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markkow
Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 9:46pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi all. I'm an O hunter and am absolutely convinced this is the right diet for me. My quest for the right diet began about 4-5 years ago when my sister developed breast cancer at a very young age (22, she is ok now), which took my mother at a young age. I tried some whacky things like the PH miracle, which is pretty much eating only raw vegetables and no fruit, possibly the worst thing for a type O. Because of this my family pretty much wonít take any advice I give them about diet seriously - very stubborn in their ways. They eat lots of bread, pasta, pork, potatos and cereal - believe this to be good for them, and think I'm crazy for avoiding all those foods.

The sad thing is it seems like my entire family are sick. Diabetes, arthritis, MS, high blood pressure, overweight etc. Even my younger brother (I'm 25 he is 22) complains about various ailments. Meanwhile I load myself with lots of hunter foods and have hunter exercise and just know like never before that I will be disease free all my life. Maybe in a few years I'll cut down on the avoid treats I have however I feel like eating lots of hunter foods makes me more capable of consuming the odd chocolate bar and coffee

I would really love to get them on the GTD or BTD but I just can't see it happening. I tried recommending to my Dad that if he stopped eating so much bread he would lose weight. I said I was intolerant so he probably was too but he just laughed it off. I really don't want him to develop the serious health problems his parents have.

One thing I tried was testing my cholesterol, which turned out perfect, and then explained to my sister and parents that for about a year I've averaged about 15 times the amount of red meat recommended to keep it low - but even this didn't leave an impression!

I know the best way is too lead by example, but this doesn't really work because I've not had any major problems to overcome, only some excess weight around my stomach, tiredness and dandruff. All this went away after giving up wheat, but hardly life changing examples as far as my family are concerned.

Does anyone have any tips or examples of getting other people to try this diet, especially someone over 50 and quite stuck in their way? Sorry if this has been discussed in lenght, please point me in the right direction if so.

Thanks for reading and thanks Dr D, please keep up the good work.

PS. As chocolate is good for a hunter does that mean cocoa in hot water is okay? I love it! But if itís not okay I'll stop drinking it.
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hard to convince other O's when they are in what I call the "wheat" stupor


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Sorry, no tips.  I could use some myself.  All around me I see people who could benefit from following this diet.  But I haven't been able to convince them.

When they are ready, they will be ready.

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I, too, am very frustrated about 'witnessing' about the BTD/GTD to other people.  Most people are sick of hearing me talk about it and even though I stay well and they still overweight and sick, no one will listen to me.  I can't help them.  I am powerless.


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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Hi Markkow!
Ever heard the expression: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink?
That's the downside : )
Here's the upside- what worked for me with various people are these two approaches:
1. Find something they are really interested in and use an analogy to persuade them, i.e. somebody who races cars would only ever put the very best of petrol/ parts/ oil into his car- why would he not do the same for himself? High octane petrol DOES make an engine run way better etc...And he would NEVER put diesel into a petrol car now, would he??
Or: if you need to explain genetics: Look at the millions of dollars spend on racehorses on the strength of their ancestry. Why would businessmen spend it, if that didn't make all the difference? And those horses get the VERY best of feed! WHY?? Would it be, because they are healthier, stronger, faster because of it????? IMAGINE such a thing!!!!!
2. Do you know 'Lego' bricks? Remember when as a kid (when there were only basic blocks available, not the fancy blocks of today) you would try to build lets say a house and were stuck for a 4-block? You just had to make do with a 3 or even a 2. Your house ended up not looking so good, because the block was the wrong size. And neither was your house as strong as it could have been! Now imagine being stuck for the right size block in every row of your house- it would look a right mess after 10 rows, wouldn't it? Even though your mum would still recognise it as a house.
The same goes for your body. Your cells can only be renewed decently, if your body gets the right kind of high quality building blocks all the time or else it has to make do with substandard stuff and guess what? Your body ends up looking just as much of a mess as your 'Lego' house did.
That makes logical sense, doesn't it? Most men are logical beings- these arguments are right down their alley!
But I do see how you are struggling with convincing them. Food can be a very emotional subject.
You can try this as well: get them to agree to a 2-week trial time- dare them into it! 2 weeks is not that long, one can see the end of it. It is way easier to agree not to eat bread for two weeks than you telling them that they should never ever in their WHOLE life ever eat bread again- that is WAY too scary! After two weeks the worst is over. A lot of food choices are only habit. And one's taste buds change as well within that time, another great help. And the detox will be over and first health improvements should definitely have happened! PROOF IT WORKED!! YEY!!
What will help them do the transition is this mindset: Don't tell yourself, oh I can't have this food, it is forbidden (that will only make you crave it more), but do a deal with yourself along the lines: If I wasn't to eat this (avoid) food what else (beneficial) might I eat? Sometimes only that 'Avoid' will do- have it , enjoy it and maybe next time you will not eat it. Concentrate on eating more beneficials first, then start cutting out avoids. Don't expect them to go 'cold turkey' : ) Don't deny yourself a food, try to substitute instead, i.e. parsnips are an excellent straight swap for potatoes (as I found out).

