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Ribbit
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I went to the hfs and looked for a quorn product, since it's supposed to be pretty good stuff.  But all the quorn "nuggets" and such had things like whey protein powder, soybean protein, corn starch and wheat flour.  Sounds like it's still toxic to me.  Where do I find quorn that's just plain?


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I went to the hfs and looked for a quorn product, since it's supposed to be pretty good stuff.  But all the quorn "nuggets" and such had things like whey protein powder, soybean protein, corn starch and wheat flour.  Sounds like it's still toxic to me.  Where do I find quorn that's just plain?


When I googled "quorn" I was taken to a website where they sell manufactured products using
quorn and there are tons of additives in their frozen foods that appear to be toxic to most of the Genotypes.   Quorn doesn't seem to be sold as one simple ingredient.  At least I've never
seen any plain quorn in any of my health food store travels.

Then I found a site from CSPI which had a list of people complaining about digestive problems
from ingesting quorn.  


http://www.cspinet.org/quorn/victims.html



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...But all the quorn "nuggets" and such had things like whey protein powder, soybean protein, corn starch and wheat flour...Where do I find quorn that's just plain?


Quorn {Fusarium venenatum - Ascomycota,
Class: Sordariomycetes, Order: Hypocreales}

Best left un-et though because of all the Fusarium sp. it is related to.

They are out there - Maybe not in Etats Unis as of yet though.
Careful reading of the ingredients will reveal varying amounts of toxic additives, from the same company, in its different products. I never saw Quorn in US til I moved to UK, but thats been several years now.
There is an excellent Bratwurst-type sausage available, but when I eat that I am not really too concerned with the additives - Just paying homage to my German roots really.



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Quorn is good for us Warriors.. "One man's food is another man's poison"


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Good grief.  All those testimonies makes me really think. I realize one man's food is another man's poison, but still....!  If I ate the ingredients listed on the Quorn products I saw, I wouldn't feel good either.  But where did Dr. D come up with some plain Quorn to test?  Kind of like soy cheese.  Soy cheese is beneficial for me, but yet, all the soy cheese I've ever found has avoids in it.


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  But where did Dr. D come up with some plain Quorn to test?  Kind of like soy cheese.  Soy cheese is beneficial for me, but yet, all the soy cheese I've ever found has avoids in it.

Just based on its make up and ours it has benefcial properties for us Warriors. Probably based on one of his  computer programs.
What does that mean "tested"? Tested on what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorn
Mycoprotein is a generic term for protein-rich foodstuffs made from processed edible fungus




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Well, you know....."tested" by Dr. D.  Whatever he does with food to test to see if it's good, bad or ugly.


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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorn
Mycoprotein is a generic term for protein-rich foodstuffs made from processed edible fungus.


That might be true - but enter 'Fusarium' into Wiki then read on...We can do the similar 'protein' with scads of other Myco specimens besides the Fusarium venenatum PTA-2684.
And though Dr D may suggest its use as per GTD - I can recall several times stated in the past that it was just not worth it as per BTD.



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Good grief.  All those testimonies makes me really think. I realize one man's food is another man's poison, but still....!  If I ate the ingredients listed on the Quorn products I saw, I wouldn't feel good either.  But where did Dr. D come up with some plain Quorn to test?  Kind of like soy cheese.  Soy cheese is beneficial for me, but yet, all the soy cheese I've ever found has avoids in it.


All but one of the soy cheeses I've ever tasted were some of the worst things ever visited on mankind in the name of food, IMO!  There is no telling how many pounds of this junk I've thrown away in the past years trying to find an eatable cheese! And it certainly isn't cheap. I finally did find one that worked, sort of, but, guess what, it contained casein!

That is why I'm so excited about paneer/farmer's cheese!

As for this Quorn - how is it that people can mess up food so badly?
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I think Dr. D. should help us out with some of these foods that have the deck stacked against us from the get-go! Like some of the supplements that I have never seen in my life, can't find them doing a search on the Internet and which a Warrior seemingly shouldn't be without.
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What about the hamburger crumbles style?  That was just the plain stuff, I thought.
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I believe you could make your own soy cheese using lemon juice......like the simple paneer recipe we have .....
think that s how tofu is made, also, and you could add compliant spices....
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supplements that I have never seen in my life, can't find them doing a search on the Internet and which a Warrior seemingly shouldn't be without.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HPG41
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HPG42


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Are you serious?  That's how to make soy cheese?  But that wouldn't make it all stretchy and melty, and that's the whole point of cheese.  I guess it's the casein or sodium caseinate that makes it stretchy.


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that is how tofu came to be.....someone poured lemon juice on the soy milk......others use a seaweed to ferment.....nigari I believe it s called....not sure then it s left to drip and get the consistency you need.....
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Nigari (Magnesium Chloride) is the traditional coagulant used by Asian Tofu manufacturers According to the Mori-Nu web site, "Gluconolactone is a non-dairy, gluten-free coagulant derived from corn starch." Nasoya.  Their web site lists the coagulants as Calcium Sulfate and Magnesium Chloride, two mineral salts which should be essentially neutral.
Nigari is mostly magnesium chloride.Commercial tofu also uses gypsum (calcium sulfate) or calcium chloride.
Some commercial products use: Glucono-delta-lactone
Those making tofu at home sometimes use: Vinegar, lemon or lime juice


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