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Yellow Doc
Monday, February 11, 2008, 2:56am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I had the opportunity to review The GenoType Diet this weekend, and was very happy to see how much information on epigenetics and biometrics was included in this book.  I think the six types identified in the book present a good balance between a rational and intuitive approach to this emerging science.  

However, I was hoping that Dr. D'Adamo would have discussed in more detail how it was determined that a particular food was beneficial or harmful for certain types.  

As a naturopath, I recognize the ability of foods to affect the expression of our genetic potential, however it is still not clear to me what, specifically, about an almond, makes it toxic  for an "Explorer", while being beneficial to all other types, or why garbanzo beans are only good for "Hunters".

The book does not explain this at all.

Is anybody here aware of the basis for these claims?

Yellow Doc
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no, and we often wonder these things too, in fact Dr. D. has indicated that he would like to put out more info on that subject, but that he is bogged down at this time, hoping to get to it soon....
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Hi Yellow Doc, what a great name!

Dr. D will have a TypeBase with that information on this site eventually, yes, but in the meantime many of us are trying to be patient.

Dr. D did answer one question for me regarding why coconut oil is a Superfood for Teachers and a Toxin for Explorers:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1202212910/s-0/



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Yellow Doc, I am not much of a computer person, but if Lola happens along, or one of the other senior folks, they can list links here for Dr. D's research info, etc. Read his blogs, etc., on this site, and try looking in the genotypediet.com website. Dr. D is big on the science, so I know it's out there somewhere and someone more computer-savvy can dig it up for you or He Himself may happen by and post some links.
His Blood Type Diet saved my life, so I trust him and am usually willing to experiment on myself with his nutritional ideas.
Cheers!


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FOOD for THOUGHT, Super Beneficial 4 All Blood Types!
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Yellow Doc
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Thanks for the replies!

OSuzanna - I did take a look through the website and the blogs and found tons of info and studies supporting the GenoTypes themselves, but wasn't able to locate anything which specified how specific foods were tested.

I have heard many accounts similar to your own from other colleagues who have used the Blood Type Diet with their patients, so I know there is definitely something to it!

However, there were a couple things about the Blood Type Diet which didn't sit quite right with me.  One was the claim that eating tomatoes is harmful to all blood types.  Most of the research that I've seen suggest great health benefits for many of the constituents found in tomatoes, especially lycopene.  Also, I haven't seen any research which suggests that populations with higher consumption of tomatoes have a higher prevalence of disease.

Also, as a Type A, I tried out a vegetarian diet for a time, and did quite poorly with it.

At any rate, I was very excited about the new book, and I think there are some major advances presented over the Blood Type Diet.  However, again, when it comes to specific food choices, I became a little leery when I read, for example, that kidney beans and cashews are "toxic" to all six GenoTypes.

Call me a stickler, but I want to know what, specifically, about these foods make them beneficial or harmful for the different types.  It's not my intent to be antagonistic, however I am not content to simply hand my patients lists of foods to eat and not eat, I want to understand this from a biochemical standpoint before I use this system professionally.

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Yellow Doc,
Welcome!

Click on 'Member Center' at the top of this page, then on 'Avatar Settings' on the left, to select an avatar, to share your blood type with us.

Add information below your avatar setting, in the 'Profile Information' section, typing in the 'Personal Message box': (Rh+/-, secretor status; subtype A1 or A2, MN blood typing information)

Create a Signature that will appear at the bottom of every message you post.

Indicate your gender, age, and location in the 'Personal Information' section.

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=ref
read the threads in the Reference Section.


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tomatoes are ok for some BTs......it is not necessary for you to generalize  
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?425

also lycopene is present in other foods as well
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/archive-032004.html

try this wonderful search tool to find answers to your questions
http://www.dadamo.com/search.htm

have you seen all the videos on utube
on BTD science for one and those on GTs as well as the interviews?
Podcast 1/ Wilton Lectures, Chapter 1
http://www.dadamo.com/wordpress/?p=84
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7fUxOS94Fs
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CQyP7tkXTg
Part 3
http://www.dadamo.com/wordpress/?p=87
part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ZHUu-cLYA
Part 5 filmed lecture by Dr. D'Adamo at the Wilton Public
Library (Wilton CT) discussing diet books, blood types,
epigenetics and why he decided to write The GenoType Diet.
http://www.dadamo.com/wordpress/?p=90


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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Hi, Yellow Doc! Glad you are openminded about this diet! But....Are you sure that kidney beans and cashews are toxic for all types? I'll double check, but could it be that they can be added back in for some types after an initial period?
Also on the blood type diet, tomatoes were not considered harmful for all types....have to look it up to see which ones.....
Also a type A may be a nonsecretor, in which case they would need animal protein, which could have been your situation, as you don;t state your secretor status...(which you may not have had tested yet)....also some secreting A's need a bit of animal protein too.....keep asking questions!
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...the claim that eating tomatoes is harmful to all blood types.  Most of the research that I've seen suggest great health benefits for many of the constituents found in tomatoes, especially lycopene.  Also, I haven't seen any research which suggests that populations with higher consumption of tomatoes have a higher prevalence of disease.

I have never heard of a claim like this about tomatoes for all blood types. They are only to be avoided by those A's and B's who are secretors and are super-beneficial for AB non-secretors and neutral for everyone else. You can see their status here...

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?425

Also, watermelon has a higher lycopene content than fresh tomatoes.



I'm onto you, 'euphoria'

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Here s a quote from Dr D'Adamo answering a similar question on the boards.......for me, it s a keeper!! enjoy!  
only this was way before GTD came along.....but his answer might in fact be similar, and GTD is his creation from years of treating his patients, observation, creating an enourmous data base, and years of genetic study, and comparing results through his SWAMI program, which is now being tweaked with the GT data.....
Quoted Text
I applaud your interest in BTD, I just
think that perhaps you don't understand how
involved it is and what the learning curve
(and expenses) are.

I'll take a little time and help you get
started. Let's go!



1. Read every scientific article on ABO blood groups published since 1900.

Not a joke. Before you start dabbling away, you better know what you are
talking about. Pay special attention to studies which describe physiological
and genetic  relationships. This of implies that you must have the requisite
training in immunology, hematology, biochemisty, genetics and pathophysiology.


2. Understand the cellular dynamics of ABO sufficient to develop appropriate
technique.

Understand the molecular biology and elemental cytology behind ABH secretion,
gut glycosylation and membrane dynamics. Understand the mechanics of cell
membrane manipulation techniques, such as  basic cell washing techniques, DTT
de-antigenation and membrane electrical zeta potential. Understand and
execute capably various direct and indirect antiglobulin techniques (Coombs
testing).  Possess  basic cytology/histology apparatus (incubators, cell
culture materials) to propagate organ-specific cell lines.