When I started eating for my type, at every meal I had to justify why I ate something or not. It generally ended in a heated discussion with my fellow diners, not enjoyable! Now I just tell people I don't like that particular food, or that it does not agree with me. Keep it simple. If I get the impression they are interested in more info, I try them with: I eat to suit my bloodtype and see how that goes. If they are intrigued they'll ask for more detail and only then do i give them the whole broadside, so to speak.
An important point to get across is this one: In the past (the very distant one) the change of diet came FIRST, then the bloodtypes changed to 'cope'. Most people think it's the other way round. That this geezer (Dr. D) had somehow taken an idea and ran with it to make a ton of money out of mugs (=gullible people). Sorry Dr.D, there will always be people for whom the world will stay flat- ooh, another argument. Just because millions of people say the same thing ('The world is flat', '(wheat) bread is good for you') does not make it right.
Did you know that the average GP in his multiple years of studying medicine, had a mere 2 weeks of nutrition (in Ireland anyway)- not a lot, is it??
And the people that tell you that (wheat) bread is good are probably bakers (in order to make a ton of money, incidently)- anyhow, todays wheat has nearly nothing in common anymore with the wheat your grannies bread was baked from. Maybe' her wheat' would not have been an avoid but a neutral, I don't know.
What also helps me not to give into avoids is this: ask yourself for example 'Pizza or No-symptoms'? If the symptoms are undesirable enough, the choice is real easy- every time. Of course this does not help if the person in question sees nothing wrong with his/ her aches and pains- guess they are just not feeling sick enough!

If changing one's diet does not harm you, why not give it a try, one has nothing to lose, but all to gain! If a person does not accept that the healing nature of beneficial foods exist, then how do they explain the addictive nature of the foods they claim they cannot live without?? It's the same point!

I hope some of this will help you- I do tend to lose the run of myself- years of these heated discussions, see?  : )

My biggest hurdle will always be, how come that even though I eat sooo perfectly, I still get sick. Only answer: imagine how much sicker I would be without eating right for my type! One  important person in my corner: my traditional medicine specialist who every time he sees me showers me with compliments how well I look- and he sees lots of people with the same disease as mine every day! If it wasn't true, he wouldn't keep saying it, and- he always checks with me if I still eat 'in the funny way'. One of these days I'll have him convinced! Can't wait : )


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Wow.  That is the longest post ever!  And full of wonderful words of wisdom.  Thank you!


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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When they are ready, they will be ready.


That's the truth.
My partner has watched me on the BTD for the last 4 years getting more and more healthy. Nothing I could say or do would convince her to do it ... even though it was her naturopath that recommended the diet to her and that's how I found out about it.
Anyway, a month or so ago, out of the blue, she started on the Warrior diet and hasn't stopped. And it had nothing to do with me.  
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That's the truth.
My partner has watched me on the BTD for the last 4 years getting more and more healthy. Nothing I could say or do would convince her to do it ... even though it was her naturopath that recommended the diet to her and that's how I found out about it.
Anyway, a month or so ago, out of the blue, she started on the Warrior diet and hasn't stopped. And it had nothing to do with me.  

the chagrin of it!! but high five anyway.




Eating half and exercising double.
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Yes...soooooo true.  I had been trying to convince my family and my hubby's family to go the BTD way of life since I started over 7 years ago because of how good I felt and by how much weight I had lost.  

In the late summer of last year, a few changes had happened in my life and I had finally resolved to not push as much anymore.  Alot of stress is gone and I am much more relaxed although I didn't think I could be since BTD helped alot with that.  

