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meribelle
Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 1:11am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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From all of my reading I had figured out that if a person had health issues and wanted to loose weight, the GTD was best.  And if a person just had health issues, the BTD was best.  Is this right?  

I am still trying to figure out which is the best diet for hubby with leukemia.  I am doing the gatherer one and am happy on it.  I figure chicken will be one of the main foods that he can or can't have depending on which diet he follows.

He is sick of my figuring it out.  His platelets have dropped again, so keep him in your prayers.  


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 1:28am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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For some health issues BTD is better, for others GTD. Sorry, and sorry for what you are going through.

Both are good. Maybe he should follow the one he likes better, unless someone has a clear indication that one or the other is better.
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meribelle
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You are so kind to send me an answer.  Yes, I do believe that either way is better than no way!!!


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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just once you ve made up your mind, try hard to stay compliant, in that system you chose to follow!


as Dr D says, it s up to each and everyone of us to 'do the work'!


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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Leukemia (and cancers) are due to errors in cell functioning, such as inactivation of tumour suppressor genes, uncontrolled cell division, and faulty cell death regulation.  

Therefore, I believe the Genotype diet is more applicable since its purpose is to correct and regulate the genes and how those genes are expressed.  Cancer is all about genes and epigenetics, so the best choice is the diet that directly addresses that aspect of health.


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I NEED HELP TOO!  I am on blood type B since Friday but am having alot of difficulties with the bread and grain part.  I have been eating WASA crackes made with whole grain wheat.  I think I screwed up because of the whole grain WHEAT!  What EXACT brand and types for bread and crackers?  Any suggestions would be wonderful?  
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Denise

Welcome to the forum.  It helps people help you if you include your blood type shield.  Also where you live because different products can be found or not in different places.

Learn to love rice cakes instead of crackers.  Lundberg is the brand I use.

Try Spelt bread.  For noodles I use the Amish spelt noodles.

Try Essene (manna) or millet also.


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denise,
Welcome!

Click on 'Member Center' at the top of this page, then on 'Avatar Settings' on the left, to select an avatar, to share your blood type with us.

Add information below your avatar setting, in the 'Profile Information' section, typing in the 'Personal Message box': (Rh+/-, secretor status; subtype A1 or A2, MN blood typing information)

Create a Signature that will appear at the bottom of every message you post.

Indicate your gender, age, and location in the 'Personal Information' section.

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=ref
read the threads in the Reference Section.


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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Lola
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here try this for starts
The Blood Type B Individualized Lifestyle.
http://www.4yourtype.com/Typeb_basic.asp
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXPJuoBIMY

also about the wasa.....I believe that has rye, which is not a B type grain.....always read the labels on the products you want to purchase, and make a list to carry with you, of all your ok foods.
which book are you following?

read this, too
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/1.htm


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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meribelle,
if I were in your shoes, and my hub were having the issues, I d apply the cancer book guidelines asap, together with the protocols which are included in the book.....

get a juicer if you don t happen to have one and start juicing all of his super beneficials!
prepare all compliant meals with lots of variety and taste!
use those herbs and spices, advised in the book, load him up on superbennies!


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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meribelle,  I am traveling a similar journey as yourself...my dh has liver cancer.  When his last blood test came back with a very low platelet count the hosp. dietition rang to speak to me about him getting enough protein.  This made me adhere very strictly to the BTD (O secretor) and I'll always leave some extra cooked meat readily available for him to snack on (especially when tiredness hits).

The diet that he prefers and his ability to adhere for me wins out.

My thoughts are with you ... keep your heart up
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Thanks to all of you, and to Shells, I pray your hubby recovers.  I was going by the cancer book of Dr. D as our food 'Bible' until the GTD appeared and I got the impression that it would do better for cancer.  I can tell from your posts that there are still other people who think one or the other way is better.  

We eat good homecooked meals with meat and compliant veggies each night after work.  We don't juice, but we do drink juice from the grocery store.  I have quit cooking chicken due to it being toxic on the GTD for both of us, but we have been eating lots of turkey.  He eats a lot of peanuts that I roast for him because they are a cancer fighting food in Dr. D's cancer book.

I guess like someone said, we just need to make a plan and stick to it.  For sure I don't serve him beef, although it is neutral for me.  

Anyway, he gets more blood work done tomorrow, Thursday, and we shall see how he is.  


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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It seems to me that either the Cancer book guidelines OR his genotype diet would work very well.  For his own peace of mind, why not review the diets with him and see which one he would be the most contented with.  You can't go wrong.  He needs to feel happy and not be stressed about foods.

just my opinion:
I went through breast cancer (pre-GTD) and sometimes it was all I could do just to enjoy food at all.  Keeping it simple for him is a plus.



