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Chloe
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also the difference in subtypes is important.....



How would being an A2 matter if we're following the genotype diet?  There is no mention of A2
in the Genotype Diet book as far as figuring out one's genotype... (or if there is, I missed it).

Must a person alter the BTD for A if they're a subtype?




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I'm sure the A2 situation is combined somehow into the GTD.
Someone whould coma along with more info. I am interested in all the types, and the A seems to have more anomalies.

But I'm an O & still working on gathering a little better, so I'm sharing that yesterday I ate 5 things that gatherers shouldn't & only one that hunters shouldn't. Here's the list of offenders [including stuff we have around to use up]: Bananas, small amt. of dates, beets, brown rice flour, & the trace amt. of soy oil in the tuna(I drained it).
Today it's back to gathering. So far I had some pineapple.
So far I'm eating more canned veggies as I avoid the fresh broccoli(DH gets more now!.)   It's also hard not being able to eat rice other than basmati. Quinoa is good mixed in to other things, but I'm still learning. I always ate lots of lettuce & tomato salads, so now it's going to be even more!
But I'll miss the avocado & beets in them. But I am blessing my
teacher friend with avocados & carrots!! I love to make her happy. She is so enjoying the diet & feeling better!!!!
Thanks for listening to my confessional. To the average onlooker, it looks stupid. They would think of cake & candy as cheating. Can you inmagine that broccoli would be cheating???
Cheerio, friends. It looks like another exciting week-more SNOW predicted! [Hey, it's March!!!!!]
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PT, I am well aware of the fish deal. AND as some of us have already said, fish only lasts about 1-2 hours and we're hungry again.

Interesting, I've never found that to be the case post-fish ingestion.  Most cold-water fish contains excellent quality protein plus omega 3 fat and really stands me in good stead for quite a while.
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BESIDES the servings are THREE to FOUR times WEEKLY! AND some of us don't do well eating two different kinds of protein at a meal - for the present anyway.

Then don't eat two different kinds of protein at one meal, eat several small meals throughout the day, spaced a few hours apart each.  That type of portioning and frequency seems to work best for A Types (as in, Type A's) anyway, and it seems that most Warriors are Type A's, so this diet is probably geared more for "grazing" than for eating meals spaced many hours apart.

Good point about the 3 - 4 times weekly portion recommendation for fish.  That does limit you with that protein source, but you certainly are allowed 5 - 7 eggs per week, so you could have an egg each day, and cottage cheese is a superfood that you can enjoy 4 times weekly, and your veggie proteins are recommended to be enjoyed at least twice daily, so that would be AFFORDABLE proteins like adzuki beans, almond butter, all sorts of soy products, walnuts, navy beans, peanut butter, lentils, etc.
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I have been tweaking this diet for seven weeks...Another thing, the detox enters the picture, as you have very graphically described a few times.

What are you referring to?  When have I ever "very graphically described" some sort of detox?  I have talked about having a bad cold and then a flu virus right on the heels of that this winter, but I do not believe I have been "very graphic" about it.

Anyway, sorry you don't care for the Warrior diet.  Perhaps the BTD is a better fit for you.  Have you taken the quiz on the homepage?  The only thing is, you mention your cholesterol being high, which is a concern for a Type A if the HDL:LDL ratio isn't good.  Therefore, I would personally continue to give the Warrior diet a good long try.  But that is up to you.


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How would being an A2 matter if we're following the genotype diet?

if following GTD it would mean knowing more about the person s individuality and physiology....
but the person I was talking to was hesitant of following GTD, that is the reason I suggested it.

I am very pleased to know all there is to know about my status and double negative lewis , NN etc.....that also didn t change my gatherer stat.....still good to know, I think.


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Ms. PT, I never said I didn't care for the Warrior Diet. Far from it.  Not even close. The portions are what I'm having a problem with AND detox. As for the eggs - you are off here. I don't care who thinks otherwise, I am not about to eat that many eggs in a week until my cholesterol gets more in line. It is too risky. The dairy is very iffy for me as I've said before. I have been able to find a yogurt that is acceptable but the cottage cheese is NOT acceptable for anyone unless they can have uncultered milk. I don't have a local HFS that carries REAL cottage cheese.

As for your calculations of the proteins, which you obviously think would make a super diet, you need to run these items by the USDA site that I posted on this  board some time ago. Several of these proteins are not balanced, and I don't do well with that, either, aside from the fact that the protein is low in most of them.

