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Lola
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if interested in GTD and so into your particular genetic individuality why not get a swami?
tweak it to your hearts content and find out all you want about what is behind every single food listed for your particular physiology!

it can t get anywhere more personal than that!!


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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If the Doctor would like some science then he is welcome to my research regarding my daughter (under 4) and the horrible manual tests that we did, getting it wrong meant that she was in pain for days and her face and other parts would become broken and scarred, I was a couple of months in to testing which foods affected her when I found the book, (a month ago) most things added up and confirmed his theory, and we looked at a lot of different theories, we even mapped all the data and overlaid it, it eventually would show that most theorys worked to a point but then failed, Dr  DAdamos rested very well with them all in parts - When we checked the updated book data, we found that nearly all the bits that didn't fit before,  now fitted - Leeks was one of them. but there were many more.... Its almost annoying that he got the theory before me (albeit i was 15 years late) lol but Im glad he did because my daughter is now cured (took a few weeks), after years of looking for an answer. And the less pain she feels the happier I am.


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That's nice to hear 'policy'...


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You're welcome Dr, seriously!

Incidentally, on a lighter note - If your ever in the UK, let me know.

Also if you ever find a reason to get me back on to White Potatoes, tell me first - I'm still trying to find a way of enjoying sweet Potatoes as some sort of chip ( French Fry), or a way of Roasting them so they don't go mushy - Minor details I know, but there you go.

"There no pleasing some people" - Monty Python Life of Brian

When I finish fine tuning Emily's Diet, which we will take our time with, (Waiting for Secretor test kits). now that she's so much better. I shall concentrate on the recipes as my girlfriend is a super chef! I wonder how a "Blood Type Restaurant" would go down? Vampire's might get the wrong idea and, of course, cross contamination might be an issue.

Thanks again and kind regards John


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John fyi
potatoes are but a tier II avoid, meaning if you re in good health and shape
you might enjoy them occasionally, if following the basic secretor lists in the LRFYT book!!

sweet potato chips are excellent! the thinner you slice them the better if you don t like them mushy......I don t mind them mushy though

Is your daughter an O like you?


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Hi Lola, yes My daughter is an O were are waiting for the blood test and saliva test to find out if were are secretor or not. Only read one book so far but taken the contents and thoroughly studied it all, waiting for next book (in the post together with secretor test kits)

We are pretty healthy, but rapidly getting healthier. When we sort out all the issues we can hopefully have a portion of French fry's once a month or something like that - in olive oil by the look of things (Smile)

My mission today is to find the culprit that caused my daughter face to flare up a bit today, we must have missed something so checking packaging of organic, gluten free oats and rice puffs its one of them or possible are joint reaction to something she had in the last few days we had relaxed ever so slightly just to give her a break after all these months of testing. But back on track now for 6 weeks to get her system cleared of the rubbish. It not even so much worry now that we can pretty well control everything it just that her face takes a few days to clear up as were are not putting any drugs into her at all cortisone etc just Vaseline. All the other creams and lotions that we used to use have way too many chemical in them all of which I have now studied and i wouldnt give them to someone I didnt like let alone my daughter. The pharma companies must have a screw loose or something or are being run by some twit that got no attention at home when they were young so decided to screw with everyones skin. Lol

We also discovered that her so called hand caught salmon had a food colour on it that annoyed her face a bit so still have to do a bit of trial and error.

Kind regards John


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PP, Canned Salmon as odd as this sounds is all wild caught. You can buy it on-line or in the market.

Any fish that has been previously frozen, or farm raised can cause problems in the GI tract.


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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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you might want to get the allergies book from the health series for your daughter to follow......protocols and all taking her age and weight into account.....
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED062H


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Hello John.

It is not surprising that the more specific of Dr. D' Adamo's diet are giving your daughter better results.  There is a limit to how specific the diet can get for her, since some of her epigenetic information will only be evident when she has attained her adult size.  My children (10 and 7) are displaying their epigenetics rather obviously and early.  Still, I only have them loosely adhering to the basic ER4YT - A diet.  The results have been weight loss for him and weight gain for her, and surprisingly little resistance for good measure.