My side of the family has seen the results in me, but choose to stay with their aches, pains, weight and health problems.  That also included my immediate family.  Although our oldest O daughter has changed a few things in her diet towards BTD...too bad she doesn't like meat.  My hubby has slowly been going towards BTD/GTD way of life.  We don't know his secretor status and he doesn't want to be measured for GTD, but he is taking an interest here and there.  He knows he cannot eat pork anymore as he gets an upset stomach.  YES!!!  Not that I want him to get an upset stomach, but hey... He has been slowly weaning himself off of sugar...he loves fudge and has gone to peanuts and other compliant nuts.  Just have to make sure he doesn't eat too many of them.

On my hubby's side, his youngest sister A (secretor test in the works for her and family Thanks Mikeo) had started BTD just before GTD came out.  She thought she would give it a try because when she had seen me at Thanksgiving she was quite impressed and said that everytime she sees me I look better and better.  Thank you T.  And...talk about confusion for her when she couldn't mesh the two diets together even though she tried.  She is a teacher and her one love is red meat, but she gets sore stomachs from that  She has found elk and is amazed and so pleased that she did not have any reaction to it.  She has found a place in the Ottawa area that sells ostrich, emu, pheasant and bison.  The last two are mainly for me she says.  

So...just to let you know markkow...it can happen.  We just have to plant the seeds and hope that someday something will grow.  Be glad that you don't have any illness' to heal...it is not fun.  You are a big step ahead of many of us.   Keep on hunter eating...and keep on posting.

vandelam...the seeds were planted and watered and then the sun came out at the right time.  

Debra

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I can relate to all your comments. So true, so true. People's eyes do glaze over when I go on too long about my diet. I overwhelm them with too much stuff and they pick one small example as an argument , such as,"But I like cabbage". People think I am criticizing them and their choices, not trying to help them. So of course they don't like it.

I find it is better just to feed people. Invite your Dad over for dinner and cook something he will really like that is on your diet. Don't even mention the food or the diet. Just feed him and talk about something he is interested in.
Next time you go over take some baking or some bread you like and have them try it.

My daughter came home from University all tired and with the sniffles. The next morning I gave her breakfast in bed. She is an "O" so I gave her roast beef cut up small , some cranberry sauce, some pumpkin seeds, some green tea. She looked at me groggily and said, "roast beef?". I said,"Yes" and walked out. She came out a little while later with her empty plate, all smiles and said, "As soon as I ate the cranberry sauce, my nose cleared up.


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does that mean cocoa in hot water is okay?

indeed!!


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"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink" how true!

But...."you can cause them to become thirsty enough that they want to drink"

I feel your frustration markkow, but all we can do is lead by example. I get so upset with my mom, who has had two lung cancer surgeries, who is a type AB, and all she does is complain about her aches and pains while at the same time telling me about the "delicious" pork roast they had last night. ARGH!!!

Hang in there, it is hard to see them suffer, but old habits are hard to change.


"Be as gentle as  possible, and as firm as necessary".   Tom Dorrance-the 'father' of natural horsemanship

How true, for life, parenting, horse and dog training!
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Wow...yvonneb, you keep  up like that and you are going to give Peppy Twist a run for her money!!!   
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Markkow: I think the psychological makeup of relatives & close friends is that they feel more threatened when a close person tells them to do something.  They just feel more pressured & so back off. If a stranger you will never see again suggests something, you feel freer to mull it over & maybe try it, knowing you won't have to account to that person.
After many years, that's how I figured it out!
It actually takes a shorter time to keep your mouth shut & live your life. Eventually, someone will ask questions. Maybe when the next big flu outbreak makes everyone else sick except you or the usual degenerative diseases strike all the other relatives, maybe they will get desperate enough.
At least you are free to eat what you want. Enjoy BTDin' & GTDin'. They will come around!!!!
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I think the biggest obstacle that no one mentions in these discussions is what to eat.  People I know frequently ask me "What do you eat, anyway?" after hearing a few of the things I can't/don't eat (usually corn, wheat, and processed sugar are the first mentioned).  If you take away everything someone is accustomed to eating but don't tell them what they can eat, they will feel overwhelmed.  I sure did!  But I had an unusually strong motivation to push forward anyway, that most people lack.