3. Capably and reliably execute various ABO related serological techniques.


Understand and perform capably saline titration of anti A, anti-B and anti-AB
IgM antibodies with serum titer determination. Comprehend and perform
capably anti-A and anti-B IgG1-4 block (ala Kabat and Weiner) titration.

4. Develop proper extraction technique for lectins and other biologically
active food constituents.

Have access to an research grade electrophoresis device and understand
capably the techniques of gel immunoelectrophoresis and immuno-diffusion.
Possess a full range of cell growth adjuvants that allow in vitro lectins to
behave as in biological conditions.  Perform and understand various techniques
of lymphocyte blastogenesis and mitogen studies.  Undertand lectin
specificities and competitive inhibition techniques involving blocking sugars.





Now, on top of eveything else, do this for a minimum of five years.  Shorter
than that and I'm probably not going to believe your results.

Now,  you might think I an being facetious, but this is reality. If you want
to drop foods on slides of your blood, that's fine. But there is 100% chance
that any reaction you observe is simply the changes that blood undergoes once
it is out of the body.

On the old board we had a bright girl, who was convinced that she could figure
out her husband's needs better than the book. Oh, she dropped all sorts of
stuff on his blood, and analysed it with a toy microscope and announced with
great solemnity that he did not react to wheat, but reacted to spelt, etc.,
and how mad he was at me for complicating his life.

Of course, in reality, wheat lectin is not a powerful enough lectin with which
to observe any agglutination; you need more sophisticated technology. She was
just observing clots and whatever other artifacts that had developed.


let me know if you need for me to fish out more!! lol

oh and before I forget!  tomatoes are a diamond food for us gatherers!!


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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Quoted Text
Also, as a Type A, I tried out a vegetarian diet for a time, and did quite poorly with it.


have you done the measurements yet?
what is your GT?
do you know your secretor type?

and subtype?  A1 or A2?
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=GenoTypeDiet
all the GT measurement videos


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
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Even under BTD, type As are not pure vegetarians. They are suppossed to eat certain fish & turkey. They are just closer to being vegetarians than the other types.
The most frustrating is an O who insists on being a vegetarian!

Welcome aboard. We love to have professionals who want to use BTD/GTD to help their patients.

Sea Salt & Light,
Mrs "T"    O+


Interested in nutrition, lactation, religion, politics; love to be around people; talkative, sensitive, goofy; a "fishy Christian" ><>; left-handed; lived on a farm, small town & big city; love BTD/GTD; A staunch La Leche League veteran; b. 10/1947 Check BTD/GTD on facebook!
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Yellow Doc,

I understand your need to understand the specifics of the diet but I think you (and all the BTD converts) need to understand that this book is not a medical text. It is for anyone, BTDer or no, layman or medical professional to use as a guide for following this diet. It is easy for magazines to take one or even ten "nutritious" foods and explain in a two-page article what exact effect each has. But even those articles only pinpoint particular nutrients those foods contain that are beneficial. As someone else mentioned, lycopene may be beneficial but that's not the only thing tomatoes contain and those other things may not be beneficial for everyone; therefore, it is important to consider other sources of said nutrient.

Not to sound like a broken record because I've said this in a lot of posts but I've been told all my life that whole grains, like wheat, are best for me. Wrong, wrong, wrong. The only thing wheat does for me is make me uncomfortably bloated and irregular. And from all the commercials I see nowadays for products with active cultures added to help regularity, I suspect I'm not alone. I'm also starting to see the signs of gluten-intolerance and the effects it's had on my health.

This book is addressing hundreds of foods for six different genotypes. To go into the detail you're looking for would overwhelm the average reader (i.e., me) and turn them off of the diet immediately. I understand that you want the information to be explicit so you can confidently recommend it to your patients but for me, I think Dr. D's reputation and the success stories from BTD and already from GTD are good enough for now. Hopefully, though, some of the links other posters provided will help you.


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Hi Doc,

Nice to see you stopping by..



Here is a basic flowchart of the food selection and physiologic quantifiers that were used in the GTD food selection algorithms. Most of the software was/is of my own construction.

http://www.dadamo.com/GenoType/7GTDflowchart.jpg

Eventually I'll write a program that breaks it all down by food and physiological process.



Here are the parameters capable of being evaluated as per each food included:

