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My husband's GTD tests show he is a Nomad even though he is Blood Type B-. In reviewing his Superfoods he noticed (can I say gleefully?) that beer is a beverage: 1)he can have, 2)that is beneficial to his GenoType,and 3)can be consumed 2-4 times daily...Now I've been telling him for years that beer has contributed to his expanding waistline. Am I way off base? Are we reading the info incorrectly? Anyone? Please advise.
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What?  Nomads stay in one spot long enough to drink 4 beers?  Oh.  Maybe if they drank 4 beers, they would stay in one spot.


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your on base as far as I am concerned
I know from experence that the amount of beer I drank in the past went right to my waist and I gained pounds. quit drinking beer = less belly
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I think the portion/frequency recommendations need to be read with discernment and good judgment.  If I drank even one beer a day, I would be SO fat!  But as a Nomad, I now know that beer is a better choice than wine, so I plan to retrain my thinking for those times that I do want to drink.  I don't think that daily alcohol intake is necessary or a good idea anyway, for the most part.

Moderation can allow your husband to enjoy his beer, but it's not a license to overindulge.  It's all about individuality and self-responsibility.



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I recently restarted drinking beer after 7 years of not drinking anything. I have limited myself to exactly 1 beer a week and will see how it goes.
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My husband's GTD tests show he is a Nomad even though he is Blood Type B-. In reviewing his Superfoods he noticed (can I say gleefully?) that beer is a beverage: 1)he can have, 2)that is beneficial to his GenoType,and 3)can be consumed 2-4 times daily...Now I've been telling him for years that beer has contributed to his expanding waistline. Am I way off base? Are we reading the info incorrectly? Anyone? Please advise.

I don't think the beer is the only beverage in the list, so I expect he would be better to drink a variety of beverages, rather than focus on any one exclusively...

The beer may have been putting weight on, but other avoids may have contributed as well...  I think most of my extra weight was due to red meats and sugar/corn products...  



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The beer I prefer is Guinness.  I figure it has some vitamins and minerals in it.  I can't imagine drinking more than one in a day because it really has body.  It doesn't go down as easily as the lite beers.
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You have all given sound advice. Don't want you to think that Hub is planning on consuming all that beer. We just both found it curious that beer was beneficial since the diamond next to the food indicates that it aids in weight loss... Agree that moderation in all things is wise (except brussel sprouts - I absolutely love them!)
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Here's my two cents worth:
My brother is a blood type B nomad. He not only likes his beer, he makes it (and very good beer, too). It has not made him over-weight. He does not drink it daily, but he does have it regularly. When he does have it, he does not drink it to excess - only a pint. He likes a variety of beverages in addition to his beer. One last thing, and I think this could be a key: he does not ever drink el-cheap-o beers. He drinks what he's made himself or buys premium quality unfiltered beers which actually can have some nutritional value - we are not talking Bud or Miller.
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Yep I tend to prefer mexican beer  or german and emphasize quality over quantity. I despise lite beer. The first one I drank on the GTD was Corona and then I bought a six pack of Shiner Boch, still have 3 left. The first weekend I drank 2 beers one each night. When I weighed the next wednesday I found I had lost 3 pounds over a one week period. I can fluctuate 2 pounds in a day though so that may be a fluke.
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i love beer now... i used to hate it. its definately an acquired taste! as an 18 year old - many times my outings include "social drinking" (obviously) so if im going to drink anything, might as well be beneficial? right!!?? plus i found hard liquer got me way to drunk, way to fast. i havent thrown up in over a year in a half... i no that may sound hilarious to some of u but ask someone else my age when the last time the "over did it a bit" and "threw up" ud be suprised. beer is good because it allows you to control yourself more i find... and also i drink molson canadian cold shots most of the time, which are 6.0% and small, so i dont get so bloated, even though i still do. i no this may sound bad also but i usually drink at least once a weekend... sometimes less if i have midterms/assignments.
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I think I will never go for it, no matter how beneficial it is.  I'm a teetotaler, have been all my adult life.  I've only ever had alcohol a few times when dad thought it was cute to give me beer as a child...and, I'm told, once when I was about 2 yo and mistook a bottle of vodka for a bottle of water.  I bet I was surprised!   Anyway, beer: it tastes awful (I remember from the last time dad encouraged me at age eight), and smells worse.

