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funkymuse
Friday, April 11, 2008, 12:11am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I found this interesting because since going into Perimenopause, my poor breasts have been hurting so bad and I've been weeding through my diet trying to find the culprit of my increased estrogen.  Well, when starting the GTD, I found that Grapefruit and it's juice were SUPER foods, so I delved in as I love both.  

So I'm thinking maybe this might be a culprit based on this study I read in the April issue of Self Magazine:

"Grapefruit may elevate the odds of developing breast cancer, at least in post menopausal women.  A study of 50,000 older women in British Journal of Cancer found that those who ate half a grapefruit every other day were 30 percent more likely to develop breast cancer than women who never ate it.  Compounds in the fruit block the production of an enzyme that helps your body metabolize estrogen; the more estrogen in your system, the higher your risk.  More research needs to be done, but if you're concerned, switch to oranges, which don't have the same hormonal effect.

Anybody know of this study?  I think I'll google for more....
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Friday, April 11, 2008, 12:34am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I love grapefruit but it makes me hurt like the dickens so I'm avoiding it right now. Grapefruit sure is a hard fruit to love!   It is one of the few things that bother me that I haven't simply turned against and forgotten. I still want to like the stuff!
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Humm that's interesting Spring.  I wonder if increased estrogen causes swelling...   which of course would cause pain.

I put Agave Syrup on my fresh ones and Stevia in the juice.  I just love it in the mornings... but now I'm suspecious that it's my pain culprit... sigh.
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did you follow the menopause book before GTD?
how is grapefruit rated there?


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funkymuse
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Quoted from Lola
did you follow the menopause book before GTD?
how is grapefruit rated there?


No I didn't but grapefruit is an avoid for menopause.  I'm was hoping that changed with the GT diet because the menopause book was based on the BTD.  
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well there you go then!
it s good to follow your GT guidelines with your menopause symptoms in mind....same with other health issues and such, until the body balances out.

a gtd swami program, designed for your physiology, might also have grapefruit as an avoid, perhaps?

we need to use common sense here, in our food choices.


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Grapefruit is supposed to be a superfood for me too but it bothers me. Lately the only thing I've had is the juice, so maybe the fruit would be better, but having candida issues, so avoiding it all together. This is something to think about tho.  



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Well, that's not good. Grapefruit is on my superfoods list  
Question number 56 for Dr. D. I don't know what to do now.
I was just going to eat it tonight too.
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I'm looking in my menopause book and grapefruit is Neutral allowed frequently for Type O.  


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I'm looking in my menopause book and grapefruit is Neutral allowed frequently for Type O.  


OPPS!   I was looking in the Arthritis book!  

sorry!  

Glad you looked!  So now we are back to what the study said as far as looking at this.

I haven't had it now in 3 days and my breasts are still sore.  

Do breasts grow in perimenopause or in mid-life (49)?

As they are so sore and feel so swollen now.
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Self magazine printed this, right? It is not a medical journal, do they quote a source of this information?
Taking blood type and geno type into account is essential when reading any information.
  If we can find the actual study it would  help in evaluating the information for accuracy.
  


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Self magazine printed this, right? It is not a medical journal, do they quote a source of this information?
Taking blood type and geno type into account is essential when reading any information.
  If we can find the actual study it would  help in evaluating the information for accuracy.
  


http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/07/cancer_grapefruit.html
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I'm looking in my menopause book and grapefruit is Neutral allowed frequently for Type O.  


If one is following GTD, don't the health series books become null and void? The encyclopedia supps are.    and speaking of that, what about the protocols? if one is following GTD are they null and void as well?



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I've just noticed this thread, interesting for me as I posted about this a few months ago when the information first appeared in the press. I used to have a grapefruit every morning for breakfast, am now 51, have been prone to breast pain in one breast on and off (not right now). There were various helpful replies but the bottom line for me was that, much as I really love grapefruit, the uncertainty completely spoiled my enjoyment so I sadly gave them up. Incidentally, re breast pain, I don't think that stopping grapefruit necessarily made a difference but that quite possibly, an Omega-3 capsule three times possibly has.
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Quoted from italybound


If one is following GTD, don't the health series books become null and void? The encyclopedia supps are.    and speaking of that, what about the protocols? if one is following GTD are they null and void as well?


My thoughts since the beginning as well!  I just didn't know how to ask the questions!  

I would suspect that Dr. D is working on a whole new set of health series books based on the GTD info. and 'science.'  

I mean it has been said several times that the BTD and the  GTD are two different entities and not necessarily to be combined.
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My thoughts since the beginning as well!  I just didn't know how to ask the questions!  


Me either. Now I feel like if I'm going to GTD, which I want to, I have a whole bunch of books here that are not helpful and none other than the GTD book, that are. It's very disheartening. Not to mention, if we have to pay to use the GTD site, that is out for me as well, as many others, so we  only have the GTD book and our awesome members here to help us out.