In other areas of my life I have discovered this principle to be true, that when you are trying to change yourself, you can't take something away without replacing it, if you expect the change to stick.  Now if I can figure out how to apply this when I'm talking to people about BTD!
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I get so frustrated at people when they complain about their aches and pains, but do nothing to try to remedy the situation. Then I started to look at other parts of their lives, most of the complainers have no life! No hobbies, no volunteering, no good books to read, just the TV (which is a depressant I think). What else is there then besides their so called "comfort food"

Not to sound self-righteous or anything, but... I am too busy to eat lousey, and feel lousey from what I eat. I am just getting over the flu, and boy oh boy, it is bad enough to feel crummy from a germ, but to go back to feeling crummy from something I chose to put in my body. Well... how dumb is that? I love feeling strong and healthy enough to take care of my family, dogs,  horses, cross country skiing, hunting, fishing, camping, gardening, bird watching...
See, too busy to eat crummy!!!

My husband is starting to see that what he eats does affect him. He is a bit easier to persuade, I do all the cooking and shopping. Eat all those yummy Hunter foods, or... go hungry.

yvonneb, I really liked your informative post!


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I totally agree that the focus needs to be on the things people can have and not what they can't (although that should be part of the conversation).

My answer to a person who couldn't grasp (as an A) how halibut and cabbage could be bad for her was that strawberries are supposed to be good for you but people can still be allergic to them. You have to think of BTD avoids as foods that create allergic reactions you don't necessarily notice the effects of.

My husband keeps asking if I think GTD will help with his issues but he doesn't want to be proactive about it (we're waiting for his secretor status to determine GTD but he doesn't follow BTD either if I'm not around). When GTD came out, I emailed my family about it and said if they wanted, I would let them know how to measure themselves and tell them their GT and foods. My brother seemed mildly interested but hasn't mentioned it since. My parents both need to lose weight and my dad has RA and high blood pressure so I'd really like to see them make a change (mom's an O, don't know about dad). They're both pretty active--my dad has more hobbies than he knows what to do with--and I'd like for them to be able to be more fully engaged in the things they like to do. It is completely frustrating. But like any bad habit--drinking, smoking, drugs, whatever--people have to find their own motivation or they won't succeed.

You've made your point, "led them to water" as previously mentioned. Now, hard as it may be, you have to let them make the decision to drink and just be super-supportive and informative when they start to show more interest.

I think the thing that's hardest for me is that my loved ones will listen to "educated" strangers who tell them that everyone should eat the same regardless of their health problems, but someone who cares for them and has first-hand experience with, not to mention the glowing testimonials of so many "real-world" followers of, a diet can be dismissed out of hand.

People find it so easy to say, "Well so-and-so can lose weight/stay slim because they have a fast metabolism and I don't." Why don't they ask WHY there's a difference in metabolism and WHY they still believe they should eat the same way regardless and why they don't ask HOW they can use the knowledge of those differences to their advantage?

I think people reach a certain comfort level with their ailment-laden lives, the mass-prescribed way they eat, and it's threatening to them to be asked to make a change. And it's easy to say, "Well, I eat according to the food pyramid and I'm still overweight/sick so it's out of my hands." If they believe in the BTD or GTD, then it means they are fully taking their health in their own hands and the thought of slipping up then is probably overwhelming. I also think some people might not know what to do with themselves if they weren't sick.

Be strong, stick to your convictions but remember, like religion and politics, food can be a highly sensitive topic.


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Be strong, stick to your convictions but remember, like religion and politics, food can be a highly sensitive topic.


You speak the truth! I've found the best way to teach is by example.


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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Wow! I can't believe all the responses, thanks I wish I had time right now to respond to them all, I have read all comments and appreciate it greatly.

I think the best thing I can do is be the best example possible and happily talk about the GTD/BTD but not try and shove it down anyoneís throat. I guess after all you can't really blame people for being sceptical when there are so many bogus diets around.

The idea of inviting family around and cooking dinner is a good one; I think I'll try that. As is not emphasising what you canít eat, but rather what you can on the GTD.

Same as some have mentioned, I find it strange and frustrating when people appear to do nothing to help relieve their aches and pains. Perhaps they tried something and it didnít work, or maybe they just wonít take anything out of the mainstream seriously?

Another thing that annoys me is how things like milk, yogurt, brown bread and cereal are promoted as healthy choices all the time. For some people they are possibly just as bad as smoking! Sadly I think it will be many decades before the one diet fits all food pyramid is replaced by a more personalised approach.

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