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funkymuse
Friday, April 11, 2008, 5:15pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Maybe Dr. C will comment on the study...I'd like to eat grapefruit and not have to worry.. If this thread were not in the Genotype forum, Dr. D might have commented on the study. Why was it started here?


me too.. i love them so much.  especially the juice!

I hope she does comment!

and if it is the chocolate, agave, ghee mixture that I am indulging in daily (one serving), that is causing my pain, then I will live with the breast pain!  By gosh...I am not giving that up!
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I have one every day for breakfast  peeled then roughly chopped put in a bowl and eaten - nothing added - luscious - couldn't do without it! the pink ones are the best, white ones are more tart and the red ones can be a bit bitter - none of your canned stuff - I like the real thing!
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I have one every day for breakfast  peeled then roughly chopped put in a bowl and eaten - nothing added - luscious - couldn't do without it! the pink ones are the best, white ones are more tart and the red ones can be a bit bitter - none of your canned stuff - I like the real thing!


Ah fellow Hunter!  

I paid $2.39 for an organic Red the other day.  Too much!  Which brings me to a point I've been wanting to address:

They say that one can safely eat non-organics if they are things you need to peel... i.e. apples, grapefruit, sweet potatoes, etc., etc... BUT if the land they are grown on is being fed with chemicals and bad water, doesn't that go into the meat of the vegetable/fruit through the tree roots or seedling roots, and still have bad effects on us?

Maybe I should start a separate thread on this...
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Interesting thread....I have premenstrual breast pain, unless I faithfully use progesterone cream
for 2 weeks before it comes.  But I am not always consistent.    I agree with Chloe that it can be
an estrogen dominance thing.  It's funny about grapefruit, it's got something called naringen, that
can interfere with certain medications also.  It's a bit too bitter for me, so I tend to avoid it.  
I will have it once in a blue moon, and when in the mood, it's very good.
There is another supplement I am wondering about here, chaste berry/vitex and maybe some form
of gla oil, like black currant seed, or whichever is correct for your type.  Sometimes they can help.
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Maybe Dr. C will comment on the study...I'd like to eat grapefruit and not have to worry.. If this thread were not in the Genotype forum, Dr. D might have commented on the study. Why was it started here?


Lola...Can we please move this thread to a more general location so perhaps Dr. D will comment?


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Teri, sorry if my post scared you, didn't mean to. I'll elaborate. When all the articles suddenly appeared in the press and on the news I just thought SH*T, another stupid health scare, this time about one of my favourite foods. I'm always sceptical of these research projects, we don't know many details about sample size, other factors etc. I carried on eating grapefruit for a while and then just realised that I wasn't enjoying them as before, so I made a purely personal decision, in line with my general thinking about food, that it's not good for the digestion to eat something feeling even vaguely worried about it, even if the worry isn't entirely evidence-based. I like to eat my food with enthusiasm. When I was pregnant with both of my children there were various food scares about pregnant women eating soft-cooked eggs, soft cheese, smoked salmon and liver. I didn't feel even vaguely anxious, continued to eat them all occasionally with great enjoyment (pre-BTD obviously!)and everything was fine. Just couldn't summon up that feeling over the grapefruit so decided to ditch them. But if you want to carry on enjoying them, then good for you.
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Hey Mayflowers the thread was started here because I'm not a member of the GTD site and I just use the GTD Forum Thread to address GTD issues... which seems to be all the time now!
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The studies are quite mixed. Women taking a minimum of 1/4 grapefruit daily has a 1.3 RR (see my latest blog for details) of greater incidence of breast cancer. However, limonene and other bioflavanoids in citrus are potent inhibitors of breast cancer as well.

Reading between the lines it would appear that your risk of having this effect from grapefruit is directly proportional to the level of other toxins (besides estrogens) in your body, particularly your digestive tract, such as polyamines.


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Looks like there is a focus on grapefruit's effect on the liver, specifically CYP 450 3A4, which is involved in the metabolism of estrogens.  It's effects on the liver is also why patients are told not to eat it while taking certain medications.

However, as Dr. D. stated, there are other constituents found in grapefruit that have anti-cancer properties, and other factors play a role on an individual level. (Can't forget that individual component that we all bring to the table!)
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Looks like there is a focus on grapefruit's effect on the liver, specifically CYP 450 3A4, which is involved in the metabolism of estrogens.  It's effects on the liver is also why patients are told not to eat it while taking certain medications.

However, as Dr. D. stated, there are other constituents found in grapefruit that have anti-cancer properties, and other factors play a role on an individual level. (Can't forget that individual component that we all bring to the table!)


Thank you Dr. D and Dr. C!

My  liver is a bit comprimised due to my hemochromotosis so my NP is continually informing me that I don't process things to well such as caffeine, etc., and that my system is very sensitive due to increased Iron in my blood at any given time depending on how often I get my blood let.  

So I'm still not sure how to take this all since I certainly ate (binged) on chocolate and caffeine in the past without much affect and now that my body is getting very balanced this breast pain pops up.  It could just be conincendental with heading into peri menopause more and more with each passing day.