DAD_No
Name
Long_Desc
Categ-Alph
Categ-Name
NDB_No
A_Beneficial
A_NS_Beneficial
B_Beneficial
B_NS_Beneficial
AB_Beneficial
AB-NS_Beneficial
O_Beneficial
O_NS_Beneficial
A_Neutral
A_NS_Neutral
B_Neutral
B-NS_Neutral
AB_Neutral
AB_NS_Neutral
O_Neutral
O-NS_Neutral
A_Avoid
A_NS_Avoid
B_Avoid
B-NS_Avoid
AB_Avoid
AB_NS_Avoid
O_Avoid
O-NS_Avoid
A_Unknown
A_NS_Unknown
B_Unknown
B-NS_Unknown
AB_Unknown
AB_NS_Unknown
O_Unknown
Lectin
N3_N6_good
N3_N6_bad
Lignans
Phytoestrogen
Glucosinolates
Creatine
Squalene
Sterols
Glycemic_Low
Glycemic_Moderate
Glycemic_High
Lectin_Bad
Non_protein_nitrogen
Phytate
Chitinase
Overgrowth_Good
Overgrowth_Bad
Gluten
Allergen
Polyamine
Irradiated
Mold
Bacteria_Contaminated
Pesticide_High
Pesticide_Low
Genetically_Modified
Elimination_Foods
RNA
Purine_High
Antioxidant
Alkaline_Ash
O-NS_Unknown
Total_Of_Nutr_Val
Protein
Total_Lipid
Carbohydrate_By_Difference
Ash
Energy
Starch
Sucrose
Glucose
Fructose
Lactose
Maltose
Alcohol
Water
Adjusted_Protein
Caffeine
Theobromine
Energy_2
Total_Sugars
Galactose
Fiber_total_dietary
Calcium
Flouride
Iron
Magnesium
Phosphorus
Potassium
Sodium
Zinc
Copper
Manganese
Selenium
Vitamin
Retinol
Vitamin_A
Carotene_beta
Carotene_alpha
Vitamin_E_alpha_tocopherol
Vitamin_D
Cryptoxanthin__beta
Lycopene
Lutein_and__zeaxanthin
Tocopherol_beta
Tocopherol_gamma
Tocopherol_delta
Vitamin_C_total_ascorbic_acid
Thiamin
Riboflavin
Niacin
Pantothenic_acid
Vitamin_B6
Folate_total
Vitamin_B12
Choline_total
Total_Choline
Free_Choline
Choline_from_phosphocholine
Choline_from_phosphatidylcholine
Choline_from_glycerophoshocholine
Betaine_2
Choline_from_sphingomyelin
Vitamin_K_phylloquinone
Folic_acid
Folate_food
Folate__DFE
Betaine
Tryptophan
Threonine
Isoleucine
Leucine
Lysine
Methionine
Cystine
Phenylalanine
Tyrosine
Valine
Arginine
Histidine
Alanine
Aspartic_acid
Glutamic_acid
Glycine
Proline
Serine
Hydroxyproline
Cholesterol
Fatty_acids_total_trans
Fatty_acids_total_saturated
Butyric
Caproic
Caprylic
Capric
Lauric
Myristic
Palmitic
Stearic
Eicosanoic
Oleic
Linoleic
Linolenic
Docosahexanoic_DHA
Behenic
Myrostoleic
Palmitoleic
Eicosenoic
Eicosapentanoic_EPA
Erucic
Docosapentanoic_DPA
Phytosterols
Stigmasterol
Campesterol
Beta_sitosterol
Fatty_acidS_total_monounsaturated
Fatty_acids_total_polyunsaturated
Magaric
Lignoceric
Nervonic
Gamma_Linolenic
Heptadecenoic
Fatty_acids_total_trans_monoenoic
Fatty_acids_total_trans_polyenoic
Alpha_Linolenic
Cyanidin
Delphinidin
Malvidin
Pelargonidin
Peonidin
Petunidin
plus_Catechin
neg_Epigallocatechin
neg_Epicatechin_3prime_gallate
Theaflavin
Thearubigins
Hesperetin
Naringenin
Apigenin
Luteolin
Myricetin
Theaflavin_3_gallate
plus_Catechin_3_gallate
Daidzein
Genistein
Glycetein
Total_Isoflavone
Proanthocyanidin_trimers
Proanthocyanidin_7_to_10mers
Amount
Msre_Desc
Gm_Wgt
Oxalic_Acid
Nitrilosides
Malvin
Tyramine
Rutin
Nicotine
Coumarin
Salycylic_acid
Gallic_acid
Dioxin
Mercury
PCB
Eco-Unfriendly
One_carbon_metabolite
HDAC1_Inhibitor
HDAC2_Inhibitor
ODC_Inhbitor
DNA_Methyltransferase_inhibitor
11_hydroxy_steroid_receptor
Blocks_Schwarzmann


These were the physiologic parameters of interest. Almost all clients (n=980+) have extensive serological typing, all biometrics, dermatoglyphics, bioimpedance and breath hydrogen readings. Ancestral DNA (mtDNA and Y chromosome) and SNPs are capable of being evaluated by the software, but most patients do not possess this information.


Height (inches):
Weight (pounds):
Height (meters):
Weight  (kilos):
Client Ethnicity:
Client Year of Birth:
Client Gender:
Activity Multiplier:
Myers-Briggs Type Indicator:
ABO Blood Group:
A1/ A2 Sub Type:
Rh Blood Group (all CDE/cde haplotypes)
Secretor Status:
Lewis Blood Group:
Duffy (FY) Blood Group:
MN Blood Group:
PROP Taster:
Client is caffeine sensitive:
Client is lactose intolerant:
Y Chromosome DNA Haplogroups:
Mitochondrial DNA Haplogroups:
Tumor Necrosis Factor Alpha (TNF-a)
Interleukin 6 (Il-6)
Glutathione S-Transferase P1 (GSTP-1)
Vitamin D Receptor (VDR)
Methylenetetrahydrofolate Reductase (MTHFR)
Copper
Glutathione S-Transferase M1
Glutathione S-Transferase T1
Peroxisome Proliferators Activated Receptor (PPAR)
Collagen Type 1 (COL1A1)
Angiotensin Converting Enzyme (ACE)
Endothelial Nitric Oxide Synthase (eNOS)
Lipoprotein Lipase (LPL)
Cholesteryl Ester Transfer Protein (CETP)
Apolipoprotein C-III (APOC3)
Manganese Superoxide Dismutase (MnSOD)
Cystathione Beta Synthase (CBS)
Methionine Synthase (MTR)
Methionine Synthase Reductase (MS-MTRR)
Hx of cancer or neoplasia:
Hx of heart or artery disease:
Hx of bowel or digestive disease:
Hx of urinary or renal disease:
Hx of skin disease or atopia:
Hx of allergy or autoimmunity:
Hx of chronic fatigue:
Hx of low grade infection:
Hx of depression:
Hx of liver disease:
Hx of thyroid disease:
Hx of diabetes:
Hx of arthritis/ joint disease:
Hx of environmental sensitivities:
Hx of heavy menses/ menorrhagia:
Hx of premenstrual syndrome:
Client in peri-menopause/ menopause:
Hx of prostatic enlargement:
Hx of erectile dysfunction :
Fhx of cancer or neoplasia:
Fhx of arthritis/ joint disease:
Fhx of allergy or autoimmunity:
Fhx of dementia:
Fhx of depression or mental illness:
Fhx of diabetes:
Fhx of hypertension:
Fhx of heart disease:
Fhx of thyroid/ endocrine disease:
Fhx of kidney disease :
Anemia and/ or low ferritin:
Elevated C-Reactive Protein (CRP):
Low platelet count:
High platelet count:
Low white blood count:
Elevated liver enzymes:
Elevated glucose or HgbA1C:
High creatinine or BUN:
High sed rate or Oxystress :
Elevated cholesterol or LDL:
Low HDL or high homocysteine:
Water compartments:
Bioimpedance analysis:
Breath hydrogen:
Handedness:
Waist measurement:
Hip measurement:
Cranial measurements
Cranial measurements
Carabelli's cusp:
Incisor shoveling:
Gonial angle:
Upper leg space:
Somatotype:
Trunk to leg ratio:
Wrist tendon visibility:
Upper to lower leg ratio:
Wrist encirclement:
White Lines
Sydney Line
Left Hand D2/ D4 Ratio:
Left Hand D2/ D4 Ratio:
ATD Angle:
AB Ridge Count:
Left Thumb (D1) Ridge Pattern:
Left Index (D2) Ridge Pattern:
Left Middle (D3) Ridge Pattern:
Left Ring  (D4) Ridge Pattern:
Left Pinkie (D5) Ridge Pattern:
White Lines
Sydney Line
Right Hand D2/ D4 Ratio:
Right Hand D2/ D4 Ratio:
ATD Angle:
AB Ridge Count:
Right Thumb  (D1) Ridge Pattern:
Right Index (D2) Ridge Pattern:
Right Middle (D3) Ridge Pattern:
Right Ring (D4) Ridge Pattern:
Right Pinkie (D5) Ridge Pattern:
Therapeutic Bias:
Epigenetic Throttle:

These are linked via relational databases to a 'tabulator' which creates the super-tables out of this data and other external published frequencies and associations. This is then fed into a variety of multivariate tools that generate the Eigenvalues which identify the GenoType characterizations.