I can't imagine what the first brewers were thinking: "Gee, Ugg, this new drink didn't come out quite like I expected, but maybe if we keep drinking it anyway, it will start tasting better."  The rest is history!  I always chuckle when people explain that beer is an acquired taste, then I reply, "So the first time you tried it, you thought it was nasty, but you kept drinking it anyway?"

Ok, I'll stop haranguing the imbibers now...
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No problem Drive55. I've allways heard that 1 in 5 people get in serious trouble as a result of alcohol.If there was some way of screening people in advance it would save the world a lot of trouble. For the other 4 though a moderate rate of drinking( say 2 to 5 beers a week no more than 2 in any given night)seems to not be harmfull. One reason people may not like beer initially is the rotten mass produced american beers. Hmmm best not mention any particular brands and avoid law suits. Other people like my southern baptist family have doctrinal issues with it though a carefull reading of scripture basically and loosely translated says "don't be a habitual drunk and don't spend your families food and rent money on booze". Also since alcohol is a depressant, depressed people shouldn't drink in my opinion.
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Yet a few more good reasons why I don't drink GTG.  The most important one (which I didn't mention before) was doctrinal, but I didn't want to come off sounding preachy from the git-go.  I have a family and personal history of depression, and certain of my progenitors had difficulty moderating their alcohol intake, and I might also, if I ever started.  Throw in the candida right now, and beer is just not looking to good for me...

Edit: to say something positive about beer, my father had a heart attack years ago, and drinks a couple of beers now and then, and the Dr. said that they possibly helped him survive because of the blood-thinning effect of the alcohol.
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I always chuckle when people explain that beer is an acquired taste,


'turning up the volume' of those taste bud genes is what it is!! lol

my dad would let me take sips from his beer mug back in the 60s when we lived in Prague.....it was Pilzen alright, and very tasty!!


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Right Lola. Of course several things I like to eat like calf liver, brocolli, spinach, yogurt ect. don't appeal to young taste buds and are taste usually aquired as you mature. Fortunately I don't have any drunks in my ancestors and my interpretation of scripture allows moderate, not to excess beer and wine.
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My 23 yr old Nomad son was thrilled to see beer as a superfood for him.  He told all his friends that this was the diet for him.  As a mother, I feel it is my duty to remind him that the 2-4 servings per day refer to ALL the beverages on the list, not each one individually.  If he wants to lose his beer belly, then he needs to limit the amount of beer he is drinking.  

At least he eats way healthier than I did at his age.


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I think I will never go for it, no matter how beneficial it is.  I'm a teetotaler, have been all my adult life.  I've only ever had alcohol a few times when dad thought it was cute to give me beer as a child...and, I'm told, once when I was about 2 yo and mistook a bottle of vodka for a bottle of water.  I bet I was surprised!   Anyway, beer: it tastes awful (I remember from the last time dad encouraged me at age eight), and smells worse.

I can't imagine what the first brewers were thinking: "Gee, Ugg, this new drink didn't come out quite like I expected, but maybe if we keep drinking it anyway, it will start tasting better."  The rest is history!  I always chuckle when people explain that beer is an acquired taste, then I reply, "So the first time you tried it, you thought it was nasty, but you kept drinking it anyway?"

Ok, I'll stop haranguing the imbibers now...


I'm with you. A family friend let me try his beer when I was around 5...I tried another sip in my mid-20s and that was enough for me. That's the one bad thing about going to hockey games--everyone is drinking beer and the whole arena smells like vomit.

I had a similar experience with cigarettes around the same age but never tried them as an adult. Perhaps if we want to stop children from drinking and smoking, the key is to let them start in preschool or kindergarten!


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I'm with you. A family friend let me try his beer when I was around 5...I tried another sip in my mid-20s and that was enough for me. That's the one bad thing about going to hockey games--everyone is drinking beer and the whole arena smells like vomit.

I had a similar experience with cigarettes around the same age but never tried them as an adult. Perhaps if we want to stop children from drinking and smoking, the key is to let them start in preschool or kindergarten!


Nope wont work.

My Mother tried a cigarette with her girlfriend behind the garage when she was a kid and her older brother caught her.  She never had another cigarette again even though she was married to a heavy smoker.  In fact, none of her siblings smoked and all of their spouses, male & female, did.  My Mother also never drank even though my Father did.

My Mother thought since it worked for her, she would give me one of my Fathers cigarettes at age 12 and I would dislike it so much Id never start smoking.  It backfired.  I enjoyed it so much, that from that time on I would try to sneak a cigarette from my Dad.  I am only trying to stop smoking now because I know it is bad for my health and causes wrinkles.  I still enjoy walking through other peoples smoke.

