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pixiekitten
Monday, February 11, 2008, 5:20pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hello Friends,
There are so many good, positive, supportive conversations going on around here, even one for people who "fall off the wagon" from time to time.  I seem to be beyond that category, tho, because I haven't yet committed to the diet, and I figure there are others lurking in the shadows back there like I am, reading and planning but not quite managing to make it happen.

I discovered the BTD years ago and have followed a form of it for many years, but I never completely committed to that either.  I was happy to incorporate many Beneficial foods into my diet, and to limit myself on the Avoids, but there were some things I just couldn't quit, such as vinegar, cabbage and potatoes.  I tried to eat them infrequently but would allow myself to have them if I really wanted them.  So I feel that I have never fully benefited from the diet.  I know that is my own fault and my own lack of willpower/love of all things FOOD.

I see myself taking on this GTD diet in the same manner.  I like what Dr. D says about your health being more about what you do eat than what you avoid, but I know I must be missing out.  I have health problems of my own and would like to lose a little bit of weight, so I know I should give it a shot.  But I'm having trouble giving some things up.  Wheat and sugar are in everything.  I know how to find things that are compliant, but they aren't always around.  Then there are things I truly love that I can't seem to put down - the coconut milk in curries, basmati rice, feta cheese.  I work in people's homes and they are always feeding me, mostly stuff I shouldn't be eating.  I know I have to grow some willpower.  It said in the book that Fibromyalgia symptoms of achiness are sometimes caused by wheat, and I'd like to try giving it up.  What's stopping me you ask?  I don't know, that's why I'm posting this here.  Guess I need some support, some motivation and to hear some people's success stories.  Please and thank you!
L
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Well, I don't know how you grow willpower because I'm having a REALLY hard time with the chocolate but I think the best thing is to keep focusing on adding superfoods and eliminating/ finding alternatives to toxins. I know a couple people who just decided one day they were going to follow BTD, gave away all their non-compliant food and never looked back. Not me. I didn't make the switch to BTD cold turkey, although somehow giving up most of my remaining cheats was easy when I switched to GTD--I think because the health benefits seem so much greater that I was more excited to embrace it. I think if you find a way to avoid the things that you feel are causing you health problems and see the benefits, you'll decide it's worth the extra effort to avoid those things. I have no problem at all with not eating wheat anymore per BTD and I really don't miss gluten products now either per GTD.

If getting to GTD in stages is what works for you, then this is a case of "it's not the journey, it's the destination". We each have to make positive changes in our lives in our own way. If you aren't comfortable with the change you won't stick with it.

On the plus side, cabbage and spelt are Teacher superfoods and feta and basmati rice are black dots, which means you can have them in moderation once you're in balance. And there are so many superfood and neutral alternatives to sugar. GTD seems to open up people's food options in a lot of ways so you may be surprised at how easy it is to follow.

Good luck!


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Definitely hanging around here will help. I keep the diet fairly well, but notice when I am on here regularly that I do better.
Big secret! Even Dr. D. occasionally 'cheats.' Maybe its only a few times a year, but it does happen!
You are only 25, so you have much time to adjust. It is hard when you work in others' homes. Someday that may change. I found out about the diet at age 50(or right before), got the book the next year, & slowly incorporated things into my diet. I worked at a bread store when I first read ER4YT!!! So, don't get discouraged. Try to avoid the worst items like wheat & dairy for O, red meat & dairy for A, chicken & corn for B & AB.
Read the books for better info, but you get the idea.
This is a very supportive helpful message board/forum. Stay with us. You won't be disappointed!
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I was never able to make changes in my diet until I was forced to by my body.  By this, I mean that I had to reach a point where it became very obvious that a specific food was hurting me before I was really able to take it seriously.

Unfortunately, I had to wait until I developed a serious, life threatening illness before I let go of all my resistance.  I have followed Dr D's directions for 9 years now, and it is so easy.  He has guided me back to health and given me another chance at life.

I would hope that no one ever has to take that route.  You are very young, and have not experienced the years of health deterioration that come with mid-life, so it is understandable.



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Maybe it has nothing to do with will power.  For me is the results I get from following the BTD and now the GTD.

Just remembering the time when I was drowsy, had muscle ache, and had brain fog among other things, is my motivation.

If you go slowly, it will not be as overwhelming.

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wheat really is a difficult one, but you can do it! I really don't eat it. (ok, maybe at a party but very rarely)
I have used ryvita rye crackers, or rice crackers to get by...or various breads that are available here....maybe a 100% rye would work for you , don;t know if you can have rye, but keep trying!
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wheat really is a difficult one, but you can do it! I really don't eat it. (ok, maybe at a party but very rarely)
I have used ryvita rye crackers, or rice crackers to get by...or various breads that are available here....maybe a 100% rye would work for you , don;t know if you can have rye, but keep trying!


Rye is an Avoid for Teacher, as is white rice products for the first 3-6 months.  I live in Germany where the Rye bread is delicious, so I think it would be easier if I could have Rye.  Luckily spelt is also available here.  I will go at it slowly.  

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Maybe it has nothing to do with will power.  For me is the results I get from following the BTD and now the GTD.

Just remembering the time when I was drowsy, had muscle ache, and had brain fog among other things, is my motivation.



I too am tired all the time, have muscle aches and forget things.  Maybe this is just the ticket!

Thank you all for sharing your kind words and motivation.
Much love,
L

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hi Pixiekitten,
I feel much like you, I first tried the BTD about 6 or 7 years ago when a friend recommended it to me. I never got into it 100% because shortly after getting the book I started seeing a Naturopath who had a very individualised (more indvidualised than BTD) approach to diet. He had 19 (I think) different diets and he would recommend whichever one was best for the patients current situation (which would change as health improved), all worked out from a very extensive list of questions (probably not at all unlike SWAMI, but without the genetics approach). Out of interest I cross referenced the foods he recommended I eat or avoid and most of them coincided with the type A diet, so I guess in a way I was actually following the blood type diet with a few tweaks. I felt great when I followed these recommendations but for reasons I can't fathom, I never seem to stick to the diet 100%. I guess because it requires a more than normal effort to find and cook the foods. But I know the effort is worthwhile so why don't I just do it!? I find it easy to avoid wheat so long as I don't have to eat out.

I love spelt bread and bake my own, there is a dinklebrot (spelt) breadmix in Australia, so it takes me all of 2 minutes to prepare the loaf, and another couple of minutes to slice it up once it's cooked. I notice a big different when not eating wheat, no more bloated stomach or heavy feeling. I also feel a lot better if I avoid dairy and sugar. Teachers get a few cheeses back but I still think I have a personal issue with not being able to digest it well so I try to avoid as much as possible but it is very hard as I really love cheese.

I've been eating like a mainstream person for the last couple of years due to many stresses in my life, I put myself last and I am now suffering for it. I am gradually getting back onto the diet and enjoying some new diamond foods and hoping that this time I will get up to at least 80% for long enough that I won't turn back.

Something that my previous ND said to me (that I am still trying to sort out for myself) is it's not about will power it is about being organised and planning for slip ups. I just need to work out what I can cook with all the A beneficials (and neutrals) and stock my cupboards and fridge with goodies so I don't end up eating avoids because there is nothing else to eat.

I wish you the best of luck with your journey to very wellness.


"a wise person makes their own decisions, an ignorant person follows the public opinion"(Chinese Proverb)
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Something that my previous ND said to me (that I am still trying to sort out for myself) is it's not about will power it is about being organised and planning for slip ups.


Very good point! In my opinion, this is the most important thing we can do for ourselves if we want to stick to a diet. However, some of us at this point are not sure exactly what food(s) is\are apt to fire up symptoms that can be extremely uncomfortable. It gets a little scary to try to eat sometimes. All these beans for Warriors are driving me nuts, but I must have protein and lots of it. I didn't have any of the critters yesterday and I am doing much better today. So maybe that will prove to be my answer - just leave off beans for a while and eat more fish.

Of course, this problem I'm having doesn't have anything to do with the diet, but apparently has plenty to do with my digestive system. After a few more weeks, I believe that some of this will work itself out. I certainly hope so because I would like to have the beans at least once in a while.
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Big secret! Even Dr. D. occasionally 'cheats.' Maybe its only a few times a year, but it does happen!


I prefer to consider this 'temporary intervals of low adherence.'


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Oh, that's a good phrase, Dr. D. Have to remember that one the next time I end up eating a slice of pizza and my housemate K razzes me about it. "No, I am not cheating! It's just a temporary interval of low adherence!" (Usually I just say it's temporary insanity! )

Pixiekitten, why not set a goal to be 25% compliant for a month? Add some beneficials or superfoods to your diet and enjoy them for a whole month. Then set another goal to be 50% compliant for a month, or whatever number/length of time feels right to you, and so on until you get to the compliancy rate that works for you. It doesn't have to be 100%. In fact some people have said that 75-80% works best for them because they are less sensitive to avoids and more able to eat out or enjoy family dinners without feeling like they have to bring a separate meal for themselves. That might be a good number for you to try for.

It takes time and patience and a willingness to experiment to find the compliancy level that works best for you, but it can be done.