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Funkymuse, there might be some information in this article that could be helpful.

http://curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=1133455

Been there and done the many hormonal imbalance years and my experience has been that estrogen
dominance and a lessening of progesterone being produced each month during cycles where
you're not ovulating during peri menopause is the culprit behind the breast tenderness and other awful estrogen dominance symptoms.  

It helps to both increase natural progesterone while at the same time taking supplements that
helps remove excess estrogen in the body.  From NAP checkout Fem Balance, Aromastat and
Hepatiguard.  I have taken all three with good results.


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Funkymuse, there might be some information in this article that could be helpful.

http://curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=1133455

Been there and done the many hormonal imbalance years and my experience has been that estrogen
dominance and a lessening of progesterone being produced each month during cycles where
you're not ovulating during peri menopause is the culprit behind the breast tenderness and other awful estrogen dominance symptoms.  

It helps to both increase natural progesterone while at the same time taking supplements that
helps remove excess estrogen in the body.  From NAP checkout Fem Balance, Aromastat and
Hepatiguard.  I have taken all three with good results.


Thank you.  I'm on a natural progesterone right now and my NP may put me on a very small dose of prescribed if I don't improve soon.  I'll check the other supps as well.  This month I only had a very very small period.  And breasts were sore a few days before that and increasingly so afterwards now into about 2-1/2 weeks of soreness. ouch!...
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Quoted from Frances AB
I've just noticed this thread, interesting for me as I posted about this a few months ago when the information first appeared in the press. I used to have a grapefruit every morning for breakfast, am now 51, have been prone to breast pain in one breast on and off (not right now). There were various helpful replies but the bottom line for me was that, much as I really love grapefruit, the uncertainty completely spoiled my enjoyment so I sadly gave them up. Incidentally, re breast pain, I don't think that stopping grapefruit necessarily made a difference but that quite possibly, an Omega-3 capsule three times possibly has.

I'm reading through this thread and it's scaring me. I eat a whole organic grapefruit every other day, so about 4 whole grapefruits a week (unsweetened)! That puts me well within the 30% who are at increased risk of developing breast cancer, according to the study. Except that I'm not post-menopausal, so does it really? I have no soreness in my breasts or any other negative effect of eating grapefruit, but the uncertainty might very well spoil my enjoyment now too.

Here's another article that might help to make a decision whether to keep eating it or not...

More Study of Grapefruit Needed

Seems like the study still left a lot of unanswered questions, including the effects of grapefruit juice vs. the whole fruit.

And what about grapefruit for men? My hub eats as much of it as I do.


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a grapefruit a day, keeps the doctor away!
at least for me!
I have one whole GF every PM, it s my dessert for the day, besides being a diamond in my GT2 guidelines.

I did follow the menopause HS book for a while, as a preventative measure, when I hit 50, it helped balance out my hormones together with fembalance.

I believe that helped kick meno right in the butt!!!


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I'm a huge fan of Estraphase by NAP.  From the NAP catalog:

Estraphase is a unique blend of three synergistic ingredients: Calcium combined with Glucaric acid to form calcium D-glucarate, and the botanical Phyllanthus.

Glucaric acid is found in small amounts in our bodies and in fruits and vegetables.  Calcium D-glucarate is a form of glucaric acid, which is utilized in the body to enhance the process by which the body rids itself of potentially dangerous environmental pollutants, including foreign organic compounds, fat-soluable toxins and excess steroid hormones such as estrogen.
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yes, I believe the new GT sups contain GA, too.


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Quoted from Lola
a grapefruit a day, keeps the doctor away!
at least for me!
I have one whole GF every PM, it s my dessert for the day, besides being a diamond in my GT2 guidelines.

I did follow the menopause HS book for a while, as a preventative measure, when I hit 50, it helped balance out my hormones together with fembalance.

I believe that helped kick meno right in the butt!!!

Awesome, Lola, and thanks! This is enough to get me right back on the grapefruit wagon. Think I'll go and have one now!

Interesting to note that the ones on this thread that are experiencing "soreness" from grapefruit are secretors. I wonder how much that has to do with it?

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I'm a huge fan of Estraphase by NAP.  From the NAP catalog:

Estraphase is a unique blend of three synergistic ingredients: Calcium combined with Glucaric acid to form calcium D-glucarate, and the botanical Phyllanthus.

Glucaric acid is found in small amounts in our bodies and in fruits and vegetables.  Calcium D-glucarate is a form of glucaric acid, which is utilized in the body to enhance the process by which the body rids itself of potentially dangerous environmental pollutants, including foreign organic compounds, fat-soluable toxins and excess steroid hormones such as estrogen.

This is great information too.


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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6900482.stm
Here is another link with the same information.

  
  
   The GTD looks at my particular hereditary weaknesses (genes) and then turns down the volume on those genes that might cause disease.

Grapefruit does some very positive things for my GT. So I will stick with the GTD and my lovely grapefruit, that I eat while in season.

    Too much of a good thing is just too much.


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Maybe Dr. C will comment on the study...I'd like to eat grapefruit and not have to worry.. If this thread were not in the Genotype forum, Dr. D might have commented on the study. Why was it started here?
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