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Well Dr. D'Adamo, if that doesn't get down to the nitty gritty of individualization, not sure what does!  

Yellow Doc,

As I am sure you have read, a key feature of Explorers are their impaired detoxification processes.  Reference pages 155 and 156 and your answer will be clear.  Almonds can be a source of molds which interfere with Explorer detox.  In addition, almonds are a high source of omega 6 EFAs.  Improper ratios of omega 6 and 3 can inhibit an Explorers metabolism, as well as interfere with their immune system.  You should note, almonds are not a "toxin" but are a food recommended to be avoided only for 3 to 6 months while adjusting oneself to the diet.

A key point to emphasize here is, like his approach to medicine, Dr. D'Adamo's approach to nutrition is not "one size fits all."  I am sure you have seen this with your own patients.  

As time progresses, Dr. D'Adamo will begin to create tables of data to explain reasons behind food categorizations.  This however takes a great deal of time, as I am sure you can gather from his list of standards each food was versed against.  In the mean time, a close look at the food groups, and a through understanding of each specific genotype will probably lead you to your answers.

I hope this helps!  

Dr. C.
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Thank you all for the information and links, as well as the clarification on tomatoes!

Dr. D'Adamo, a special thanks to you for stepping in on this one.  I think it would add a great deal of value when presenting this program to my clients to be able to say that I know you have made these recommendations based on over 200 nutrient parameters and over 100 physiologic parameters.

As a clinician, I am sure you can appreciate my curiosity beyond a layman's understanding.  I will take a closer look at all of this, and add a link to your book on my blog!

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Thanks for the replies!




However, there were a couple things about the Blood Type Diet which didn't sit quite right with me.  One was the claim that eating tomatoes is harmful to all blood types.  populations with higher consumption of tomatoes have a higher prevalence of disease.


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Hi Yellow Doc,
Most of the genotypes will be able to return to the use of tomatoes after the initial acclimitization period of 3-6 months. This is what the black dot means. As far as I can see, it is only Genotype 6 (nomad) which would do best to avoid tomatoes.I'm sure that in time we will have access to all the information about the reasons for these categories (just as we have had in the Blood Type diet), but I guess that Dr Dadamo wanted us to get on with it as quickly as possible rather than delaying publication and dissemination of this new research until all the details could be made available. Through our contact with him during the years of BTD many of us have developed a strong trust in his goodwill and knowledge, and are prepared to accept this delay with patience.
However, as a professional I do understand that you must be sure before you set your clients on this path,so maybe the first step would be to use yourself as a guinea pig with your own genotype? Wishing you well...you may care to join the http://www.genotypediet.com board and share your experiences with others within your genotype?
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Yay, Dr. D and Lola both chimed in!


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great Dr D chimed in!
gave me more facts to add to my notes.....


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Hi Yellow Doc, and welcome to the forum.
I think that it is fantastic that you have come here and asked this very important question. As others have mentioned, many of us are also interested in the science/reasoning behind why a food is good for one type and bad for another. I think especially as some values have changed with the addition of studying the effect on 30,000 (I think that is roughly the number)genes rather than just the blood type gene. The BTD food values list is a great source of information for explaining why foods may be good for one blood type and bad for another, so we all patiently wait in eager anticipation of a similar list for GTD. And at the moment, whilst we are not qualified to interpret the data, it is great to know that so many factors were considered during the testing process (thanks for chiming in Dr. D)

If I were given a recommendation for a diet by my Naturopath I would want the reassurance that they had looked into the science behind it and not just recommended it on anecdotal evidence. My own ND recommended the BTD to me (pre GTD publication) although it had previously been recommended to me by a friend. I tried the diet for myself after reading ER4YT and guessing my blood type (now confirmed correct)based on how I knew I reacted to foods listed as avoids for type A's. I think ND's and MD's have an obligation to understand and believe in any diet they advocate, as most are more likely to take their advice how ever ill-informed it may be.


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The bioinformatics part of this whole thing is just about as exciting as the epigenetics (and even maybe more beautiful?)


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As long as my stomach doesn't hurt this whole thing is beautiful to me!
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However, there were a couple things about the Blood Type Diet which didn't sit quite right with me . . .
Also, as a Type A, I tried out a vegetarian diet for a time, and did quite poorly with it.



I'm a type A too.  I never tried the vegetarian thing though.  Eat salmon, turkey, tuna, chicken and other fish.  I found eating as a non-secretor allows more protein from meat sources and I felt so much better.


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Yellow Doc, you've got a great website.  Lots of great and interesting information!


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I was impressed when I read Dr. D'Adamo's list of parameters.  Then I noticed it is based on 980 clients.  Is that all?  Is that enough?

For presidential polls - which are not as important to me as my health -
Rasmussen polls 1,600 likely voters
Gallup polls 2,191 likely voters
Zogby polls 7,468 likely voters

The polls admit margins of error.  What would the margin of error be for the geneotype diet in a sample this small?
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Statistics are different for polling prediction versus clinical medicine outcomes. Ornish 'proved' his diet in 1983 with a total of 46 people; 23 of whom were not actually on it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu.....anel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


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The polls admit margins of error.  What would the margin of error be for the geneotype diet in a sample this small?


You are correct that there is always a statistical margin of error when dealing with sample populations. The amount of potential error is determined both by sample size and also by the inherent variation (standard deviation) of the expected results. In english, this means smaller samples can be much more accurate than larger samples if the underlying thing being sampled is more consistent.

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Also a type A may be a nonsecretor, in which case they would need animal protein, which could have been your situation, as you don;t state your secretor status...(which you may not have had tested yet)....also some secreting A's need a bit of animal protein too.....keep asking questions!