Ten years ago, if you had told me I would no longer bake with any wheat flour or eat wheat products, that I would happily eat collards, kale and lamb, I would have said you were completely crazy. But people can change, if they choose to. And they can do it one step at a time.


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.......that I would happily eat collards, kale and lamb, I would have said you were completely crazy. But people can change, if they choose to.


I smile every time I see a post about people in other parts of the country/world talking about eating collards and other greens and enjoying them! It is an acquired taste for many people. My son watched the rest of us enjoy them for a long time until finally he decided that there must be more to these "business-end-of-a-mop" dishes than what met the eye. Anyway, he ate a serving with plenty of skepticism one evening. A few days later he came home from the lake and said that while he was out there he suddenly wanted some more collards. He has eaten them and other greens with gusto ever since.   There must be something additive about these things! Why else would we get such a liking for something that looks and smells so awful?!
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I too think that being prepared makes sticking to the diet better.  Check out the Teacher 'cookbook' in the GTD thread.  I have an oat and honey bar in there (sort of like a chewy granola bar) that has really curbed my cravings - even for chocolate.

I started eating brown rice exclusively about 6 months ago because I felt better on that than white rice and at that time I limited wheat/bread and sugar and I found that my body responded.

Now that I have the GTD and CHEESE (glorious cheese) like gouda and cheddar it's really helped with cravings.  I realize that I need to make sure I'm eating enough fat or my cravings go wild.  For me, the GTD is about FREEDOM from the guilt of giving my body what it wants.

I think that if you were to stick to 100% compliance for two weeks, you'd notice a huge difference.  If not, then you can be a bit more lax and see if you notice a difference then.


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Big secret! Even Dr. D. occasionally 'cheats.'


gossip has so many ways of spreading!!!
glad you threw the 'occasionally' in there!


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gossip has so many ways of spreading!!!
glad you threw the 'occasionally' in there!


Well, he's human and doesn't mind others knowing it - after all, he started the admission himself about grazing a little in his wife's "garden!"
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Well I've taken your advice and decided to just go compliant one or two things at a time.  Right away I was able to give up corn and chicken.  Now I am working on wheat and white rice, and next will do away with sugar.  Happily there are so many wonderful products made with Spelt.  The last time I went off wheat was 10 years ago and the only Spelt bread I could get was very thick and dense.  Delicious for toast but not what I wanted for a sandwich.  I have been baking my own Spelt bread with honey the past two weeks with white spelt flour.  Even my husband loves it.  It's funny because since I have been avoiding wheat and white rice, I haven't craved it nearly as much as I did when I was eating it all day every day.  And, I find it's not as yummy as I think it is, either.  On Sunday I went out with some friends for coffee and ordered a glass of hot water with honey and half a lemon.  I was feeling pretty proud of myself, and then sitting there next to the pastry cart for two hours did me in, and I finally caved and got a berry strudel thing.  It wasn't even very good.  Definitely not worthy of all the agonizing in my mind about whether to have it!

I think you're right, planning does help.  Last night I went out to a place with a great bakery, and took some carob-almond cookies with me so I wouldn't be tempted.  I ended up having something there that wasn't totally compliant (whipped cream, meringue and raspberries) but at least there was no wheat!  One step at a time...
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Hello Friends,
There are so many good, positive, supportive conversations going on around here, even one for people who "fall off the wagon" from time to time.  I seem to be beyond that category, tho, because I haven't yet committed to the diet, and I figure there are others lurking in the shadows back there like I am, reading and planning but not quite managing to make it happen.

I discovered the BTD years ago and have followed a form of it for many years, but I never completely committed to that either.  I was happy to incorporate many Beneficial foods into my diet, and to limit myself on the Avoids, but there were some things I just couldn't quit, such as vinegar, cabbage and potatoes.  I tried to eat them infrequently but would allow myself to have them if I really wanted them.  So I feel that I have never fully benefited from the diet.  I know that is my own fault and my own lack of willpower/love of all things FOOD.

I see myself taking on this GTD diet in the same manner.  I like what Dr. D says about your health being more about what you do eat than what you avoid, but I know I must be missing out.  I have health problems of my own and would like to lose a little bit of weight, so I know I should give it a shot.  But I'm having trouble giving some things up.  Wheat and sugar are in everything.  I know how to find things that are compliant, but they aren't always around.  Then there are things I truly love that I can't seem to put down - the coconut milk in curries, basmati rice, feta cheese.  I work in people's homes and they are always feeding me, mostly stuff I shouldn't be eating.  I know I have to grow some willpower.  It said in the book that Fibromyalgia symptoms of achiness are sometimes caused by wheat, and I'd like to try giving it up.  What's stopping me you ask?  I don't know, that's why I'm posting this here.  Guess I need some support, some motivation and to hear some people's success stories.  Please and thank you!
L

Sweetie, there are very few people who are 100% compliant with all foods, all the time.  I think many of us have certain avoid foods that we choose not to totally give up, things that make our diets as a whole a little more sustainable over the long haul.  Like, for example, for me, it's mayonnaise.  This is an avoid, yet it makes life SO much easier that I do choose to eat it, even though it is an avoid.  Mind you, if I were to make my own, it would jump from avoid to superfood, as eggs, lemon juice, olive oil and sea salt are ALL Gatherer superfoods.  So it is something in most commercial mayos that renders them avoids.  I buy Spectrum Organic mayo, which does contain a few avoids, but like I say, mayo is one of those things that makes life worth living for me, so I choose to eat it.  Not too often, as I only use it in sandwiches, so it is probably just a few times per week, at most.  On the other hand, there are avoids that I scrupulously try to avoid, ideally 100% of the time, such as and especially--no surprise, no drum roll needed--wheat.

I think virtually everyone who sustains any diet over the long run modifies it a tad for their own individual self.  We do have a few intrepid and admirable souls among us who are apparently 100% compliant in every way, all the time, such as our admirable Lola and MoDon, to name but two.  My hat is off to them, big time.  As for me, I am highly compliant on some things, and very compliant overall, yet at the same time, there are some things I don't worry about ingesting occasionally and/or in small amounts, if they make my diet so much lovelier and/or more convenient and/or sustainable over the long haul...and/or if I know they are just no big prob for me.

Take cinnamon.  It was an avoid for me all the years I was BTDing.  So, I never bought it, but at the same time, if it was in something that someone else made and I wanted to eat it, I just never worried about cinnamon, for some reason.  Well, now it turns out that, on the GTD, it is a diamond superfood--weeee!

So you have to ideally do a combination of following the diet you choose to follow, yet also listening to your intuition and your own experiences with certain foods, and striking a balance that works for YOU.  Everyone is different in so many ways!  Not just all the things that make us different as individuals, but some of us are healthy, some of us are health-challenged in some way(s), some are at a good weight, some aren't, etc.  We have to weigh all of the factors in our lives which, just to complicate things further, are constantly CHANGING with every situation we find ourselves in.  Sometimes, we are in a social situation in which we may choose to indulge in something we usually wouldn't, sometimes in that same social situation, we might choose instead to hold firm to our diet due to a health situation or a weight situation or WHATEVER.

The BTD never let me down with weight loss, I let myself down by not complying with what it told me to do for that consistently enough and in enough ways to keep the weight off.  But my compliance level was enough to provide glowing health in every other way.  Now, with the GTD, I hope that even with my imperfect compliance I'll be able to lose weight, but if not, I'll have to re-calibrate my choices and try even harder.

What I'm saying is, don't beat yourself up for not following the diet exactly to the letter all the time and in every way.  Some folks do that and they are awesome role models.  But I suspect that many folks are like you and I and just do the best we can, sometimes falling shorter than we should, but getting up the next day or the very next meal and doing better.

We can't be perfect all the time or in every way.  At least, I can't.  I don't even try for perfection anymore, I leave that to God, whom I suspect is the only one who can do it, who can be it.  For us mere mortals, having a jar of mayo (organic!) in the fridge like I do, or a spot of vinegar like you do, is par for the course.  I hereby pronounce you:  doing better with diet than you think you are!  Take heart!

edited to add:  P.S.  I so agree with you about liking Dr. D.'s emphasis on focusing on getting the superfoods in, versus keeping every single TTA (toxin to avoid) out.  You gotta AC-centuate the positive!



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Peppermint Twist,
Wow, thanks for your kind words.  I am doing better and better day by day.  Today we had spelt crepes for breakfast - yummy!!!  (I am going to post my recipe in the Teachers Cookbook thread if anyone is interested.)  This is easier than I thought it would be.  I like trying to make meals completely of Superfoods.  And I think I'll have some organic mayo on hand too, if I feel the need for a tuna grilled cheese sandwich with avocado...  mmm I feel lunch coming on soon.

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I prefer to consider this 'temporary intervals of low adherence.'


HAAAAA!!!!! Wow.. what a comeback!!! HAAA!!!

Love it, love it, LOVE IT!! ha...

You must be one heck of a speaker.  Maybe someday I'll have the pleasure of seeing you lecture.