That you have triumphed over some of your daughter's difficulties is gratifying.  I have received considerable help with my own challenges and have been able to build on past victories.

There are a number of people on this board, who have been very exacting with regard to their diets, because they need to be.

Thank you for your posts!


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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Bought the allergies book - very helpful another piece in the jigsaw.

She even had grapefruit this morning for the first time in 3 months - loved it and no reaction.

Although the Sun seems to be an issue again! What's that all about. Think Ill start a new thread about that one.


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I saw firsthand how effective the gatherer genotype diet worked for my fiance'.  She is a gatherer O+ and struggles constantly to keep weight under control.  We are going to the gym a lot more to exercise and by eating the right things for the gatherer, she lost abou 20 pounds.  She was shocked and explained that she never felt hungry while on the diet.

I am an explorer and have benefited in a different way.  I learned that herbs such as ginseng, ginkgo, and st. john's wort were not good for me at all.  I had anxiety and a lot of nervous energy from each of these herbs.  I learned that some things i liked, such as orange juice, were not good either.  I take milk thistle now, and try to limit caffeine and alcohol, where i did not before.  I feel much better.
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those are two very encouraging testimonials!
thanks for sharing, and keep up the wellness!


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Quoted from Dr. D
The bioinformatics part of this whole thing is just about as exciting as the epigenetics (and even maybe more beautiful?)


I'll leave that for you to figure out.   I will stick with the layman's stuff.   This Nomad can never return to eating tomatoes. Not 3 months... not 6 months...not ever. I would never have figured this out on my own.
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Have I missed it somewhere or is there still no typebase food data type area we can look up foods for the GTD?  Maybe Dr D could add the Superfood/Fuel only/Sometimes/Avoid list to the foods already listed in the BTD food database.  
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No list of GenoType foods are currently available on this site.

To my knowledge there is not any plan to include the lists on the site.

The GenoType lists are copyrighted.

Those that would like the list are encouraged to purchase the GenoType Diet book.  


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Those that would like the list are encouraged to purchase the GenoType Diet book.  

Or the paperback version - "Change Your Genetic Destiny"...


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Quoted from C_Sharp

Those that would like the list are encouraged to purchase the GenoType Diet book.  



Or, use Swami.  
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I have the book of the Genotype diet and he says he has tested many foods and to go to the website.  Maybe I've misinterpreted but I took that to mean there was a database we could use.  It would certainly be very useful as one who has been used to the BTD and the resources available.  It's hard to know whether the foods missing are actually missing because they are just fuel or whether they are not tested yet.  If you are not based in the US there are usually foods missing or those that are called different names elsewhere.
anyway you have answered my question
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Quoted from sOphia
...If you are not based in the US there are usually foods missing or those that are called different names elsewhere.
...


If you check the main forum page, you will find there two Sticky threads that a group of us created sometime last year for that same reason (different names in our southern hemisphere) ... 'Research on Food choices for All' and the 'Summary for Research on Food choices for all'  or something on those lines ... check it out ... it gets easier after a while ...  





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SWAMI seems to have many more foods than in the book. I think there are over 225 qualities that he considered in the programming logic for each food.

I think genotypediet.com used to be a paid subscription site, maybe there were food lists there at one point?


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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Quoted from Cristina


If you check the main forum page, you will find there two Sticky threads that a group of us created sometime last year for that same reason (different names in our southern hemisphere) ... 'Research on Food choices for All' and the 'Summary for Research on Food choices for all'  or something on those lines ... check it out ... it gets easier after a while ...  



hello again
would you have a link to either of these, I have done a search on all and part of the phrase and looked at every sticky and can't see anything that looks like it
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thank you, I didn't think to look in there!
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Yellow Doc I want point a few things out. One of my favorite things ever is rewording information. It is too easy to get wrapped up in too much information that is unrewarding in your pursuit to understand all of Dr. D's work. That goes to the point that even he himself can be found attempting different responses that are all useful to the current subject at hand.