I think I do best on mostly vegetarian with occasional animal protein like fish. I do terrible on an O type diet, like Atkins.. I get very acidic, with horrible reflux. Dairy is a bad culprit for acid reflux with me too.  I've tried like every diet out there, Low carb, High carb, Nutrasystem, shakes,
etc. I have been keeping a journal and looking it over, my weight and health was most stable when I was pretty close to my blood type eating. So, now I'm back and pretty sure I'm a Warrior, except my finger measurments have me baffled. I need Dr. D. which I'll see soon.

Good luck!   I was wondering how you were eating as a vegetarian that you didn't do well?  My son's father is vegetarian his whole life and he's a B blood type. He's very healthy.
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I was impressed when I read Dr. D'Adamo's list of parameters.  Then I noticed it is based on 980 clients.  Is that all?  Is that enough?


Hi there.  I'm going to echo Dr. D'Adamo's comment here, because I get these kinds of questions all the time as well.

Scientific statistical analysis is different than a simple poll, and here's why:

In a poll, people have to choose one of a number of choices.  Therefore, the more people that take a poll, the more likely the poll is correct- ASSUMING that the people taking the poll are chosen randomly.  They frequently are not.

Participants in a scientific study are not chosen randomly.  They are screened for a specific set of characteristics before they enter the study.  However, once admitted to the study, the participants are randomized to whether or not they are in the control group.

Secondly, a scientific study is generally following an endpoint which is not discrete (as in 1 of 3 choices), but continuous.  For example, in the study cited by Dr. D'Adamo, Dr. Ornish's team found a 44% mean increase in duration of exercise, a 55% mean increase in total work performed, a 20.5% mean decrease in plasma cholesterol levels and a 91.0% mean reduction in frequency of angina.

Because these differences were so great, statistical significance was adequate even though there were only 46 participants.  If there were say, only a 10% difference in one of those values, then more participants would have been required to establish statistical significance.

I hope that clears thinks up for you.

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Well Dr. D'Adamo, if that doesn't get down to the nitty gritty of individualization, not sure what does!  

Yellow Doc,

As I am sure you have read, a key feature of Explorers are their impaired detoxification processes.  Reference pages 155 and 156 and your answer will be clear.  Almonds can be a source of molds which interfere with Explorer detox.  In addition, almonds are a high source of omega 6 EFAs.  Improper ratios of omega 6 and 3 can inhibit an Explorers metabolism, as well as interfere with their immune system.  You should note, almonds are not a "toxin" but are a food recommended to be avoided only for 3 to 6 months while adjusting oneself to the diet.

A key point to emphasize here is, like his approach to medicine, Dr. D'Adamo's approach to nutrition is not "one size fits all."  I am sure you have seen this with your own patients.  

As time progresses, Dr. D'Adamo will begin to create tables of data to explain reasons behind food categorizations.  This however takes a great deal of time, as I am sure you can gather from his list of standards each food was versed against.  In the mean time, a close look at the food groups, and a through understanding of each specific genotype will probably lead you to your answers.
I hope this helps!  

Dr. C.


I thought this interesting the idea that Almonds were not as good for us as the ration of omega-3 to Omega-6 is not good, and so being an Explorer on the GTD web site I thought I would check out this theory:

So here goes:

According to the Nutrition site we use:

Total Omega-3 fatty acids in 1 cup of almonds is 5.7
Total Omega-6 fatty acids in 1 cup of almonds is 11462

Therefore 0.05% of the Omega is Omega-3

Now I need to research Macadamia nuts!

Ok here we go:

Total Omega-3 fatty acids in 1 cup of macadamia is 276
Total Omega-6 fatty acids in 1 cup of macadamia is 1737

Therefore 15.9% of the  Omega is Omega-3

Ok Pecans:

5% of Omega is Omega-3 in Pecans!
0.3% Omega in Omega-3 in Pine Nuts

Guess for me Macadamia's win! lol

Really though why are Pine Nuts a Superfood when they according to the theory not a very good ration of Omega-3 to Omega-06!

So you are right when you said that:

In the mean time, a close look at the food groups, and a through understanding of each specific genotype will probably lead you to your answers.

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Welcome Lorrainesavvy!!

It is great to see you on the BTD site.

To help us relate to your concerns it would be helpful if you would visit the member center and set a few things.

To do this click on 'Member Center' at the top of this page (or click here, then on 'Avatar Settings' on the left, to select an avatar, to share your blood type with us. (this is shield with an A, AB, O, or B on it)

Add information below your avatar setting, in the 'Profile Information' section, typing in the 'Personal Message box': (Rh+/-, Genotype, secretor status; subtype A1 or A2, MN blood typing information)

You can also create a Signature that will appear at the bottom of every message you post.

Indicate your gender, age, and location in the 'Personal Information' section.

Again great to see you!


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Looks like the SWAMI program will provide a lot of clues to why a food is rated badly for a particular person/genotype.

Take a look at the rationales listed in this sample report (for a type O Explorer with a bunch of other characteristics that I will not list here)


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interesting....love to have it done....
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We can't take for granted how new this field of study is and how many aspects of Nutrigenetics need to be investigated further. If we want to move individualized medicine forward, we will have to become guinea pigs to an extent.

I watched the Barbara Walters special on Living to 150 the other day and I thought it was bizarre that anyone would want to be cryogenically frozen with the hope they could live practically forever in some utopian future. I'd like to point out that we need to confront the problems that could destroy out entire planet before we can even hope to get to that utopian future, and besides, this has got to be the most exciting time I could hope to live in. If you froze me now, it would be like sleeping through the 3rd Act of a Shakepeare play and waking up wondering why Romeo is in so much trouble.

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see how values can change when one migrates from the BTD values to the GTD system. Somewhere in the allowable GenoTypes for people with type A blood, there will be that old BTD avoid, however, if it is not in your new GenoType values (or if it flipped to being actually beneficial!) it is because its BTD avoid status was less relevant than the benefits it provides under your new GTD skin.


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The vegetarian question for type O's and B's is a complex one. Here's one example. My Mom is type B Explorer like I am (I have told her about the diet but she doesn't follow it). She said to me the other day, since she became vegetarian her acid problems have cleared up and she can eat oranges and berries. Doesn't this mean eat is acidic? I answered that grain-fed meat like common ground beef is certainly acidic. The cattle fed on corn develop acidosis with intestinal ulcers and are basically moribund when they are butchered. It fattens them up quick, but is terrible for their health.