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I love mayo, too, & go in spurts with it. There is an olive oil mayo at WF, but it has soy oil in it also. The small jar is about $5(I think it's a pint.). At least the ingredients are more wholesome. I also use clear vinegar in salads with my olive oil, but wait! it's now OK for gatherers!!
I still have some hunter foods around, & dedided to try to eat gatherer-like most days. But when I am at work & need something concentrated & satisfying, I still have some Lara Bars (dates as the sweetener) to eat with unsweetened chocolate. I only like 3 of the flavors they have & have settled on the one w/ almonds, pecans, & dates(the only ingrdients) for my 'fix.' It tastes great & curbs the appetite.
As a veggie lover, I am eating fewer veggies as broccoli & avocado(& others)are not to be gathered! But I hope to get things straight.
Cheers!
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There is an olive oil mayo at WF, but it has soy oil in it also.

I know, WHY do they put soy oil in a product labeled "Olive Oil Mayonnaise"?  That is one of my specific pet peeves (as is French Meadows "Rice Bread" that contains whole wheat as, like, the second ingredient).  WHY?!!!!!!!!!  I just buy their (Spectrum's) organic mayo, as it is CHEAPER than the olive oil mayo and the olive oil mayo is NOT olive oil mayo, because it has the soy in it--what?!  I mean, yeah, it has olive oil in there, but the soy oil ruins it!  Oh, the humanity!

We really should be making our own, diamond superfood, homemade mayo out of eggs, olive oil, lemon, sea salt, ALL superfoods.  I just do worry a little about Salmonella, although I watched my absolute fave TV chef, Jacques Pepin, the other night, make homemade mayo and he basically downplayed the worry of getting salmonella from homemade mayo.  You can "coddle" the eggs a little first if you are worried about salmonella, i.e., cook them just a little before putting them in the mayo.

I don't know WHY there isn't a single brand of mayo in the HFS that doesn't contain soy oil or something else I don't want in there.  But that Spectrum Olive Oil mayo is the one that really gets me.  If you are going to specifically market something as olive oil mayo, why in the bloody heck would you stick soy or any other kind of additional oil in there?

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Take cinnamon.  It was an avoid for me all the years I was BTDing.  So, I never bought it, but at the same time, if it was in something that someone else made and I wanted to eat it, I just never worried about cinnamon, for some reason.  Well, now it turns out that, on the GTD, it is a diamond superfood--weeee!


For me this was Avocado on the BTD.  It said Avoid but there was just no way I was ever going to give up that creamy spring green goodness!  So I ate them anyways and now they are a Teacher Superfood!  Wahoo!  Can't wait for them to be in season so I can eat them every single day.  Yum!
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Now many of the foods I was eating as an O-nonnie are dots & neutrals!!!!
I did go to Whole Foods yesterday & bought an ostrich filet (6oz.) for 7.99! & 2 patties(8oz.) for 4.99. It was frozen & the meat is very dark. I was looking for something light among all the frozen poultry in that section.
So soon, I'll give it a try!!
I looked at the olive oil mayo label & was disappointed to see soy oil listed first!! Whattarip!!! I've never made homemade mayo & raw egg kind of grosses me out, but if someone could make it, that would be awesome! Maybe if I owned a Vita-Mix, it would be easy!!!!!!!!

Another Q: I know that if we stay away from all dots for 3-6 months, our genes are supposed to 'reprogram.' But what about pollution in the air. Also, I take various supplements & they have traces of starch or whatever(I've started rinsing some of them.). How harmful is that? How much does that affect the genes?
I am getting over the 'munchies' the last few days. Maybe this is working out, or is it the stresses about my aunt, the bitter cold weather, or Sears not fixing our heating(not showing up & not notifying us a few times - today I'm sure they are coming.) I've spent a lot of time at the computer this week. It has been fun & I'm glad the GTD book came out in the winter so we could have this time at the keyboard to learn & help.
I guess the ruminations are over for now! I ruminate because I ate too much beef! Moooooo!
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I know that if we stay away from all dots for 3-6 months, our genes are supposed to 'reprogram.'


I was wondering about this myself.  Does this mean we are to completely avoid, as in not have one single bite of any of these things, for 3-6 months in order to get results? I just don't think I'm going to be able to do that right now. I kinda figured "avoid" meant "avoid" but not "avoid like the plague."  I'm asking tho, because when I had blood allergy testing done, my doctor said to not eat a single bite of any of the foods I tested positive for, for 6 months, and then I could get re-tested.  I never did do that...
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I was wondering about this myself.  Does this mean we are to completely avoid, as in not have one single bite of any of these things, for 3-6 months in order to get results? I just don't think I'm going to be able to do that right now. I kinda figured "avoid" meant "avoid" but not "avoid like the plague."  I'm asking tho, because when I had blood allergy testing done, my doctor said to not eat a single bite of any of the foods I tested positive for, for 6 months, and then I could get re-tested.  I never did do that...


I know this is going to be a question without an answer, but if we never knew the specific condition of our genes before we began the GTD, how would we ever know the condition of our genes afterwards? I'm curious if there has ever been a study where a person followed the genotype diet (with prior gene testing) and compared it with results after 6 months? Would
there be visible changes evident?  Or are there no tests that would ever show damaged
genes?  I know there won't be an answer. I just can't help but be curious as I follow this
diet and wait for results.  I am wondering how a "before" and "after" genetic profile feels and looks if I were a lab rat.



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I know this is going to be a question without an answer, but if we never knew the specific condition of our genes before we began the GTD, how would we ever know the condition of our genes afterwards? I'm curious if there has ever been a study where a person followed the genotype diet (with prior gene testing) and compared it with results after 6 months? Would
there be visible changes evident?  Or are there no tests that would ever show damaged
genes?  I know there won't be an answer. I just can't help but be curious as I follow this
diet and wait for results.  I am wondering how a "before" and "after" genetic profile feels and looks if I were a lab rat.


these matters are so variable that I doubt that lab tests on befores and afters will be able to be considered as scientific control tests.
It has occurred to me that to a large extent many of us will have been following our Genotype diets for as long as we have been on BTD as there is a major crossover of course.
In my case, changing from BTD to GTD has only meant eliminating chicken, white bread, and a number of black dots all over the shop, so I will hazard a guess that the Genotype benefits have been occuring to some extent for more than 6 years. When the black dots are returned to neutral status my diet will be luxuriant.
For instance, I was very overweight then due to hypothyroid decay, and had to start thyroid supplementation. From that point on, with the advent of BTD,, my appearance, which was definitely aging, has improved greatly and I am often now mistaken for a younger age group.My thyroid has not recovered so supplementation will be life long. Does anyone else feel the same about their BTD history being quite true to what turned out to be their GTD?  




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I personally think the Genotype diet is more strict than the Blood type diet.  I've lost all my poultry, except turkey and I HATE fish. I can eat cottage cheese now. wow. I think warriors got gipped more than any other genotype, and I'm not excited, because I already had to give up gluten, I'm intolerant to rice and pretty much most grains. According to Enterolab, I have an intolerance to dairy, eggs & soy. So what does one (me) eat then?... BTW, with all this fish Warriors can eat, what about the mercury?

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I personally think the Genotype diet is more strict than the Blood type diet.  I've lost all my poultry, except turkey and I HATE fish. I can eat cottage cheese now. wow. I think warriors got gipped more than any other genotype, and I'm not excited, because I already had to give up gluten, I'm intolerant to rice and pretty much most grains. According to Enterolab, I have an intolerance to dairy, eggs & soy. So what does one (me) eat then?... BTW, with all this fish Warriors can eat, what about the mercury?

Is there a chance that your food intolerances will reduce as your genes are repaired on the Warrior diet? Are you losing weight? Is this something you actually want to do? Your situation is very difficult and I do hope that you find a way around it.The mercury is indeed a serious issue, especially at the bottom of the food chain, so I am guessing that little fish are the way to go. I love being able to have anchovy now, and find the strong flavour really attracts me. But I am guessing that you don't feel this way? Keep talking. Answers may arise.




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I sincerely pity anyone on the Warrior diet who doesn't like fish. I am not worrying about the mercury in the fish that I eat. Here is a link for determining the mercury impact according to your body weight and how many ounces per week you eat of different kinds of fish and seafood.  Some are pretty benign, as you can see. There are other sites about this too.
http://www.gotmercury.org/

For some reason I can't seem to like rice anymore. I used to LOVE it. The beans are getting much more tolerable, and I can even get excited about how good I feel after eating them. I hardly ever get really weak anymore from low blood sugar even when I get really hungry (which doesn't happen very often). Only a very small dessert completely satisfies me, and I have been shocked at how much less protein my body is needing now. I am getting tons of work done, even things that usually cause reactions of one kind or another. I am losing weight so I'm happy about that! Best of all my stomach doesn't hurt day and night the way it did before!!!
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I personally think the Genotype diet is more strict than the Blood type diet.  I've lost all my poultry, except turkey and I HATE fish. I can eat cottage cheese now. wow. I think warriors got gipped more than any other genotype, and I'm not excited...

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I sincerely pity anyone on the Warrior diet who doesn't like fish.

You guys, don't forget about all your non-meat Warrior protein choices that are superfoods for you, though, such as eggs (which are, imho, the best buy in the grocery store, as they are affordable yet provide extremely high quality protein...they are very versatile, too), peanut butter, almond butter, cottage cheese, tofu, walnuts, lentils, navy beans, etc.  I'm not trying to minimize that it is a tough break to have no red meat superfoods and no poultry superfoods (as an O nonnie Gatherer, the very idea is horrifying to me, so I do empathize!), but I'm just pointing out that you do have a wide variety of superfood protein choices to use in place of those things.  And many of those choices are very versatile and affordable, which is worth pointing out in this time of grocery prices skyrocketing exponentially by the day.


