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Novelia
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In the past I spent many months researching coconut oil. Lipids expert Mary Enig, PhD has done extensive research about the positive health benefits of coconut oil and, by contrast, the dangers of trans fatty acids in hydrogenated oils.

Why is it a toxin for Explorers and a Superfood for Teachers? As long as it isn't hydrogenated (how absurd that they used to do that - it's so stable) and from a good source such as

http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/virgin_coconut_oil.htm

why should Explorers avoid it?
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I don't like the effects of one of the main constituents (lauric acid) on the cytochrome CYP4A subfamily (CYP4A11) when used by GT4; in particular liver peroxisomal oxidation, which is about the last thing GT4 needs in this world.

Dr. Enig is a fine lipid chemist, but has a tendency to think coconut oil is just wonderful in everyone.  



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again the 'one size fit all' advertisement of a good thing.
'one man s food......' you know the rest .....
I feel so lucky to be right here, http://www.genotypediet.com/
(at GTD) in the 'eye of the hurricane'!
under Dr D s watchful eye!


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By now, I suppose we all can rest assured that our Dr. D. has not left any stones unturned about these foods we are supposed to be eating. Granted some of us have to be careful about a few things for the time being, but, who knows, soon we may be able to consume things we haven't been able to for years!! As a matter of fact, I am now able to eat real yogurt with NO problems! And, as soon as I get some made, I'm pretty sure I will be able to eat cottage cheese. I'm looking forward to trying grapefruit again - I do love the stuff!!! I've found that the dreaded CARBS (not just any old carb, of course)haven't made me blow up like a balloon. And the MORE dreaded FATS from nuts haven't either. Just the opposite. I'm losig weight at my usual slow pace, which is just fine. I have plenty of patience as long as I AM losing and FEELIING GREAT (the most important, by far) - which I am!!!

I already knew that the medical profession was lacking in many (shall we say MOST) ways before I ever heard of the BTD. But after GTD, it is so clearly evident that they don't have a clue about many things. I think I'm apt to scream the next time I hear or read one of these guys/gals declare there is no scientific evidence that blah, blah some vitamin or other won't benefit blah, blah, blah. You know why? Because these "scientific" studies they do themselves are a complete JOKE. We're all familiar with the huge headlines about this or that "study." Read the last part of the article first and don't waste your time. Right there in plain English a fool can see that the "study" is so messed up they can make whatever declaration they want from it. Wears me out thinking about these idiots. I think I'll have a handful of walnuts!
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I am very grateful to DrD and his research.  I don't explore the various sites which are avilable with the touch of the mouse.
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Spring, glad you are having such good results!!


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Quoted from ruthie
I am very grateful to DrD and his research.  I don't explore the various sites which are avilable with the touch of the mouse.
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The only reason I even look at this stuff is because people ask me about it.  They see the headlines - newspapers, magazines, television, online, etc. - and are so busy they don't have time to try to make sense out of it. They know I don't usually form an opinion too readily about things especially if it is something "new" that I might not know anything about, so they pay attention when I say what I think about it. I want to have valid reasons, etc. So, yes, if it is right in my face as it is their's, I want a good reason to back up what I say about it, if they ask.

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About the coconut oil, it is no strange thing to me, personally, that Warriors should avoid it. I love anything to do with coconut, but it nearly KILLS me! It affects me almost as bad as beef. PLEASE, no coconut for me! And those Girl Scout cookies that have it on them are one of the best cookies I ever ate in my life! I just hope the poor girls stay away from me, mainly because their cookies are always so fresh and tempting, and I love Girl Scouts!  
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Thanks for your reply, Dr. D. I apologize for asking the question here. Because you have popped in a few times to reply to people here, I forgot what it says at the top of the page.

Can anyone explain in simple terms what Dr. D means? What could lauric acid do to Explorers?

I agree that even if a food is nutritious, it may not be the best for everyone.






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Spring, glad you are having such good results!!