Most of the time I manage all right on the diet if I am at home and able to grab something when I get weak but spending just two hours in a store can leave me shaky and weak, and I never know when it will happen.

When I was younger, I doubt you could have kept up with me - most women couldn't and a lot of men. But as you get older the body has a tendency to not keep up with what the mind demands. You simply have to learn your new limitations and live with it. I bow to no one in my ability to get the most out of what my body is able to do!

You can't remember your graphic descriptions of Coldzilla and all the stuff you suspected that you were getting rid of?!
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here a few facts on eggs and cholesterol
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000340.htm


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Lola, I've read all that and also I haven't failed to notice that Dr. D. has limited our eggs to 5-7 per week. Other comments he has made and from my own feelings, I will continue to limit whole eggs. I'm a great fan of eggs and lecithin, never fear. I began using lecithin as an addition to my food a few decades ago.
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Ms. PT

What's with the bolded "Ms."?  To quote one of the GEICO cavemen, "I'm not a hundred percent in love with your tone right now."  
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I never said I didn't care for the Warrior Diet. Far from it.  Not even close.

Oh.  My bad, then.  It definitely seemed to me from your posts that you were unhappy with the diet.  I'm glad to hear that you aren't.  I hope with some tweaking/customization, it will work fabulously for ya.
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the cottage cheese is NOT acceptable for anyone unless they can have uncultered milk. I don't have a local HFS that carries REAL cottage cheese.

I go by what Dr. D. says.  He obviously does not agree that cottage cheese is "NOT acceptable for anyone", as he lists cottage cheese as a superfood for your Warrior type.  If you can find a pure one, it's a superfood.  My HFS doesn't have any acceptable brands so, ironically, I go to the regular grocery store, which has a pure brand.
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...As for your calculations of the proteins, which you obviously think would make a super diet, you need to run these items by the USDA site that I posted on this  board some time ago. Several of these proteins are not balanced

It is up to the "user" of the diet to choose a balanced diet from the abundant choices available to each of the genotypes.  No one individual food is going to provide a perfectly balanced protein source...or only very rare individual foods can do that, anyway.  If you want a perfectly balanced food all in one item, get a powdered meal replacement drink.  Because when working with whole foods, you need to do the work to put together your own balanced diet.
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You can't remember your graphic descriptions of Coldzilla and all the stuff you suspected that you were getting rid of?!

No.  I remember talking about coldzilla, fer shuuur, but I don't remember anything particularly graphic about the discussion.



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Use whatever works in your diet. We are all individuals and respond to both the BTD and the GTD as individuals. What works well for one person might need some modification for someone else. There is no bad or wrong way to do this--only lots of experimentation and patience.

I live with a probable Warrior (she is AB- and I think possibly a nonnie as well), and she has trouble getting enough protein. Though she does not follow either the BTD or the GTD, she does use some of the principles in her own diet. She is discovering what works for her one step at a time. That's all any of us can do.

If you are having trouble finding compliant cottage cheese, you might consider making your own from organic milk. I make a batch once a month with nothing more than milk and lemon juice, both organic. Eating a 2 oz portion of storebought cottage cheese or ricotta used to have me congested and sluggish for days. Eating homemade cottage cheese doesn't bother me in the least and leaves me feeling great I'd like to try making it from goat's milk eventually, as soon as I can find a reliable source. Our HFS sometimes has goat's milk from a local rancher, but it sells out very quickly!






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Brighid, I have mentioned that after I get through with this project I started January 1st I plan to make whatever I need. There just isn't time right now. I made my first yogurt nearly forty years ago so this sort of thing is not new to me. (I won't ever forget my eighteen month old eating it as if it were the best thing he had ever tasted!) I will take a break the middle of next week, if nothing else comes up, and I hope to have time to get some things done then. Starting the diet with all that has been going on has been stressful, to say the least. Usually, when I do something like this, I go all out to get everything lined up so I can settle into it as soon as possible. But, with me wanting to get started right away, it didn't happen this time. Thanks for your post.
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p.t, have you ever read the contents of a carton of cottage cheese in a regular grocery? It plainly says, as we have discussed before on this board, that it contains cultured milk AND milk, cream or whatever. That is not cultured milk and Dr. D. would be the last person on earth to recommend that for a Warrior. Uncultured milk is added after the cottage cheese is made.