I guess the rest is left for me to figure out!!

So I'm off caffeine except for my daily chocolate treat (all compliant); and a slight bit of green tea (pretty diluted); I do have Yerba which does not have caffeine; and I tried the Grapefruit juice this morning again.  I am upping my progesterone creme and we will just see how it goes.  

Thanks again!!!
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Funky, why do you just have a little green tea? It is good for the polyamine problem. You can buy naturally decaffeinated green tea, but I thought it was low in caffeine anyway. I quit having any problems with my breasts when I started taking evening primrose oil years ago. If it hadn't been on my Warrior diet, I don't know what I would have done because of the magic in this oil!  Before that, it was an ongoing aggravation.

I don't think Hunters are supposed to have e.p. but there are other oils that would do the same thing, no doubt. I would certainly look into it. This would be something different from fish oil. I have taken that, too, for decades but the e.p. affects me in another way altogether. It also makes me feel wonderful.
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if I were to take a sup or a herb, or had to follow a protocol, I d only look into following the protocols given by Dr D, and I wouldn t hesitate in following the advice given in the BT encyclopedia....always, even if I m fully into the GTD!


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The studies are quite mixed. Women taking a minimum of 1/4 grapefruit daily has a 1.3 RR (see my latest blog for details) of greater incidence of breast cancer. However, limonene and other bioflavanoids in citrus are potent inhibitors of breast cancer as well.

Reading between the lines it would appear that your risk of having this effect from grapefruit is directly proportional to the level of other toxins (besides estrogens) in your body, particularly your digestive tract, such as polyamines.


Thank you for answering Dr. D., and Dr. C.
So, how does one know if it's individually ok to eat grapefruit? How do we determine the level of our polymines?
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if I were to take a sup or a herb, or had to follow a protocol, I d only look into following the protocols given by Dr D, and I wouldn t hesitate in following the advice given in the BT encyclopedia....always, even if I m fully into the GTD!


It is funny, Lola, but I was only taking one supplement Dr. D. didn't recommend for Warriors in one way or another. That was licorice. I have been taking some of these supplements for a decade and others for over 40 years. I was so glad that the knowledge I had gained from the BTD and my own experience stood me in good stead during those years, and I didn't wind up doing more harm than good.
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I found this interesting because since going into Perimenopause, my poor breasts have been hurting so bad and


Don't smack me for saying this, but....you're not pregnant are you?  My husband's sister started going through menopause and was really, really tired and achy and went to her doctor.  Surprise, you're pregnant, she was told, much to her astonishment....she's over 40 with two teenage boys already.


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That pooooooooor woman!   That would have killed me dead for sure!
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yeah, but that lucky woman, too! (just the other side of the coin)
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Now I'll make this issue even more confusing.  There was a study 2 years ago (I blogged about it) that said ruby read grapefruit was one of the best things you could eat for cholesterol.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-02/acs-rga020806.php


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It seems every single wonder food there is has a dark side to it! Sort of like the high oxalate foods and the risk of kidney stones in some people. But we've survived this long eating loads of it, so my thinking is there is still a lot to learn about how all the components work together - which Dr. D. has certainly made a huge dent in! I would eat red grapefruit every day if I didn't hurt so bad.
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Soy is one of those foods that has a dark side for some BT's.


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Don't smack me for saying this, but....you're not pregnant are you?  My husband's sister started going through menopause and was really, really tired and achy and went to her doctor.  Surprise, you're pregnant, she was told, much to her astonishment....she's over 40 with two teenage boys already.


I've thought about it.  But I did bleed very lightly for two days this month and my  husband is fixed.  Plus I'm 49.  So the chances are very low.

My tummy has been swollen for no reason what-so-ever and that's the main reason I thought maybe it was a remote possiblity.

Can you bleed when you are pregnant?
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Can you bleed when you are pregnant?


If that is what is going on with you at your age, I would think it would be a strong possibility! But I don't think this is your problem. On this diet, every now and then I swell up, too, but after a day or two I'm right back down again. How long has this been going on? Have you gained any weight?  
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If that is what is going on with you at your age, I would think it would be a strong possibility! But I don't think this is your problem. On this diet, every now and then I swell up, too, but after a day or two I'm right back down again. How long has this been going on? Have you gained any weight?  


When this all started 2-1/2-3 weeks ago, yes the scale was NOT budging and I was up 3-5 lbs on any given day.  Since I've dropped two of those lbs (as of 2 days ago), but haven't weighed since as I don't like the disappointment of it.  
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If your husband is "fixed" you shouldn't be pregnant, but yes, you can bleed during pregnancy and it's not good if you do.  My recommendation is to simply go buy an at-home pregnancy test just to make sure.  I know ladies in their early 50s still having babies.  Is it really possible that your husband......well, I know the first few weeks after a "V" you should avoid each other because of the possibility, but after that isn't it pretty much a sure-fire thing that it's not going to happen?


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