Thanks, Lola! I have had far better results than I ever in my wildest expectations thought I would! And this is from someone who had been on the BTD for eight years and seen basically wonderful results from it. I am beginning to understand a little better why there is a possibility for SOME people to take very few supplements, or none at all, and still feel great. I have eaten thousands of meals in my lifetime that only felt like an aggravation to my insides - no change in energy - nothing. Even after taking enzymes and probiotics for years I could barely begin to see a difference. I have always tried to eat what anyone would consider a healthy diet. I spent a fortune on foods that were compliant with the BTD, I used the NAP protein mix, I took thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of vitamins and supplements, many of them from NAP. I had finally gotten to the point of seldom eating out because of reactions to things in food that were impossible to avoid. The only times I ever actually felt any different from taking supplements was when I took ARA Plus, Deflect, Cortiguard, Live Cell, B-12, a multi-B complex and calcium with magnesium and Vitamin D. I would notice a change in the way I felt, but nothing major, by any means. One thing, though, that makes me know that I was doing something right during that time: I was NEVER sick. No infections of any kind. I had aches and pains, but I can't remember the last time I was at a doctor's office for anything except physicals, a tick bite and in 1996 I went because of having some sort of chest pain that they thought had to do with inflammation of the lining of my chest cavity. Two visits for that. But for all that, I just didn't feel really, really good. Now I keep wondering if this is really and truly going to last - but, actually it doesn't - IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER AND BETTER!!!!! Food tastes so good and feels so good inside that I feel as if I am eating dessert all the time! And the thing is, I am dabbling in all kinds of paint that usually drive me crazy, climbing ladders, sanding (dust everywhere, of course) and none of it is bothering me. I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!!  
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excellent!!

this will make Dr D extremely happy!


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From Dr. D.........in particular liver peroxisomal oxidation, which is about the last thing GT4 needs in this world.

Sounds like this stuff predisposes the GT4 liver to that old beastie, CANCER!!!! I could be wrong, of course.
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From Dr. D.........in particular liver peroxisomal oxidation, which is about the last thing GT4 needs in this world.

Sounds like this stuff predisposes the GT4 liver to that old beastie, CANCER!!!! I could be wrong, of course.


Yes, perhaps! Yikes!

I have never done well on coconut oil, but wanted to know what Dr. D thought (and others, too) because some people do REALLY well on it! Oh my, I even did product demos for a  coconut oil company a few years ago! My research was extensive so it was very difficult when I didn't do well on it and had to give it up. But lately I've wondered about it again because sometimes when we're not well we react to things that would be okay if we were in good health. Some of the Explorer foods are very problematic for me so I must avoid them for now. It can be quite confusing!



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In English:

Some people don't do as well as others running a soap through their bile ducts.


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Some people don't do as well as others running a soap through their bile ducts.


! Thank you. How fitting because the last jar I purchased had a horrid soapy taste, something I've encountered from time to time even in supposedly high quality products. I have never done well on anything coconut, but struggled when I learned about the health benefits and basically *wanted* it to be good for me. It hasn't been part of my diet for a long time so I won't miss it.

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This discussion is an example of why I get mixed up.  In old typebase food list coconut oil is avoid for everyone except neutral to O nonnie.  Every time I order vitamins on internet they send ad for coconut oil.  Make it sound great.  I dont buy because Dr D says no no no.  

Now on GTD coconut oil is poisen for all, except super beneficial for Teachers.  Are teachers O nonnie?  No, they are As.  

This may be two diff diets all separate, all new rules.  But if coconut oil is bad on one diet, how can it be good on another.  If avoid for As on one diet, how super beneficial on another?  If ok for O nonnie on one diet, how avoid on another?  

I dont want to get in trouble for asking a question in the wrong place, and coconut is bad for me either way.  But if I was a teacher and an A I would be mixed up.  
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That is confusing about the BTD status of coconut oil. I see that for Hunters and Gatherers coconut oil is a black dot toxin so after 3 months of GTDing it can be consumed occassionally.
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This discussion is an example of why I get mixed up.  In old typebase food list coconut oil is avoid for everyone except neutral to O nonnie.  Every time I order vitamins on internet they send ad for coconut oil.  Make it sound great.  I dont buy because Dr D says no no no.  

Now on GTD coconut oil is poisen for all, except super beneficial for Teachers.  Are teachers O nonnie?  No, they are As.  

This may be two diff diets all separate, all new rules.  But if coconut oil is bad on one diet, how can it be good on another.  If avoid for As on one diet, how super beneficial on another?  If ok for O nonnie on one diet, how avoid on another?  