When my son was a toddler, we went to a bridal shower.  The brides family never drank, so I did not think twice about letting my son drink the punch.  When I couldnt figure out what was wrong with my son because he couldnt walk straight, I found out the grooms side of the family spiked the punch with alcohol.  My son loved that punch.  




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It backfired.  I enjoyed it so much, that from that time on I would try to sneak a cigarette from my Dad.


It seems like most people are seriously turned off by cigs the first time they try them, but there are a few, like yourself, that aren't bothered by it.  Supposedly, that goes for snuff/chew also.
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Cigars give me soar throats.  But I love the tast of good, expensive, beer.  I'm from Wisconsin.  I won't drink the cheap stuff though.  Yuck.

Guiness would be good.  Leinenkugel's makes some wonderful tasting different blends too.  I'm not a real big foster's guy though.

I haven't had a beer in over a year and a half.  But I definitely will now.  But it won't be 3-4 a day.  I think he's misinterpreting.  I drink alot of Tea.  Herbals.  I think the 1 a week suggestion is good.  I may go that route.  Saturday afternoon or something like that.

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ABNoWay, no misinterpretion, beer and wine is under beverages, and it is:
Portion size: 6-8-ounces
Frequency: 2-4 servings a day




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ABNoWay, no misinterpretion, beer and wine is under beverages, and it is:
Portion size: 6-8-ounces
Frequency: 2-4 servings a day



There are more on that list than Beer.  If every other chart shows a diamond superfood, do you zero in on only one food and eat it exclusively?  If that's how you are interpreting it, then go for it.  I think balancing out with the other foods is what I'll do.  


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Like you ABNoWay, I do not take the alcoholic beverages to have the same frequency values as the other beverages.  But that is just my interpretation, of course.

And I am rather fond of my liver, too...  


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Heck I'm a Mormon & don't even drink at all, and even I'VE discovered the delicacy of fine beers!  lol as ironic as that sounds..

We like to drink the O'Doule's (non-alchy beer) once in a while because we want to feel "in" too, right...  but they're disgusting.  But my chef roommate and I cook a lot, and we made a roasted chicken with a bottle of Heineken one time.  We tasted the Heineken to see how it would compare to the O'Doule's, and WOW it was miles above the other stuff.  

I agree, the liver is something you want to take care of.  But I also feel like Dr. D is the 1st person I would trust in regards to taking care of my internals, and he wouldn't lead anyone awry


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I have wondered if the desire to smoke has anything to do with blood type.  It might be worth a poll if anybody wanted to set one up.  See, tobacco is a nightshade.  Some of us do terribly with nightshades and maybe we'd be the ones to get cancer from smoking.  Other people smoke for 50 or 60 years or more and never get cancer.  Makes me wonder if they are type Bs who can handle nightshades just fine.  

My oldest brother used to occasionally go get a beer.  I tagged along once and took a sip of his.  It was disgusting.  I asked him how he could drink that and he said, "Oh, you don't drink it for the flavor, you drink it for the affect."  I was old enough (legally) to drink by that age, but because we didn't drink at all in our house also for doctrinal (which I don't believe any more) and practical reasons (except for Communion at church several times a year), I wasn't going to go behind by father's back and drink, whether for taste or effect.

Unfortunately for my blood type, I really like rum.  Alcohol isn't a depressant for me.  It's a mood elevator and I like it because I need that.  So I limit myself and only keep wine in the house--nothing stronger.  Since I've been raw, I've lost my desire even for wine.


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I used to hate beer when I was a kid.  But it was probably cheap stuff.  It's an acquired taste.  


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Is there any one beer that is suppose to be more beneficial than another for B Nomad?  I like most beers.  (back when I was a concierge I had to try many foods and beverages for recommending). Most brews have their own flavor, body and quality. Talk about true indiviuality and what they are brewed with varies greatly.  

It seems like one size would not fit all.  

It doesn't matter to me which one I incorporate occasionally.  
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Good question!


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There are more on that list than Beer.  If every other chart shows a diamond superfood, do you zero in on only one food and eat it exclusively?  If that's how you are interpreting it, then go for it.  I think balancing out with the other foods is what I'll do.  

Right again AB.We are not small children, to be told what to do in absolute terms for out own safety for instance; the old commonsense rule, mixed with individuality applies at all times.