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I think I'm getting a little bored on the Warrior diet and often don't feel like eating more fish.
Some fish I can't even find in stores locally so I keep eating the same varieties, over and over again and mostly salmon. .I sometimes  have trouble making myself eat beans because that's
one food category I don't like very much.  Peas and split peas, yes, but aduki beans, YUCK!
They have no taste and without the luxury of melting mozzarella cheese on top of them, (the
one cheese I seem to tolerate), I'm at a loss what to do with them.   I made a bean puree with
the white beans, which was a good substitute for hummus, but that's not very exciting anymore. I often throw things in a pot and just make soup, but without chicken stock or
the use of tomatoes, the flavor isn't always rich enough.

Salads are what I love and summer foods are what I prefer to eat and I'd rather graze all day
than sit down to a big cooked meal.  All these cooked beans and grains and vegetables aren't particularly appealing to me at the moment.  Nearly two months of this diet and I think I liked
the type A diet better.  BUT, I'm sticking this out for at least 3 months.

I'm not sure if it's a commitment problem or a getting into a rut using the same foods over
and over again. I always tell myself I can eat whatever foods I want and follow any sensible
diet with less restrictions than this one, but somehow I believe that the concept of the Genotype Diet is revolutionary and I want to experience its benefits.

Maybe it's the lack of creativity in the kitchen that I'm dealing with.  My gluten grain cookbooks are now obsolete as well as recipes that use dairy and eggs. I wish I could afford to hire a COOK....someone who knows how to take these Warrior foods and make them spectacularly appealing to me.




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wish I could send you some of my enthusiasm, over my GT food choices in a parcel!

you sure you double checked your gT stat?
right measurements and all?


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If you get tempted to eat avoids, check out what neutrals are available. I know its tough if you don't like fish....
Some on here & my A-Teacher friend say when you eat the diamonds, you feel better & get to like them.
Maybe you will find some new food to like. I know it's tough.
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You guys, don't forget about all your non-meat Warrior protein choices that are superfoods for you, though, such as eggs (which are, imho, the best buy in the grocery store, as they are affordable yet provide extremely high quality protein...they are very versatile, too), peanut butter, almond butter, cottage cheese, tofu, walnuts, lentils, navy beans, etc.  I'm not trying to minimize that it is a tough break


Never fear, PT, we have made lists and more lists and poured over all these lists endlessly trying to make sense out of the almost senseless at times, so we pretty well have the picture of what we are up against. It is hard to explain how a body feels that has been fed meats, poultry and fish for a lifetime when it is denied it. Most days I do absolutely great, but there are times when I'm screaming inside for a different protein than what I'm getting - and this is after I've exhausted every other source. (Not all in one day, of course.) I don't have these spade teeth for nothing! There is a strong possibility that a large part of it is psychological, but it certainly feels physical and comes on without the least thought about wanting something not on my diet.

As for the dairy, I am doing about all I can handle of that with the yogurt I'm eating. Hopefully, this will improve with time, but I'm not betting on it. This problem with anything to do with a cow except cultured yogurt is very prevalent in my family - even with taking lactase.

I simply cannot have half my diet from soy products. I cannot. I have soy milk (without carrageenan in it - price: $3.59 a QUART) twice a day and my protein drink has a lot in it. I do have a soymilk maker, but you have to have very good, fresh beans for it to be palatable. I may start ordering them, but, as I've said before there is too much going on right now to get all these ends together. I spent the entire morning trying to clean off my desk - this was AFTER paying bills last night because everything was so backed up.

I'm pretty tough when it comes to a diet I believe in, but when you're walking around with weakness that other proteins used to fix, it is hard to ignore.  If I eat very many beans at once, my heart pounds from all the carbs. For some reason at times I do not tolerate carbs very well.

We're only allowed up to 7 eggs per week. That is 42 grams of protein. I am used to eating at least 50 grams of protein in one day.  I've been thinking about getting some turkey which I really like and having that when I hit the wall, but I did so want to stick with as many diamonds as I could for three months. (I just had an egg and a LOT of broccoflower and for some reason my face is very flushed, actually throbbing along with it as if I'm reacting to it. I haven't had the flushing and throbbing for some time now. Weird.)

I love fish but the mercury in a lot of that on our list is rather daunting. I had three ounces of grouper yesterday and the mercury was unreal. That much fish stays with me about an hour and I'm needing something else. (I bought this grouper before I knew how much mercury it had in it.)

I don't know how under the sun men work on some of the jobs they do and eat this way. Undoubtedly, their bodies can handle all these carbs better than I can. Hopefully, I will adjust to it, but it is rather scary when your heart pounds that way.

In spite of all this, there are many pluses, one of them being that my stomach isn't hurting and I'm losing weight!!! The litmus test, though, is going to be when I go to have my cholesterol checked again.
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I often throw things in a pot and just make soup, but without chicken stock or the use of tomatoes, the flavor isn't always rich enough.

Maybe it's the lack of creativity in the kitchen that I'm dealing with.  My gluten grain cookbooks are now obsolete as well as recipes that use dairy and eggs. I wish I could afford to hire a COOK....someone who knows how to take these Warrior foods and make them spectacularly appealing to me.


Chloe, have you ever tried Bok Choy in your soup? That always seemed to give my soup a little something in place of tomatoes. I finally learned how to make soup without potatoes and tomatoes, but making it without corn or squash, too, is going to be challenge.
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wish I could send you some of my enthusiasm, over my GT food choices in a parcel!


Most of the time I have plenty of enthusiasm, but when I hit one of these "carb attacks" all I want is a piece of meat! I do hope I am better by morning....
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make soup, but without chicken stock or the use of tomatoes, the flavor isn't always rich enough.

nut butter or beans in the form of hummus blended in soup make it nice and creamy!


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I often throw things in a pot and just make soup, but without chicken stock or
the use of tomatoes, the flavor isn't always rich enough.


How do you feel about miso soup?  Miso is a Warrior Superfood that makes a nice thick soup base that's salty and flavorful.  Throw in some cubed Tofu, maitake mushrooms, leeks, scallions and sea vegetables.  All Superfoods and you have an amazingly delicious and medicinal meal.

Looking at the Warrior list of Superfoods, another soup base could be Pumpkin puree.  You could stir in some caramelized onions (SF) and pesto.  I know Basil isn't a SF but it's a neutral and has such a wonderful flavor.

As for proteins, I know they aren't Superfoods but Turkey, Emu and Ostrich are all delicious and great sources of protein.

Is there a "Master cookbook for Warriors" thread on here?  Maybe we should start one.  I know I use the Teacher one a lot, both looking for recipes and thinking up creative meals to add.  Every time I make something yummy, I post it on the thread.  I already have some ideas for Warriors so maybe I'll make one if there isn't one already.
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PT...It is hard to explain how a body feels that has been fed meats, poultry and fish for a lifetime when it is denied it.

Well, you are certainly not denied fish, girl!  So, between the fish, the eggs, and the abundant choices in non-meat carbs, you should be in business, protein-wise.  I DO understand--I KNOW, actually--"how a body feels that has been fed meats, poultry and fish for a lifetime when it is denied it."  I am an O nonnie Gatherer who lived through the DECADES of being brainwashed into thinking that all red meat was bad, all fat was bad, eating meat period was bad, grains should be the foundation of one's "pyramid" and eaten ELEVEN TIMES PER DAY, etc.  It was horrible for me.  Not to sound callous, but if you guys think it is hard as A secretors, you should try it as an O non:     .  So I would never be dismissive over anyone's cries for protein.  However, that said, on your Warrior diet, it seems to me that there is plenty of protein for you A Warrior types who really ARE the type that can't take a lot of red meat or fat and really DO do well on complex carbs, etc.  I know mercury is a very real concern, but if you stick to the smaller fish and if you throw some eggs in there, and round it out with beans and nuts, etc., don't you find you can get plenty of protein, AND have all the benefits you described, like your tum issues resolving?

If your health challenges are resolving, yet you feel you want more protein, do go for the fish and eggs, there are low-mercury fishies in your SF list, so eat up and enjoy!

Finally, what hasn't been mentioned is that nutritional yeast is a SF for you guys.  This stuff is LOADED with protein, B12, and a whole host of other things that can give you what you miss from red meat.

With a little tweaking, you could quell the protein beast and still be superfooding along in your Warrior diet, enjoying the health benefits!



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Thanks Lola and pixiekitten...Those were great suggestions for soup ingredients.  I do use
miso a lot but it's not supposed to be cooked in with the soup, just added at the end.  Something
about denaturing the cultured benefits of the soy paste if it reaches a boiling point.

We don't have a Warrior recipe thread.   It would certainly be helpful to have new recipes. How could we get this going?


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We don't have a Warrior recipe thread.   It would certainly be helpful to have new recipes. How could we get this going?


Try this thread: Warriors Master Cookbook


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I was doing very well on the BTD but when we changed over I floundered and then just stopped. I feel like I am drowning in fluids! I believe that for now I will go back to BTD since we got along a lot better doing that.