Maybe your "tone" is your usual way of addressing people, maybe it doesn't always fit the occasion.
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Get out the boxing gloves!  tone against tone...

eating preferances against eating recommendations...

opinions and attitudes!  

Getting to read all this is like a ring side seat!

You gotta love it.  What's the old saying?  "Let's agree to disagree?"!  
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I have no interest in boxing gloves or anything else to do with arguing with someone about this diet just for the sake of jousting. I should have just let PT sound off to the wall and been done with it, but I don't like to be quoted out of context, etc.. This diet is serious to me and I don't need a coach who has their own, different concerns and obstacles to deal with to make it work. I'm not pretending to be able to walk in her shoes - we all have different concerns that don't fit in a box.

I doubt very seriously, when all is said and done, that there are very many people on this board who have adhered more closely to the diet than I have. There is a lot of difference in going around eating avoids and being concerned about the portions being too small of proteins and too many carbs being a problem. That is a no-brainer.

I'm afraid your enjoyment is over as far as I'm concerned, Funky. You'll have to find a "fight" somewhere else!
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cottage cheese made by Friendship Dairy..
Ingredients:  Cultured Pasteurized Grade A skim milk, milk and Vitamin A Palmitate
think it s about the only one with no cream added.....
http://www.friendshipdairies.com


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p.t, have you ever read the contents of a carton of cottage cheese in a regular grocery? It plainly says, as we have discussed before on this board, that it contains cultured milk AND milk, cream or whatever. That is not cultured milk and Dr. D. would be the last person on earth to recommend that for a Warrior. Uncultured milk is added after the cottage cheese is made.

Maybe your "tone" is your usual way of addressing people, maybe it doesn't always fit the occasion.

It is your tone towards me that has been nasty throughout this thread.  I am done responding to you as of now because of that very fact, as your aggression keeps getting more and more pointed.  This is a respectful board and I don't choose to engage with people who seem intent on being antagonistic.  I hope you will get the kinks worked out in customizing your Warrior diet and that you will thrive on it.  Peace out.



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I guess I didn't read every word of this thread, but we are a friendly board. I don't want any misunderstandings.
PT is the Erma Bombeck of the BTD & writes in a friendly, emotional style. She means NO harm to any of us as far as I can tell. But in her emotion, she often expresses our feeling & struggles as we learn to eat right for all our types.  I enjoy her posts & I may not agree with everything she says. After all, I've been reading her for some years now. I usually look forward to what she says & how she expresses it.

I also haven't seen any animosity from Spring, so let's all agree to be friends.

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I guess I didn't read every word of this thread...I also haven't seen any animosity from Spring, so let's all agree to be friends.  Peace,  Mrs "T"   O+  

Sorry, Mrs. T., but I have read the entire thread.  Maybe that is why, unlike you, I have detected clear, increasingly unmistakable animosity towards me from Spring, and even worse, she is now trying to spin things around to make it seem like I have been "sounding off" or something to her, when all I've done is try to respond to her concerns about the Warrior diet with suggestions that I hoped would be helpful to her.  Her continuing and escalating attacks and attempts to pick a fight are why my last response to her says I am done responding to her.  So, no, I cannot agree to what you are asking of me, namely that we all agree to be friends (although I wish her well).  I don't choose to be friends with folks who are intent on attacking me for no reason and mischaracterizing my words, sorry.  The best I can do is NOT respond to her.  Trust me, that is for the best at this point.



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Just starting reading this thread.  Gotta say, what's up with Spring, a bit of a bee in her bonnet??

PT you have been extremely nice throughout this thread, I am always amazed at how well you write and still maintain your sense of humour!!!!
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Just starting reading this thread.  Gotta say, what's up with Spring, a bit of a bee in her bonnet??

PT you have been extremely nice throughout this thread, I am always amazed at how well you write and still maintain your sense of humour!!!!

((((HUG!))))  