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Well, I can't say as there haven't been days where I wouldn't have minded drinking 4-5 beers.  Hehehehhahahahha    But, I think I'll err on the side of conservative on this issue.  


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I have wondered if the desire to smoke has anything to do with blood type.  It might be worth a poll if anybody wanted to set one up.  See, tobacco is a nightshade.  Some of us do terribly with nightshades and maybe we'd be the ones to get cancer from smoking.  Other people smoke for 50 or 60 years or more and never get cancer.  Makes me wonder if they are type Bs who can handle nightshades just fine.  


Type B friends in Greece, Cyprus, Romania, India and immediate family members who had a long life span were smokers as well. Most of them died of old age around 90+

Type O's & Type A's on the other hand had serious health issues involving the lungs and heart. Some of them quit smoking and their health improved. Some of them just wouldnt quit, and ...

It was an informal info gathering I did 2 years ago.

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How about ABs & smoking? My AB aunt is 95 & smoked quite a bit. My A mother, who also smoked(but less), died at 55 & smoking must have been a factor as well as her love of beef.
I've repeated this info before, but it is amazing how many questions the BTD & GTD answer!!


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They all probably had few SNP's (singular nucleotide polymorphism) or snips, as they are referred to... Or perhaps just all the "good" ones.

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...Variations in the DNA sequences of humans can affect how humans develop diseases and respond to pathogens, chemicals, drugs, vaccines, and other agents...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_nucleotide_polymorphism

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I used to smoke and drink a lot, but when I was in my early 20's I could already tell it was taking it's toll on my body.  Thank God he intervened and help turn my life around and I quit those things.  I still would drink alcohol after that after a while, but I never had more than one at a time.  No more abusing and trying to drink my troubles away.


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And the cigarettes just used to make my lungs burn after getting out of a hot shower.  Kind of scary.


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Type B friends ....... died of old age around 90+

Type O's & Type A's on the other hand ............just wouldnt quit.




Ha.  I thought so.  Thank you for confirming (unofficially and unscientifically, of course).  Very interesting.  I always kind of thought that all plants were given to us for a reason (but not poison ivy, my very allergic husband reminds me).  Now I'm completely against smoking only because it's disgusting (meaning, smells bad) and gives some people cancer.  However, it must in some way have some beneficial property for us.  My opinion only.  I think the same thing about currently illegal "drugs" made naturally from plants (as in, not distilled down or turned into whatever).  These things are for our use, our health, our enjoyment, etc., within reasonable bounds.  Has anybody ever smoked tobacco made naturally, directly from the plant, with no extra nicotine added?  Does it stink like cigs, or is it like pipe smoke (which to me smells wonderful)?  Do people get cancer from smoking natural tobacco?



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it is dragging it into your lungs that is the problem.
perhaps chewing tobacco is a better choice.


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Do you think astrology could have something to do with smoking? I'm a Taurus but I'm also a fire monkey.  I smoked.  I quit 20 years ago.

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My A mother, who also smoked(but less), died at 55 & smoking must have been a factor as well as her love of beef.


My sister is 54, she just quit smoking last month and she loves red meat.    I hope genes have more to do with longevity on the pro side with her..
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[quote=ABNoWay]  But I love the tast of good, expensive, beer.  I'm from Wisconsin.  I won't drink the cheap stuff though.  Yuck.

Guiness would be good.  Leinenkugel's makes some wonderful tasting different blends too.  I'm not a real big foster's guy though.
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Hee-hee.  In my neck of the woods, they would call this a redundant statement, you cheeseheads and your beer.        Leinies is a nice local brew - love that you drink locally!  My company was started in Chippewa Falls, Leinenkugel's and Cray are the 'only' employer's there.  (Hi from your neighbor to the West).


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My son likes beer.  He tries to find local, natural or organic if he can.  I hate the taste of beer, always have.  I like white wine and rum.  We both smoke and try to quit.  Ive quit numerous times.  He smokes way less than I ever did.  My AB- Father had lung cancer.  Youd think being a witness to that would have stopped us smoking.  Now Im addicted to nicorette gum.  Im also addicted to caffeine.  My son is trying to stop smoking now.  He went 2 weeks without a cigarette then went drinking with his friends and bummed.  I think he will make it to the total quitting stage some day, but me, Ill stick with my gum.  I hope you guys are correct about Bs.


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[quote=ABNoWay]  But I love the tast of good, expensive, beer.  I'm from Wisconsin.  I won't drink the cheap stuff though.  Yuck.