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Well, you are certainly not denied fish, girl!  So, between the fish, the eggs, and the abundant choices in non-meat carbs, you should be in business, protein-wise.  I DO understand--I KNOW, actually--"how a body feels that has been fed meats, poultry and fish for a lifetime when it is denied it."  I am an O nonnie Gatherer who lived through the DECADES of being brainwashed into thinking that all red meat was bad, all fat was bad, eating meat period was bad, grains should be the foundation of one's "pyramid" and eaten ELEVEN TIMES PER DAY, etc.  It was horrible for me.  Not to sound callous, but if you guys think it is hard as A secretors, you should try it as an O non:     .  So I would never be dismissive over anyone's cries for protein.  However, that said, on your Warrior diet, it seems to me that there is plenty of protein for you A Warrior types who really ARE the type that can't take a lot of red meat or fat and really DO do well on complex carbs, etc.  I know mercury is a very real concern, but if you stick to the smaller fish and if you throw some eggs in there, and round it out with beans and nuts, etc., don't you find you can get plenty of protein, AND have all the benefits you described, like your tum issues resolving?

If your health challenges are resolving, yet you feel you want more protein, do go for the fish and eggs, there are low-mercury fishies in your SF list, so eat up and enjoy!

Finally, what hasn't been mentioned is that nutritional yeast is a SF for you guys.  This stuff is LOADED with protein, B12, and a whole host of other things that can give you what you miss from red meat.

With a little tweaking, you could quell the protein beast and still be superfooding along in your Warrior diet, enjoying the health benefits!



PT, I am well aware of the fish deal. AND as some of us have already said, fish only lasts about 1-2 hours and we're hungry again. BESIDES the servings are THREE to FOUR times WEEKLY! AND some of us don't do well eating two different kinds of protein at a meal - for the present anyway.

The last I saw in the book, you have a splendid array of meats you can eat PLUS fish AND you can have some easily obtained, cheap, fresh water fish that we can only dream about. AND whatever anyone else thinks about the subject, I DO have a problem with tons of carbs in a day. I get very jittery and my heart beats faster than is comfortable. I have to be very careful about eggs - we are allowed from 5 to 7 per week - because I have very high cholesterol in spite of the BTD for the last nine years or so.

I have been tweaking this diet for seven weeks. I have been very health conscious for the last fifty years so I am no newby to trying to eat right. When my peers were eating junk for lunch at school, you would likely find me eating liver and veggies in the lunch room instead, or some other nuitritions meal - we had great cooks who cooked "from scratch" every day! I LOVED liver and it loved me until I was around fifty years old.

I knew before I was fourteen years old that I needed protein for breakfast every morning. I NEVER in my teenage years ate cereal for breakfast unless it was hot along with an egg. I only started having cold cereal with soy milk for breakfast when I started on the BTD, and I bought the best organic I could find in the health food section at the grocery.

There have been a few times when I was in town that I thought I was going to fall I would be so weak from lack of protein - this was after having a very nice meal of beans, veggies and fruit. I keep walnuts with me all the time.

There have also been several times when I have thought to myself, "Dr. D., you can forget about fish 3 or 4 times a week - I'M having it whenever I want it - night or day!!!" ESPECILLY, salmon! It will bring me out of a slump in fifteen minutes - every time! It is by far the best fish out
there to stave off hunger for me. Nothing else can come close. Now, if I could eat around 8 ounces of cod, which I won't, that would satisfy me until the next meal.

Another thing, the detox enters the picture, as you have very graphically described a few times. I have a lot of weakness with that, and I have more trouble with the lack of protein during those times. Besides all this, as I have mentioned before, I have been doing a lot of manual work since January 1. When I finish this post, I will go and finish attaching the trim to the cabinets in the laundry and hang the doors. No small feat for a sixty five year old woman with back problems...... I won't go into all the other stuff I've already done today.
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As I read the last several entries, I'll add my 3 cents worth.
Don't get hung up on portions!! If you want more eggs or egg whites a week, go ahead. If you don't want as much as recommended, don't have it (maybe except for veggies).
As a reluctant gatherer (and as an O BTDer), I eat tons of olive oil, more meat than recommended(I can knock off a pound of hamburger in one day or sitting[sometimes standing!]), more fruits & veggies, sometimes more carbs(but hard to do without regular brown rice & rice flour),sometimes no carbs as I can't find any, no dairy(even tho a little is allowed)irregular fish consumption due to availability(none a week to 2# in a day or 2),no eggs because I forget to eat them & we were forced to have them so much when I was a kid & I rarely crave them----you get the drift. Just try to enjoy the beneficials & go from there. Since you crave protein, go ahead & get a turkey. Neutrals are OK & better than succumbing to an avoid!!
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I would get my whole serotyping panel done asap!
and follow one of the health series books which best suits my individuality!
that s my suggestion to you......

if you are not thriving with your GT diet it means you need to find the right fit...
would being a nonnie change your GT status in any way?
might be worth looking into.


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as I recall the Anonnies needed to eat a lot more protein...that would be the go ahead to eat the turkey, which is a nuetral.
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also the difference in subtypes is important.....
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As group A2 is intermediate in several of its properties between A1 and O...


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Maybe you should go back to the BTD ?
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also the difference in subtypes is important.....



How would being an A2 matter if we're following the genotype diet?  There is no mention of A2
in the Genotype Diet book as far as figuring out one's genotype... (or if there is, I missed it).

Must a person alter the BTD for A if they're a subtype?




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I'm sure the A2 situation is combined somehow into the GTD.
Someone whould coma along with more info. I am interested in all the types, and the A seems to have more anomalies.

But I'm an O & still working on gathering a little better, so I'm sharing that yesterday I ate 5 things that gatherers shouldn't & only one that hunters shouldn't. Here's the list of offenders [including stuff we have around to use up]: Bananas, small amt. of dates, beets, brown rice flour, & the trace amt. of soy oil in the tuna(I drained it).
Today it's back to gathering. So far I had some pineapple.
So far I'm eating more canned veggies as I avoid the fresh broccoli(DH gets more now!.)   It's also hard not being able to eat rice other than basmati. Quinoa is good mixed in to other things, but I'm still learning. I always ate lots of lettuce & tomato salads, so now it's going to be even more!
But I'll miss the avocado & beets in them. But I am blessing my
teacher friend with avocados & carrots!! I love to make her happy. She is so enjoying the diet & feeling better!!!!
Thanks for listening to my confessional. To the average onlooker, it looks stupid. They would think of cake & candy as cheating. Can you inmagine that broccoli would be cheating???
Cheerio, friends. It looks like another exciting week-more SNOW predicted! [Hey, it's March!!!!!]
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PT, I am well aware of the fish deal. AND as some of us have already said, fish only lasts about 1-2 hours and we're hungry again.

Interesting, I've never found that to be the case post-fish ingestion.  Most cold-water fish contains excellent quality protein plus omega 3 fat and really stands me in good stead for quite a while.
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BESIDES the servings are THREE to FOUR times WEEKLY! AND some of us don't do well eating two different kinds of protein at a meal - for the present anyway.

Then don't eat two different kinds of protein at one meal, eat several small meals throughout the day, spaced a few hours apart each.  That type of portioning and frequency seems to work best for A Types (as in, Type A's) anyway, and it seems that most Warriors are Type A's, so this diet is probably geared more for "grazing" than for eating meals spaced many hours apart.

Good point about the 3 - 4 times weekly portion recommendation for fish.  That does limit you with that protein source, but you certainly are allowed 5 - 7 eggs per week, so you could have an egg each day, and cottage cheese is a superfood that you can enjoy 4 times weekly, and your veggie proteins are recommended to be enjoyed at least twice daily, so that would be AFFORDABLE proteins like adzuki beans, almond butter, all sorts of soy products, walnuts, navy beans, peanut butter, lentils, etc.
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I have been tweaking this diet for seven weeks...Another thing, the detox enters the picture, as you have very graphically described a few times.

What are you referring to?  When have I ever "very graphically described" some sort of detox?  I have talked about having a bad cold and then a flu virus right on the heels of that this winter, but I do not believe I have been "very graphic" about it.

Anyway, sorry you don't care for the Warrior diet.  Perhaps the BTD is a better fit for you.  Have you taken the quiz on the homepage?  The only thing is, you mention your cholesterol being high, which is a concern for a Type A if the HDL:LDL ratio isn't good.  Therefore, I would personally continue to give the Warrior diet a good long try.  But that is up to you.


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How would being an A2 matter if we're following the genotype diet?

if following GTD it would mean knowing more about the person s individuality and physiology....
but the person I was talking to was hesitant of following GTD, that is the reason I suggested it.

I am very pleased to know all there is to know about my status and double negative lewis , NN etc.....that also didn t change my gatherer stat.....still good to know, I think.


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Ms. PT, I never said I didn't care for the Warrior Diet. Far from it.  Not even close. The portions are what I'm having a problem with AND detox. As for the eggs - you are off here. I don't care who thinks otherwise, I am not about to eat that many eggs in a week until my cholesterol gets more in line. It is too risky. The dairy is very iffy for me as I've said before. I have been able to find a yogurt that is acceptable but the cottage cheese is NOT acceptable for anyone unless they can have uncultered milk. I don't have a local HFS that carries REAL cottage cheese.