I'm trying to emphasize wild and grass-fed meat in my diet. If my Mom is doing well avoiding grain-fed beef, pork, and chicken, then she has unintentionally adopted some aspects of the diet. Since we are all ultimately responsible for our own diets, sometimes just helping a loved one to make one change for the better is enough.

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My first experience with the Blood Type Diet was in the late 90's, and some time after the first forum was established I started using it. Due to computer issues and other distractions I was on again/off again, and when the format changed I found it  less useful. (I know more computer-savvy people probably liked the change, but it took me a while to get up to speed.)

However I have been doing the BT diet all these years and have recommending it to others all the time. I know many people who really got a lot out of it. I saw major changes 2 weeks into the diet, with my joints, my energy levels, my tolerance for reduced sleep, and a host of other things. As soon as the Genotype book came out I ordered it through inter-library loan, and got a copy within the month.

As an O Explorer who tried to be vegetarian both as a youngster (16-19) and during the mid 80's up through the time I discovered the diet, I wish I had known all of this then. Knowing my Genotype has just made things better. I can feel even more of a difference than before, and it really explains why I could cheat on some things in the past, but not on others.

Like Yellow Doc, I want to know it all-- everything-- all about all of it. I'm not a scientist, and don't have time to do gobs of research, but I can't wait to find out more about the whys and wherefores of the foods. As one poster commented though, some of it is common sense-- the almond/mold thing had already occurred to me, but I didn't know about the Omega 6s being high for almonds. It's these bits and pieces that are so fascinating to me.

Given my success with the BT diet I was glad to try any refinement of it-- it only makes sense that the more we know the more there is to discover. The universe goes on and on...
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The amount of information Dr.D uses is staggering. I think that's conclusive enough.
Since I've read his works I look at food in a totally different way. One persons food could well be anothers poison.


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Good luck!   I was wondering how you were eating as a vegetarian that you didn't do well?
It may be difficult to get enough protein without soy if you are active sort of person. That is, if you don't fare well with soy. When every available kind of protein pack loads of carbs as well like say peanuts your diet turns very easily into carb overload, particularly if you have sweet tooth like I do. I felt a bit drunk really most of the time. Well, I guess for me even the non-sec type A diet wasn't strict enough as far as vegetable protein is concerned. I seem to need some guide lines to do something as simple as obtaining nutrition



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The bioinformatics part of this whole thing is just about as exciting as the epigenetics (and even maybe more beautiful?)


You know you've got a problem when you start thinking that bioinformatics are beautiful. Only Dr D could be so audacious.  

You've really got to get out more Doc.  


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working like a health practioner, so I use the *Vegatester*(bioresonance) to look for foodintolerances etc....Dr. D. was nearly 98% right in his recommendations of lr4yt .....then explorers appeared and now it's clear why they don't have big reactions  even as being B Rh - and eating chicken... ....I remarked only AB's and B nomads do heavily react with chicken.

What is amazing to detect, after a certain while of not eating a certain food....(1-3 months or more) often people are able to tolerate those foods again.....when they reintroduce them to their diets.
So here might be the causa..... but what is the real issue
beyond this fact.....as Ribbit wrote, she wasn't anymore able to digest wheat propperly and now no problem.... .....
but I wouldn't recommend to any O nor AB to consume wheat again....


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I have a question.

It is plainly obvious based on the number of parameters Dr D laid out earlier in this thread that it will take a looooooong time to put together the facts and figures for the genotype food database.

So my question is, how can we help?

Is there any way for us to assist the Doc in this task, such as doing the "gopher" work on this monumental job. Obviously as lay people the medical/technical aspects would be too important to entrust to us but surely there's something we can do (like the repetitive work) that can help the poor guy. I mean, does he ever sleep?  


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the best way to help Dr D is by following the guidelines as closely as possible and reporting results......that to me is the best feedback we can give, like the patients who visit his clinic.


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I had a similar question about celery.  In the BTD listing on the website for celery it is marked as beneficial or neutral for ALL blood types, so it's not bad for anyone. But in the GTD book for Teacher type it is an avoid food.  That confused me, because if it was universally good or ok for everyone, then why did it become an avoid food for Teacher.  I happen to like celery a lot and eat a vegetarian diet that uses it quite a bit and up until I read the GTD book thought I was not doing my body any harm by eating celery, since it is beneficial for Type A
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welcome!

there s too many variables Dr D takes into consideration when typing foods...glad you are now here and can read all about the differences and criteria used in the process.


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One more question, (although I never really got an answer for what compound in celery make is an avoid food for Teacher).  In the BTD diet there were guidelines for different racial background.  I am middle eastern and food listing to me look more like a western diet. If the GTD is based on our ancestral genetics as well as fetal conditions, then would it make sense that you should eat food from the region your ancestors come from? There are plants, fruits, veg in the middle east indigenous to that region that grow no where else. My traditional foods use those. Naturopathic prescriptions (Unani or Ayurvedic medicine which both have their roots in traditional persian medicine) include these plants and foods.  For example Salmon, is not a fish you see in the middleast.  We have a number of other fishes, so can I conclude that the food listing in the GTD are really meant for a westerner?
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One more question, (although I never really got an answer for what compound in celery make is an avoid food for Teacher).  In the BTD diet there were guidelines for different racial background.  I am middle eastern and food listing to me look more like a western diet. If the GTD is based on our ancestral genetics as well as fetal conditions, then would it make sense that you should eat food from the region your ancestors come from? There are plants, fruits, veg in the middle east indigenous to that region that grow no where else. My traditional foods use those. Naturopathic prescriptions (Unani or Ayurvedic medicine which both have their roots in traditional persian medicine) include these plants and foods.  For example Salmon, is not a fish you see in the middleast.  We have a number of other fishes, so can I conclude that the food listing in the GTD are really meant for a westerner?

First, Dr. D. hasn't published specific rating information for most foods...  He is busy seeing patients, reading new research and working on further research, development, and refinement of the SWAMI to help more people.

Second, I assume he either uses foods that are available to him or foods that have been included in other peoples pertinent studies...  If the foods (fish specifically) that you are talking about haven't been studied and/or he doesn't know about them, you can't really expect him to include them in the book.  I know he does utilize some information from Ayurvedic medicine in his recommendations, but that doesn't mean he is familiar with all of the various foods that are only available in that region of the world.


