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Carol the Dabbler
Thursday, February 7, 2008, 4:50am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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... you're right, Carol, I didn't address it specifically to him. However, I did hope that he would respond to it so that's why I apologized - somehow I *thought* I had addressed it to him because of my hope!




Maybe he's a mind reader!  



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Maybe we're ALL just stressed out and trying to work these things out in that condition. The give and take in this discussion seems pretty clear to me, and I can easily see why Novelia is confused. On the other hand, if we pick out a single item and stress out over it, Dr. D. would spend all his time to the end of next year trying to keep us in gear. One thing for sure, if he doesn't already have the next book written, he is getting plenty of general ideas about where the rough waters are and how to calm them!  
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I don't understand exactly what is going on here, but it's clearly some sort of misunderstanding.


If it was addressed to the community on a whole, then yes, that lets me off the hook.

However, besides guessing (worse than no answer)  who else would be expected to answer it?



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Okay, I certainly won't be guessing anymore!
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If [the question] was addressed to the community on a whole, then yes, that lets me off the hook.

However, besides guessing (worse than no answer) who else would be expected to answer it?


The person who posts a question presumably does not know the answer.  They may, in fact, have absolutely no idea of how technical the question really is.  For all they know, one of the regular forum members might be able to at least shed some light on it -- after all, regular forum members have been able to do a pretty good job of answering a lot of the questions posted here.

It's kind of analogous to asking the guy at the next desk how he got those funny little scratches on his face, only to have him get all flustered.  It's a very personal question to him, because he knows that he got the scratches from making a hasty exit through the rose bushes under his girlfriend's bedroom window when her husband came home unexpectedly.  But because you had no idea what the answer might be, you had no way of knowing that it was a personal question.

(Not accusing you of romping through the rose bushes, Dr. D!)

You have been generous enough to answer the occasional question here.  So when we post a question, we may hope you'll answer it, but we realize that the decision is entirely up to you.  You've got enough work to do already without feeling "obligated" to participate here.  But any time you'd like to pop in for a change of pace, we'll be real glad to see you!



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for the guy in the rose bush example, Carol. Not to say Dr. D is doing anything like that!

I love it when Dr. D posts to help out. Thank you Dr. D! I also agree that often the members of this forum can answer these kinds of questions, sometimes because they have read more of Dr. D's work than I have or go to his clinic as a patient, etc. That's why I post here, hoping someone will know or direct me to something on this vast site to help

Dr. D's answer to my question is complex, it's true. For all I knew it was the salicyclates in coconut oil (some people have a salicyclate sensitivity and have to follow the FailSafe diet recommendations).

So, in sum, I'm grateful for your reply, Dr. D, and I'm grateful for the replies of other people on the forum whenever I ask questions.
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Seems like a plan.


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I love your explanation Carol.   We just have to keep Dr. D. from running through too many rose bushes, when some of the more experienced forum members can offer an alternative non-scratchy path.


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And what about salicylates in olive oil?
http://www.zipworld.com.au/~ataraxy/Salicylates_list.html

I'm not claiming anything, I just ask.


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I don't like the effects of one of the main constituents (lauric acid) on the cytochrome CYP4A subfamily (CYP4A11) when used by GT4; in particular liver peroxisomal oxidation, which is about the last thing GT4 needs in this world.


Straight from the horses mouth - thank-you, thank-you, thank-you.  I'm always wanting to know the "why's".  Now I know.  When I thought I was a Nomad I had plenty bought the EV-Coconut oil.  Tastes good in cookies but Lord knows I don't need any "liver peroxisomal oxidation" - I'll keep it to make my feet soft!

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Ding dang it al and flibity gibit! My quote thingie didn't work!!
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Never mind Desiree... topical use is fine to me also... and oil pulling after teeth brushing and flossing with peppermint / oregano / lemon oil (sesame oil does it, too)


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I quote myself:

Quoted from Green Root
And what about salicylates in olive oil?
http://www.zipworld.com.au/~ataraxy/Salicylates_list.html

I'm not claiming anything, I just ask.


I know reasons to avoid coconut oil (but what about green coconut water?? ), especially for Explorers, but this salicylate thing cannot be so severe - otherwise the status of olive oil wouldn't be so good. Right?

Is this liver peroxisomal oxidation possible harm to Hunters, too? Or do Hunters have usually a liver with more stamina? At least I don't recognize any harms with my liver when I used to eat coconut oil. Instead, I was thin and didn't gain weight. So I think maybe coconut oil influenced my thyroids...


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you do have a swami, right?

that might be the answer to all your questions, and you wouldn t have to do so much guess work, not leading anywhere, for your lack of molecular biology, which Dr D somehow exceeds in.


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I have never liked coconut.  I tried cooking with the coconut oil pre-GTD era but it made me sick so I stopped.  Just shrugged my shoulders, another thing touted as healthy for all that I couldn’t handle.

A friend of mine who is BT B, but doesn’t know her secretor status & hasn’t done the GTD, recently bought some coconut milk.  Neither Nomads nor Explorers should have the milk.  But coconut oil is a super food for Nomads and an avoid for Explorers.  Coconut meat is a black dot for Nomads and an avoid for Explorers.  Should I advise her against the coconut milk?  She follows the BTD which doesn’t mention coconut at all?


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Which book is she using that doesn't mention coconut? It's listed in the TypeBase as an avoid for everybody except A nonnies.  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?1

Of all the foods I've given up on BTD, coconut milk is probably the only one I really miss. But now that I can have some limited dairy, I dont miss it quite so much. I can't have that coconut milk ice cream, but I can bake a compliant cheesecake.


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Lola, yes I really have. I'll update that to my profile

It just is sometimes hard to 100 % trust to avoid information that could maybe be changed if the quality of the food was better. Although I trust to this theory quite much, there just are many other good sources to food recommendations, too but SWAMI is one of the best alternatives, definitely.


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Quoted from Dr. D
I don't like the effects of one of the main constituents (lauric acid) on the cytochrome CYP4A subfamily (CYP4A11) when used by GT4; in particular liver peroxisomal oxidation, which is about the last thing GT4 needs in this world.

Dr. Enig is a fine lipid chemist, but has a tendency to think coconut oil is just wonderful in everyone.  
In English:
Some people don't do as well as others running a soap through their bile ducts.


Interesting discussion - as a GT3 Teacher -  SWAMI gave me Coconut oil as a beneficial.

I appreciate knowing a little about how it works.   soap through their bile ductsis probably exactly what I need to resolve my intestinal/elimination  problems.

Also  coconut milk and coconut meat are temporary avoids for me ---   I'll get to have coconut macaroons cookies again.

Another grt example of how personal our SWAMI programs are.
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enjoy your coconut oil!

the quote above is specifically for GT4


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