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TJ
Saturday, February 2, 2008, 3:13pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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This is a Nomad superfood.  But I thought "Walleye" was another name for Pike, not Pickerel!  (See http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?307)  Can somebody clarify?
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Does this help or just make things worse? Especially the 2nd and 4th paragraphs:

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/natbltn/300-399/nb376.htm
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That just makes it worse...

BTD has listings for "Muskellunge", "Pike/Walleye", and "Pickerel".
GTD has listings for "Muskellunge", "Pickerel (walleye)", and "Pike".

According to this article, Muskellunge and Pickerel are types of Pike.  Adding to the confusion, the article says that Walleyed Pike aren't Pike at all, but a kind of Perch!

Not only am I trying to understand what each item on the food lists means, I am now working of a spreadsheet with a single list of all foods listed in both the BTD and the GTD.  Sort of like this:

FoodGroup AA-nonGroup BB-nonGroup ABAB-nonGroup OO-nonHunterGathereretc...
Sardinebeneficial-beneficial-beneficial-neutralbeneficialdiamonddiamond

Edited to correct table code
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How about these (most have got pictures to go with them)?

Esox masquinongy = muskellunge
http://www.fishtheup.com/content.asp?PageName=fishingupfish

Esox lucius = northern pike
http://www.natureserve.org/explorer/servlet/NatureServe?searchName=Esox%20lucius

Sandra vetreus
= walleye
http://www.fishtheup.com/content.asp?PageName=fishingupfish

Maybe this is the one causing the problem? Stizostedion vitreum = walleyed pike
http://www.blacklakeny.com/article011a.html

Esox americanus = grass pickerel
Esox niger  = chain pickerel
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Wow, so many different pike...Thank you for this very detailed information.  Now the trick is figuring out which species go with which description.

To complicate things further, the typebase4 lists "Pike/Walleye" as "SCIENTIFIC NAME: THERAGRA CHALCOGRAMMA".  Searching that name in Wikipedia gives no results, but just searching "theragra" gives pollock and whiting, among others, in the search results.  The more I try to understand this, the more confused I get!  Maybe I should have posted this thread on the typebase board, instead of the GTD board.
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Quoted from TJ

GTD has listings for "Muskellunge", "Pickerel (walleye)", and "Pike".




I would go with this. As far as I know walleye and pickerel are interchangeable.





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This first one has pictures you can click:

Possibly this is causing the additional problem? Theragra chalcogramma = walleye pollock also known as Alaskan pollock
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~frf/rfe2wy.html

Why you could be getting whiting in your search results on Wikipedia:
Please go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiting_%28fish%29_%28disambiguation%29
After the page loads, read what is said in this part: Gadiformes (Cod-like)
notice the first to bullets and the latin name.

Let me know if I've just confused you more and I'll try saying it differently to, hopefully, unconfuse you.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.....rceid=mozilla-search

This is the search page, which includes the one mentioned about whiting.

Ok, in summary, what's getting me is that the GTD entry "Pickerel (walleye)" doesn't make any sense.  Pickerel are a type of Pike, and there is nothing "walleyed" that is a true Pike, so it doesn't make sense to put these terms together.  What is this entry actually referring to, Pickerel, Walleyed "Pike", or Walleyed Pollock?

Likewise, the typebase entry (I did start a separate thread for this here) for "Pike/Walleye" doesn't make sense either, because the scientific name given in the entry doesn't refer to any kind of Pike.
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Yup, that is the exact same search page I got when I checked out what you said you got for results. Notice that the relevance to the search though is only 68%, fairly low in my opinion. Anyway, when you click on that whiting result you get the link I gave you which is a disambiguity (I'm not sure that's really a word) page telling you whiting can be confused for the walleye/Alaskan pollock by some people.

Back to the real issue: my best guesses at this point are you have:
1) just found another piece of typebase errata, most likely a typo
or
2) whomever made the typebase entry was using the common names for their local area. If that is the case, than you may never find a "logical" explanation (if any explanation) for why things are being called the names they are. This is why latin names with photos whenever possible are what I really rely on for identifying items.

I think that my second guess is the most probable, especially considering what shoulderblade said above in reply to you.

Ain't taxonomy grand?!?  
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Quoted from Chanur
Ain't taxonomy grand?!?  


Sure...

Maybe I'll just stop eating fish altogether, hah!  Seriously, the seafood is by far the most confusing, mixed-up, ambiguous part of both diets!
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I won't argue that with you for a second.
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All I know is that walleye is excellent pan fried in ghee with a compliant nut crust.  Mmmmmm!


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