I dont want to get in trouble for asking a question in the wrong place, and coconut is bad for me either way.  But if I was a teacher and an A I would be mixed up.  


I know that changes in food values is confusing.

But I am grateful to have my diet updated by additional research that considers other factors.

Dr. D. could simplify our lives (and his as well) by never changing food values, but then we would miss the potential health benefits of new information.



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Coconut is an avoid for me on both diets.  I never felt well when I tried it for cooking before I knew.  Just another example of me avoiding something naturally that is not good for me.

There are many people who after their free trial will not pay the fee for the GTD website.  There are also people who will pay for awhile, but not forever.  This site, gratefully, is free; therefore people will frequent it more often.  If some people do not think of all their questions during their time on the GTD website, then where do they go for answers?  We support each other on this forum and appreciate the times Dr. D drops in and answers our questions.  I understand he wants to build up the GTD website and may even have some contractual obligations.  But I dont think it should be prohibited to ask GTD questions here, just not expect Dr. D to answer them.  The forum members can come up with their own theories.  Maybe just some gentle nudging from Dr. D when we stray too far off the correct path.


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Quoted from Dr. D
Please don't ask these types of GTD questions on this forum. The top of the forum says:

A forum for the informal discussion Dr. D'Adamo's newest book. Please note that the official website for The GenoType Diet is http://www.genotypediet.com. Dr. D'Adamo does not respond to posts on this forum.

I'm not finding a forum on that site,
http://www.genotypediet.com  
Am I missing it?  
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I'm not finding a forum on that site,
http://www.genotypediet.com  
Am I missing it?  


Forums are called "Message boards"
on the genotype diet site.

Look in the navigation bar on the left side of the screen after you login.-->You should find a "Message boards" button there.

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One you are are there you will see the threads related to your genotype.

To see threads from other genotypes click on the underlined "Genotype Diet" link.

Or if you like to use the "List Hottest Thread" link here.
Look for "Active Discussions" link in the shortcuts area
at the top left of the pages in the message board section.

"Active Discussions" will show you the threads with recent posts.



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Look in the navigation bar on the left side of the screen after you login


I think the "login" part is the problem.  
http://www.genotypediet.com isn't a freebie site is it?     Isn't it about $260.00 per year?  That's quite a stretch for me.  
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I think the "login" part is the problem.  
http://www.genotypediet.com isn't a freebie site is it?     Isn't it about $260.00 per year?  


That is correct. However, there is some good content there. You may want to check it out for a week before deciding whether or not the cash outlay is worth it for you.

At the back of the Genotype book, their is a coupon (actually a URL) for a week free trial.

I also have a concern with the price, but the last time I went to a doctor for a physical it was around $260. And the only thing I got there was advice that I had too much wax in my ears and I should clean them out more often.

So if the genotype website can save me one doctor's visit a year it will pay for itself. I am not sure how I will know it has saved me a visit. But I have been pondering on how to cost justify my participation on the genotype site.



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Quoted from Novelia
I apologize for asking the question here. Because you have popped in a few times to reply to people here, I forgot what it says at the top of the page.


Quoted from 2374
I dont want to get in trouble for asking a question in the wrong place ....


I don't think we need to pack up and go home just yet.  If Dr. D didn't want us to discuss the GTD here on the BTD web site, he wouldn't have created this nice GTD forum for us.  Novelia, you didn't address your question to Dr. D, you posted it to the forum at large, and as RedLilac put it, we support each other (nicely said, Arlene).  If Dr. D didn't want to pop in and answer the occasional question, then he wouldn't do it.

I don't understand exactly what is going on here, but it's clearly some sort of misunderstanding.


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Yes, in Dr. D's response to me, he wrote:


Please don't ask these types of GTD questions on this forum. The top of the forum says:

  

    A forum for the informal discussion Dr. D'Adamo's newest book. Please note that the official website for The GenoType Diet is http://www.genotypediet.com. Dr. D'Adamo does not respond to posts on this forum.

...

But you're right, Carol, I didn't address it specifically to him. I did hope that he would respond to it because he pops in from time to time. But when I got his  reply, I actually forgot that I hadn't addressed it to him because of his reply, so that's why I apologized. How odd it all is!




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