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Dear Victoria,
Thanks for the encouragement.  Through all of the chemo he has not lost any weight.  I really thought he would, but he has actually gained.  I tell myself that gaining is a good thing in his condition.  


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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Dear Victoria,
Thanks for the encouragement.  Through all of the chemo he has not lost any weight.  I really thought he would, but he has actually gained.  I tell myself that gaining is a good thing in his condition.  


Yes, not losing weight is a great sign.  Losing weight with cancer is a very poor prognostic sign.



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Keep him as stress free as possible!  

Very very important.  Does he practice any stress reduction techniques?

That in addition to diet is crucial.

I lost my 2ns husband to cancer and we were completely following the BTD protocols (there was no GT at the time);

BUT he was under horrid stress the entire time due to many personal issues with his children, ex wife, AND we were buying a new house in the midst of it all.  

I think the stress jump started the tumor again and the 2nd time, it took him out.

I've read SO much about how stress affects cancer.  

There is actually a wellness clinic somewhere (read it recently in People mag, I think), where folks go to learn to meditate and do yoga and reduce their stress.  According to the article it works and big time.
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When I was in treatment, the biggest struggle I had was to exist with the powerful emotions that the entire experience brought up for me:  fear, hopelessness, futility, worry for loved ones, feelings of failure and uselessness, deep sorrow and loss, etc.

These are very personal battles that a cancer patient is facing every waking hour, and even the closest loved ones can only guess at, but not completely share with the patient.

Anything that can make life easier, more simple, peace-promoting, hopeful, happy, etc, is as important as diet, in my opinion.  



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Cancer comes up in nearly every one of my classes and in addition to the many physically supportive and nourishing things one can do to treat and prevent recurrence of cancer, there is a common theme of identity.  

Cancer cells are cells that have lost their differentiation, their identity.  Cancer is at once part of you (made from you) and foreign (the enemy) - where do you end and the cancer begin?  Along these lines, many NDs think that there is a mental/emotional/spiritual predisposition towards cancer in people who are not in touch with their identity.  Some believe that cancer is such a common occurrence in modern times because we have lost connection to who we are and/or we live our lives not being true to our selves.  We sacrifice our identity in order to fit in, avoid pain, buy love, whatever.  

The appearance of cancer is not the first stage in a process, it is the result of many factors over a long period of time.  It is important when treating cancer to not only remove/eliminate the cancerous tissue itself, but to fundamentally change the environment in which the cancer was able to thrive, both physically and spiritually.


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There is actually a wellness clinic somewhere (read it recently in People mag, I think), where folks go to learn to meditate and do yoga and reduce their stress.  According to the article it works and big time.


I think that clinic is in the Seattle area or at least in the Pacific NW. A co-worker of mine considered going there. They have a whole team of people who work with you on nutrition, physical and mental well-being.



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healing thoughts sent to you and your husband.

As others have pointed out the mind/body/spirit connection seems to be always important in any healing. A Doctor in Germany (Dr Hamer) believes all cancers originate in a 'psychic shock' to the system within 3 years of the diagnosis, (he developed testicular cancer after his son was shot dead) and in fact when cancer is diagnosed it is often when the body is starting to heal.http://www.newmedicine.ca/index.php

I have also just been reading about this supplement called Miracle Mineral Supplement which apparently may help with leukeamia

The first thing that the MMS does is destroy anaerobic microorganisms including viruses, bacteria, molds, yeast, and parasites. These are the disease causing organisms. There are many reasons to believe that this is what happens. This generally happens between 4 hours  and 4 weeks, but in less than one week in most cases This includes all forms of infection and other microorganisms. Also blood diseases such as leukemia.from http://www.miraclemineral.org

As for food, as long as he can eat & enjoys what he is eating, I am sure either diet would be of great help.

And if you can stay positive too, I am sure that will help his recovery. I am sure that your love & support will be more important than a few food choices - his body will hopefully steer him to the right foods for him.

And I am glad you are doing well yourself, it's important that you keep healthy too (on all levels).  


8 feb 2008:Weight Loss on GTD so far (without trying): 4 kilos (about 8 lbs - half a stone)
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I am blessed by reading all of your kind words.  I had hoped we would hear a report on his blood work from this morning, but there was no word from the local doctor.  We live 2 hours from Houston where the cancer hospital is.

Anyway, I made a decision today to follow the cancer book.  Now that the decision is made, it seems so simple!!  It is amazing how our minds work, isn't it.  

And you are right that stress plays a part of this disease.  I think he has taken on too much too soon, but getting a person to see things in themselves is not always easy.

I don't even know any of you, but I look forward each night after work coming here to the computer room and seeing what you all have to say.

Well, thanks again.  Until tomorrow.......


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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