As for your calculations of the proteins, which you obviously think would make a super diet, you need to run these items by the USDA site that I posted on this  board some time ago. Several of these proteins are not balanced, and I don't do well with that, either, aside from the fact that the protein is low in most of them.

Most of the time I manage all right on the diet if I am at home and able to grab something when I get weak but spending just two hours in a store can leave me shaky and weak, and I never know when it will happen.

When I was younger, I doubt you could have kept up with me - most women couldn't and a lot of men. But as you get older the body has a tendency to not keep up with what the mind demands. You simply have to learn your new limitations and live with it. I bow to no one in my ability to get the most out of what my body is able to do!

You can't remember your graphic descriptions of Coldzilla and all the stuff you suspected that you were getting rid of?!
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here a few facts on eggs and cholesterol
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000340.htm


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Lola, I've read all that and also I haven't failed to notice that Dr. D. has limited our eggs to 5-7 per week. Other comments he has made and from my own feelings, I will continue to limit whole eggs. I'm a great fan of eggs and lecithin, never fear. I began using lecithin as an addition to my food a few decades ago.
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Ms. PT

What's with the bolded "Ms."?  To quote one of the GEICO cavemen, "I'm not a hundred percent in love with your tone right now."  
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I never said I didn't care for the Warrior Diet. Far from it.  Not even close.

Oh.  My bad, then.  It definitely seemed to me from your posts that you were unhappy with the diet.  I'm glad to hear that you aren't.  I hope with some tweaking/customization, it will work fabulously for ya.
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the cottage cheese is NOT acceptable for anyone unless they can have uncultered milk. I don't have a local HFS that carries REAL cottage cheese.

I go by what Dr. D. says.  He obviously does not agree that cottage cheese is "NOT acceptable for anyone", as he lists cottage cheese as a superfood for your Warrior type.  If you can find a pure one, it's a superfood.  My HFS doesn't have any acceptable brands so, ironically, I go to the regular grocery store, which has a pure brand.
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...As for your calculations of the proteins, which you obviously think would make a super diet, you need to run these items by the USDA site that I posted on this  board some time ago. Several of these proteins are not balanced

It is up to the "user" of the diet to choose a balanced diet from the abundant choices available to each of the genotypes.  No one individual food is going to provide a perfectly balanced protein source...or only very rare individual foods can do that, anyway.  If you want a perfectly balanced food all in one item, get a powdered meal replacement drink.  Because when working with whole foods, you need to do the work to put together your own balanced diet.
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You can't remember your graphic descriptions of Coldzilla and all the stuff you suspected that you were getting rid of?!

No.  I remember talking about coldzilla, fer shuuur, but I don't remember anything particularly graphic about the discussion.



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Use whatever works in your diet. We are all individuals and respond to both the BTD and the GTD as individuals. What works well for one person might need some modification for someone else. There is no bad or wrong way to do this--only lots of experimentation and patience.

I live with a probable Warrior (she is AB- and I think possibly a nonnie as well), and she has trouble getting enough protein. Though she does not follow either the BTD or the GTD, she does use some of the principles in her own diet. She is discovering what works for her one step at a time. That's all any of us can do.

If you are having trouble finding compliant cottage cheese, you might consider making your own from organic milk. I make a batch once a month with nothing more than milk and lemon juice, both organic. Eating a 2 oz portion of storebought cottage cheese or ricotta used to have me congested and sluggish for days. Eating homemade cottage cheese doesn't bother me in the least and leaves me feeling great I'd like to try making it from goat's milk eventually, as soon as I can find a reliable source. Our HFS sometimes has goat's milk from a local rancher, but it sells out very quickly!






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Brighid, I have mentioned that after I get through with this project I started January 1st I plan to make whatever I need. There just isn't time right now. I made my first yogurt nearly forty years ago so this sort of thing is not new to me. (I won't ever forget my eighteen month old eating it as if it were the best thing he had ever tasted!) I will take a break the middle of next week, if nothing else comes up, and I hope to have time to get some things done then. Starting the diet with all that has been going on has been stressful, to say the least. Usually, when I do something like this, I go all out to get everything lined up so I can settle into it as soon as possible. But, with me wanting to get started right away, it didn't happen this time. Thanks for your post.
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p.t, have you ever read the contents of a carton of cottage cheese in a regular grocery? It plainly says, as we have discussed before on this board, that it contains cultured milk AND milk, cream or whatever. That is not cultured milk and Dr. D. would be the last person on earth to recommend that for a Warrior. Uncultured milk is added after the cottage cheese is made.

Maybe your "tone" is your usual way of addressing people, maybe it doesn't always fit the occasion.
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Get out the boxing gloves!  tone against tone...

eating preferances against eating recommendations...

opinions and attitudes!  

Getting to read all this is like a ring side seat!

You gotta love it.  What's the old saying?  "Let's agree to disagree?"!  
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I have no interest in boxing gloves or anything else to do with arguing with someone about this diet just for the sake of jousting. I should have just let PT sound off to the wall and been done with it, but I don't like to be quoted out of context, etc.. This diet is serious to me and I don't need a coach who has their own, different concerns and obstacles to deal with to make it work. I'm not pretending to be able to walk in her shoes - we all have different concerns that don't fit in a box.

I doubt very seriously, when all is said and done, that there are very many people on this board who have adhered more closely to the diet than I have. There is a lot of difference in going around eating avoids and being concerned about the portions being too small of proteins and too many carbs being a problem. That is a no-brainer.

I'm afraid your enjoyment is over as far as I'm concerned, Funky. You'll have to find a "fight" somewhere else!
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cottage cheese made by Friendship Dairy..
Ingredients:  Cultured Pasteurized Grade A skim milk, milk and Vitamin A Palmitate
think it s about the only one with no cream added.....
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p.t, have you ever read the contents of a carton of cottage cheese in a regular grocery? It plainly says, as we have discussed before on this board, that it contains cultured milk AND milk, cream or whatever. That is not cultured milk and Dr. D. would be the last person on earth to recommend that for a Warrior. Uncultured milk is added after the cottage cheese is made.

Maybe your "tone" is your usual way of addressing people, maybe it doesn't always fit the occasion.

It is your tone towards me that has been nasty throughout this thread.  I am done responding to you as of now because of that very fact, as your aggression keeps getting more and more pointed.  This is a respectful board and I don't choose to engage with people who seem intent on being antagonistic.  I hope you will get the kinks worked out in customizing your Warrior diet and that you will thrive on it.  Peace out.



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I guess I didn't read every word of this thread, but we are a friendly board. I don't want any misunderstandings.
PT is the Erma Bombeck of the BTD & writes in a friendly, emotional style. She means NO harm to any of us as far as I can tell. But in her emotion, she often expresses our feeling & struggles as we learn to eat right for all our types.  I enjoy her posts & I may not agree with everything she says. After all, I've been reading her for some years now. I usually look forward to what she says & how she expresses it.

I also haven't seen any animosity from Spring, so let's all agree to be friends.

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I guess I didn't read every word of this thread...I also haven't seen any animosity from Spring, so let's all agree to be friends.  Peace,  Mrs "T"   O+  

Sorry, Mrs. T., but I have read the entire thread.  Maybe that is why, unlike you, I have detected clear, increasingly unmistakable animosity towards me from Spring, and even worse, she is now trying to spin things around to make it seem like I have been "sounding off" or something to her, when all I've done is try to respond to her concerns about the Warrior diet with suggestions that I hoped would be helpful to her.  Her continuing and escalating attacks and attempts to pick a fight are why my last response to her says I am done responding to her.  So, no, I cannot agree to what you are asking of me, namely that we all agree to be friends (although I wish her well).  I don't choose to be friends with folks who are intent on attacking me for no reason and mischaracterizing my words, sorry.  The best I can do is NOT respond to her.  Trust me, that is for the best at this point.



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Just starting reading this thread.  Gotta say, what's up with Spring, a bit of a bee in her bonnet??

PT you have been extremely nice throughout this thread, I am always amazed at how well you write and still maintain your sense of humour!!!!
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Just starting reading this thread.  Gotta say, what's up with Spring, a bit of a bee in her bonnet??

PT you have been extremely nice throughout this thread, I am always amazed at how well you write and still maintain your sense of humour!!!!

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cottage cheese made by Friendship Dairy..
Ingredients:  Cultured Pasteurized Grade A skim milk, milk and Vitamin A Palmitate
think it s about the only one with no cream added.....
http://www.friendshipdairies.com


Lola, when it says cultured skim milk, milk, etc., that means  there is plain milk in the cottage cheese. This is the reason so many people have problems with purchased cottage cheese. It is like poison to us. I did buy some Friendship cottage cheese earlier, and it made me sick before I realized it had plain milk in it. There are some people who don't have as much trouble with uncultured milk who can wash the milk and/or cream off and eat it with no problem. My sister is one of them.
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cottage cheese made by Friendship Dairy..
Ingredients:  Cultured Pasteurized Grade A skim milk, milk and Vitamin A Palmitate
think it s about the only one with no cream added.....
http://www.friendshipdairies.com

Lola, that is the brand I buy, right at the regular grocery store.  As I mentioned earlier, I find it ironic that my HFS does not have a pure, avoid-free brand like that, but, whatareyagonnado?  Luckily, Carol ("harmonykitty") turned me on to the Friendship brand.  It is great and comes in salted or unsalted.  I go for the unsalted and add my own sea salt--yummm!



