:09am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Funky, I don't bother about foods on the BTD only what Dr. D. has had to say about different ailments. If I hadn't had the chapter in LR4YT about polyamines I would never have been able to solve the problem I was having with canned and frozen stuff, cereals, etc. It was a lifesaver for me.  I was already taking the right supplements except for one, so that is no problem for me. I just don't seem to have too much of a problem relating the most recent information from BTD to what is going on now. When and/or if Dr. D. shares more of what he has learned I will certainly go with that. But we don't have that yet and there is nowhere else to turn for information that we need right now. So I'm satisfied with that.
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 10 - 33
Lola
Sunday, April 13, 2008, 1:11am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,009
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 57
unless you try getting a gtd swami done.....


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 11 - 33
funkymuse
Sunday, April 13, 2008, 1:22am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Quoted from Lola
unless you try getting a gtd swami done.....


man wouldn't we love to.  but i don't think they are done by email or phone..  
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 12 - 33
Lola
Sunday, April 13, 2008, 1:28am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,009
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 57
check the practitioner registry....who knows?


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 13 - 33
italybound
Sunday, April 13, 2008, 2:31am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

~Concealed~Carry~Hunter~
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 9,163
Location: Near St. Louis
Age: 58
Quoted from 1323
I definitely want to know this as some of the supp's recommended in the LR4YT Book are not recommended in the GTD Book and ...If several foods became avoids and black dots, why wouldn't several supp's become black dot and avoid supp's?


this is exactly my point funkymuse. thanks for putting it just so





Revision History (1 edits)
italybound  -  Sunday, April 13, 2008, 4:33pm
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 14 - 33
Spring
Sunday, April 13, 2008, 3:01am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Well, I'm sure you have already checked the ingredients of his GTD supplements - which cover a whole lot of supplement ground - and with the spices, etc., in the food lists, that is a LOT of information. This is what I did and I feel very satisfied that I am on the right track.
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 15 - 33
Lola
Sunday, April 13, 2008, 3:51am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,009
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 57
I mentioned this in another thread.....
if I were ever going to follow or had to follow a protocol for whatever ailment, I d first grab either the encyclopedia or the protocol index, and follow the advice given, without hesitation, even if I ve gone totally GT in lifestyle and diet guidelines.

to me, neither the protocols nor the encyclopedia will ever be obsolete, unless Dr D were to point something out along the way.


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 16 - 33
Lola
Sunday, April 13, 2008, 4:58am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,009
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 57
Cardiomyopathy, which literally means "heart muscle disease", is the deterioration of the function of the myocardium (i.e., the actual heart muscle)


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 17 - 33
funkymuse
Sunday, April 13, 2008, 2:17pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Well it's a bit strange that he carefully recommends certain supplements for each type but does not recommend deflect or a probiotic (at least for Hunter).

So one is left sort of   and has to just make the assumption that going ahead on with the NAP probiotic is the best thing to do based on gut research for this type of thing.

As far as deflect, I'm not sure what to do because of money constraints.  

With the new science, I'm sure that Lectins are still an issue    

But with the GTD speaks heavily of the gut healing if one avoids the Avoids and the  Black Dots for 2-4 months.

So possibly Deflect isn't needed unless one goes out and eats avoids  

But if one does not eat Avoids, maybe one does not need Deflect  
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 18 - 33
trish44
Sunday, April 13, 2008, 2:20pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Hunter
Sam Dan
Posts: 676
Gender: Female
Location: Texas
Age: 69
Thanks Lola,  I could not get the link to work immediately.  Now I see that it was the blog that I was being pointed to...  I am getting out my encyclopedia today.  Does anyone know a good source for butyreate (sp?)  one of the supplements recommended for hunter?


Trish44 (type O)
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 19 - 33
Lloyd
Sunday, April 13, 2008, 2:42pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1 (Hunter)
Sa Bon Nim
Administrator
Posts: 7,211
Quoted from 1323
Well it's a bit strange that he carefully recommends certain supplements for each type but does not recommend deflect or a probiotic (at least for Hunter).

So one is left sort of   and has to just make the assumption that going ahead on with the NAP probiotic is the best thing to do based on gut research for this type of thing.

As far as deflect, I'm not sure what to do because of money constraints.  

With the new science, I'm sure that Lectins are still an issue    

But with the GTD speaks heavily of the gut healing if one avoids the Avoids and the  Black Dots for 2-4 months.

So possibly Deflect isn't needed unless one goes out and eats avoids  

But if one does not eat Avoids, maybe one does not need Deflect  


This should answer your questions: http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HPG42

GenoType Complete + Healthy Digestion (7-pack) includes all the GTD supplements plus blood type specific probiotics and deflect.

Not mentioning something is not the same as saying you should not use it. Blood type supplements are still valuable. Your antigens do not change based on being in a certain GT and many things are still best addressed from a BT basis.

Using supplements to address specific things is not the same as mixing randomly mixing foods from the two diets.
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 20 - 33
italybound
Sunday, April 13, 2008, 2:49pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

~Concealed~Carry~Hunter~
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 9,163
Location: Near St. Louis
Age: 58
Quoted from trish44
  Does anyone know a good source for butyrate (sp?)  one of the supplements recommended for hunter?


Intrinsa or ghee.



Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 21 - 33
Lloyd
Sunday, April 13, 2008, 2:57pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1 (Hunter)
Sa Bon Nim
Administrator
Posts: 7,211
Quoted from italybound
Quoted from trish44
  Does anyone know a good source for butyrate (sp?)  one of the supplements recommended for hunter?



Intrinsa or ghee.


Yes. Also, all the dairy superfoods for Hunters are high in butyrate. So butter is fine as well, as are the listed hard cheeses. Intrinsa is the 'more pure' form.

Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 22 - 33
italybound
Sunday, April 13, 2008, 3:00pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

~Concealed~Carry~Hunter~
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 9,163
Location: Near St. Louis
Age: 58
Quoted from Lloyd
Yes. Also, all the dairy superfoods for Hunters are high in butyrate. So butter is fine as well, as are the listed hard cheeses. Intrinsa is the 'more pure' form.


thanks Lloyd!! I thought it was only ghee, so now we have more choices.



Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 23 - 33
trish44
Sunday, April 13, 2008, 3:59pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Hunter
Sam Dan
Posts: 676
Gender: Female
Location: Texas
Age: 69
Thanks, great! I do eat butter, even when I wasn't supposed to.....I am trying to remember if that was what was recommended for muscle cramps by Dr. D, I will have to check and then watch to see if I have those horrible things on the days when I eat butter or no butter.


Trish44 (type O)
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 24 - 33
2 Pages 1 2 » All Recommend Thread
Print Print Thread

BTD Forums    Diet and Nutrition    The GenoType Diet  ›  Supplements

Thread Rating
There is currently no rating for this thread