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One more question, (although I never really got an answer for what compound in celery make is an avoid food for Teacher).  In the BTD diet there were guidelines for different racial background.  I am middle eastern and food listing to me look more like a western diet. If the GTD is based on our ancestral genetics as well as fetal conditions, then would it make sense that you should eat food from the region your ancestors come from? There are plants, fruits, veg in the middle east indigenous to that region that grow no where else. My traditional foods use those. Naturopathic prescriptions (Unani or Ayurvedic medicine which both have their roots in traditional persian medicine) include these plants and foods.  For example Salmon, is not a fish you see in the middleast.  We have a number of other fishes, so can I conclude that the food listing in the GTD are really meant for a westerner?


While ancestoral genetics are not directly used as input into the calculators for the GenoType, ethnic heritage is considered in determining SWAMI diets, along with DNA haplogroups.

Ayurveda ratings of foods can be used as a factor in determining diet in the GenoType edition of SWAMI.

Often times with fish one has to determine the scientific name of a fish and then figure out for that scientific fish name, what the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) would call a fish.

Data from the USDA was used in developing the food lists.

The fish names have to be adapted even in English speaking Western countries, because fish names are not consistent.

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The USDA was not the only source of data for the food lists, and many of the foods listed are not easy to get in the United States.

You will find that with some translation of names many of the foods are included.

You may have to look at other GenoTypes to determine the complete list of tested foods.


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I live in the US, but there are a number of food products that I eat that are not liste. I generally try a small quantity of these foods, and if I do not have adverse reactions after eating a food, I assume it is neutral.

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I am not expecting a new book with updated lists in the immediate future.

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I think it is more likely that the foods listed in SWAMI will be expanded.

More information on SWAMI is here:

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED070







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if interested in GTD and so into your particular genetic individuality why not get a swami?
tweak it to your hearts content and find out all you want about what is behind every single food listed for your particular physiology!

it can t get anywhere more personal than that!!


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If the Doctor would like some science then he is welcome to my research regarding my daughter (under 4) and the horrible manual tests that we did, getting it wrong meant that she was in pain for days and her face and other parts would become broken and scarred, I was a couple of months in to testing which foods affected her when I found the book, (a month ago) most things added up and confirmed his theory, and we looked at a lot of different theories, we even mapped all the data and overlaid it, it eventually would show that most theorys worked to a point but then failed, Dr  DAdamos rested very well with them all in parts - When we checked the updated book data, we found that nearly all the bits that didn't fit before,  now fitted - Leeks was one of them. but there were many more.... Its almost annoying that he got the theory before me (albeit i was 15 years late) lol but Im glad he did because my daughter is now cured (took a few weeks), after years of looking for an answer. And the less pain she feels the happier I am.


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That's nice to hear 'policy'...


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You're welcome Dr, seriously!

Incidentally, on a lighter note - If your ever in the UK, let me know.

Also if you ever find a reason to get me back on to White Potatoes, tell me first - I'm still trying to find a way of enjoying sweet Potatoes as some sort of chip ( French Fry), or a way of Roasting them so they don't go mushy - Minor details I know, but there you go.

"There no pleasing some people" - Monty Python Life of Brian

When I finish fine tuning Emily's Diet, which we will take our time with, (Waiting for Secretor test kits). now that she's so much better. I shall concentrate on the recipes as my girlfriend is a super chef! I wonder how a "Blood Type Restaurant" would go down? Vampire's might get the wrong idea and, of course, cross contamination might be an issue.

Thanks again and kind regards John


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John fyi
potatoes are but a tier II avoid, meaning if you re in good health and shape
you might enjoy them occasionally, if following the basic secretor lists in the LRFYT book!!

sweet potato chips are excellent! the thinner you slice them the better if you don t like them mushy......I don t mind them mushy though

Is your daughter an O like you?


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Hi Lola, yes My daughter is an O were are waiting for the blood test and saliva test to find out if were are secretor or not. Only read one book so far but taken the contents and thoroughly studied it all, waiting for next book (in the post together with secretor test kits)

We are pretty healthy, but rapidly getting healthier. When we sort out all the issues we can hopefully have a portion of French fry's once a month or something like that - in olive oil by the look of things (Smile)

My mission today is to find the culprit that caused my daughter face to flare up a bit today, we must have missed something so checking packaging of organic, gluten free oats and rice puffs its one of them or possible are joint reaction to something she had in the last few days we had relaxed ever so slightly just to give her a break after all these months of testing. But back on track now for 6 weeks to get her system cleared of the rubbish. It not even so much worry now that we can pretty well control everything it just that her face takes a few days to clear up as were are not putting any drugs into her at all cortisone etc just Vaseline. All the other creams and lotions that we used to use have way too many chemical in them all of which I have now studied and i wouldnt give them to someone I didnt like let alone my daughter. The pharma companies must have a screw loose or something or are being run by some twit that got no attention at home when they were young so decided to screw with everyones skin. Lol

We also discovered that her so called hand caught salmon had a food colour on it that annoyed her face a bit so still have to do a bit of trial and error.

Kind regards John


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PP, Canned Salmon as odd as this sounds is all wild caught. You can buy it on-line or in the market.

Any fish that has been previously frozen, or farm raised can cause problems in the GI tract.


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you might want to get the allergies book from the health series for your daughter to follow......protocols and all taking her age and weight into account.....
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED062H


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Hello John.

It is not surprising that the more specific of Dr. D' Adamo's diet are giving your daughter better results.  There is a limit to how specific the diet can get for her, since some of her epigenetic information will only be evident when she has attained her adult size.  My children (10 and 7) are displaying their epigenetics rather obviously and early.  Still, I only have them loosely adhering to the basic ER4YT - A diet.  The results have been weight loss for him and weight gain for her, and surprisingly little resistance for good measure.

That you have triumphed over some of your daughter's difficulties is gratifying.  I have received considerable help with my own challenges and have been able to build on past victories.

There are a number of people on this board, who have been very exacting with regard to their diets, because they need to be.

Thank you for your posts!


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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Bought the allergies book - very helpful another piece in the jigsaw.

She even had grapefruit this morning for the first time in 3 months - loved it and no reaction.

Although the Sun seems to be an issue again! What's that all about. Think Ill start a new thread about that one.


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I saw firsthand how effective the gatherer genotype diet worked for my fiance'.  She is a gatherer O+ and struggles constantly to keep weight under control.  We are going to the gym a lot more to exercise and by eating the right things for the gatherer, she lost abou 20 pounds.  She was shocked and explained that she never felt hungry while on the diet.

I am an explorer and have benefited in a different way.  I learned that herbs such as ginseng, ginkgo, and st. john's wort were not good for me at all.  I had anxiety and a lot of nervous energy from each of these herbs.  I learned that some things i liked, such as orange juice, were not good either.  I take milk thistle now, and try to limit caffeine and alcohol, where i did not before.  I feel much better.
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those are two very encouraging testimonials!
thanks for sharing, and keep up the wellness!