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Well, I used to go for the Friendship cottage cheese, but sadly that is not a part of my diet anymore.  I believe it's a black dotter.  Plus right now I'm having too much fun eating all the cheddar, swisses and colby cheeses to my hearts content!  

And PT, you have only come across as your usual helpful and supportive self!  Rock on baby!!!


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Well, I used to go for the Friendship cottage cheese, but sadly that is not a part of my diet anymore.  I believe it's a black dotter.  Plus right now I'm having too much fun eating all the cheddar, swisses and colby cheeses to my hearts content!  

And PT, you have only come across as your usual helpful and supportive self!  Rock on baby!!!

Oh, man, so when you told me about the Friendship cottage cheese, you knew that you could no longer enjoy it, as it was now a black dot for you?  How bittersweet!  I'm glad you have all these NEW food friends/superfoods, like cheddar, swiss and colby, so that you don't miss some of the old Type B nonnie beneficials that have been snatched from your loving embrace!

I feel the same way:  I have lost broccoli and sweet potato (although they are actually only black dots, but I've lost kumquats and avocados, which really hurts, what with them growing in my yard and all...so I do still eat those two gems, as they are black dots as well--whew!) but gained oatmeal and cottage cheese.  You win a few, you lose a few.

I'm really looking forward to our GTDer's Night Out at the Greek place!!!  I don't have anything to wear and I need a haircut before then, as I don't want you to see me in all my raggety splendor, but if I show up in a burlap sack and with my hair looking like that of Don King, don't panic.  It is just me!


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You'd look fine in your burlap sack!  I need a haircut too, so Don King, meet Dolly Parton!

BTW, I'm really bummed about tomatoes.     I so loved them but I can see now that they didn't love me.  Plus, turkey turned into a superfood!  So I really can't complain.


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You'd look fine in your burlap sack!  I need a haircut too, so Don King, meet Dolly Parton!

BTW, I'm really bummed about tomatoes.     I so loved them but I can see now that they didn't love me.  Plus, turkey turned into a superfood!  So I really can't complain.

I feel so bad for Nomads on the tomato front.  I use them in everything, as tomato marinara seems to be just the ticket in basically everything.  Sarah had a recipe at one point for a faux tomato paste and it was something like ...oh, drat, I'll have to find it for you.  But everyone who tried it raved about it.  I can't remember what all was in it, but I remember it was very clever and sounded like it really would be a good substitute.  I will find it at some point and let you know.

I think we are all still in an adjustment period with this new Genotype Diet.  We need to give ourselves time to figure out what we can substitute for foods that used to be beneficials or neutrals for us and are now TTAs (toxins to avoid--that is my new acronym for them...pretty slick, no?   ).  Just as when we started the BTD, it will take time to figure out substitutes for everything we may miss.  It will also take time, exploration and tweaking to get the customization just right for things that have changed a lot for us from BTD to GTD.  Like, for me, I'm allowed WAY more grains on the GTD than I was on the O nonnie BTD, so I'm still in the process of figuring out just how well that will or won't work for me as an individual, frequency-wise, and adjusting accordingly.  In the meantime, let's revel in our NEW superfoods and neutrals!  Hey, with the BTD, it took me years to find a compliant storebought bread that I could actually use untoasted for sandwiches, but I ultimately did it--and I'm an O non!  If I could find that, anything is possible!


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Luckily my Nomad husband has always loathed tomatoes (guess he has smart genes), so I'm used to cooking without them.     I even make chili without tomatoes...I use dried chile peppers instead, Texas Red style (although now I'm not sure if these are legal or not...?).
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'yagonna' enjoy every bite of your compliant CC and other!
I am trying to master my paneer home making ability for now, and know I will not be stumbling into any kind of avoid free diamond cheese species down here in the 3rd world!!


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Luckily my Nomad husband has always loathed tomatoes (guess he has smart genes), so I'm used to cooking without them.     I even make chili without tomatoes...I use dried chile peppers instead, Texas Red style (although now I'm not sure if these are legal or not...?).


This sounds like a great recipe Beetnik!  Can I have it?  I love chili, but figured it would no longer be good without the tomatoes.


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I feel so bad for Nomads on the tomato front.  I use them in everything, as tomato marinara seems to be just the ticket in basically everything.  Sarah had a recipe at one point for a faux tomato paste and it was something like ...oh, drat, I'll have to find it for you.  But everyone who tried it raved about it.  I can't remember what all was in it, but I remember it was very clever and sounded like it really would be a good substitute.  I will find it at some point and let you know.


Oh, maybe you could find that recipe somewhere?  I can't tell you how much I'd use tomatoes.  They always made every meal taste better.  I always had a few cans in the pantry to add to whatever I was making.  At least I'm not as bad as my father, he was the "ketchup on corn flakes" type of person.  

Now that I've been on the diet (at a fairly compliant level  ) I am getting much more used to it and liking it a bit more.  It all takes time but it's getting easier.


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This sounds like a great recipe Beetnik!  Can I have it?  I love chili, but figured it would no longer be good without the tomatoes.


This is the original recipe:
http://www.g6csy.net/chile/recipes/Texas%20Red%20Chili%20con%20Carne%202.txt

It does just fine without the masa harina (I never had it around so I never used it and my chili was always yummy).  I always just used the recipe as a rough guide; it's very forgiving.  You can use just about any kind of dried chili or any kind of meat.  And of course the bacon fat is out for everyone here, but any fat will do really.
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Lola, when it says cultured skim milk, milk, etc., that means  there is plain milk in the cottage cheese. This is the reason so many people have problems with purchased cottage cheese. It is like poison to us.

I do not purchase any dairy because of the avoids used during the process......but now that I switched to GTD I am making my own paneer from scratch using organic cow s milk and am doing great with that......happy the home made process is so easy!

you might want to give it a try if it s a diamond in your list, too.


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I do not purchase any dairy because of the avoids used during the process......but now that I switched to GTD I am making my own paneer from scratch using organic cow s milk and am doing great with that......happy the home made process is so easy!

you might want to give it a try if it s a diamond in your list, too.


I am really anxious to try the farmer's cheese from Recipe Central - but that won't be until after next Wednesday! Then you can tell me the tricks of making paneer that you have learned!   I LOVE cheese!
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Off-topic here for a moment:

I've made my own paneer with lemon juice or apple cider vinegar and prefer the lemon juice. It has a cleaner taste to me--you can really taste the vinegar, and while it isn't unpleasant, I don't really want that taste to come out in my cheese. So for me, the acid to add is lemon juice.

Btw, an old Pennsylvania Dutch tradition combines cottage cheese and apple butter. I have tried this and while it sounds weird, it is actually very tasty! I've also tried it with peach and pumpkin butter and it was delicious! A little goes a long way but it makes a very nice light breakfast or lunch, or a mid-morning snack. It's also good as a side dish for turkey or lamb sausage or cutlets.

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Brig,
That sounds good to me. I like to mix cottage cheese with salsa too.  It almosts taste like shrimp.  I mix it with cranberry pepper preserves too.
I've been buying the Friendship cottage cheese and I must admit to still eating the goat cheeses.  
I've never had paneer. What does it taste like?
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I was doing ok on the Warrior diet and then I decided to try the Teacher diet to see if I felt any different.  I felt different all right .  I caught the stomach virus.


Maybe that's an indication that I should follow the Warrior diet..
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Oh, maybe you could find that recipe somewhere?  I can't tell you how much I'd use tomatoes.  They always made every meal taste better.

Exactly, and they'd be great for our respective prostates, too, if we had any.  I tried to find Sarah's post containing her tomato recipe on another board, but I forgot my password (I'm not even sure I had my log-in moniker correct, in point of fact!) and it wouldn't let me search a member's posts without it, dang it.  So then I searched all the posts on the site using keywords which just ended up getting me all sad about Sarah no longer being with us and did NOT net me her faux tomato sauce recipe.  Anyway, I'm now on a mission to find it for you, but it may take me a while.  I'm thinking she might have posted it somewhere on THIS site, but I'm going to have to hunt for it.  Just know that I am on the case.  btw, I think it is similar to, if not the exact actual recipe, as the one Brig linked!  However, they have edited all the recipes so much that I can't tell if that was originally posted by Sarah or what.  But I think hers definitely did have to do with carrots and beets, that sounds soooooo familiar!  So give that one a try because I think that Brig might just have, to quote John McLaughlin:  "lurched uncontrollably into the truth!"


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Beetnik, that chili recipe sounds fabulous!  I would definitely leave out the masa harina/hominy and change out the bacon drippings for another fat, as you suggest.  That really sounds good, yummmmmm!


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Thanks Brig!  I just printed it out.  I am not sure about the beets but I think everything else is a superfood for a Nomad!  Perhaps some roasted red peppers can take their place.


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Thank you Lola!  I am printing that one out too!