Thinks of the GenoType diet not just as a treatment of 6 GenoTypes, but as treating the intestines. Dr. D has talked about this before... A lot of current research shows happy intestines equals health. Well Dr. D has certainly noticed that there are an awful lot of variances on the affects of food on intestines. Let me point out a few things.

-It may be more beneficial to eat a cheese that promotes a healthy environment in the intestines, than to avoid it because on a minor scale it does not play nice with your body - say blood antigen. The worth of it will promote more healing than the harm from it can incur, or it will keep balance in favor more than you will lose.

-Just because something has a vitamin in it does not mean it is healthy for everyone. Lamb is very rich in nutrients but for someone with low IAP (intestinal alkaline phosphate) due to being neutralized by the A antigen it is a burden. Say you eat it and you are a secreter Teacher or Warrior, your body will overwork trying to digest it, you will lack that nutrients, promote a bad environment with lack of digestion, and potentially be introducing saturated fat into your system. To which the same concerns may be had for other things that promote a poor environment due to the interaction they have in the intestines but have properties of nutrients that the "health" community may rave about.

-The uniqueness of Explorers. They often lack seceretrhood. In other words they lack a barrier that protects themselves from the outside world. As Dr. D has mentioned they (nonnies) often let foreign invaders in and then attack. They may not have a choice on that, being nonnies. In this unique situation it is easy to realize nursing the functions that keep the body detoxed from all of the things coming in would be smart jut as keeping out the high level of toxins that perhaps are easily processes by others.

* The sourcing of information is too extensive to have an open book on. The language is difficult and all too often there are ten answers for the same question.

There is a not of siting of information, and it is not that hard to turn up. People say Dr. D's theories are not backed by science that that is a poor play on words from someone avoiding logical deduction that would soon prove they themselves are at a loss for words. For example recommending protein sources based on IAP is one of the biggest components to all of this. Someone questioning Dr. D's recommendations may be able to say that there is no science behind the recommendations but if they had to recommend something there would be no options beyond the simple scope already present. - If they said red meat for less IAP they would insinuating that all medical knowledge that is considered hard backed science is wrong since it knows that you need it for digestion of particular things like saturated fats. The part not backed by science is that soy or fish would be the best recommendation, but aside from that nuts are the only other things that do not require as substantial amount of IAP. Logical deduction would prove Dr. D has found the only answer but there is no clinical study showing it. The study is really unnecessary in large part because there is no other possibilities but none the less language allows the current claim of "no science basis".

That does not even begin to cover the interaction of nutrients once inside the body, talk about dense information.

By the way,

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16412386
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Yellow Doc,
I was actually dying - with multiple auto immune diseases - in contstant pain and almost unable to function at all.  On multiple prescriptions.  My neighbor talked me into trying the original Blood type Diet.  

The turn around in my health can only be described as miraculous.  Within 6 months I was virtually pain free and with consultation with my MD doctor was off of all prescriptions!  I now take supplements as needed.

Last year I began having some pain problems again and thought perhaps, since the original BTD was so old and since Dr. D'adamo has continued his research and made incredible progress, perhaps it was time for me to progress also.

I bought the GenoType Book but I didn't fit into any of the genotypes.  So, I decided to do the SWAMI Xpress on line - which "kicked out" an individual diet for my body that is a combination of the Explorer Genotype and the Blood Type Diet, but customized for me personally.

BINGO!  I am back on track now. I know I am just one person, but I have seen the blood type diet perform similar miracles with other people who have actually followed it as written, not "as they felt like it".  

I hope this answers some of your questions.


6 years on ER BTD, went from sick and dying to healthier And 30 pounds slimmer.  

Dec 2013: Started Swami Xpress - I'm 48% Explorer with hybridized Explorer/BTD list. A new adventure for this old lady!  -- LOST 5 more pounds on SWAMI! 
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