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cottage cheese made by Friendship Dairy..
Ingredients:  Cultured Pasteurized Grade A skim milk, milk and Vitamin A Palmitate
think it s about the only one with no cream added.....
http://www.friendshipdairies.com


Lola, when it says cultured skim milk, milk, etc., that means  there is plain milk in the cottage cheese. This is the reason so many people have problems with purchased cottage cheese. It is like poison to us. I did buy some Friendship cottage cheese earlier, and it made me sick before I realized it had plain milk in it. There are some people who don't have as much trouble with uncultured milk who can wash the milk and/or cream off and eat it with no problem. My sister is one of them.
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Quoted from Lola
cottage cheese made by Friendship Dairy..
Ingredients:  Cultured Pasteurized Grade A skim milk, milk and Vitamin A Palmitate
think it s about the only one with no cream added.....
http://www.friendshipdairies.com

Lola, that is the brand I buy, right at the regular grocery store.  As I mentioned earlier, I find it ironic that my HFS does not have a pure, avoid-free brand like that, but, whatareyagonnado?  Luckily, Carol ("harmonykitty") turned me on to the Friendship brand.  It is great and comes in salted or unsalted.  I go for the unsalted and add my own sea salt--yummm!



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Well, I used to go for the Friendship cottage cheese, but sadly that is not a part of my diet anymore.  I believe it's a black dotter.  Plus right now I'm having too much fun eating all the cheddar, swisses and colby cheeses to my hearts content!  

And PT, you have only come across as your usual helpful and supportive self!  Rock on baby!!!


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Well, I used to go for the Friendship cottage cheese, but sadly that is not a part of my diet anymore.  I believe it's a black dotter.  Plus right now I'm having too much fun eating all the cheddar, swisses and colby cheeses to my hearts content!  

And PT, you have only come across as your usual helpful and supportive self!  Rock on baby!!!

Oh, man, so when you told me about the Friendship cottage cheese, you knew that you could no longer enjoy it, as it was now a black dot for you?  How bittersweet!  I'm glad you have all these NEW food friends/superfoods, like cheddar, swiss and colby, so that you don't miss some of the old Type B nonnie beneficials that have been snatched from your loving embrace!

I feel the same way:  I have lost broccoli and sweet potato (although they are actually only black dots, but I've lost kumquats and avocados, which really hurts, what with them growing in my yard and all...so I do still eat those two gems, as they are black dots as well--whew!) but gained oatmeal and cottage cheese.  You win a few, you lose a few.

I'm really looking forward to our GTDer's Night Out at the Greek place!!!  I don't have anything to wear and I need a haircut before then, as I don't want you to see me in all my raggety splendor, but if I show up in a burlap sack and with my hair looking like that of Don King, don't panic.  It is just me!


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You'd look fine in your burlap sack!  I need a haircut too, so Don King, meet Dolly Parton!

BTW, I'm really bummed about tomatoes.     I so loved them but I can see now that they didn't love me.  Plus, turkey turned into a superfood!  So I really can't complain.


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You'd look fine in your burlap sack!  I need a haircut too, so Don King, meet Dolly Parton!

BTW, I'm really bummed about tomatoes.     I so loved them but I can see now that they didn't love me.  Plus, turkey turned into a superfood!  So I really can't complain.

I feel so bad for Nomads on the tomato front.  I use them in everything, as tomato marinara seems to be just the ticket in basically everything.  Sarah had a recipe at one point for a faux tomato paste and it was something like ...oh, drat, I'll have to find it for you.  But everyone who tried it raved about it.  I can't remember what all was in it, but I remember it was very clever and sounded like it really would be a good substitute.  I will find it at some point and let you know.

I think we are all still in an adjustment period with this new Genotype Diet.  We need to give ourselves time to figure out what we can substitute for foods that used to be beneficials or neutrals for us and are now TTAs (toxins to avoid--that is my new acronym for them...pretty slick, no?   ).  Just as when we started the BTD, it will take time to figure out substitutes for everything we may miss.  It will also take time, exploration and tweaking to get the customization just right for things that have changed a lot for us from BTD to GTD.  Like, for me, I'm allowed WAY more grains on the GTD than I was on the O nonnie BTD, so I'm still in the process of figuring out just how well that will or won't work for me as an individual, frequency-wise, and adjusting accordingly.  In the meantime, let's revel in our NEW superfoods and neutrals!  Hey, with the BTD, it took me years to find a compliant storebought bread that I could actually use untoasted for sandwiches, but I ultimately did it--and I'm an O non!  If I could find that, anything is possible!


"If you are on one of Dr. D's diets and it isn't joyful, you aren't doing it right." - moi

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