Guiness would be good.  Leinenkugel's makes some wonderful tasting different blends too.  I'm not a real big foster's guy though.
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Hee-hee.  In my neck of the woods, they would call this a redundant statement, you cheeseheads and your beer.        Leinies is a nice local brew - love that you drink locally!  My company was started in Chippewa Falls, Leinenkugel's and Cray are the 'only' employer's there.  (Hi from your neighbor to the West).


Hey, I resemble that remark.  Hehehha hahaha.  Hello from the EAST!!!  My lake is bigger than your 10000000000000000's.  Just kidding.  


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rum


I'd rather have rum than anything else.  I think I have a rum deficiency.


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Lush.  


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Oh, one or two glasses of wine a week and a shot of rum every six months is hardly lush-ous.


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I'm just teasing!


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I have one entire side of my family that are Bs. It's always one big party and anything goes with the substance use/abuse.  Like Cher says "gypsies, tramps & theives".  

The Bs just keep living their lives like nothing happened, never getting sick, but the O & A hangers on take a beating.  This is what I've noticed.  

The BTD info has showed me this observation so clearly and made me wonder why I was always the "white sheep" of the family.  I refrained from everything except the occasional drink.  Still do.

Taurus-Self Preservation-ruled by Venus (Beauty)-Too Vain & I prefer the ounce of prevention rather than the pound of cure.

There is one other B who is just like me on this side of the family and she was born on the same exact day as me  .  She refrains from all of the partying antics.  We are often compared.    
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Guiness, yep something good...I prefered  Murphys *Irish stout*



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Ribbit: Is that wine good for milk production? A little alcohol is supposed to help. That's what you can tell all your ><>y friends.

RL: Congrats on switching to the gum. I know that smoking is hard to quit.  My husband saw his dad smoking a lot & didn't want to be like that, but he smoked from age 21 to 30! Then he had trouble breathing or something like that & quit. He chewed regular gum for a while after that when I got to know him. That was ages ago as he is now 67!

ABNW: How wonderful to get off the bad habits. It's tough, but you had divine help!

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Here's a new question for Nomads: What do you think about hard apple cider? Beneficial? Neutral? Avoid? I found some on sale today while shopping for a new 6 pack. I'd never had it so I picked up a test pack.
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think ACV is fine for your GT and so is beer and its alcohol content.....so I d vote for yes!


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Hi GCG,

I tried hard apple cider about 10 years ago. It became my drink for the weekends. I forgot the name but it was in a green bottle and very full bodied and very good.

Unfortunately I became very "full bodied" after and gained about 10 lbs. . So, I had to cut back and start exercising. I think the weight gain is different for men/women.  I had other weight gaining habits going on at that time too, so it wasn't exclusively the drink.

I haven't had any in a long time. Please let us know how it works out after a week or so.  
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More thoughts on beer.  So... when we started this thread about 1.5 month ago was when I started to crack open the Genotype Diet book and give 'er a look.  

I haven't really wanted to because I've been doing so well on the BTD that I didn't want to mess myself up.  But then I noticed beer as a diamond! !

No but seriously, at that time I did decide to cut out all other alchohol(a margarita or lemon-drop martini) or wine and only drink a beer with lime when socializing.  

I should add that I am not a drinker per se. I've seen the damage of alcoholism like others have posted in this thread probably more than anyone I know. It really is a degree thing and an individual decision making process you must go through. You must have control over yourself and set boundaries when dealing with alcoholic beverages.

Also, I am only elaborating on beer or wine as opposed to any other Nomad beverage because they have the added alcohol & age limitation component which makes them more socially complicated.  

So having said that... I can report that beer was pretty neutral for me over the course of say 1 month of drinking 2 beers with lime per week. I haven't noticed any weight loss or gain, nor any health benefits/deficits.

I do not have any other factors to consider either like smoking or drug use (illegal or prescription). The only consumption that I have to consider is a pretty compliant BTD and nightly magnesium 200mg.  

I do notice ill health after any liquor or white wine. (headaches)  I am going to cut them out completely from now on.  Socially I will only be having a beer with lime or a glass of red wine, if I choose to drink alcohol.  

side note: I notice increased energy after drinking red wine. I usually have to exercise after say...1/4 of a glass of red wine.  I drink it out of a red wine glass and only pour 1/2 of a glass.  I had to pour some out last time because 1/2 of a glass was too much.  