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This is the original recipe:
http://www.g6csy.net/chile/recipes/Texas%20Red%20Chili%20con%20Carne%202.txt

It does just fine without the masa harina (I never had it around so I never used it and my chili was always yummy).  I always just used the recipe as a rough guide; it's very forgiving.  You can use just about any kind of dried chili or any kind of meat.  And of course the bacon fat is out for everyone here, but any fat will do really.


Thank you Beetnik!  I've never heard of masa harina, so I'm glad it can be left out!  These are some great recipes (yours and the no tomato sauces) that both my husband and I can use.  I believe tomatoes are now a black dot avoid for him (hunter) so he too wants to avoid them.  Especially since he's had GERD issues in the past.

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Btw, an old Pennsylvania Dutch tradition combines cottage cheese and apple butter. I have tried this and while it sounds weird, it is actually very tasty!

/thread hijack


Wow, that brings back memories.  I used to eat cottage cheese and apple butter sandwiches all the time!  Sounds gross but it really was good.  Of course, it was on some type of wheat bread!  Since my mother is from PA, I wonder if that's where I picked up that combo from....


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My dad's side of the family is Pennsylvania Dutch from way, way back.  He grew up in Lititz, PA.  Anyway, he introduced me to all sorts of strange, fascinating Pennsylvania-Dutch delicacies, like red beet eggs.  He was also into some branded items that seemed to be uniquely Pennsylvania-Dutch, such as birch beer, Snyder's pretzels, and Gibbles potato chips (slogan:  "I nibbled with Gibbles").

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Another thread hijack:

HK, using roasted red peppers in place of the beets is a good experiment and I bet it will taste yummy!

If you are of a mind to do so, try a 50/50 blend of quinoa/millet flour in place of the masa harina. I've found that quinoa/millet makes a very tasty substitute for cornmeal and limed corn flour.

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Twinnie, you can get beet-juice pickled eggs at just about any deli here. I'm not that fond of them, but the homemade kind are okay. As for birch beer, the formula has been messed with so now it has HFCS in it , but if you go to events like the Kutztown Folk Festival in the summer you can often get homemade birch beer, and it's delicious!

Cherry wishniak (cherry soda) has also been adulterated with HFCS, much to my disgust. Wishniak is delicious when made properly--it's like sparkling all-cherry cider, just fantastic.

As for Snyder's pretzels and Gibbles potato chips, all I can say is, they are delicious as a special holiday treat once a year or so.

The No Tomato Tomato Sauce was posted originally to Typebase by Jill, but she could have received the recipe from Sarah. Any road, it's truly delicious--and I do not like beets at all!    

/hijack


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Twinnie, you can get beet-juice pickled eggs at just about any deli here. I'm not that fond of them, but the homemade kind are okay.

My Dad used to make his own.  I thought they were pretty exotic, myself, and I was a kid who was typically VERY open to any and all seemingly "weird" or exotic foods, so they must have seemed REALLY weird to me for me to have thought:  "Whoa, what have we here?  Not sure about these..." *lol*  I was not a big red beet egg afionado.  They were okay, but...I dunno.  I'd probably love them today, for the sentimental value (good memories of my dad), if nothing else.  But as a kid...they were a tad beyond my scope of practice!
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As for birch beer, the formula has been messed with so now it has HFCS in it , but if you go to events like the Kutztown Folk Festival in the summer you can often get homemade birch beer, and it's delicious!

I figured it was nothing but HFCS now.  I notice that the site doesn't list ingredients, even on the nutritional facts label .pdf that one can pull up.  That is the brand my Daddy used to drink, too.  Gosh, I'm getting all sentimental!  He would be tickled that I'm remembering and talking about all this.  I don't think he felt he ever got through to me on ANYTHING, or that I ever listened to a word he said or paid any attention to him, sadly.  I think he'd be surprised that I remember "the little things" about him, ya know?  The birch beer was interesting, but a tad too sweet for this nonnie.  I was a tonic water w/lime or Rose's lime juice child myself (see, told ya I was a weirdo, even then).  He made a few other things that I'm not so sure as I am of the above were Pennsylvania-Dutch, like this oyster stew.  Wish I could remember what he put in there.  It was oysters...milk...butter, maybe?  Not a low-fat recipe **!  It was always sort of gross-looking, because whatever the fat was in there would separate from the milk...not attractive, looks-wise, yet really good-tasting, albiet a little too "milk-like" for this child who can't stand plain milk.  That oyster stew was one way to get milk into me, though, if anyone had really wanted to.  One lovely thing about my particular set of parents was that they couldn't care less about the fact that I didn't drink milk, whereas most parents of that era were very keen on their kids downing tons and tons of milk.  Mine, on the other hand, got me a note from my pediatrician in order to get the elementary school lunch lady off my back, because she would always force me to take a little carton of milk, which I would promptly give away or throw out.  One day, she tried to force me to drink it.  WELL!  You know my rants of today, as a "mature" adult?  Picture me as a defiant, precocious, willful, BRATTY child, and you can envision the MAYHEM that ensued.  Tantrum ALERT!  Next thing you know, the school apparently sent home a note requiring that I drink milk, and I apparently pitched some sort of massive, massive fit, at which point somehow I got carted off to the doctor and he wrote a note saying, quote:  "This child does not require milk."

!  Rebellious little O non!

..But now my Dad's oyster stew, that was another story, and it did contain the dreaded milk.  Too bad the lunch lady didn't just give me a scoop of Breyer's Mint Chip ice cream daily.  End of problem!
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"Cherry wishniak (cherry soda) has also been adulterated with HFCS, much to my disgust. Wishniak is delicious when made properly--it's like sparkling all-cherry cider, just fantastic."

Never heard of "wishniak", but is that a PA-Dutch thing, because my dad's other thing was Cherry Smash, remember that soda?  He and I were simpatico on that one, big time!  But he was mainly a birch beer man.  Actually, he was mainly a BEER-beer man, but for soda, he went for the birch.
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As for Snyder's pretzels and Gibbles potato chips, all I can say is, they are delicious as a special holiday treat once a year or so.

The Snyder's were a bit dry for this child (read:  where's the FAT?), but now the Gibbles, omg.  o.  m.  g.  Maybe it was my dad who started me out on my wanton, chip-loving path!!!  Never thought of that before!  Gibbles.  ...May we observe a moment of silence please?  ...  *wistful sigh*  ...Okay, I'm back with you now!
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The No Tomato Tomato Sauce was posted originally to Typebase by Jill, but she could have received the recipe from Sarah.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, I seem to vaguely (VERY vaguely, mind you **) remember Jill and Sarah discussing the tomato sauce...but I'm not sure.  I am sure now, though, that Sarah's was all about carrots and beets.  Yummmmmmm!  Take heart, tomato-free types, all is not lost!



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I vaguely remember that too, PT.  No tomato tomato sauce made from beets and carrots.  I love beets and for us Gatherers I think they are a black dot avoid, right?  I was into these roasted ones from France that WFs.
I grew up drinking all the different flavors of Cott soda, raspberry and sasparilla, etc.  Then there was this stuff called celery tonic that I wasn't crazy about.  
Brings back lots of fond childhood memories.
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Would this work for a tomato free pasta sauce?

JAPANESE STYLE
TOMATO-FREE SPAGHETTI SAUCE

Preparation time: 1 to 1 ½ hours
Serves: 7 - 8 people
Ingredients:
1 to 1 ½ pounds carrots, cut into large pieces
2 or 3 large beetroot, diced
2 or 3 celery stalks, cut into large pieces
2 bay leaves
2 tablespoons red kome miso
2 or 3 cups water to pressure cook or boil
2 - 4 cloves garlic
1 - 2 tablespoons olive oil
1 teaspoon oregano
½ teaspoon basil, marjoram or thyme
2 tablespoon arrowroot or kuzu, dissolve in ¼ cup water

Procedure:
Wash vegetables and cut into large pieces. Peel the rough end of the beets.
Place vegetables, bay leaves, miso and water in pressure cooker (if boiling, add water to cover, boil until very soft).
Cook under pressure 15 to 20 minutes. Remove bay leaves. Puree vegetables, using red broth as needed.
Return to pot. Saute garlic and add sauce, olive oil, oregano, basil.
Arrowroot or kuzu can be added for extra sheen and body.
Simmer 15 to 20 minutes, allowing flavour to improve. Adjust seasonings to taste.

Variations:
Try parsnips, zucchini / courgette, mushrooms or peppers in sauce.
1 teaspoon umeboshi lends "pazzaz" that tomatoes would otherwise give (if they weren't evil'

Japanese Ingredients:
Umeboshi means dried plum. It is actually a species of apricot. It has been used as food and medicine in China, Korea and Japan.
Kuzu - Japanese miracle food Akizuki Wild Kuzu
- Hand-extracted from wild kuzu roots, this special grade of kuzu offers superior jelling strength. Use as a thickening agent in cooking and as a delicious restorative drink.
Miso (fermented bean paste) is a concentrated, savory paste made from soybeans
-often mixed with a grain such as rice, barley, or wheat--that is fermented with a yeast mold (koji) and then combined with salt and water.
-Red miso is strong and salty and is generally used for stews, soups and braised foods. Dark brown miso is the most pungent.


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That tomatoless tomato sauce sounds great, minus the celery for Teachers.  I will definitely try it!
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