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The bioinformatics part of this whole thing is just about as exciting as the epigenetics (and even maybe more beautiful?)


I'll leave that for you to figure out.   I will stick with the layman's stuff.   This Nomad can never return to eating tomatoes. Not 3 months... not 6 months...not ever. I would never have figured this out on my own.
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Have I missed it somewhere or is there still no typebase food data type area we can look up foods for the GTD?  Maybe Dr D could add the Superfood/Fuel only/Sometimes/Avoid list to the foods already listed in the BTD food database.  
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No list of GenoType foods are currently available on this site.

To my knowledge there is not any plan to include the lists on the site.

The GenoType lists are copyrighted.

Those that would like the list are encouraged to purchase the GenoType Diet book.  


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Those that would like the list are encouraged to purchase the GenoType Diet book.  

Or the paperback version - "Change Your Genetic Destiny"...


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Those that would like the list are encouraged to purchase the GenoType Diet book.  



Or, use Swami.  
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I have the book of the Genotype diet and he says he has tested many foods and to go to the website.  Maybe I've misinterpreted but I took that to mean there was a database we could use.  It would certainly be very useful as one who has been used to the BTD and the resources available.  It's hard to know whether the foods missing are actually missing because they are just fuel or whether they are not tested yet.  If you are not based in the US there are usually foods missing or those that are called different names elsewhere.
anyway you have answered my question
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...If you are not based in the US there are usually foods missing or those that are called different names elsewhere.
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If you check the main forum page, you will find there two Sticky threads that a group of us created sometime last year for that same reason (different names in our southern hemisphere) ... 'Research on Food choices for All' and the 'Summary for Research on Food choices for all'  or something on those lines ... check it out ... it gets easier after a while ...  





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SWAMI seems to have many more foods than in the book. I think there are over 225 qualities that he considered in the programming logic for each food.

I think genotypediet.com used to be a paid subscription site, maybe there were food lists there at one point?


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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Quoted from Cristina


If you check the main forum page, you will find there two Sticky threads that a group of us created sometime last year for that same reason (different names in our southern hemisphere) ... 'Research on Food choices for All' and the 'Summary for Research on Food choices for all'  or something on those lines ... check it out ... it gets easier after a while ...  



hello again
would you have a link to either of these, I have done a search on all and part of the phrase and looked at every sticky and can't see anything that looks like it
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thank you, I didn't think to look in there!
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Yellow Doc I want point a few things out. One of my favorite things ever is rewording information. It is too easy to get wrapped up in too much information that is unrewarding in your pursuit to understand all of Dr. D's work. That goes to the point that even he himself can be found attempting different responses that are all useful to the current subject at hand.

Thinks of the GenoType diet not just as a treatment of 6 GenoTypes, but as treating the intestines. Dr. D has talked about this before... A lot of current research shows happy intestines equals health. Well Dr. D has certainly noticed that there are an awful lot of variances on the affects of food on intestines. Let me point out a few things.

-It may be more beneficial to eat a cheese that promotes a healthy environment in the intestines, than to avoid it because on a minor scale it does not play nice with your body - say blood antigen. The worth of it will promote more healing than the harm from it can incur, or it will keep balance in favor more than you will lose.

-Just because something has a vitamin in it does not mean it is healthy for everyone. Lamb is very rich in nutrients but for someone with low IAP (intestinal alkaline phosphate) due to being neutralized by the A antigen it is a burden. Say you eat it and you are a secreter Teacher or Warrior, your body will overwork trying to digest it, you will lack that nutrients, promote a bad environment with lack of digestion, and potentially be introducing saturated fat into your system. To which the same concerns may be had for other things that promote a poor environment due to the interaction they have in the intestines but have properties of nutrients that the "health" community may rave about.

-The uniqueness of Explorers. They often lack seceretrhood. In other words they lack a barrier that protects themselves from the outside world. As Dr. D has mentioned they (nonnies) often let foreign invaders in and then attack. They may not have a choice on that, being nonnies. In this unique situation it is easy to realize nursing the functions that keep the body detoxed from all of the things coming in would be smart jut as keeping out the high level of toxins that perhaps are easily processes by others.

* The sourcing of information is too extensive to have an open book on. The language is difficult and all too often there are ten answers for the same question.

There is a not of siting of information, and it is not that hard to turn up. People say Dr. D's theories are not backed by science that that is a poor play on words from someone avoiding logical deduction that would soon prove they themselves are at a loss for words. For example recommending protein sources based on IAP is one of the biggest components to all of this. Someone questioning Dr. D's recommendations may be able to say that there is no science behind the recommendations but if they had to recommend something there would be no options beyond the simple scope already present. - If they said red meat for less IAP they would insinuating that all medical knowledge that is considered hard backed science is wrong since it knows that you need it for digestion of particular things like saturated fats. The part not backed by science is that soy or fish would be the best recommendation, but aside from that nuts are the only other things that do not require as substantial amount of IAP. Logical deduction would prove Dr. D has found the only answer but there is no clinical study showing it. The study is really unnecessary in large part because there is no other possibilities but none the less language allows the current claim of "no science basis".

That does not even begin to cover the interaction of nutrients once inside the body, talk about dense information.

By the way,

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16412386
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Yellow Doc,
I was actually dying - with multiple auto immune diseases - in contstant pain and almost unable to function at all.  On multiple prescriptions.  My neighbor talked me into trying the original Blood type Diet.  

The turn around in my health can only be described as miraculous.  Within 6 months I was virtually pain free and with consultation with my MD doctor was off of all prescriptions!  I now take supplements as needed.

Last year I began having some pain problems again and thought perhaps, since the original BTD was so old and since Dr. D'adamo has continued his research and made incredible progress, perhaps it was time for me to progress also.

I bought the GenoType Book but I didn't fit into any of the genotypes.  So, I decided to do the SWAMI Xpress on line - which "kicked out" an individual diet for my body that is a combination of the Explorer Genotype and the Blood Type Diet, but customized for me personally.

BINGO!  I am back on track now. I know I am just one person, but I have seen the blood type diet perform similar miracles with other people who have actually followed it as written, not "as they felt like it".  

I hope this answers some of your questions.


6 years on ER BTD, went from sick and dying to healthier And 30 pounds slimmer.  

Dec 2013: Started Swami Xpress - I'm 48% Explorer with hybridized Explorer/BTD list. A new adventure for this old lady!  -- LOST 5 more pounds on SWAMI! 
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