My beer recommendations (all with lime/juice):
1st: Dos Equis (green label)
2nd: Sol
3rd: Corona    

My red wine recommendations:
1st: Meritus Cabernet Sauvignon (expensive)-Texas
2nd: Smoking Loon Cabernet Sauvignon (affordable)-California
3rd: Redwood Creek Cabernet Sauvignon (affordable)-California

My beer recommendations may change as I learn more about brewing and the ingredients added to the many different beers. I am going to look for books about beer brewing at the library and start reading them this summer.  So I will continue to add information as I get it.  
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I used to get the mexican death (bad stomach aches and cramps the next morning) from drinking those beers, but man I loved them.


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Hi ABnoway,

I wonder if that is a difference between B/AB?  yeah..many of the avoids on the Nomad list do really good for me too.  So it looks like there is some tweaking for all types.  
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hope my death isn t as 'Mexican' as me, whenever!!!


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Lola,
you are too funny!  Maybe AB was referring to Montezuma's revenge.
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I'm sorry for using a somewhat racial slurr.  It is not meant to be derrogatorry to people that live in Mexico.  We just called it that from drinking too much mexican beers.  It usually did it to me though whenever I drank mostly corona's.  Too many.  But man they taste really good!!!

And Lola, if I was your husband, I would lock your daughter up and throw away the key until she's about 40.  You must have boys calling your home all the time.    When they come over, hopefully your husband has a nice gun collection to show them.  

Like mother like daughter.


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Stephanie!
my daughter s whole name is Paola Stephania!
yes, I know what you meant by the comment AB....was just kidding around

Paola takes pretty good care of herself!
like I said before, she s an old soul, guess she had been around in other lives.

it s the women in her path who give her a hard time, or at least try!!
but she s a tough cookie!


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Good.  On all points.


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Yeah Lola & AB,

You said it. Is your daughter around my age?  I can relate to all points posted above.  
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she s only 22!!

I bet your mom is around my age then, right?

childbearing was last on my list!


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29's not that old to have a kid.  I was 28 I believe when I had my first and 30 when I had my second.  At the time I still felt pretty darn young.  I was a pretty immature 18-22 year old though.  It was good that I didn't have them young.  Now my Mom was 19 when she had my sister and 21 when she had me.  DANG!


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I see you are a man!!! lol

you can have kids any time!!


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Oh yeah, I forgot that little tidbit.  Hehehheehhehehe  But Lola, I know we don't go through what you go through, but it aint easy on us either.  I'm usually a nervous wreck and I get really really worried about something going wrong.  It's very stressful to me.  I'm usually totally mentally wiped out after it happens, and to be honest, I don't think I could make it through a delivery right now the way I feel.  I think I'd pass out.  It didn't help that both of ours we had to leave in the middle of the night too and wasnt' born until the next day.  The first one was like ALL next day and the next one was quicker.  But still grueling.


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I don't think I could make it through a delivery right now the way I feel. I think I'd pass out.


watch more TV!!  


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33% Nomad, calories calories!!!!!!
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During the Delivery?  My wife had been too busy squeezing every once of blood out of my hand.  And I'd have to keep telling her to breathe!!!!!!  That poor gal.


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I think it's better for the kids & parents to get kiddies earlier than 30 years old...why ...so they can grow together  

here we can observe that parents become older and older just for their first child...hmmm I don't think that this is a good option....btw...ok I agree, my mother got her first child at 17 and then I'll lurked around at her 18th's year.....that's a bit toooooo young...
huh   .......

hmm I don't think that my B Rh- mum loved beer that much...merely white wine....so do I prefere the irish stout...dry medicine-like in taste....but not tooooo often  


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During the Delivery?


nahhhhhhhh, before conception!!


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she s only 22!!

I bet your mom is around my age then, right?

childbearing was last on my list!



I just saw this, Lola.  Yeah my mother is about your age. Motherhood was #1 on her list. Still is.  She is an O my dad a B.  

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ha ha, good one Lola!
Listen you lucky B's....good beer is awesome! I cannot drink it, I balloon up, but I have one  about once a year whether I need it or not......yummm.
I enjoy most liquor, but definitely try to avoid margaritas,they are made with corn syrup, (in some cases)....or just too much sugar. I love good bourbon, but it is not good for you, I like brandy, calvados (apple brandy), vodka, etc.
HOWEVER.........only beer and wine are authorized by Dr. D.
DH makes wine, and very good wine, too......I have learned to be mindful in my use of these powerful substances, and I don't use any other drugs.
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